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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: takebackourtemple on August 01, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-israel-shooting2-2009aug02,0,2362968.story
I don't know the details of who attacked the club, but at least it was an immoral club. Why Israel has to tolerate these type of clubs is beyond me? Hopefully these clubs will be shut down because Sodomy does not belong in Jerusalem.
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Something tells me it was mafia related.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-israel-shooting2-2009aug02,0,2362968.story
I don't know the details of who attacked the club, but at least it was an immoral club. Why Israel has to tolerate these type of clubs is beyond me? Hopefully these clubs will be shut down because Sodomy does not belong in Jerusalem.
Because, I believe, we are living in a secular, free country. Gay people are people like all the people you know. They most probebly developed this sickness from childhood, at least thats what I believe to be the case with homosexuality, calling them names like immoral, or abomination, will not change the way they are, they cannot change it. Until they find a cure to it, or its particular reasons and a way to treat it, you have no right to condemn them. You may dislike them, that is ok, you are free to like or dislike whoever/whatever you want, but more than that is beyond your human rights. I thought homophobia was so in the 90's?
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Because, I believe, we are living in a secular, free country. Gay people are people like all the people you know. They most probebly developed this sickness from childhood, at least thats what I believe to be the case with homosexuality, calling them names like immoral, or abomination, will not change the way they are, they cannot change it. Until they find a cure to it, or its particular reasons and a way to treat it, you have no right to condemn them. You may dislike them, that is ok, you are free to like or dislike whoever/whatever you want, but more than that is beyond your human rights. I thought homophobia was so in the 90's?
I take it you do not believe in the holy Word of G-d then.
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Because, I believe, we are living in a secular, free country. Gay people are people like all the people you know. They most probebly developed this sickness from childhood, at least thats what I believe to be the case with homosexuality, calling them names like immoral, or abomination, will not change the way they are, they cannot change it. Until they find a cure to it, or its particular reasons and a way to treat it, you have no right to condemn them. You may dislike them, that is ok, you are free to like or dislike whoever/whatever you want, but more than that is beyond your human rights. I thought homophobia was so in the 90's?
I take it you do not believe in the holy Word of G-d then.
@ Madmarv,
It's when these sick Sodomites tell everyone else that their behavior is Normal and Should be accepted - is when I have a problem with them!
The Homosexual mafia is alive and well, just look at the junk on TV nowadays!
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I take it you do not believe in the holy Word of G-d then.
It could be you in that party, you were just lucky not to grow in an environment that promoted homosexuality (indirectly). It's as simple as that. Its easy for us to point fingers all the time.
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Because, I believe, we are living in a secular, free country. Gay people are people like all the people you know. They most probebly developed this sickness from childhood, at least thats what I believe to be the case with homosexuality, calling them names like immoral, or abomination, will not change the way they are, they cannot change it. Until they find a cure to it, or its particular reasons and a way to treat it, you have no right to condemn them. You may dislike them, that is ok, you are free to like or dislike whoever/whatever you want, but more than that is beyond your human rights. I thought homophobia was so in the 90's?
I take it you do not believe in the holy Word of G-d then.
@ Madmarv,
It's when these sick Sodomites tell everyone else that their behavior is Normal and Should be accepted - is when I have a problem with them!
The Homosexual mafia is alive and well, just look at the junk on TV nowadays!
Could be, dunno, but it's still not a very good idea to be so hostile and sensitive towards them imo.
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The problem is that this group of dysfunctional people want to be accepted into mainstream society. This is something that in a normal society really should be unacceptable. Most of mainstream society has come to terms with more or less letting this group do as they please as long as they drop the in your face attitude and demands that making gay lifestyle an accepted one. As Chaim often says and is very correct when he does G-d made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
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Thank Hashem.. 3 less faggots on the earth to pollute, twist, defile and betray Israel. Israel has enough filth with the Muslims who live there, do we really need to turn the place into Sodom and Gomorrah once again? THe assassin, if you want to call him that, actually was administrating long due justice to all the filthy disgusting homo parades that polluted the minds of the children inside Israel. These faggots never cared when they were bump humping each other in the holy parts of Jerusalem in front of religious children. They are disgusting and of course the liberal media is jumping all over this. This is more fodder to condemn Judaism and Jewish identity. THey want faggots and muslims to overrrun Israel.
As bad as it is to murder, I will not say he was a cold blooded murderer.. He was a hot blooded killer, sick and tired of how these perverts are overruning the Holy Land.
Remember, Israel is THE HOLY LAND, not THE HOMO LAND... Its time to stand up and fight the faggots and ragheads or let this pollution overrun and destroy G-d's Own Nation! G-d FORBID!
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Something tells me it was mafia related.
Yes, Homosexuals love drugs.
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LOL Liran my good Israeli friend told me it yesterday. :laugh:
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I take it you do not believe in the holy Word of G-d then.
It could be you in that party, you were just lucky not to grow in an environment that promoted homosexuality (indirectly). It's as simple as that. Its easy for us to point fingers all the time.
I'm sorry, but I would never go to one of these clubs. I don't even no when the last time I went to any club was. On Friday nights I go to services.
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Homosexuality is a perversion. Whether genetic or environmental does not matter. It should not be promoted as being as socially acceptable as heterosexuality, growing children should not be allowed to consider it as a respectable alternative life style which they might consider joining, and homosexual couples should not be allowed to get legally married or to adopt children. G-d help anyone who might consider pushing it onto any of my three sons.
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I pray to G_D that the Jews NEVER EVER accept this evil, whats next? Pedophilia being made legal?
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Believe me. If you ask a gay person if he wished he had a cure for being gay he would tear a new one for you.
There is no need to treat them with disdain. While it is who they are to be that way they're behavior is extremely inapprpriate and should be discouraged. There is no cure just like there is cure for men who are susceptible to sleep around or do other bad immoral things. One needs to be able to control their desires from certain temptations. The same are for men or women who have homosexual inclinations. With that being said I'm glad that homo club was attacked. Too bad it wasn't destroyed all together. The people in that club were proud about their inappropriate behavior.
Fyi a lot of movies in israel are pro gay or about accepting ones gay sexuality and acting on it instead of accepting their sexuality and supressing it
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People here are right that homosexuality should not be promoted, but that also does not seem to be what that center was about. From what I have read it was a place for people who already idenitified themselves with the gay movement to get counseling and help with their problems. These people need help. This wasn't a gay nightclub.
And yes, the in-your-face gay activist point of view is abhorrent. And that is all over the story here too. Immediately the activists "take up arms" against Shas and the religious community and anyone else they can blame, it's like they don't even care about the guys who were killed, they just grasp for the political opportunism while it's still ripe. These activists are making a big mistake. And tragically it is causing people here to 'identify' with this murder due to their resentment of the gay agenda and now the gay agenda's association with this crime scene. The murder could have been a jilted lover, a drug or mafia related incident, an angry relative, an arab, a person who is against gays...... could have been anything. Either way, murder is wrong. People here should not celebrate a murder. Especially not one like this which advances the cause of the gay-agenda....
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This club is operated for gay teens of ages 14-21, by a gay rights foundation, with the purpose of enoucraging teens to embrace homosexual identity (and of course without consent of the teen's permission). I hope such a place would be shut down permanently. But I am sorry for the young victims and whatever choices they made, this is a terrible tragedy. One of the victims was just 17, but the other, was a 26 year old "guide".
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The gays deserved it.
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The gays deserved it.
I won't go as far as to say they deserve it, but they do have a lot of bad things coming for them if they continue on the same path. Most of them are sure to get STDs.
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Netanyahu judged the attack. ??? And gays are demonstrating now. (I watched them in the TV2) The reporter said that Tel Aviv was a tolerant city...but now it's a danger for the gays. :laugh:
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Netanyahu judged the attack. ??? And gays are demonstrating now. (I watched them in the TV2) The reporter said that Tel Aviv was a tolerant city...but now it's a danger for the gays. :laugh:
I think there is a good chance the killer himself is gay, most likely a gay Arab.
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Well Folks, Its just like Sodom and Gomorah! The Gays will have their reign for a little while, and then they will know how bad their crime is!
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It could be you in that party, you were just lucky not to grow in an environment that promoted homosexuality (indirectly). It's as simple as that. Its easy for us to point fingers all the time.
Everybody has free will. Not one homosexual exercises his desires involuntarily. Every single gay person is capable of self-control.
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Believe me. If you ask a gay person if he wished he had a cure for being gay he would tear a new one for you.
There is no need to treat them with disdain. While it is who they are to be that way they're behavior is extremely inapprpriate and should be discouraged. There is no cure just like there is cure for men who are susceptible to sleep around or do other bad immoral things. One needs to be able to control their desires from certain temptations. The same are for men or women who have homosexual inclinations. With that being said I'm glad that homo club was attacked. Too bad it wasn't destroyed all together. The people in that club were proud about their inappropriate behavior.
Fyi a lot of movies in israel are pro gay or about accepting ones gay sexuality and acting on it instead of accepting their sexuality and supressing it
Dan, you hear all the time about gay people trying to change and failing, but what we are forgetting is that the vast, vast majority of gays never even try to control themselves. Most give into those desires (whether secretly or openly and proudly), and some of them actually deliberately choose to have sex with the same sex even though they are attracted to the opposite sex. The overwhelming majority of homosexuals don't resist it at all and should not be coddled.
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The truth in matters sexual is often obscured.
The reality is that all youngsters of both sexes normally go through a brief homosexual phase during or prior to puberty. The point is that you have to prevent queers from influencing them at that stage.
Also, to be honest, I have difficulty comparing homosexual behaviour with heterosexual attraction to other women after marriage. The one is a perversion, the other a natural instinct which in an ideal world can be controlled.
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The truth in matters sexual is often obscured.
The reality is that all youngsters of both sexes normally go through a brief homosexual phase during or prior to puberty. The point is that you have to prevent queers from influencing them at that stage.
I did not experience this but I guess I won't doubt that the phenomenon exists. It is certainly not ALL youngsters, but maybe a good chunk (maybe majority maybe not).
And while I did not experience any homosexuality or experimentation in my youth, I was in public school around girls, so I do wonder whether it is more common when sexes are separated and there are no girls to interact with and look at. That's just a guess but I think it may cause more confusion as youngsters develop in puberty if they are separated from the opposite sex.
I remember when I became attracted to girls in grade school, and part of that was the fact that I saw them in class and there's a certain mystique about them since you are accustomed to being friends with guys and that's a normal every day thing, but with the 'pretty girl' it was different...
I do agree that whatever extent to which this phenomenon occurs, it is important to keep the queer-promotion influences out of the picture at that point and let the guy grow into himself naturally without being pressured or "encouraged" to be gay by outside forces.
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The truth in matters sexual is often obscured.
The reality is that all youngsters of both sexes normally go through a brief homosexual phase during or prior to puberty. The point is that you have to prevent queers from influencing them at that stage.
I did not experience this but I guess I won't doubt that the phenomenon exists. It is certainly not ALL youngsters, but maybe a good chunk (maybe majority maybe not).
And while I did not experience any homosexuality or experimentation in my youth, I was in public school around girls, so I do wonder whether it is more common when sexes are separated and there are no girls to interact with and look at. That's just a guess but I think it may cause more confusion as youngsters develop in puberty if they are separated from the opposite sex.
I remember when I became attracted to girls in grade school, and part of that was the fact that I saw them in class and there's a certain mystique about them since you are accustomed to being friends with guys and that's a normal every day thing, but with the 'pretty girl' it was different...
I do agree that whatever extent to which this phenomenon occurs, it is important to keep the queer-promotion influences out of the picture at that point and let the guy grow into himself naturally without being pressured or "encouraged" to be gay by outside forces.
I disagree with you... I went to school both in public school co-ed and to a boys private middle school. I find that there is more homosexuality in co-education classes.
I don't know if this is true today... This was 20 years ago...
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The reality is that all youngsters of both sexes normally go through a brief homosexual phase during or prior to puberty. The point is that you have to prevent queers from influencing them at that stage.
I don't buy that. I never experienced that. I think that most people are capable of homosexuality (look at the ancient Greeks and Romans) if they are willing to allow themselves to become that depraved, but the idea that there is a homo stage that kids go through is BS. Even that self-hating, sex-obsessed nutcase Freud never thought such a thing.
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I hate the way the news assumed some ultra orthodox jew caused this. It burns me up how they get away with this.
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The truth in matters sexual is often obscured.
The reality is that all youngsters of both sexes normally go through a brief homosexual phase during or prior to puberty. The point is that you have to prevent queers from influencing them at that stage.
I did not experience this but I guess I won't doubt that the phenomenon exists. It is certainly not ALL youngsters, but maybe a good chunk (maybe majority maybe not).
And while I did not experience any homosexuality or experimentation in my youth, I was in public school around girls, so I do wonder whether it is more common when sexes are separated and there are no girls to interact with and look at. That's just a guess but I think it may cause more confusion as youngsters develop in puberty if they are separated from the opposite sex.
I remember when I became attracted to girls in grade school, and part of that was the fact that I saw them in class and there's a certain mystique about them since you are accustomed to being friends with guys and that's a normal every day thing, but with the 'pretty girl' it was different...
I do agree that whatever extent to which this phenomenon occurs, it is important to keep the queer-promotion influences out of the picture at that point and let the guy grow into himself naturally without being pressured or "encouraged" to be gay by outside forces.
I disagree with you... I went to school both in public school co-ed and to a boys private middle school. I find that there is more homosexuality in co-education classes.
I don't know if this is true today... This was 20 years ago...
I think that the amount of homosexuality at a school has most to do with the school's values. I go to a public high school in a very liberal city, and there are a lot of gay people at my school. The school encourages homosexuality. There are several school events having to do with gays. From first through eighth grade, I went to a "Conservative" Jewish school, and I don't remember there being any gays at that school. Even though it was Conservative, they at least didn't promote homosexuality the way they do at the public schools.
I also disagree with David. I started being attracted to girls in fifth grade, and I don't remember anybody I knew at that age acting in any way homosexual.
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It was a gay counseling group that wanted to help gay teens to be proud of being gay...not gay teens to work on living a normal life and not act inappropriately with those of the same sex...
People here are right that homosexuality should not be promoted, but that also does not seem to be what that center was about. From what I have read it was a place for people who already idenitified themselves with the gay movement to get counseling and help with their problems. These people need help. This wasn't a gay nightclub.
And yes, the in-your-face gay activist point of view is abhorrent. And that is all over the story here too. Immediately the activists "take up arms" against Shas and the religious community and anyone else they can blame, it's like they don't even care about the guys who were killed, they just grasp for the political opportunism while it's still ripe. These activists are making a big mistake. And tragically it is causing people here to 'identify' with this murder due to their resentment of the gay agenda and now the gay agenda's association with this crime scene. The murder could have been a jilted lover, a drug or mafia related incident, an angry relative, an arab, a person who is against gays...... could have been anything. Either way, murder is wrong. People here should not celebrate a murder. Especially not one like this which advances the cause of the gay-agenda....
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Believe me. If you ask a gay person if he wished he had a cure for being gay he would tear a new one for you.
There is no need to treat them with disdain. While it is who they are to be that way they're behavior is extremely inapprpriate and should be discouraged. There is no cure just like there is cure for men who are susceptible to sleep around or do other bad immoral things. One needs to be able to control their desires from certain temptations. The same are for men or women who have homosexual inclinations. With that being said I'm glad that homo club was attacked. Too bad it wasn't destroyed all together. The people in that club were proud about their inappropriate behavior.
Fyi a lot of movies in israel are pro gay or about accepting ones gay sexuality and acting on it instead of accepting their sexuality and supressing it
Dan, you hear all the time about gay people trying to change and failing, but what we are forgetting is that the vast, vast majority of gays never even try to control themselves. Most give into those desires (whether secretly or openly and proudly), and some of them actually deliberately choose to have sex with the same sex even though they are attracted to the opposite sex. The overwhelming majority of homosexuals don't resist it at all and should not be coddled.
Perhaps I can shed some light on this. I know a handful of gay men. Most of them are otherwise decent people and I want to get that straight. There homosexual behavior is inappropriate just as are many other private sins normal men do such as masturbation, sleeping around, and even worse cheating on their spouses. Sexual desire as well as the desire to not want to be lonely is only natural for men to feel...homosexual men fall under that category. If this is the way they are, I can tell you that with most it is pretty much impossible to change them into hetero...it's like changing a hetero person into a homo...They find the man's shape to be attractive and the woman's unattractive which leads me to believe that there something going in their brain that is pathological.
Nevertheless, every human being should avoid doing sinful things...and shouldn't go about proudly admitting to doing it like it's normal.
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I can not believe that some of you would say that this criminal act was a good and decent thing! >:( Wake up people! I would appreciate if Chaim would comment on this so that we don't look like bunch of kooks! These were children, Jewish children that this animal was shooting at! Whether they were homo or not is immaterial! my take, if the shooter himself could have been gay or arab or crazy loon. I'd much more prefer that he would take his gun and a mask and go shoot at an arab wedding or funeral or something. Who among you are pre-destined not to have gay relatives, children, friends, colleagues, teachers? Why so much hatred toward your fellow human beings? If you think that they deserve punishment for being gay, then judge them, don't murder them! Chaim, please speak up!
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I can not believe that some of you would say that this criminal act was a good and decent thing! >:( Wake up people! I would appreciate if Chaim would comment on this so that we don't look like bunch of kooks! These were children, Jewish children that this animal was shooting at! Whether they were homo or not is immaterial! my take, if the shooter himself could have been gay or arab or crazy loon. I'd much more prefer that he would take his gun and a mask and go shoot at an arab wedding or funeral or something. Who among you are pre-destined not to have gay relatives, children, friends, colleagues, teachers? Why so much hatred toward your fellow human beings? If you think that they deserve punishment for being gay, then judge them, don't murder them! Chaim, please speak up!
I would agree to the point that I would never tell anyone to target innocent people who are gay to shoot them down...but as an incident that took place against those that promote homosexuality in the open, I couldn't careless just as if it were a muslim funeral or wedding. Maybe I'm wrong...it's my internet position...
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I can not believe that some of you would say that this criminal act was a good and decent thing! >:( Wake up people! I would appreciate if Chaim would comment on this so that we don't look like bunch of kooks! These were children, Jewish children that this animal was shooting at! Whether they were homo or not is immaterial! my take, if the shooter himself could have been gay or arab or crazy loon. I'd much more prefer that he would take his gun and a mask and go shoot at an arab wedding or funeral or something. Who among you are pre-destined not to have gay relatives, children, friends, colleagues, teachers? Why so much hatred toward your fellow human beings? If you think that they deserve punishment for being gay, then judge them, don't murder them! Chaim, please speak up!
I would agree to the point that I would never tell anyone to target innocent people who are gay to shoot them down...but as an incident that took place against those that promote homosexuality in the open, I couldn't careless just as if it were a muslim funeral or wedding. Maybe I'm wrong...it's my internet position...
Dear Doc, if it was muslimes who were targeted, I wouldn't remain impartial! I'd love it - they are the scum of the Earth!
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I can not believe that some of you would say that this criminal act was a good and decent thing! >:( Wake up people! I would appreciate if Chaim would comment on this so that we don't look like bunch of kooks! These were children, Jewish children that this animal was shooting at! Whether they were homo or not is immaterial! my take, if the shooter himself could have been gay or arab or crazy loon. I'd much more prefer that he would take his gun and a mask and go shoot at an arab wedding or funeral or something. Who among you are pre-destined not to have gay relatives, children, friends, colleagues, teachers? Why so much hatred toward your fellow human beings? If you think that they deserve punishment for being gay, then judge them, don't murder them! Chaim, please speak up!
I would agree to the point that I would never tell anyone to target innocent people who are gay to shoot them down...but as an incident that took place against those that promote homosexuality in the open, I couldn't careless just as if it were a muslim funeral or wedding. Maybe I'm wrong...it's my internet position...
Dear Doc, if it was muslimes who were targeted, I wouldn't remain impartial! I'd love it - they are the scum of the Earth!
and homosexuals who march proudly on a holy country encouraging more to be like them are scum as well.
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and homosexuals who march proudly on a holy country encouraging more to be like them are scum as well.
I would call them sick, perverted people. Some of them are scum, no doubt about it. This is not an argument to kill them, right?
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and homosexuals who march proudly on a holy country encouraging more to be like them are scum as well.
I would call them sick, perverted people. Some of them are scum, no doubt about it. This is not an argument to kill them, right?
I would call them sick perverted people..I wouldn't call out to target them...nor would i encourage it if someone I knew was plotting to do it. However once something happens that it had already been done, I'm not saddened about it....Just like when gangbangers kill each other..or when muslims kill each other..I'm not saddened by it.
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I can not believe that some of you would say that this criminal act was a good and decent thing! >:( Wake up people! I would appreciate if Chaim would comment on this so that we don't look like bunch of kooks! These were children, Jewish children that this animal was shooting at! Whether they were homo or not is immaterial! my take, if the shooter himself could have been gay or arab or crazy loon. I'd much more prefer that he would take his gun and a mask and go shoot at an arab wedding or funeral or something. Who among you are pre-destined not to have gay relatives, children, friends, colleagues, teachers? Why so much hatred toward your fellow human beings? If you think that they deserve punishment for being gay, then judge them, don't murder them! Chaim, please speak up!
I strongly agree with you. Murder is murder. These two people were murdered.
I do resent the response to the attack by the media, the gay-activists, and the knesset members, who in their political opportunism used this tragedy to promote hatred against religious Jews and to promote the furtherance of the gay agenda in society. It is inappropriate and I think it cheapens the whole thing, as they don't seem to concerned about the victims but instead ready to jump out and throw accusations around.
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I would call them sick perverted people..I wouldn't call out to target them...nor would i encourage it if someone I knew was plotting to do it. However once something happens that it had already been done, I'm not saddened about it....Just like when gangbangers kill each other..or when muslims kill each other..I'm not saddened by it.
Dr. Dan, I really disagree with you there.
Kahane-Was-Right BT, I am in 100% agreement with you! Here is protest/vigil in San Francisco. These feeble minds never commemorate deaths of other Jews, only when a "hate crime" is directed against their gay brethren, these scumbag "rabbis" feel energized to march! >:(
http://sfjcf.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/lgbt-shooting-vigil/
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I would call them sick perverted people..I wouldn't call out to target them...nor would i encourage it if someone I knew was plotting to do it. However once something happens that it had already been done, I'm not saddened about it....Just like when gangbangers kill each other..or when muslims kill each other..I'm not saddened by it.
Dr. Dan, I really disagree with you there.
Kahane-Was-Right BT, I am in 100% agreement with you! Here is protest/vigil in San Francisco. These feeble minds never commemorate deaths of other Jews, only when a "hate crime" is directed against their gay brethren, these scumbag "rabbis" feel energized to march! >:(
http://sfjcf.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/lgbt-shooting-vigil/
I think for this subject we should hear what the Jewish perspective is according to Chaim...why don't we find that out..maybe a good ask JTF question..
I'm not going to discount your opinion...but i would like to know what the proper feeling should be.
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Ok it's my turn.
Madmarv, faggots are not born that way. I am so sick of hearing this excuse!
Now if a person is born with 2 sex organs then and only then would I accept their gender identity crisis. HOMOSEXUALITY is a PERVERSION that feeds upon itself just like jealousy for example, or a drug addiction. Fags choose to be fags because they are excited about it and don't give a hoot about what is right or wrong. All they care about is their sexual gratification and nothing else.
Now about Israels acceptance of fagness....who gave the self hating Nazi Jews the right to make G-d's land filthy?
Who the hell are these so called Jews that took Israel away from her people and gave it to muslims, fags and G-d knows who else?
I am glad there was an attack on that fag club. There should be an all out civil war in Israel to dispose of the Nazi Jewish Leaders and those who wish to make Israel dirty. I wish death upon those who think they can shove their sins into the faces of those who truly love G-d.
Trying to make people accept sodomy and fagness is NAZISM!
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It remains to be see if some were born gay or developed gayness over time...I'm sure there is a combination of two things.
Ok it's my turn.
Madmarv, faggots are not born that way. I am so sick of hearing this excuse!
Now if a person is born with 2 sex organs then and only then would I accept their gender identity crisis. HOMOSEXUALITY is a PERVERSION that feeds upon itself just like jealousy for example, or a drug addiction. Fags choose to be fags because they are excited about it and don't give a hoot about what is right or wrong. All they care about is their sexual gratification and nothing else.
Now about Israels acceptance of fagness....who gave the self hating Nazi Jews the right to make G-d's land filthy?
Who the hell are these so called Jews that took Israel away from her people and gave it to muslims, fags and G-d knows who else?
I am glad there was an attack on that fag club. There should be an all out civil war in Israel to dispose of the Nazi Jewish Leaders and those who wish to make Israel dirty. I wish death upon those who think they can shove their sins into the faces of those who truly love G-d.
Trying to make people accept sodomy and fagness is NAZISM!
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Ok it's my turn.
Madmarv, faggots are not born that way. I am so sick of hearing this excuse!
Now if a person is born with 2 sex organs then and only then would I accept their gender identity crisis. HOMOSEXUALITY is a PERVERSION that feeds upon itself just like jealousy for example, or a drug addiction. Fags choose to be fags because they are excited about it and don't give a hoot about what is right or wrong. All they care about is their sexual gratification and nothing else.
Now about Israels acceptance of fagness....who gave the self hating Nazi Jews the right to make G-d's land filthy?
Who the hell are these so called Jews that took Israel away from her people and gave it to muslims, fags and G-d knows who else?
I am glad there was an attack on that fag club. There should be an all out civil war in Israel to dispose of the Nazi Jewish Leaders and those who wish to make Israel dirty. I wish death upon those who think they can shove their sins into the faces of those who truly love G-d.
Trying to make people accept sodomy and fagness is NAZISM!
First, I hate how you relate everything opposes to jews or israel as NAZISM, its not. Sometimes its personal opinion nothing less, nothing more.
Second, you don't know for sure if people born like this or not, most probebly its both, and even if they don't get born with this, you have no right of accusing them of anything, except I would agree with you not to normalize this into the mainstream of any society, because its indeed something abnormal and should not be accepted "normally", however, that doesn't mean we should hate them or treat them like animals or UFOs, you have (neither anybody else) no idea how they become like this, you have no idea how to prevent it or make it go, then, you have no right of condemning them at all. Saying they choose to be like that is SO untrue, the so called "proud-gays" are probebly gays that was sick and tired of trying to be normal heterosexuals like others but they apparently failed. Your judgment is unfair, your claims are unfair, we DO know and acknowledge this abnormality, but you've got a wrong idea of how to handle it. Don't accept it, don't embrace it, however, understand it.
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Ok it's my turn.
Madmarv, faggots are not born that way. I am so sick of hearing this excuse!
Doesn't justify murdering them, even if that is true.
As to whether that is the case, I am not convinced that 100% of cases are either way.... I think, and this is only conjecture, that some ARE born with a certain inclination (not necessarily always "born gay" either, but with inclinations), while others are not and develop it due to environment. It seems to me most likely that it is a mix, a spectrum, it's not black and white like the gay activists would have it, nor like their fundamentalist enemies would have it.
But either way, it doesn't justify murdering people. Who gave license to do that?
Fags choose to be fags because they are excited about it and don't give a hoot about what is right or wrong. All they care about is their sexual gratification and nothing else.
But this is not true for all of them. There are people who are brought up religious, who develop feelings or identity issues and begin to think they are gay, or they are actually attracted to the same sex, and it bothers them because they know it's wrong. They get counseling, try to hide it, etc.... Many of them try many things, some things work some things don't. Some people can be helped and some can't. There is an organization JONAH that specializes in trying to help these people get past their inclinations toward being gay.
Now about Israels acceptance of fagness....who gave the self hating Nazi Jews the right to make G-d's land filthy?
Who the hell are these so called Jews that took Israel away from her people and gave it to muslims, fags and G-d knows who else?
Well no one agrees with that or likes that Israel's govt has empowered muslim nazi terrorists or that some elements in the govt try to create a culture that promotes hedonism and "gay culture" in society. But their creating a favorable environment for expressions of homosexuality in certain parts of the country has nothing to do with the issue at hand. It doesn't mean someone can go and blindly kill gay people.
I am glad there was an attack on that fag club. There should be an all out civil war in Israel to dispose of the Nazi Jewish Leaders and those who wish to make Israel dirty. I wish death upon those who think they can shove their sins into the faces of those who truly love G-d.
Trying to make people accept sodomy and fagness is NAZISM!
Jews (those who follow G-d's commandments) operate according to halacha, not according to whim. Just because someone is evil or you don't like them, or they've done something bad, does not mean you can murder them. There are only certain instances when one can kill another person - in self-defense, and that includes being at war with a group of people. There is NOT a civil war among Jews right now, nor should there be.
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I don't think that they should be murdered, but they certainly should be locked up as a mental health danger to themselves/others. It is an abomination that the Chosen Nation tolerates this bizarre perversion. Maybe some of them are naturally more tempted to this, just like every human being by birth and nature is tempted by some sins more than others, but still, every single human being has free will and can choose to resist or indulge. The vast majority of homosexuals do not make any effort to fight their feelings.
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I do understand it Marv. I understand that G-d forbids homosexuality and there is a reason for that.
If G-d wanted men to be together they would be able to produce children together.
Who has the right to demand I accept anything other than the truth?
I refuse to accept their lifestyle and I still stand by the fact it's a SIN and a PERVERSION!
there are extremely rare cases where a baby is born with 2 sex organs, then and only then I could understand a gender identity crisis or a desire to be with the same sex due to the birth defect.
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I refuse to accept their lifestyle and I still stand by the fact it's a SIN and a PERVERSION!
I don't think anyone here argued against that. I sure didn't.
But we can't go around shooting up car thiefs, wife beaters, etc either.... Even if at times people might feel that they deserve it.
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The other thing to remember is that faggots are generally Jew-hating anti-Semites, including the Jewish ones. Every single queer in Israel marches for the Philistines.
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The other thing to remember is that faggots are generally Jew-hating anti-Semites, including the Jewish ones. Every single queer in Israel marches for the Philistines.
Not true.
There is a very rightwing patriotic Jew who posts on Arutz Sheva blogs (or at least he used to quite frequently), who was completely against the arabs and all land-for-peace deals, but he was not religious and considered himself a homosexual. He also had his own blog.
It's only one example but it just goes to show that you can't make these kind of assumptions. The 'activist' type gays are certainly more prone to anti-Israel and pro-Arab sentiment. Rank-and-file gays who don't push their agenda and don't "march" everywhere: not necessarily. The guy that used to post there also readily admitted that about gay-activists...
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That's one exception. By and large they are supremely self-hating. Of course, anybody who indulges such a vile behavior is self-hating no matter how good their other positions may be.
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The other thing to remember is that faggots are generally Jew-hating anti-Semites, including the Jewish ones. Every single queer in Israel marches for the Philistines.
Not true.
There is a very rightwing patriotic Jew who posts on Arutz Sheva blogs (or at least he used to quite frequently), who was completely against the arabs and all land-for-peace deals, but he was not religious and considered himself a homosexual. He also had his own blog.
It's only one example but it just goes to show that you can't make these kind of assumptions. The 'activist' type gays are certainly more prone to anti-Israel and pro-Arab sentiment. Rank-and-file gays who don't push their agenda and don't "march" everywhere: not necessarily. The guy that used to post there also readily admitted that about gay-activists...
Are you talking about SK? I think he is gay and he posts a lot on A7...
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The other thing to remember is that faggots are generally Jew-hating anti-Semites, including the Jewish ones. Every single queer in Israel marches for the Philistines.
Not true.
There is a very rightwing patriotic Jew who posts on Arutz Sheva blogs (or at least he used to quite frequently), who was completely against the arabs and all land-for-peace deals, but he was not religious and considered himself a homosexual. He also had his own blog.
It's only one example but it just goes to show that you can't make these kind of assumptions. The 'activist' type gays are certainly more prone to anti-Israel and pro-Arab sentiment. Rank-and-file gays who don't push their agenda and don't "march" everywhere: not necessarily. The guy that used to post there also readily admitted that about gay-activists...
Are you talking about SK? I think he is gay and he posts a lot on A7...
That is the guy I was referring to. Rightwing gay guy.
Also as a famous example Dr. Allan Bloom was said to be a homosexual, and he was against many of the liberal-fad politics like feminazi movement, affirmative action, etc. It just made me think of this and I love his book so I figure I'll point him out as well.
His book "Closing the American Mind" is an amazing book that clarifies the American education system and the prevalent points of view in society that have changed American way of life over the years. He wrote this book from the perspective of observing the students he taught in university over several decades. He does not pull any punches, and I think he paints a good picture of where things were in the mid 1980's..... And I think now these phenomena he was describing have only increased. Even though himself a secular guy and reportedly gay person, he speaks about the spiritual void created in American society by the breakdown of social order and traditional beliefs, and the breakdown of family, and its contribution to the failure/erosion of liberal arts education and the liberal arts student him/herself...
I highly recommend this book, I was about half-way through. Fascinating.
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Here's a blurb from editorial reviews on the link on amazon.
"From Publishers Weekly
This work by a University of Chicago professor was a bestseller in cloth. According to PW, "marred by the author's biases, this jeremiad laments the decay of the humanities, the decline of the family and students' spiritual rootlessness and unconnectedness to traditions."
Copyright 1988 Reed Business Information, Inc. "
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I never said that fags should be shot....I did say that homosexuality should not be allowed in Israel. If the Israeli Government allows fags to run free in Israel to spread their perversion, the Israeli Government should be taken over by a Religious Conservative Government.
Enough is enough. If fags want their freedom to be fags, I suggest they go to some deserted Island where they can't bother anyone.
Shalom - Dox
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Israel allows Jews to eat treif, be machalel shabbos, and speak lashon hora, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY??? >:(
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Hell, they even let those murderous muslim nazis to LIVE in Israel for FREE and u folks think homosexuality is the issue?
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It's not the issue but it's a big symptom of the issue (institutional Israeli self-hatred).
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It's one of MANY issues. Fags are no different than any sinner. The punishment for breaking Yom Kippur is Kares, you know.
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It's a particularly flagrant and grotesque sin though.
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Every form of going against the Torah is. Just because it involves 2 guys getting it on doesn't mean it's any worse than, say, doing a non-jew.
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Every form of going against the Torah is. Just because it involves 2 guys getting it on doesn't mean it's any worse than, say, doing a non-jew.
:o :yuck: :D
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The prohibition of homosexuality comes from the Torah. That very same Torah provides 613 mitzvot. U can't just single out homosexuality because it's vulgar but not say a peep regarding the other commandments they don't do/transgress. The Torah was made as an anecdote to fight the yetzer hara. Maybe if we put more energy into them putting on tefilin instead of screaming at them for being queer, their neshamas would gain something meaningful.
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Is there any news about the butcher? Maybe was he an Arab Moslem?