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Title: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: White Israelite on August 10, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
I'm a bit disturbed recently with some of the threads/posts on the forum. Quite frankly, I would love for everyone to question themselves, how they are helping this movement, and what they are doing to change the western world and save it from Islamic influence.

I see all these posts by "new" members and a few older members as well that are contributing to this "trolling/spam war" against our opposition. Lets face it, we are a movement made up of Jewish and righteous Gentiles that fight and defend Torah and moral values.

We need to rehash everything. The movement and what it stands for is fine, but some members are destroying and opposing the very thing JTF stands for.

While we have members who continue to throw around the term 'homosexuals' 'pedophiles' 'rapists' at everyone who posts fabricated lies about our people (telling us the holocaust never happened, telling us we are khazars, telling us we are the cause for war and the problems), the enemy is winning this war regardless if you think so or not. We're not making new friends or attracting new members to this forum with the childish games. I've invited several members to this forum in the past who will never come back, because of the content posted by a few members I won't name. These people were military, law enforcement, Jews, Christians, and people who opposed what the enemy is doing, and they left because they didn't want to associate themselves with those "few" members that ruin the movement for the rest of us.

It's time for certain "individuals" to grow up.

Start asking yourself, what have you done for this movement, what can you do starting tomorrow? 

I can tell you what i've done, i've continued to educate individuals here about what is happening with our gun laws, how to properly defend yourself, staying law abiding, and keeping activist information on the forum on recent court cases. I donate to the NRA, JPFO, and write my congressmen all the time to oppose new laws that are drafted. I also inform other individuals and they inform other individuals as a domino effect.

Quite frankly, as a law abiding movement and an organization representing Jewish values, we need to state FACTS. Counter the enemies so called "facts" with our own, stop calling others silly names, it makes us look silly, and rather embarrassing at that. The idea isn't to appease your enemy or even impress them, it's to get those people sitting on the fence interested in our movement. The youth are the future of this country, and we're not going to get anywhere when we're calling everyone pedophiles, homosexuals or whores.

Do not make me your enemy, I am the friend of the Jewish people because I was born of a Jewish mother and father, I trace my lineage to the Israelites and am very proud of that.

This movement consists of the people. If you can't do it for the JTF, do it for G-d and yourselves. Remember we are people of the book, these childish insults are not like us at all. I'd expect this with some Aztlan movement, but not with the JTF.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: muman613 on August 10, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
Shalom White Israelite,

I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. Intelligent people seek intelligent people and they don't get caught up in childish name-calling or trolling. When I joined JTF I envisioned this, that we should present intelligent topics to a intelligent audience. I have said that spelling and grammar are important in order to convey our message in an adult manner.

I must say that some JTF members can learn from you....

Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Daleksfearme on August 10, 2009, 09:19:16 PM
As I have stated in other posts, I tend to be more receptive to a more Spock like approach. I think that the facts can stand on their own without the undo emotion.

For example - It does not make sense to allow a large group of people who have repeatedly called for the death of the Jewish people and Israel to be allowed a foothold in the heartland of Israel. This is a recipe for disaster. but I feel as though we can approach this and other issues from a high moral and rational ground.

We can defend without sinking to the level of the street and , in the end, I think the message will be more effective on the whole. It is, of course, very difficult to maintain composure when hearing of a terrible event, but a controlled and focused response is always the best route.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: ~Hanna~ on August 10, 2009, 09:25:58 PM
Ok, sorry.... ;D I got sucked in....

Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Mandamus on August 11, 2009, 12:42:04 AM
Agreed. Good to hear (and read) a voice of reason here.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 12:44:48 AM
Hey Mr. "Voice Of Reason" (yeah, I'm talking to you, Man's Anus):

Before we indulge your butt any longer, answer this--do you believe that the Holocaust happened, yes/no?

Please answer this before posting anything else.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: The One and Only Mo on August 11, 2009, 12:47:13 AM
Would he actually say no,lol?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Mishmaat on August 11, 2009, 01:18:00 AM
Hey Mr. "Voice Of Reason" (yeah, I'm talking to you, Man's Anus):

Before we indulge your butt any longer, answer this--do you believe that the Holocaust happened, yes/no?

Please answer this before posting anything else.

"It happened, BUT only [insert grossly understated figure here] actually were murdered..."

It's only a matter of time before I ban this fellow. I have zero tolerance for Nazis. In fact, ideally and from a halachic standpoint, they should all be killed. I've never been in the business of making friends and influencing people. Especially members of S.F.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 01:29:08 AM
I agree. Aren't Jews ordered to wipe out Amalek?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Mandamus on August 11, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Boyana on August 11, 2009, 10:40:39 AM
I haven't really said much about this 'til now because I didn't want to upset/offend anyone and I know many of you all are gonna disagree wtih me, but I felt the need to be honest about how I was feeling. I really do respect you all opinions and I hope everyone continues to do what is best for them and what they feel is right.
We will soon be short of brave,smart,educated members if we continue like this.
We have moral values,which I respect here at JFT
I hope we will bring more great memebers here,but with please look at some topic here.
We need to find the best way to fix the problem.
Love and peace to you all.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lisa on August 11, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Mandamus, Bonesfan asked you a simple question.  Do you, or do you not believe that the Holocaust happened? 

Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: The One and Only Mo on August 11, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?


steeeeeeeerike two
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lisa on August 11, 2009, 10:51:54 AM
Another question for you, Mandamus. 

Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist?  Or do you still believe that Israel lost its right to exist in 135 AD, as you mentioned over at S.F?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Mandamus on August 11, 2009, 11:24:50 AM
Hi Lisa, I had a nice long reply to your question last night, but the thread was deleted by the time I hit Send.

This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."

You know what it's called when you feel you have to check and see if someone is "thinking correctly"?...

...Fascism.

Now MY question was a mere academic one. ;)
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Moshe92 on August 11, 2009, 11:27:18 AM
Do you believe that the Holocaust happened? Yes or no.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Dr. Dan on August 11, 2009, 11:30:28 AM
Hi Lisa, I had a nice long reply to your question last night, but the thread was deleted by the time I hit Send.

This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."

You know what it's called when you feel you have to check and see if someone is "thinking correctly"?...

...Fascism.

Now MY question was a mere academic one. ;)


Wait hold on one sec...you never answered the question..it requires a yes or no answer..

Do you believe the Jewish Holocaust is a fabricated event or a real one? Does Israel have the right to exist as a Jewish state?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lisa on August 11, 2009, 11:37:35 AM
Mandamus,

I moved the thread because I don't want any unwelcome attention from your comrades in S.F.  I don't think it should have been posted in the first place.  But anyway...

I sense sarcasm in your writing.  

Let me remind you that this is Chaim Pen Pesach's forum.  He pays for the hosting and the bandwidth.  As an administrator, I'm here to make sure the forum is run according to his wishes. Chaim is a right wing, zionist Jew who hates nazis with a passion (as we all do here).  And the fact that you're refusing to answer a simple question shows you to be a clever white supremacist, as opposed to the shrieking and raving kind.  

As far as I'm concerned, the nazis got off way too lightly for their crimes against Jews, slavs, and anyone else they considered "undesirable."  So for you to say that you have every right to question our "dogma" is nothing more than an attempt to whitewash what your beloved Hitler and his minions did.  

You may say, there were only 600,000 Jews that died rather than six million.  Does that make it OK in your eyes?  
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lisa on August 11, 2009, 11:42:45 AM
Notice how Mandamus also threw out the "F" word?

What is it with S.F'ers lecturing other people on free speech and censorship? 

This forum is owned by Chaim Ben Pesach, and I'm one of his administrators.  Considering that he's paying for the hosting, he has every right to decide who stays here and who gets thrown out, if he doesn't like the drivel they post.  As another example, if I were to go on your beloved S.F. and say that all w.n.'s suck, I would be banned immediately. 

Free speech only means that the government can't punish me for most forms of speech. 
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: ~Hanna~ on August 11, 2009, 11:53:46 AM
OH, DON'T EVEN TRY TO PULL THAT CRAP HERE, OK?

NOT ONE OF US BELIEVE'S THE HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN.

TAKE YOUR BS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

thanks.

 >:(

Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?

Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: The One and Only Mo on August 11, 2009, 11:55:11 AM
Notice how Mandamus also threw out the "F" word?

What is it with S.F'ers lecturing other people on free speech and censorship? 

This forum is owned by Chaim Ben Pesach, and I'm one of his administrators.  Considering that he's paying for the hosting, he has every right to decide who stays here and who gets thrown out, if he doesn't like the drivel they post.  As another example, if I were to go on your beloved S.F. and say that all w.n.'s suck, I would be banned immediately. 

Free speech only means that the government can't punish me for most forms of speech. 
Why is he still here?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
all w.n.'s suck
And they all sw... oh, forget it, I won't go there.  ;D
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?
I will consider this to be an answer to my question, Man's Anus.

Now aren't you getting late for your syphilis-screening appointment?
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 12:02:52 PM
Man's Anus, I have to agree with Lisa that it's hypocritical for you to preach to us about "fascism" when you are by definition a fascist. Yes, honey, National Socialism is fascism (and Marxism). You want an all-powerful, tyrannical regime in place that will put Jews and all dissenters to Nazism to death. Therefore your phony moralizing here rings hollow.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: The One and Only Mo on August 11, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Hi Lisa, I had a nice long reply to your question last night, but the thread was deleted by the time I hit Send.

This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."

You know what it's called when you feel you have to check and see if someone is "thinking correctly"?...

...Fascism.

Now MY question was a mere academic one. ;)

You know what it's called when somebody goes to a forum they have nothing in common with? Mental retardation.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Dr. Dan on August 11, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
He's got to go...
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 12:21:59 PM
This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."
I want you to tell me how much freedom of speech dissenters had in your beloved Reich.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lisa on August 11, 2009, 12:47:19 PM
Mandamus has been banned. 
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Off now to his favorite gay bar to drown his sorrows...
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: ~Hanna~ on August 11, 2009, 12:50:23 PM
Someone changed his name.... :::D
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: The One and Only Mo on August 11, 2009, 12:57:09 PM
Mandamus has been banned. 
:jump: :jump: :jump: :clap: :clap: :clap: :celebrate: :celebrate:
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: syyuge on August 11, 2009, 01:46:07 PM
Es war ein Bustard... :)
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on August 11, 2009, 02:16:51 PM
Off now to his favorite gay bar to drown his sorrows...

And possibly date Jeff Rense.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on August 11, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
Did the holocaust happen?
Why not answer that question once and for all with hard evidence (which I don't have)?
Some indisputable facts.
Some certifiable photos.
That way, "did it happen", will no longer be a question.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: White Israelite on August 11, 2009, 02:52:16 PM
I doubt he's going to answer it now that he's banned, but thanks everyone for sticking to the original topic....
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 11, 2009, 03:00:38 PM
Yes these childish insults need to stop.
People need to grow up
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 11, 2009, 03:01:40 PM
PLEASE GO FLAG, RATE AND FLAG THE IMAGE OF THIS GUY....

HE SAYS HE GOT THE JTF ACCOUNT SUSPENDED....AND WILL SUSPEND ALL THE JTF ACCOUNTS.

SO, LET US GET HIM SUSPENDED.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce (http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce)
Done
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on August 11, 2009, 03:33:45 PM
PLEASE GO FLAG, RATE AND FLAG THE IMAGE OF THIS GUY....

HE SAYS HE GOT THE JTF ACCOUNT SUSPENDED....AND WILL SUSPEND ALL THE JTF ACCOUNTS.

SO, LET US GET HIM SUSPENDED.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce (http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce)

Please you already posted it and it is irrelevant to this thread. 
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on August 11, 2009, 04:46:00 PM
I am not quite sure what what is meant by childish insults on this tread.

When I say islam is a cult of death and destruction, I am bringing forth a fact,
and I do not see that fact as an insult. When I say muslims are nazis that also is
a fact.

When I post quotes such as : ' Liberals are so open minded their brains have fallen out '
or ' obama is evil as hell ' I do not see those statements as insults because it is the truth.

When I call homosexuals fags, I am not making childish insults, I am letting people know homosexuality is a perversion.
Is that insulting? I am not sure, that is why I am asking what comments for example would be considered childish?

Any inputs would be appreciated....


                                                 Shalom - Dox
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: ~Hanna~ on August 11, 2009, 05:14:56 PM
Thankyou AH....

PLEASE GO FLAG, RATE AND FLAG THE IMAGE OF THIS GUY....

HE SAYS HE GOT THE JTF ACCOUNT SUSPENDED....AND WILL SUSPEND ALL THE JTF ACCOUNTS.

SO, LET US GET HIM SUSPENDED.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce (http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce)
Done
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: ~Hanna~ on August 11, 2009, 05:15:44 PM
Maybe you could just ignore it nexttime instead of using it to chastise me, thanks.  >:(

PLEASE GO FLAG, RATE AND FLAG THE IMAGE OF THIS GUY....

HE SAYS HE GOT THE JTF ACCOUNT SUSPENDED....AND WILL SUSPEND ALL THE JTF ACCOUNTS.

SO, LET US GET HIM SUSPENDED.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce (http://www.youtube.com/user/JTFjewishTERRORforce)

Please you already posted it and it is irrelevant to this thread. 
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: White Israelite on August 11, 2009, 05:26:49 PM
I am not quite sure what what is meant by childish insults on this tread.

When I say islam is a cult of death and destruction, I am bringing forth a fact,
and I do not see that fact as an insult. When I say muslims are nazis that also is
a fact.

When I post quotes such as : ' Liberals are so open minded their brains have fallen out '
or ' obama is evil as hell ' I do not see those statements as insults because it is the truth.

When I call homosexuals fags, I am not making childish insults, I am letting people know homosexuality is a perversion.
Is that insulting? I am not sure, that is why I am asking what comments for example would be considered childish?

Any inputs would be appreciated....


                                                 Shalom - Dox

Not that in particular, if one can back up the facts, that's fine. But calling anyone we dislike or who hates us a "fag" or "homosexual" when there are not facts to back it up is immature.

That would be like me saying "Y'S Bill Clinton the faggot homosexual!" because he bombed Serbia, did I dislike Clinton? Sure, but theres no evidence he was ever a homosexual.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on August 11, 2009, 05:29:55 PM
I am not quite sure what what is meant by childish insults on this tread.

When I say islam is a cult of death and destruction, I am bringing forth a fact,
and I do not see that fact as an insult. When I say muslims are nazis that also is
a fact.

When I post quotes such as : ' Liberals are so open minded their brains have fallen out '
or ' obama is evil as hell ' I do not see those statements as insults because it is the truth.

When I call homosexuals fags, I am not making childish insults, I am letting people know homosexuality is a perversion.
Is that insulting? I am not sure, that is why I am asking what comments for example would be considered childish?

Any inputs would be appreciated....


                                                 Shalom - Dox

Not that in particular, if one can back up the facts, that's fine. But calling anyone we dislike or who hates us a "fag" or "homosexual" when there are not facts to back it up is immature.

That would be like me saying "Y'S Bill Clinton the faggot homosexual!" because he bombed Serbia, did I dislike Clinton? Sure, but theres no evidence he was ever a homosexual.

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: AsheDina on August 11, 2009, 05:43:34 PM
Well, I had an account with the SF from LONG ago.  I was told by a member that there was a pic of me over there, so I decided to take a look.  Then, I never went back again, except I saw a topic on right wing Jews. Then I didnt go back, but YESTERDAY, some WN posted ME on there, probably saw my profile- I saw that they dont know sh*t from shinola about Jewish people, and who enemies of REAL Zionists are; BOLSHEVIKS. Matter of fact, they think that we are 'all the same'  So, I went to debate, and I just ended up over there as 'just another JEW'  A REAL Zionist goes to Israel, lives and NEVER returns, which is what we are here. We support Jews going to Israel and live with their blood brothers UNLESS you believe that you are suppose to remain to fight for this nation. IMO, Bolshevik-Jews would be FAR better off leaving America and never returning, but Israel wouldnt be good for them, send them to Siberia.

If they (SFs & WNs) come here, it is wise to LET them question, and THEN back it up with facts.  Otherwize they think WE ARE ALL THE SAME, and we aren't.  I am NO Bolshevik, by ANY stretch of the imagination.

Sorry, IF you want to be a strong Kahanist, you must FIGHT and DEBATE these people , RIGHT HERE.

They wont EVER like you, b/c it's in their blood to just hate Jews, OR, they think just b/c these IDIOTS are in power 'represent us' Which they DONT. There is NOBODY in office that represents US AT ALL.  So, you FIGHT THEM BACK, and even if they dont like you, it doesn't matter, because they will still end up respecting for your #1. patriotism & #2. Spirit and #3. Honesty.

Thats enough for me, and it is a good idea to win peoples hearts and minds regarding what REAL Zionism is- not this "ZOG" garbage.  the govt HATES us, HATES REAL Jews, and HATES REAL Christians, they only like JINOS and CINOS. PERIOD!

But, I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander- after all, they banned ME last night--whhaaahhh, JEWS ARE BAD, TELL YOUR DAD....  :P
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on August 11, 2009, 05:47:48 PM
Well, I had an account with the SF from LONG ago.  I was told by a member that there was a pic of me over there, so I decided to take a look.  Then, I never went back again, except I saw a topic on right wing Jews. Then I didnt go back, but YESTERDAY, some WN posted ME on there, probably saw my profile- I saw that they dont know sh*t from shinola about Jewish people, and who enemies of REAL Zionists are; BOLSHEVIKS. Matter of fact, they think that we are 'all the same'  So, I went to debate, and I just ended up over there as 'just another JEW'  A REAL Zionist goes to Israel, lives and NEVER returns, which is what we are here. We support Jews going to Israel and live with their blood brothers UNLESS you believe that you are suppose to remain to fight for this nation. IMO, Bolshevik-Jews would be FAR better off leaving America and never returning, but Israel wouldnt be good for them, send them to Siberia.

If they (SFs & WNs) come here, it is wise to LET them question, and THEN back it up with facts.  Otherwize they think WE ARE ALL THE SAME, and we aren't.  I am NO Bolshevik, by ANY stretch of the imagination.

Sorry, IF you want to be a strong Kahanist, you must FIGHT and DEBATE these people , RIGHT HERE.

They wont EVER like you, b/c it's in their blood to just hate Jews, OR, they think just b/c these IDIOTS are in power 'represent us' Which they DONT. There is NOBODY in office that represents US AT ALL.  So, you FIGHT THEM BACK, and even if they dont like you, it doesn't matter, because they will still end up respecting for your #1. patriotism & #2. Spirit and #3. Honesty.

Thats enough for me, and it is a good idea to win peoples hearts and minds regarding what REAL Zionism is- not this "ZOG" garbage.  the govt HATES us, HATES REAL Jews, and HATES REAL Christians, they only like JINOS and CINOS. PERIOD!

But, I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander- after all, they banned ME last night--whhaaahhh, JEWS ARE BAD, TELL YOUR DAD....  :P

Yeah it really is good to have a debate.  I say debate them until they crap there pants. 
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on August 11, 2009, 08:31:58 PM
Most people do have the proof, but for example I cannot post porn of gays to prove that it is a perversion.
porn is at x rated movies, on the internet, and some is openly displayed at gay parades.

So we know it's out there and it is a perversion...is that not proof enough?

Do we have to tip toe around homeosexuals to not offend them when it is clearly sinful and gross to the rest of us?

If I cannot openly give my views about homosexuality, then it is as good as condoning it in my view.

I am not trying to insult, but I am always going to say exactly how I feel, and if that is considered insulting, then I am guilty in their eyes and their opinions of me do not matter. What matters is what G-d thinks of me.

Is G-d mad at me for passing judgement? I don't know.


                                                               Shalom - Dox   
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: muman613 on August 11, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
Most people do have the proof, but for example I cannot post porn of gays to prove that it is a perversion.
porn is at x rated movies, on the internet, and some is openly displayed at gay parades.

So we know it's out there and it is a perversion...is that not proof enough?

Do we have to tip toe around homeosexuals to not offend them when it is clearly sinful and gross to the rest of us?

If I cannot openly give my views about homosexuality, then it is as good as condoning it in my view.

I am not trying to insult, but I am always going to say exactly how I feel, and if that is considered insulting, then I am guilty in their eyes and their opinions of me do not matter. What matters is what G-d thinks of me.

Is G-d mad at me for passing judgement? I don't know.


                                                               Shalom - Dox   

I don't think that the issue is whether homosexuality is a perversion or not... The issue is that when we deal with opponents the first thing that some people here do is attack the opponents sexuality by implying that they are gay. This is not a good debate tactic and it does little for the person doing the namecalling.

Obviously standing up against immorality is a good thing... But that is beside this point.

Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on August 11, 2009, 08:40:29 PM
Most people do have the proof, but for example I cannot post porn of gays to prove that it is a perversion.
porn is at x rated movies, on the internet, and some is openly displayed at gay parades.

So we know it's out there and it is a perversion...is that not proof enough?

Do we have to tip toe around homeosexuals to not offend them when it is clearly sinful and gross to the rest of us?

If I cannot openly give my views about homosexuality, then it is as good as condoning it in my view.

I am not trying to insult, but I am always going to say exactly how I feel, and if that is considered insulting, then I am guilty in their eyes and their opinions of me do not matter. What matters is what G-d thinks of me.

Is G-d mad at me for passing judgement? I don't know.


                                                               Shalom - Dox   

I don't think that the issue is whether homosexuality is a perversion or not... The issue is that when we deal with opponents the first thing that some people here do is attack the opponents sexuality by implying that they are gay. This is not a good debate tactic and it does little for the person doing the namecalling.

Obviously standing up against immorality is a good thing... But that is beside this point.



Thank you for explaining Muman.

The only people I may have said were gay are the nazis or muslims that come to make trouble. I never call them names unless I see they are harassing our forum members with arguments on behalf of gays, muslims or nazis.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on August 11, 2009, 11:08:02 PM
I am not quite sure what what is meant by childish insults on this tread.

When I say islam is a cult of death and destruction, I am bringing forth a fact,
and I do not see that fact as an insult. When I say muslims are nazis that also is
a fact.

When I post quotes such as : ' Liberals are so open minded their brains have fallen out '
or ' obama is evil as hell ' I do not see those statements as insults because it is the truth.

When I call homosexuals fags, I am not making childish insults, I am letting people know homosexuality is a perversion.
Is that insulting? I am not sure, that is why I am asking what comments for example would be considered childish?

Any inputs would be appreciated....


                                                 Shalom - Dox

Not that in particular, if one can back up the facts, that's fine. But calling anyone we dislike or who hates us a "fag" or "homosexual" when there are not facts to back it up is immature.

That would be like me saying "Y'S Bill Clinton the faggot homosexual!" because he bombed Serbia, did I dislike Clinton? Sure, but theres no evidence he was ever a homosexual.

It would be pretty funny if Clinton was a homo i.e being involved with scandals of having to do with male interns playing with his saxophone. 
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 11:25:08 PM
Muman, in the case of Nazis, there is an extremely strong correlation between sexual deviance and Nazi beliefs/action. Just look at von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter, who was a child-porn aficionado.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: muman613 on August 11, 2009, 11:30:03 PM
Muman, in the case of Nazis, there is an extremely strong correlation between sexual deviance and Nazi beliefs/action. Just look at von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter, who was a child-porn aficionado.

This is true, and I don't deny it. But the original poster was saying that we should concentrate on intelligent discourse instead of quickly resorting to using names. Whether they are homos or not is not the point. That is all I am trying to say here. I support the idea of using facts and intelligence, when possible, to win the argument. Once the opponent stoops to namecalling then I believe that we must fight fire with fire. Remember Laban.

Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: White Israelite on August 11, 2009, 11:53:35 PM
Muman, in the case of Nazis, there is an extremely strong correlation between sexual deviance and Nazi beliefs/action. Just look at von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter, who was a child-porn aficionado.

There hasn't been much information about his collection or logs, i'd wait for further information before jumping to conclusion.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 11, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
There hasn't been much information about his collection or logs, i'd wait for further information before jumping to conclusion.
It was widely reported in the media.
Title: Re: Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?
Post by: The One and Only Mo on August 12, 2009, 09:21:20 AM
Well, I had an account with the SF from LONG ago.  I was told by a member that there was a pic of me over there, so I decided to take a look.  Then, I never went back again, except I saw a topic on right wing Jews. Then I didnt go back, but YESTERDAY, some WN posted ME on there, probably saw my profile- I saw that they dont know sh*t from shinola about Jewish people, and who enemies of REAL Zionists are; BOLSHEVIKS. Matter of fact, they think that we are 'all the same'  So, I went to debate, and I just ended up over there as 'just another JEW'  A REAL Zionist goes to Israel, lives and NEVER returns, which is what we are here. We support Jews going to Israel and live with their blood brothers UNLESS you believe that you are suppose to remain to fight for this nation. IMO, Bolshevik-Jews would be FAR better off leaving America and never returning, but Israel wouldnt be good for them, send them to Siberia.

If they (SFs & WNs) come here, it is wise to LET them question, and THEN back it up with facts.  Otherwize they think WE ARE ALL THE SAME, and we aren't.  I am NO Bolshevik, by ANY stretch of the imagination.

Sorry, IF you want to be a strong Kahanist, you must FIGHT and DEBATE these people , RIGHT HERE.

They wont EVER like you, b/c it's in their blood to just hate Jews, OR, they think just b/c these IDIOTS are in power 'represent us' Which they DONT. There is NOBODY in office that represents US AT ALL.  So, you FIGHT THEM BACK, and even if they dont like you, it doesn't matter, because they will still end up respecting for your #1. patriotism & #2. Spirit and #3. Honesty.

Thats enough for me, and it is a good idea to win peoples hearts and minds regarding what REAL Zionism is- not this "ZOG" garbage.  the govt HATES us, HATES REAL Jews, and HATES REAL Christians, they only like JINOS and CINOS. PERIOD!

But, I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander- after all, they banned ME last night--whhaaahhh, JEWS ARE BAD, TELL YOUR DAD....  :P

I'm starting to think I should check this place out.