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What should happen to this bar some people should cause the insurance to be too costly for it to stay open.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1248277915988&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
At a recently opened eco-friendly bar in Tel Aviv, customers can enjoy vegan delicacies, politic with left-wing activists or indulge in green-colored beer.
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But wearing green may get them thrown out.
The Rogatka Bar - the word means "slingshot" in Russian and was used colloquially to describe slingshots used by Palestinian youth during the first intifada - has found itself at the heart of a fiery debate, after Army Radio reported earlier this week that the vegan eatery does not allow entry to IDF soldiers in uniform.
According to the report, two combat soldiers who were sent to the restaurant last week by Army Radio with a hidden recorder, were forbidden from entering the restaurant, and were told they would have to change into civilian clothes if they wanted to come in. Wearing IDF uniforms inside the restaurant, they were told, was forbidden.
"It's nothing personal, but ideological," the soldiers were told by Rogatka employees. "Your uniforms symbolize genocide and violence, and the violence that the IDF perpetrates is the reason for ongoing violence."
One of the soldiers took off his IDF-issue shirt, but his unit's t-shirt didn't pass the restaurant's dress code either. The two were told to leave.
Army Radio later sent another soldier to follow up on the story, but as soon as he sat down at the bar, employees came over to him and demanded that he leave.
"Your shirt symbolizes drek and disgust and as soon as I see your shirt, it hurts me," one of the employees said. "Get out of here."
"I kill myself to protect you and you're throwing me out?" the solider reportedly replied.
"You aren't killing yourself," the soldier was told. "They are taking advantage of you, and you're a slave to the army. Now leave."
Calling itself an "anarchist collective," Rogatka, which is located on Rehov Yitzhak Sadeh, also refuses to purchase produce grown in Jewish settlements and prohibits the carrying of weapons.
While Rogatka management declined to respond to The Jerusalem Post's queries on Tuesday, the restaurant-bar's policies have begun to elicit a backlash both online and in the Knesset.
On Monday, MK Ophir Paz-Pines (Labor) sent an urgent letter to Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz and Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai to check if Rogatka was breaking any laws by banning the entry of IDF soldiers in uniform.
MK Uri Orbach (Habayit Hayehudi) told the Post on Tuesday that while he was not mulling any formal moves against the bar, "a society that is embarrassed by its soldiers is not a normal society.
"The soldiers are our emissaries," Orbach said. "I'd like to see a place that invites soldiers in because they're in uniform, not the opposite.
"But this is a symptom of the new Left in this country, as opposed to the old Left of the Labor party. The new left is anti-Zionist, they are against the Jewish state, and while they are a small group, they're very aggressive."
Other voices of protest against the bar's policies could be found on Facebook, where a group called "Boycott The Rogatka" has over 700 members.
The group's creator, Yaniv Dvir, told the Post on Tuesday that the responses his group had received fell into two separate categories.
"One group of people are just personally insulted by this," Dvir said. "They're shocked and upset, and I think it angers a lot of people. For example, I have reserve duty next month, and when I put on my uniform, am I supposed to feel like a murderer?"
Dvir said the second group of responses were more proactive.
"There are other people who actually want to do something, you know, to take a stand against this place somehow, and both of those responses can be found within the group.
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
This is true .Do they have a bar like this Germany that won't allow in Military people in Germany
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
This is true .Do they have a bar like this Germany that won't allow in Military people in Germany
I think there are lots of bars of this type.
But as a soldier you are not allowed to leave the military areas in your uniform.
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
This is true .Do they have a bar like this Germany that won't allow in Military people in Germany
I think there are lots of bars of this type.
But as a soldier you are not allowed to leave the military areas in your uniform.
Really in the U.S. you can
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
This is true .Do they have a bar like this Germany that won't allow in Military people in Germany
I think there are lots of bars of this type.
But as a soldier you are not allowed to leave the military areas in your uniform.
huh?! You can't. I don't think so. I saw a lot military people in their uniform outside the military areas.
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Tel Aviv is a bigger threat to Israel than Iran. These traitor leftist anti-Jews are a greater threat to the Jewish people than any muslim.
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
This is true .Do they have a bar like this Germany that won't allow in Military people in Germany
I think there are lots of bars of this type.
But as a soldier you are not allowed to leave the military areas in your uniform.
huh?! You can't. I don't think so. I saw a lot military people in their uniform outside the military areas.
No, some soldiers do it against the rule. But it is still forbidden.
There is the exception from the rule, that you can wear the uniform on the direct way from home to work. But that's it.
You can read about it in ZDV 37/10. :)
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
This is true .Do they have a bar like this Germany that won't allow in Military people in Germany
I think there are lots of bars of this type.
But as a soldier you are not allowed to leave the military areas in your uniform.
huh?! You can't. I don't think so. I saw a lot military people in their uniform outside the military areas.
No, some soldiers do it against the rule. But it is still forbidden.
There is the exception from the rule, that you can wear the uniform on the direct way from home to work. But that's it.
You can read about it in ZDV 37/10. :)
Oh ok. So I think those I saw with their uniform went back home.
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
I think they should have a right to let anyone who they please in. I mean they are rats, lowest of scum, but they should stay open, without any gov-t inhinderance. I think it is a marketing ploy - it is so out of ordinary in Israel, where IDF is generally venerated, that they knew they are going to make the news. I now hope that other business owners, would reciprocate in kind to these "employees" and Rogatka owners. I will go to this bar when I am in Tel Aviv, and just make a scene- I will get some laugh out of these rats.
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
I think they should have a right to let anyone who they please in. I mean they are rats, lowest of scum, but they should stay open, without any gov-t inhinderance. I think it is a marketing ploy - it is so out of ordinary in Israel, where IDF is generally venerated, that they knew they are going to make the news. I now hope that other business owners, would reciprocate in kind to these "employees" and Rogatka owners. I will go to this bar when I am in Tel Aviv, and just make a scene- I will get some laugh out of these rats.
Manch. don't do this. First you will hurt you stomach (I have seen pictures of the kitchen in this kind of bars/restaurants) and secondly you will not change their mind. This kind of people thinking they are right, even their stand is suicidal.
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I think it is their choice whom they let enter their bar.
But I would never go there. In this kind of leftist bars is the kitchen very dirty and lots of this places have rats (I mean no human rats, but real rats).
I think they should have a right to let anyone who they please in. I mean they are rats, lowest of scum, but they should stay open, without any gov-t inhinderance. I think it is a marketing ploy - it is so out of ordinary in Israel, where IDF is generally venerated, that they knew they are going to make the news. I now hope that other business owners, would reciprocate in kind to these "employees" and Rogatka owners. I will go to this bar when I am in Tel Aviv, and just make a scene- I will get some laugh out of these rats.
Manch. don't do this. First you will hurt you stomach (I have seen pictures of the kitchen in this kind of bars/restaurants) and secondly you will not change their mind. This kind of people thinking they are right, even their stand is suicidal.
I am not going to eat there, just order. I wouldn't give them money either. I'd do it just to ridicule these rats.
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In the US military, you are not supposed to go into a bar while in uniform..either. It's bad PR I think is what they are thinking.
ie:
BREAKING NEWS, DRUNK GI FROM THE BASE, GETS INTO A BRAWL IN THE BAR WHILE IN UNIFORM...
that sort of a thing is not good.
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In the US military, you are not supposed to go into a bar while in uniform..either. It's bad PR I think is what they are thinking.
ie:
BREAKING NEWS, DRUNK GI FROM THE BASE, GETS INTO A BRAWL IN THE BAR WHILE IN UNIFORM...
that sort of a thing is not good.
No not in Bars but i have seen peeps in bars in Bars with uniforms it happen with no problems