So it's fine to create a thread about football but not baseball? :)
The NFL has way more problems with crimes than the other professional sports leagues. Interestingly enough, there are a lot of black players in the NFL. I believe that the number of blacks in the NFL is comparable to the number of blacks in the NBA.
Muman I don't see the images in IE, but it was still a very good post!
Muman I don't see the images in IE, but it was still a very good post!
Try it again!
My father sent me this a few weeks ago. I think it is appropriate for this discussion:
Is It NBA Or NFL?
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36
have been accused of spousal abuse
7
have been arrested for fraud
19
have been accused of writing bad checks
117
have directly or indirectly
bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3
have done time for assault
71,
repeat
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14
have been arrested on drug-related charges
8
have been arrested for shoplifting
21
currently
are defendants in lawsuits, and
84
have been arrested for drunk driving
in
the last year
Can
you guess which organization this is?
Give
up yet? . . Scroll down,
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Neither,
it's the 435 members of the
United States Congress
The
same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.
PS: Do the images display properly? They are from my gmail...
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I will stick to my hockey, we do not have a bunch of this b.s. in this sport.
Then there is of course calcio, and Mo during hockey season.. Ah calcio isn't known for having dog abusers...
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JUVE ALE FORZA AZZURRI
Michael Vick should be holding up a road sign somewhere. The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught, this filthy animal.
Michael Vick should be holding up a road sign somewhere. The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught, this filthy animal.
I must agree with you. I saw his face when he was on Fox this morning....he appeared to be extremely remorseful and his words were apologetic, however this was an act, and any man that has no heart for animals to begin with is a hard hearted person. If Vic had a heart he would never have been involved with the cruel suffering and death of those poor dogs.
I have not forgotten the clips on Fox News of those dogs being torn to pieces.
Michael Vick as you've stated is only sorry for being caught, and not sorry for the cruelty and ill fate of those dogs.
hard hearted people are only remorseful for themselves, that is just a sad fact.
Shalom - Dox
I agree. We all make mistakes and sin, but what's to be said of those who rectify their misdoings? If Vick can't be forgiven for what he did, then how can ANY of us be forgiven for anything we've done. There are 7 steps to teshuva (Mumann you probably can cite them off hand). If he follows through and does good the rest of the way, then good. Let's wait and see before we judge them any further.Michael Vick should be holding up a road sign somewhere. The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught, this filthy animal.
I must agree with you. I saw his face when he was on Fox this morning....he appeared to be extremely remorseful and his words were apologetic, however this was an act, and any man that has no heart for animals to begin with is a hard hearted person. If Vic had a heart he would never have been involved with the cruel suffering and death of those poor dogs.
I have not forgotten the clips on Fox News of those dogs being torn to pieces.
Michael Vick as you've stated is only sorry for being caught, and not sorry for the cruelty and ill fate of those dogs.
hard hearted people are only remorseful for themselves, that is just a sad fact.
Shalom - Dox
But he did admit it was cruel and unethical. He did say he believed it was wrong what he was doing. A lot of athletes will try to make excuses for themselves and try to say that it was regretful and stupid to do what they did (codeword: I don't really think I was wrong but I was stupid to risk it and stupid to get caught, but refuse to admit I acted immorally). That's not what Vick is saying.
Yeah he was cruel and heartless before, but now he's not. What else can he do? Is there no repentance for a person because he's an athlete? How can you say he's not sincere, wouldn't only G-d know that for sure if he was or wasn't? He did terrible things, but so do lot's of people, and they do far worse than this. But most people do not get punished/do not realize their going astray and sincerely stop/repent for it. I give him credit for changing himself.
I agree. We all make mistakes and sin, but what's to be said of those who rectify their misdoings? If Vick can't be forgiven for what he did, then how can ANY of us be forgiven for anything we've done. There are 7 steps to teshuva (Mumann you probably can cite them off hand). If he follows through and does good the rest of the way, then good. Let's wait and see before we judge them any further.Michael Vick should be holding up a road sign somewhere. The only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught, this filthy animal.
I must agree with you. I saw his face when he was on Fox this morning....he appeared to be extremely remorseful and his words were apologetic, however this was an act, and any man that has no heart for animals to begin with is a hard hearted person. If Vic had a heart he would never have been involved with the cruel suffering and death of those poor dogs.
I have not forgotten the clips on Fox News of those dogs being torn to pieces.
Michael Vick as you've stated is only sorry for being caught, and not sorry for the cruelty and ill fate of those dogs.
hard hearted people are only remorseful for themselves, that is just a sad fact.
Shalom - Dox
But he did admit it was cruel and unethical. He did say he believed it was wrong what he was doing. A lot of athletes will try to make excuses for themselves and try to say that it was regretful and stupid to do what they did (codeword: I don't really think I was wrong but I was stupid to risk it and stupid to get caught, but refuse to admit I acted immorally). That's not what Vick is saying.
Yeah he was cruel and heartless before, but now he's not. What else can he do? Is there no repentance for a person because he's an athlete? How can you say he's not sincere, wouldn't only G-d know that for sure if he was or wasn't? He did terrible things, but so do lot's of people, and they do far worse than this. But most people do not get punished/do not realize their going astray and sincerely stop/repent for it. I give him credit for changing himself.
I'd like to examine the Mitzvah of Teshuvah. The Rambam (Laws of Teshuvah chap. II;2) is traditionally quoted as saying that there are three parts to Teshuvah. If one sins and wishes to repent one must first regret what they have done. Secondly, they must commit themselves never to repeat the wrongdoing. And finally they must confess orally the sin they had committed.
Closer examination of the Rambam reveals five steps to Teshuvah not necessarily including the three which are traditionally understood.
"What is Teshuvah?
One must abandon the sin."
The first step in Teshuvah is behavioristic. The first step in recovery for an alcoholic is to stop drinking.
One can go without drinking for days and years and still be an alcoholic. "... And remove it from one's mind." A move inward from deed to thought. Not only must one stop doing the sin but as a second step one must also stop fantasizing and obsessing with it. "... and conclude in one's heart that they will not repeat the sin..."
The Rambam has taken us another step inward, from mind to heart. In the process of integrating a new lifestyle, intellectual resolve does not suffice. Conclusions must travel from mind to heart, from intellect to emotion. "... and one should regret what they have done."
The actual word used in the Rambam is not regret but Vayitnachem . Regret is actually an impossible translation for in fact our sinner has already regretted what they have done. I would like to suggest that the correct translation would be "and one should deal with what they have done." Even after one has seemingly cleansed themselves from a sin behavioristically, intellectually and emotionally there is still work to be done.
If we wish to grow we must look inward and ask ourselves what made us do this sin to begin with. What need or insecurity were we fulfilling. For those of us who speak negatively about others, even though we know it's wrong, we must ask ourselves, why? After we have eradicated the sin we are in a position to ask this question and get down to the very essence of our beings and try to figure out what makes us tick.
At this point we are no longer dealing with what we do but rather with what we are. This can be a very doubtful and uncomfortable time. It is not as black and white as just looking at our deeds. It is here that the Rambam adds a commentary that pierces the heart of the sinner. If you have gone through the process I have prescribed "He who knows the most hidden things will testify that the sinner will never return to this sin again." This is the ultimate in reassurance and closure. God's testimonial to what we have accomplished and His reassurance that we have changed. Finally "We must say with our lips that which we have done with our hearts." I think the epitome of closure and resolve is when we can verbally admit that which we have done.
In short the Rambam does not put forth a formula for erasure and forgiveness but rather a formula for change and growth. The sculpture has been repaired and according to the Talmud actually improved. We are ready to stand before God, to be picked up and admired, even scrutinized and judged as we enter our new challenge on the road to shleimut- perfection.
I'll believe he is truly repentant when he gives 1/2 of his earnings to help take care of abandoned pit bulls, etc.
I'll believe he is truly repentant when he gives 1/2 of his earnings to help take care of abandoned pit bulls, etc.
So anybody that's ever committed a sin or crime has to devote %50 of their wages to the opposite idea?
Only time will tell if the words match the actions.
I saw the press conference, he sounded legitimately sorry. He admits that what he did was wrong, cruel and immoral. Granted you can say what you want about what position he was in , that to do such things was intolerable, etc etc.... but if the guy is truly repentent come on, he served his time. He came off as very humble and very respectful in the interview. Even for those who still won't forgive him he said he understands. That's a nice thing to say, but I don't really understand. He's now working with humane society and trying to clean up some of the dogfighting stuff in the inner city neighborhoods and to tell kids it's not the right thing.... To me there is not much else he can do. I don't think his life should end just because he messed up and did something wrong, even if he is just an athlete. He did his time, he's trying to make amends, so if someone is willing to hire him, let him get hired and try to make a better man out of himself.KWR, I don't want to be disrespectful to you but come on... this is a nasty, vile schvartze cockroach. How many women do you think this pig has raped, and gotten away with? He's gonna say whatever taqqiyah is necessary to get him a lenient sentence and forgiveness from the sports junkies of America, and unfortunately they all bought it. This piece of Amalek shouldn't have been born to begin with (normally I am 100% against abortion, but if we had foreknown that his herpes-infested crack-fiend mama would have given birth to the monstrosity that Michael D**k [yimach schmo] is, I would have emptied out my life savings to pay her to go make an appointment with a saline-filled vacuum cleaner). Yeah, I suppose he could repent (if G-d has not irrevocably locked his heart into evil a la Pharaoh), but come on, what are the odds of that happening? This guy desperately needs to be given a nice, pretty wig, high-heel shoes, and saline injections in his buttocks before being thrown to the janjaweed militias in southern Sudan.
Why on Earth did the Philadelphia Eagles hire him? Do they condone dog fighting?
Something stinks! Giving him the oppertunity to make Millions again is an outrage, especially after his criminal activity was exposed.
I just don't understand this.
Why on Earth did the Philadelphia Eagles hire him? Do they condone dog fighting?
Something stinks! Giving him the oppertunity to make Millions again is an outrage, especially after his criminal activity was exposed.
I just don't understand this.
I understand this...
The great almighty dollar and the American sports franchise... If a player has skills that will bring fans to the game, they will invest millions regardless of moral issues.
Why on Earth did the Philadelphia Eagles hire him? Do they condone dog fighting?
Something stinks! Giving him the oppertunity to make Millions again is an outrage, especially after his criminal activity was exposed.
I just don't understand this.
I understand this...
The great almighty dollar and the American sports franchise... If a player has skills that will bring fans to the game, they will invest millions regardless of moral issues.
That's sad Muman, it sends out a bad message to others who may be involved in illegal activities. They think if they get caught it's no big deal and their jobs will be there for them regardless.
There's a difference between the average immoral celeb and this monstrous ape Vick. Michael D**k savagely tortured innocent animals for kicks. He is the lowest of the low in my opinion. If he can treat defenseless animals this way, what do you think he could do (and probably already has) to human beings?
Michael Vick isn't someone who gave in temptation and made sinful mistakes. If someone steals, drinks heavily, does drugs, and the like; even though they are sins, they are also mistakes people make. They are mistakes that can be rectifited and sometimes good people do these things out of temptation. Michael Vick on the other hand involved himself in torturing and killing innocent animals for his own personal pleasure. He enjoyed watching these terrified animals rip each other appart in the most violent ways imaginable and he enjoyed it. In fact he said that he didn't do anything wrong when confronted about it. He tortured animals to death for fun. This is someone who is very evil and you can tell when you look into his face.
I saw the press conference, he sounded legitimately sorry. He admits that what he did was wrong, cruel and immoral. Granted you can say what you want about what position he was in , that to do such things was intolerable, etc etc.... but if the guy is truly repentent come on, he served his time. He came off as very humble and very respectful in the interview. Even for those who still won't forgive him he said he understands. That's a nice thing to say, but I don't really understand. He's now working with humane society and trying to clean up some of the dogfighting stuff in the inner city neighborhoods and to tell kids it's not the right thing.... To me there is not much else he can do. I don't think his life should end just because he messed up and did something wrong, even if he is just an athlete. He did his time, he's trying to make amends, so if someone is willing to hire him, let him get hired and try to make a better man out of himself.KWR, I don't want to be disrespectful to you but come on... this is a nasty, vile schvartze cockroach. How many women do you think this pig has raped, and gotten away with?
Kahane, you bring up a fair argument.
I suppose I should explain myself.
You are correct, I am not the Almighty, and the odds may be 1 in 100 that he is remorseful for what he has done to those dogs.
I cannot give you higher odd's in Vick's favor simply because I do not understand the act of his cruelty in the first place.
Please forgive me for being so harsh and quick to judge. I will try to work on this flaw I have.
Shalom & G-d Bless!
Dox
Bones, it seems like you've been away from the game for a long time, perhaps too long. Times have changed. Huge black athletes like this don't need to "rape" women. The women practically rape them. They are practically begging this type of man to "hook up" at bars and clubs.... In college, when it's a premier athlete of the school team? Forget about it! It's a done deal. And now a pro athlete... not to mention a pro bowler (allstar of NFL football)..... women are crawling to even say hi.It doesn't change the schvartze in them. Look at Kobe Bryant. He could have had any woman on the planet consensually and yet he raped that hotel worker. They even rape women that would have put out for them if they would have just waited a little longer. The greatest turnon for them is crushing and humiliating a woman.