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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Masha on July 20, 2009, 07:51:18 AM
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Regarding the question for Ask JTF: let's not idealize Gypsies. They live by crime. Stealing, swindle, drug dealing, murder for hire. Different clans specialize in different crimes. The honest Gypsies are those who have left their Gypsy-ties behind. Gypsies are very rich today, because of the corrupt governments who don't enforce law and just slap them ob the wrist if they even bother to arrest them. They are rich, but they have no taste.
These interiors of Gypsy apartments were published on the Russian Internet. For those who can read Russian, you will see some angry comments: "this is all drug money."
http://alex-hedin.livejournal.com/56535.html
For example: :::D
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3511/alex-hedin.2e/0_f78f_49f4c869_XL)
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3513/alex-hedin.2e/0_f791_8ae428c5_XL)
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Astonishing bad taste. :::D
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Astonishing bad taste. :::D
Look at the rest of the pictures going to the link I gave. :::D
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Some more:
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3509/alex-hedin.2e/0_f79c_db11cc5c_XL)
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3509/alex-hedin.2e/0_f79f_5a15c48f_XL)
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Astonishing bad taste. :::D
Look at the rest of the pictures going to the link I gave. :::D
I have already. ;D
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They probably think: the brighter, the better :)
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Also, look at all these sofas lining the wall in the second picture! :::D It's for all the clan members to sit around the room.
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In Ireland you see them actually begging at traffic lights. When the cars stop they have their plastic cup asking for money, or you have young males and females waiting for the cars to stop, then they wash your car without you asking and expect payment (I always find it amusing when people just drive off :::D). Then you see them going around the city centre holding their infants in their arms outside churches or just walking around the streets begging for money with their gold teeth. Also they steal from shops and your pockets, handbags etc. I also heard they wait for someone alone at a bank machine and two goes up from either side pressing buttons to distract you and steal your money >:(. It also makes me sick that they get nice houses in nice areas for free because they complain about racism in poor areas.
We have Irish travellers and even though there is some hates towards them too the stupid Romanian Gypsies are the scum of the earth.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
Most are from Romania so I guess they speak Romanay
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That whole house is too bright and flashy! It would hurt my eyes to live in something like that!
And the dollar sign! I agree with Ulli, they have horrible taste.
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And the dollar sign!
Really! :::D
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I'd get dizzy living in such a distasteful 'house'
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The Gypsies are now complaining in Canada.
As of recently, the Canadian government decided that visitors from Czech and Mexico would have to start showing Visas to enter the country.
This is because MExicans ans Czech Gypsies have come into the country in huge numbers and then once they are in they demand refugee status.
Now that the government passed these laws, the Gypsy organizations are crying racism.
Gypsies live by crime and for the most part they are scum. A friend of mine had a gypsy family of over 20 people as his neighbours and they were criminalistic, and expecially filthy people.
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Very bad post Masha. You completely misrepresent the Roma people (are you sure these pictured are of Roma and not Tatars ?). They are the poorest population in Europe. Many of them live in caravan camps, under 3rd world conditions. It is true that all sort of crime is wildly practiced by many of them.
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Gypsies are killing and raping people in Hungary and in Eastern Europe. They steal from cemeteries. Check out the Eastern Europe - Good bye topic. They are very very big animals.
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Very bad post Masha. You completely misrepresent the Roma people (are you sure these pictured are of Roma and not Tatars ?). They are the poorest population in Europe. Many of them live in caravan camps, under 3rd world conditions. It is true that all sort of crime is wildly practiced by many of them.
I come from the area of Ukraine that was full of Gypsies. I am very well familiar with them - their looks and their ways.
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By the way, these people look nothing like Tatars. Tatars are an entirely different ethnic group which is Turkic (not Turkish). Gypsies came from teh Indian subcontinent. Tatars are not as dark. They don't dress like this. Until recently, they were completely assimilated "cultural" muslims. Now even they are being radicalized, which is very sad.
Gypsies are very rich right now with their fingers in all the pies, crime-wise. They pretend to be poor in order to beg. Professional begging is another of their occupations. Just because Hitler killed Gypsies together with Jews doesn't mean that Jews should align themselves with the Gypsies. There is nothing in common between the two groups whatsoever. Jews owe no loyalty to the Gypsies.
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By the way, these people look nothing like Tatars. Tatars are an entirely different ethnic group which is Turkic (not Turkish). Gypsies came from teh Indian subcontinent. Tatars are not as dark. They don't dress like this. Until recently, they were completely assimilated "cultural" muslims. Now even they are being radicalized, which is very sad.
Gypsies are very rich right now with their fingers in all the pies, crime-wise. They pretend to be poor in order to beg. Professional begging is another of their occupations. Just because Hitler killed Gypsies together with Jews doesn't mean that Jews should align themselves with the Gypsies. There is nothing in common between the two groups whatsoever. Jews owe no loyalty to the Gypsies.
I am not suggesting we align with them. But come on, you think begging and pick pocketing and other forms of petty crime can get the gypsies filthy rich ? I have repeatedly read about gypsies in eastern Europe, and more recently in Italy where they migrate now as EU citizens. There are shabby camps where you can see children playing naked in the mud and receive no education. They have limited access to water. They are scorn by the local population and are excluded from society. May be it is their own fault, but they are in a bad situation, and they are not flooded with money.
You are referring to the Roma in the Ukraine of whom I have not read, but the situation must be similar. A few photos of rich (and tasteless) Gypsies do not attest the real situation.
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From what I have read, Roma are descended from Hindu peoples. I am no expert on this though, and may be mistaken.
I do think this thread is in pretty bad taste though. Remember the Nazis killed Roma too, and the WN and Neo Nazis hate them almost as much as they hate us.
Would I want to walk alone through a Roma neighborhood with very high crime rates, no of course not...but I don't think we should be on here insulting them the way the Nazis do.
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From what I have read, Roma are descended from Hindu peoples. I am no expert on this though, and may be mistaken.
I do think this thread is in pretty bad taste though. Remember the Nazis killed Roma too, and the WN and Neo Nazis hate them almost as much as they hate us.
Would I want to walk alone through a Roma neighborhood with very high crime rates, no of course not...but I don't think we should be on here insulting them the way the Nazis do.
Not much Roma died during the holocaust.
1. They are all criminals (95%of them)
2. They robbed the synagogue of Veszprém (in Hungary).
3. They killed a teacher in front of his daughters.
4. They killed the famous Marian Cozma Romanian handball player, because he wanted protect a waitress lady.
As I said check out the Eastern Europe good bye topic in Save Europe forum.
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From what I have read, Roma are descended from Hindu peoples. I am no expert on this though, and may be mistaken.
I do think this thread is in pretty bad taste though. Remember the Nazis killed Roma too, and the WN and Neo Nazis hate them almost as much as they hate us.
Would I want to walk alone through a Roma neighborhood with very high crime rates, no of course not...but I don't think we should be on here insulting them the way the Nazis do.
I think it is no insult to state the fact, that they have bad taste. It is simply a fact. Once I had a very ugly long case clock. I offered it to several people, but nobody wants to buy it.
The first gipsy girl who saw it loved it and bought it right away.
I personally know some Gipsies and they are nice people. But their taste is, if it comes to asseccioires and fitments, terrible.
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We should not define ourselves by whom we hate. I have stated several times it is my belief that Jews are best when we bless instead of curse others. I have found that my Romanian co-workers are all very good and smart people. I have no complaint with Romanians...
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We should not define ourselves by whom we hate. I have stated several times it is my belief that Jews are best when we bless instead of curse others. I have found that my Romanian co-workers are all very good and smart people. I have no complaint with Romanians...
Hey brother, Romanians are different from the Roma people. :P
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From what I have read, Roma are descended from Hindu peoples. I am no expert on this though, and may be mistaken.
I do think this thread is in pretty bad taste though. Remember the Nazis killed Roma too, and the WN and Neo Nazis hate them almost as much as they hate us.
Would I want to walk alone through a Roma neighborhood with very high crime rates, no of course not...but I don't think we should be on here insulting them the way the Nazis do.
I think it is no insult to state the fact, that they have bad taste. It is simply a fact. Once I had a very ugly long case clock. I offered it to several people, but nobody wants to buy it.
The first gipsy girl who saw it loved it and bought it right away.
I personally know some Gipsies and they are nice people. But their taste is, if it comes to asseccioires and fitments, terrible.
No I agree with you. Nothing wrong with joking around about their taste or interior decorating lol. Nothing wrong with stating facts either, re: their well-documented propensity towards crime and violence.
I just hate to see it veer towards racial talk just like with all the threads on here about Blacks. I can't help but think that we as Jews should be more sensitive towards this, considering the racial/ethnic discrimination we have endured as a people.
I also think muman is spot on re: bless instead of curse. Do unto others ya know...
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In Ireland you see them actually begging at traffic lights. When the cars stop they have their plastic cup asking for money, or you have young males and females waiting for the cars to stop, then they wash your car without you asking and expect payment (I always find it amusing when people just drive off :::D). Then you see them going around the city centre holding their infants in their arms outside churches or just walking around the streets begging for money with their gold teeth. Also they steal from shops and your pockets, handbags etc. I also heard they wait for someone alone at a bank machine and two goes up from either side pressing buttons to distract you and steal your money >:(. It also makes me sick that they get nice houses in nice areas for free because they complain about racism in poor areas.
We have Irish travellers and even though there is some hates towards them too the stupid Romanian Gypsies are the scum of the earth.
WHOA WHOA WHOA, Romanians are NOT Gypsies, and Gypsies are not Romanian!
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
Most are from Romania so I guess they speak Romanay
No they are not, they are from India, they came here as traders and attempted to mix with the local populations and it ended up a horrible mess.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
Most are from Romania so I guess they speak Romanay
No they are not, they are from India, they came here as traders and attempted to mix with the local populations and it ended up a horrible mess.
He meant the gypsies in Ireland came from Romania (but the gypsy "people" belongs to India and North-Pakistan). Romanians are latin people and not gypsies. Gypsies are criminals.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
They are wanderers. They are from Hungary and Romania
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
Most are from Romania so I guess they speak Romanay
No they are not, they are from India, they came here as traders and attempted to mix with the local populations and it ended up a horrible mess.
He meant the gypsies in Ireland came from Romania (but the gypsy "people" belongs to India and North-Pakistan). Romanians are latin people and not gypsies. Gypsies are criminals.
Yes, but it's annoying because Gypsies call themselves "Roma" so people think that the Gypsies are descendants of Romanians. Gypsies are the reason Romania is so corrupt and having all kinds of poverty issues. Anytime I tell someone of my Romanian background, they assume I have Gypsy blood when I have none. I have Thracian background which Romanians descend from. The Albanians claim this too, but they are liars.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
They are wanderers. They are from Hungary and Romania
Paulette, they are not from Hungary and Romania, they do not descend from there. They are like a black in America, they have no ethnic tie to this land.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
They are wanderers. They are from Hungary and Romania
Paulette, they are not from Hungary and Romania, they do not descend from there. They are like a black in America, they have no ethnic tie to this land.
Exactly. Gypsies (criminal bastards) are the biggest minority of Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary, Czech Republic) etc...
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Gypsies are Roma and are unfortunate ancient Indian warriors from Haryana, Punjab and Sindh, who fought valiantly against the global muslamic Jihad.
When Tatar Taimurlain invaded India, the Roma were too aggrieved and they requested their conventional Kings to attack against the invaders. But the kings refused saying that their conventional religion teaches them only to defend and not to go for attack.
The desperate Roma build a huge peoples army and elected their own leader and moved west to take the revenge upon the root city of Makhha. Like Ghengiz Khan{a Budhhist} they destroyed all the muslamic cities on the way and reached up to Syria. There they should have moved to south, but were misguided and told that the center of Jihad lies in north at Tatarstan. So they attacked Tatarstan and erased it from the history. Then they themselves were lost in to the valleys of East Europe etc.
Since the Roma people were actually proletariat and they had lost all links with their motherland, so with the advent of time they unfortunately degenerated in to lumpen proletariat.
Anyhow the real and revealing DNA and genetic studies have a lot so say about the Roma, the Indians and the Europeans combined together, but such genuine studies get removed by the Natsi and Eurocommunist influences at the first opportunity.
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http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,34097.0.html
check out...
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Gypsies are Roma and are unfortunate ancient Indian warriors from Haryana, Punjab and Sindh, who fought valiantly against the global muslamic Jihad.
When Tatar Taimurlain invaded India, the Roma were too aggrieved and they requested their conventional Kings to attack against the invaders. But the kings refused saying that their conventional religion teaches them only to defend and not to go for attack.
The desperate Roma build a huge peoples army and elected their own leader and moved west to take the revenge upon the root city of Makhha. Like Ghengiz Khan{a Budhhist} they destroyed all the muslamic cities on the way and reached up to Syria. There they should have moved to south, but were misguided and told that the center of Jihad lies in north at Tatarstan. So they attacked Tatarstan and erased it from the history. Then they themselves were lost in to the valleys of East Europe etc.
Since the Roma people were actually proletariat and they had lost all links with their motherland, so with the advent of time they unfortunately degenerated in to lumpen proletariat.
Anyhow the real and revealing DNA and genetic studies have a lot so say about the Roma, the Indians and the Europeans combined together, but such genuine studies get removed by the Natsi and Eurocommunist influences at the first opportunity.
They were not warriors...but I have a quote from the 15 th, and there are a short writings about minorities of Hungary, for example Slavs, Romanians etc, and all have positive comment, except gypsies (robbers, and lazies)
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Here's a comparison
Gypsies:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Roma_personalities.JPG/800px-Roma_personalities.JPG)
Romanians
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Roumanians.png)
Hungarians
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Hng2_2.jpg)
Huge difference.
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In Romania Gypsies killed a famous football player a few days ago, did you hear it White Israelite?
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In Romania Gypsies killed a famous football player a few days ago, did you hear it White Israelite?
Yes I did.
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Gypsies are Roma and are unfortunate ancient Indian warriors from Haryana, Punjab and Sindh, who fought valiantly against the global muslamic Jihad.
When Tatar Taimurlain invaded India, the Roma were too aggrieved and they requested their conventional Kings to attack against the invaders. But the kings refused saying that their conventional religion teaches them only to defend and not to go for attack.
The desperate Roma build a huge peoples army and elected their own leader and moved west to take the revenge upon the root city of Makhha. Like Ghengiz Khan{a Budhhist} they destroyed all the muslamic cities on the way and reached up to Syria. There they should have moved to south, but were misguided and told that the center of Jihad lies in north at Tatarstan. So they attacked Tatarstan and erased it from the history. Then they themselves were lost in to the valleys of East Europe etc.
Since the Roma people were actually proletariat and they had lost all links with their motherland, so with the advent of time they unfortunately degenerated in to lumpen proletariat.
Anyhow the real and revealing DNA and genetic studies have a lot so say about the Roma, the Indians and the Europeans combined together, but such genuine studies get removed by the Natsi and Eurocommunist influences at the first opportunity.
They were not warriors...but I have a quote from the 15 th, and there are a short writings about minorities of Hungary, for example Slavs, Romanians etc, and all have positive comment, except gypsies (robbers, and lazies)
Yes, they were not conventional warriors, they were proletariat who raised their own army and enlisted themselves to fight against muslamic Jihad. In muslamic parlance, their invasion is referred as "black typhoon" in a hushed up tone as the invasion of Ghengiz is referred as "yellow typhoon" .
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I am anxious and curious to hear the boards Indian and/or Hindu member(s) views on the Roma.
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Come on guys, the Roma can't possibly be the worst lowlifes in Europe. Albanians and Tamils are much, much scummier and filthier than the Roma. It's not even a contest.
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Yes, but it's annoying because Gypsies call themselves "Roma" so people think that the Gypsies are descendants of Romanians. Gypsies are the reason Romania is so corrupt and having all kinds of poverty issues. Anytime I tell someone of my Romanian background, they assume I have Gypsy blood when I have none. I have Thracian background which Romanians descend from. The Albanians claim this too, but they are liars.
Unlike the Albanian and Dravidian scum, the Roma do at least have some legitimate history and heritage. They may not be a "great" people today but I don't think they merit our hate. Running mafias, raping in the streets, drug dealing, extortion, protection rackets, etc. are the kinds of things Albanian, Tamil, and other Islamonazi filth does. I really, really don't think the Roma are on a par with the Albanian mob.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scus9teTdjo
Spanish Gypsy Flamenco Song and Dancing
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Here's a comparison
Gypsies:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Roma_personalities.JPG/800px-Roma_personalities.JPG)
Romanians
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Roumanians.png)
Hungarians
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Hng2_2.jpg)
Huge difference.
The fact that the Roma are not truly Caucasian doesn't prove that they are evil, in and of itself...
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Yes, but it's annoying because Gypsies call themselves "Roma" so people think that the Gypsies are descendants of Romanians. Gypsies are the reason Romania is so corrupt and having all kinds of poverty issues. Anytime I tell someone of my Romanian background, they assume I have Gypsy blood when I have none. I have Thracian background which Romanians descend from. The Albanians claim this too, but they are liars.
Unlike the Albanian and Dravidian scum, the Roma do at least have some legitimate history and heritage. They may not be a "great" people today but I don't think they merit our hate. Running mafias, raping in the streets, drug dealing, extortion, protection rackets, etc. are the kinds of things Albanian, Tamil, and other Islamonazi filth does. I really, really don't think the Roma are on a par with the Albanian mob.
Then you are not familiar with the Roma ways, they are responsible for much of the crime/murder/stealing in Europe. They are also known to kidnap white children and sell them as sex slaves in various eastern block countries.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
Most are from Romania so I guess they speak Romanay
No they are not, they are from India, they came here as traders and attempted to mix with the local populations and it ended up a horrible mess.
He meant the gypsies in Ireland came from Romania (but the gypsy "people" belongs to India and North-Pakistan). Romanians are latin people and not gypsies. Gypsies are criminals.
Yes, but it's annoying because Gypsies call themselves "Roma" so people think that the Gypsies are descendants of Romanians. Gypsies are the reason Romania is so corrupt and having all kinds of poverty issues. Anytime I tell someone of my Romanian background, they assume I have Gypsy blood when I have none. I have Thracian background which Romanians descend from. The Albanians claim this too, but they are liars.
I agree that Roma is a misleading name, just as the name Gypsie which means Egyptian. The Gypsies used to claim they are Egyptian Christians fleeing from quranimals. However, you can't blame them for everything that is wrong in Romania. BTW, I also have family there.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy
8) 8) 8)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=gypsy+origin+india&btnG=Google+Search
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Then you are not familiar with the Roma ways, they are responsible for much of the crime/murder/stealing in Europe. They are also known to kidnap white children and sell them as sex slaves in various eastern block countries.
I'd bet good money that the Roma are getting mixed up quite a bit with Albanians, Tamils, Turks, and other invading Koranic scum that preys upon Europe. That Gypsies are capable of being shysters and crooks is well-established, but there is a whole order of magnitude of difference in the level of criminal depravity between them and the former three groups.
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Then you are not familiar with the Roma ways, they are responsible for much of the crime/murder/stealing in Europe. They are also known to kidnap white children and sell them as sex slaves in various eastern block countries.
I'd bet good money that the Roma are getting mixed up quite a bit with Albanians, Tamils, Turks, and other invading Koranic scum that preys upon Europe. That Gypsies are capable of being shysters and crooks is well-established, but there is a whole order of magnitude of difference in the level of criminal depravity between them and the former three groups.
Gypsies don't belong to Europe. If they don't respect our laws, then they must be hanged as the British did with them in the medieval age. If they don't respect our laws and say we are racists, then they have to go back India.
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I'm not saying they are innocent, just that a lot of what they are getting blamed for here seems way out of their league.
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Then you are not familiar with the Roma ways, they are responsible for much of the crime/murder/stealing in Europe. They are also known to kidnap white children and sell them as sex slaves in various eastern block countries.
I'd bet good money that the Roma are getting mixed up quite a bit with Albanians, Tamils, Turks, and other invading Koranic scum that preys upon Europe. That Gypsies are capable of being shysters and crooks is well-established, but there is a whole order of magnitude of difference in the level of criminal depravity between them and the former three groups.
Gypsies don't belong to Europe. If they don't respect our laws, then they must be hanged as the British did with them in the medieval age. If they don't respect our laws and say we are racists, then they have to go back India.
Who else will have to come back to India???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory
QUOTE>> Migration after Toba
It is currently not known where human populations were living at the time of the eruption. The simplest scenario would be that all the survivors were populations living in Africa, whose descendants would go on to populate the world. However, recent archeological finds, mentioned above, have suggested that a human population may have survived in India. Dating of early human migrations cannot yet give a conclusive answer to this question. Recent analyses of mitochondrial DNA have set the estimate for the major migration from Africa to 60–70,000 years ago,[15] whereas the Toba eruption has been dated to 67,500–75,500 years ago.
Either from Africa or from South Asia, during the next tens of thousands of years the surviving populations would populate Australia, East Asia, Europe and the Americas. <<UNQUOTE
Welcome Home... ;D
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http://hitlernews.cloudworth.com/roma-gypsy.php
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http://hitlernews.cloudworth.com/roma-gypsy.php
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If your husband would be beaten to death in front of his daughters would you still protect gypsies? If your 14 years old daughter would be raped and killed by 6 gypsies in your little town, would you still protect them?
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Gays were also victims of the holocaust, now we should protect and love them? Communist Germans also were murdered. 90% of the criminals in Eastern Europe are GYPSIES!
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Gays were also victims of the holocaust, now we should protect and love them? Communist Germans also were murdered. 90% of the criminals in Eastern Europe are GYPSIES!
Good point ProudandZionist.
Basically I think we should go by measure for measure - with every group of people who follow a certain agenda and ideology.
I don't know this kind of "Killer-Gypsies". So I think different about this issue. But if it would be in my personal area, like you describe it - Perhaps I would have another view on this group of people.
But like I said, I met only nice Gypsies.
P.S.: In fact if communist Germans, gay Germans or even fellow Nazis have been killed by the Nazis - I don't remember them and I don't mourn. I think basically, that it doesn't matter.
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I don't have any great sympathy to the Gypsies and condemn the crimes some of them commit (and I don't like their taste either :))
But I have to admit that CF is right that they are getting too hard judgment in this thread, the judgment much "out of their league".
And who hates the Gypsies most? Hungraians, Slovaks, Romanians? True, they are more civilized, but all of them were vicious Nazi supporters during the WW2 and I don't believe they changed much since then.
For me nomad savage is better than civilized Nazi.
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I don't have any great sympathy to the Gypsies and condemn the crimes some of them commit (and I don't like their taste either :))
But I have to admit that CF is right that they are getting too hard judgment in this thread, the judgment much "out of their league".
And who hates the Gypsies most? Hungraians, Slovaks, Romanians? True, they are more civilized, but all of them were vicious Nazi supporters during the WW2 and I don't believe they changed much since then.
For me nomad savage is better than civilized Nazi.
Profound... :clap:
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I don't have any great sympathy to the Gypsies and condemn the crimes some of them commit (and I don't like their taste either :))
But I have to admit that CF is right that they are getting too hard judgment in this thread, the judgment much "out of their league".
And who hates the Gypsies most? Hungraians, Slovaks, Romanians? True, they are more civilized, but all of them were vicious Nazi supporters during the WW2 and I don't believe they changed much since then.
For me nomad savage is better than civilized Nazi.
Do you know why? Because 80% of European Gypsies live in Eastern Europe. (BTW they don't really hate ohter nations, for example Romanians are very friendly with Jews)
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I don't have any great sympathy to the Gypsies and condemn the crimes some of them commit (and I don't like their taste either :))
But I have to admit that CF is right that they are getting too hard judgment in this thread, the judgment much "out of their league".
And who hates the Gypsies most? Hungraians, Slovaks, Romanians? True, they are more civilized, but all of them were vicious Nazi supporters during the WW2 and I don't believe they changed much since then.
For me nomad savage is better than civilized Nazi.
Do you know why? Because 80% of European Gypsies live in Eastern Europe. (BTW they don't really hate ohter nations, for example Romanians are very friendly with Jews)
I work with {and for} several Romanians here at my job. For the most part I find Romanians to be very nice {especially my old boss}... Except for the Dracula accent ;)
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I'm afraid that if gypsies want respect, they must first earn it. Police in the UK prefer never to enter their encampments, for fear of violence and so-called human rights. There was a case quite recently of a mother being murdered in front of her daughter while out on a walk. If it happens to you, the statistics don't matter. You don't need to be a terrorist to be scum.
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I don't have any great sympathy to the Gypsies and condemn the crimes some of them commit (and I don't like their taste either :))
But I have to admit that CF is right that they are getting too hard judgment in this thread, the judgment much "out of their league".
And who hates the Gypsies most? Hungraians, Slovaks, Romanians? True, they are more civilized, but all of them were vicious Nazi supporters during the WW2 and I don't believe they changed much since then.
For me nomad savage is better than civilized Nazi.
Do you know why? Because 80% of European Gypsies live in Eastern Europe. (BTW they don't really hate ohter nations, for example Romanians are very friendly with Jews)
I work with {and for} several Romanians here at my job. For the most part I find Romanians to be very nice {especially my old boss}... Except for the Dracula accent ;)
BUT THEY ARE NOT GYPSIES!!!
All people hate Gypsies where there are much. (It doesn't depend from the political view, because lefties also hate them) David, I agree.
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Ooops... It looks like I spoke a little too soon...
It seems that the Mayor of Romania is being asked to resigned because of his penchant for wearing Nazi uniforms...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534350,00.html
CONSTANTA, Romania — An anti-Semitism monitoring organization in Romania has filed an official complaint with prosecutors against a mayor for taking part in a fashion show dressed as a Nazi officer and wearing a swastika.
Radu Mazare, the mayor of Constanta city, is no stranger to showmanship. He once appeared at a public event dressed as James Bond, and he has done fashion magazine spreads.
Mazare, a member of the opposition Social Democracy Party, also was charged last year, along with 36 other government officials, with carrying out illegal real estate deals that cost the country 114 million euros ($143 million).
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CONSTANTA, Romania — An anti-Semitism monitoring organization in Romania has filed an official complaint with prosecutors against a mayor for taking part in a fashion show dressed as a Nazi officer and wearing a swastika.
Radu Mazare, the mayor of Constanta city, is no stranger to showmanship. He once appeared at a public event dressed as James Bond, and he has done fashion magazine spreads.
Mazare, a member of the opposition Social Democracy Party, also was charged last year, along with 36 other government officials, with carrying out illegal real estate deals that cost the country 114 million euros ($143 million).
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Yikes. :o
I did know that there has been a lot of anti-Semitism in Romania, though.
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CONSTANTA, Romania — An anti-Semitism monitoring organization in Romania has filed an official complaint with prosecutors against a mayor for taking part in a fashion show dressed as a Nazi officer and wearing a swastika.
Radu Mazare, the mayor of Constanta city, is no stranger to showmanship. He once appeared at a public event dressed as James Bond, and he has done fashion magazine spreads.
Mazare, a member of the opposition Social Democracy Party, also was charged last year, along with 36 other government officials, with carrying out illegal real estate deals that cost the country 114 million euros ($143 million).
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Yikes. :o
I did know that there has been a lot of anti-Semitism in Romania, though.
320 000 Jews were murdered...
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CONSTANTA, Romania — An anti-Semitism monitoring organization in Romania has filed an official complaint with prosecutors against a mayor for taking part in a fashion show dressed as a Nazi officer and wearing a swastika.
Radu Mazare, the mayor of Constanta city, is no stranger to showmanship. He once appeared at a public event dressed as James Bond, and he has done fashion magazine spreads.
Mazare, a member of the opposition Social Democracy Party, also was charged last year, along with 36 other government officials, with carrying out illegal real estate deals that cost the country 114 million euros ($143 million).
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Yikes. :o
I did know that there has been a lot of anti-Semitism in Romania, though.
Well....most of the troops in Stalingrad that fought the Russians were actually Romanians. Romania contributed a ton to the 3rd reich until it was captured and turned it's back on Hungary and went and took some of their land.
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Yeah, I knew Romania was a very key part of the Axis in the first half of the war.
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CONSTANTA, Romania — An anti-Semitism monitoring organization in Romania has filed an official complaint with prosecutors against a mayor for taking part in a fashion show dressed as a Nazi officer and wearing a swastika.
Radu Mazare, the mayor of Constanta city, is no stranger to showmanship. He once appeared at a public event dressed as James Bond, and he has done fashion magazine spreads.
Mazare, a member of the opposition Social Democracy Party, also was charged last year, along with 36 other government officials, with carrying out illegal real estate deals that cost the country 114 million euros ($143 million).
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Yikes. :o
I did know that there has been a lot of anti-Semitism in Romania, though.
320 000 Jews were murdered...
Look also at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_Odessa_massacre
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I don't have any great sympathy to the Gypsies and condemn the crimes some of them commit (and I don't like their taste either :))
But I have to admit that CF is right that they are getting too hard judgment in this thread, the judgment much "out of their league".
And who hates the Gypsies most? Hungraians, Slovaks, Romanians? True, they are more civilized, but all of them were vicious Nazi supporters during the WW2 and I don't believe they changed much since then.
For me nomad savage is better than civilized Nazi.
Do you know why? Because 80% of European Gypsies live in Eastern Europe. (BTW they don't really hate ohter nations, for example Romanians are very friendly with Jews)
I work with {and for} several Romanians here at my job. For the most part I find Romanians to be very nice {especially my old boss}... Except for the Dracula accent ;)
This can well be true. There are always good people in any nation at any time. Even during the Holocaust, there were righteous Germans, Croats, Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, etc.
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Where do the Gypsies come from? Did they ever have a state of their own? Is there Gypsy language?
Most are from Romania so I guess they speak Romanay
No they are not, they are from India, they came here as traders and attempted to mix with the local populations and it ended up a horrible mess.
He meant the gypsies in Ireland came from Romania (but the gypsy "people" belongs to India and North-Pakistan). Romanians are latin people and not gypsies. Gypsies are criminals.
Yes, but it's annoying because Gypsies call themselves "Roma" so people think that the Gypsies are descendants of Romanians. Gypsies are the reason Romania is so corrupt and having all kinds of poverty issues. Anytime I tell someone of my Romanian background, they assume I have Gypsy blood when I have none. I have Thracian background which Romanians descend from. The Albanians claim this too, but they are liars.
I understand how irritated and exasperated Romanians must be on being constantly confused with Gypsies. I feel for the Romanian people! One time I took a class with a man who claimed to be Romanian. I know what Romanians look like, and he looked nothing like that. I said to him: "You are not Romanian. You must be a Gypsy." He got very iritated, at first, when I said that, but later he admitted that I was right. Mind you, he was a good Gypsy, because he had a regular job and was settled.
Gypsies are rich not because they do petty crime, they are rich because they do BIG-time crime these days, like drug dealing on a high level.
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All people hate Gypsies where there are much.
The people who defend Gypsies on this thread have no idea what they are like. They are ignorant and naive about this issue. I grew up in an area that was full of Gypsies, and I know one thing: there is no way I want any Gypsies to live anywhere in my vicinity. I know what Gypsies are like. I simply know, and this is why I don'twant to hear any PC claptrap.
This is exactly analogous to people who have lived among blacks being accused by white liberals from fancy areas of unfair stereotyping, telling them that they know several black people who were very nice and charming.
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All people hate Gypsies where there are much.
The people who defend Gypsies on this thread have no idea what they are like. They are ignorant and naive about this issue. I grew up in an area that was full of Gypsies, and I know one thing: there is no way I want any Gypsies to live anywhere in my vicinity. I know what Gypsies are like. I simply know, and this is why I don'twant to hear any PC claptrap.
This is exactly analogous to people who have lived among blacks being accused by white liberals from fancy areas of unfair stereotyping, telling them that they know several black people who were very nice and charming.
I can only agree.
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All people hate Gypsies where there are much.
The people who defend Gypsies on this thread have no idea what they are like. They are ignorant and naive about this issue. I grew up in an area that was full of Gypsies, and I know one thing: there is no way I want any Gypsies to live anywhere in my vicinity. I know what Gypsies are like. I simply know, and this is why I don'twant to hear any PC claptrap.
This is exactly analogous to people who have lived among blacks being accused by white liberals from fancy areas of unfair stereotyping, telling them that they know several black people who were very nice and charming.
You seem to miss the point. Nobody here tries to whitewash the crimes the Gypsies commit or say "they were persecuted by Nazis, like we the Jews, so let's love them".
The point is that the nations who hate the Gypies most (Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians) were enthusiastic Nazi collaborators, so when when they have problems with Gypsies why should we feel compassion to them? If you compare what Romanians have done to the Jews with that of the Gyspies, the Gypsies are just small gentle kids.
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I don't know if this occurs elsewhere, but in Toronto there are Gypsies who dress like Chossids and go around pulling cons.
This disgusts me more than anything, and it shows that Gypsies don't mind completely messing with the Jewish community.
I remember when I was working at a restaurant where pretty much all the customers were Jewish, and these two guys kept telling me thewy were Jewish, even wearing a Magen David. I was very suspicious, so I talked to them, and quickly realized they were Gypsies.(Gypsies always pretend to be something else in North America and will always lie about their ethnicity, lest you find out that they are Gypsy criminals.)
I told my boss, and he told them never to come back again, and that he knows what they are up too. (He was a Russian Jew) So even in North American these people are overwhelmingly criminals,
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All people hate Gypsies where there are much.
The people who defend Gypsies on this thread have no idea what they are like. They are ignorant and naive about this issue. I grew up in an area that was full of Gypsies, and I know one thing: there is no way I want any Gypsies to live anywhere in my vicinity. I know what Gypsies are like. I simply know, and this is why I don'twant to hear any PC claptrap.
This is exactly analogous to people who have lived among blacks being accused by white liberals from fancy areas of unfair stereotyping, telling them that they know several black people who were very nice and charming.
You seem to miss the point. Nobody here tries to whitewash the crimes the Gypsies commit or say "they were persecuted by Nazis, like we the Jews, so let's love them".
The point is that the nations who hate the Gypies most (Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians) were enthusiastic Nazi collaborators, so when when they have problems with Gypsies why should we feel compassion to them? If you compare what Romanians have done to the Jews with that of the Gyspies, the Gypsies are just small gentle kids.
I think this is the "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. I love cucumbers, and Hitler liked cucumbers. Does it mean that I am like Hitler. If Romanians hate Gypsies and Romanians were on Hitler's side during the war, this doesn't mean that Gypsies should become my allies. I am on the side of Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians, and (grinding teeth) even Ukrainians because they are Europeans, and I am on the side of Europeans because they are closer to my heart than non-Europeans.
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All people hate Gypsies where there are much.
The people who defend Gypsies on this thread have no idea what they are like. They are ignorant and naive about this issue. I grew up in an area that was full of Gypsies, and I know one thing: there is no way I want any Gypsies to live anywhere in my vicinity. I know what Gypsies are like. I simply know, and this is why I don'twant to hear any PC claptrap.
This is exactly analogous to people who have lived among blacks being accused by white liberals from fancy areas of unfair stereotyping, telling them that they know several black people who were very nice and charming.
You seem to miss the point. Nobody here tries to whitewash the crimes the Gypsies commit or say "they were persecuted by Nazis, like we the Jews, so let's love them".
The point is that the nations who hate the Gypies most (Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians) were enthusiastic Nazi collaborators, so when when they have problems with Gypsies why should we feel compassion to them? If you compare what Romanians have done to the Jews with that of the Gyspies, the Gypsies are just small gentle kids.
I think this is the "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. I love cucumbers, and Hitler liked cucumbers. Does it mean that I am like Hitler. If Romanians hate Gypsies and Romanians were on Hitler's side during the war, this doesn't mean that Gypsies should become my allies. I am on the side of Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians, and (grinding teeth) even Ukrainians because they are Europeans, and I am on the side of Europeans because they are closer to my heart than non-Europeans.
I agree, the thread was about the Gypsies and my comment about Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians is a secondary observation and our relation to the Gypsies should not be formed by that of Eastern Europeans. But your last statement about Europeans who are close to your heart is very interesting. May I ask you two questions:
1. Why are Europeans close to your heart, and
2. Do you consider Europeans closer than Moroccan, Iranian or Yemeni Jews?
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Leave me out of this please.
After watching "Drag me to hell" I dont wanna mess with any Gypsy :laugh: :laugh: :::D
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I understand how irritated and exasperated Romanians must be on being constantly confused with Gypsies. I feel for the Romanian people! One time I took a class with a man who claimed to be Romanian. I know what Romanians look like, and he looked nothing like that. I said to him: "You are not Romanian. You must be a Gypsy." He got very iritated, at first, when I said that, but later he admitted that I was right. Mind you, he was a good Gypsy, because he had a regular job and was settled.
I don't know a lot about Romania but like much of Eastern Europe, it has a pretty bad track record when it comes to Jews. I can't muster up a ton of across-the-board sympathy for a nation that killed over 200,000 of its own Jews in military pogroms under King Carol even BEFORE the alliance with Nazi Germany.
Gypsies are rich not because they do petty crime, they are rich because they do BIG-time crime these days, like drug dealing on a high level.
This sounds like Albanians more than Roma.
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All people hate Gypsies where there are much.
The people who defend Gypsies on this thread have no idea what they are like. They are ignorant and naive about this issue. I grew up in an area that was full of Gypsies, and I know one thing: there is no way I want any Gypsies to live anywhere in my vicinity. I know what Gypsies are like. I simply know, and this is why I don'twant to hear any PC claptrap.
This is exactly analogous to people who have lived among blacks being accused by white liberals from fancy areas of unfair stereotyping, telling them that they know several black people who were very nice and charming.
You seem to miss the point. Nobody here tries to whitewash the crimes the Gypsies commit or say "they were persecuted by Nazis, like we the Jews, so let's love them".
The point is that the nations who hate the Gypies most (Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians) were enthusiastic Nazi collaborators, so when when they have problems with Gypsies why should we feel compassion to them? If you compare what Romanians have done to the Jews with that of the Gyspies, the Gypsies are just small gentle kids.
I think this is the "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. I love cucumbers, and Hitler liked cucumbers. Does it mean that I am like Hitler. If Romanians hate Gypsies and Romanians were on Hitler's side during the war, this doesn't mean that Gypsies should become my allies. I am on the side of Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians, and (grinding teeth) even Ukrainians because they are Europeans, and I am on the side of Europeans because they are closer to my heart than non-Europeans.
Exactly, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
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True. But the enemy of my enemy is his problem. It is not my problem. There are no Gypsies in Israel, virtually none of them in US and Canada and very few of them in Western Europe. Gypsies only make problems to the nations who have done much greater problems to my people, so why should I care?
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True. But the enemy of my enemy is his problem. It is not my problem. There are no Gypsies in Israel, virtually none of them in US and Canada and very few of them in Western Europe. Gypsies only make problems to the nations who have done much greater problems to my people, so why should I care?
There are gypsies in America as well as Israel
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/994525.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_by_country#Israel
Some Eastern European Roma are known to have arrived in Israel in the late 1940s and early 1950s, being from Bulgaria or having intermarried with Jews in the post-WWII displaced persons camps or, in some cases, having pretended to be Jews when Zionist representatives arrived in those camps. The exact numbers of these Romanies living in Israel are unknown, since such individuals tended to assimilate into the Israeli Jewish environment. According to several recent accounts in the Israeli press, some families preserve traditional Romani lullabies and a small number of Romani expressions and curse words, and pass them on to generations born in Israel who, for the most part, are Jews and speak Hebrew.[citation needed] The Romani community in Israel has grown since the 1990s, as some Roma immigrated there from the former Soviet Union.
A community related to the Romanies and living in Israel and the Palestinian territories and in neighboring countries are known as Dom people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_people
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1. Why are Europeans close to your heart, and
2. Do you consider Europeans closer than Moroccan, Iranian or Yemeni Jews?
Because I am a European Jew and my ancestors have lived in Europe for 2000 years. Because I think that Europeans have a superior civilization to all other people. I am not sure about the 2nd question. I don't have a very strong opinion on that point because I am a secular Jew, although I support a theocracy in Israel 100%.
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True. But the enemy of my enemy is his problem. It is not my problem. There are no Gypsies in Israel, virtually none of them in US and Canada and very few of them in Western Europe. Gypsies only make problems to the nations who have done much greater problems to my people, so why should I care?
There are gypsies in America as well as Israel
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/994525.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_by_country#Israel
Some Eastern European Roma are known to have arrived in Israel in the late 1940s and early 1950s, being from Bulgaria or having intermarried with Jews in the post-WWII displaced persons camps or, in some cases, having pretended to be Jews when Zionist representatives arrived in those camps. The exact numbers of these Romanies living in Israel are unknown, since such individuals tended to assimilate into the Israeli Jewish environment. According to several recent accounts in the Israeli press, some families preserve traditional Romani lullabies and a small number of Romani expressions and curse words, and pass them on to generations born in Israel who, for the most part, are Jews and speak Hebrew.[citation needed] The Romani community in Israel has grown since the 1990s, as some Roma immigrated there from the former Soviet Union.
A community related to the Romanies and living in Israel and the Palestinian territories and in neighboring countries are known as Dom people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_people
Look, I live in Jerusalem, Israel and I've never seen any Gypsy. If several hundreds of them live here, it is nothing. They are not heard of altogether.
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True. But the enemy of my enemy is his problem. It is not my problem. There are no Gypsies in Israel, virtually none of them in US and Canada and very few of them in Western Europe. Gypsies only make problems to the nations who have done much greater problems to my people, so why should I care?
There are gypsies in America as well as Israel
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/994525.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_by_country#Israel
Some Eastern European Roma are known to have arrived in Israel in the late 1940s and early 1950s, being from Bulgaria or having intermarried with Jews in the post-WWII displaced persons camps or, in some cases, having pretended to be Jews when Zionist representatives arrived in those camps. The exact numbers of these Romanies living in Israel are unknown, since such individuals tended to assimilate into the Israeli Jewish environment. According to several recent accounts in the Israeli press, some families preserve traditional Romani lullabies and a small number of Romani expressions and curse words, and pass them on to generations born in Israel who, for the most part, are Jews and speak Hebrew.[citation needed] The Romani community in Israel has grown since the 1990s, as some Roma immigrated there from the former Soviet Union.
A community related to the Romanies and living in Israel and the Palestinian territories and in neighboring countries are known as Dom people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_people
Look, I live in Jerusalem, Israel and I've never seen any Gypsy. If several hundreds of them live here, it is nothing. They are not heard of altogether.
:'(
In the Holy city? Jerusalem is infected by many arabs. >:(
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They say that there is a small Gypsy community in Arab quarters of Jerusalem. I've never seen one. I've never heard they participate in terrorist or criminal activity.
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In the Holy city? Jerusalem is infected by many arabs. >:(
Due to traitorous policy of Israeli elites, 1/3 of Jerusalem population are Arabs.
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They say that there is a small Gypsy community in Arab quarters of Jerusalem. I've never seen one. I've never heard they participate in terrorist or criminal activity.
They are brave in bands...
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1. Why are Europeans close to your heart, and
2. Do you consider Europeans closer than Moroccan, Iranian or Yemeni Jews?
Because I am a European Jew and my ancestors have lived in Europe for 2000 years. Because I think that Europeans have a superior civilization to all other people. I am not sure about the 2nd question. I don't have a very strong opinion on that point because I am a secular Jew, although I support a theocracy in Israel 100%.
I think the only advantage of European civilization is [more exactly, was] military power. And 2000 years of Jewish presence in Europe was full of persecutions, tragedies and suffering.
It's a real tragedy that European civilization has stolen so many Jewish minds and souls and used them in its own needs.
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They say that there is a small Gypsy community in Arab quarters of Jerusalem. I've never seen one. I've never heard they participate in terrorist or criminal activity.
They are brave in bands...
So are Arabs :)