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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: The One and Only Mo on August 19, 2009, 01:41:05 AM
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Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
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It is a ritual sign that somebody has become born-again; i.e., has converted to Christianity.
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Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
I always believed it was derived from the concept of mikvah...
But I believe that a baby is baptised once and they are 'purified' for life...
It is not quite the same as the Brit, which is a cerimony which marks the Jew for his entire life, and he is reminded each day of the faith of his birth.
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So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
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It is a ritual sign that somebody has become born-again; i.e., has converted to Christianity.
Do you only do it once?
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It is only done once, normally, and different denominations have different ways of doing it. I don't think the Christian Bible gives an explicit formula of how it must be done.
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But I believe that a baby is baptised once and they are 'purified' for life...
Some denominations believe in infant baptism. Others don't. The New Testament itself never shows infant baptism and I personally don't think it serves any purpose. Baptism was originally meant as a sign that someone had converted. A baby can't choose its religion.
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Someone getting baptized is not a victim! You've watched too many Simpsons episodes.
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Someone getting baptized is not a victim! You've watched too many Simpsons episodes.
Haven't watched the Simpsons in years, lol, although I remember that episode. The reason I said "victim" was based on a story line from one of my favorite shows.
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So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
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So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
Sorry. but I can't respond in hebrew.
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So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
Sorry. but I can't respond in hebrew.
I barely read what it meant with my shabby Hebrew skills...
But I also discovered that google has a hebrew->english translation site : http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en
He doesn't know what you mean by this statement... I think it is from some TV show or cartoon or something...
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So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
כלום
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Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?
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So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
Sorry. but I can't respond in hebrew.
I barely read what it meant with my shabby Hebrew skills...
But I also discovered that google has a hebrew->english translation site : http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en
He doesn't know what you mean by this statement... I think it is from some TV show or cartoon or something...
I understand Hebrew, just couldnt respond in hebrew. The reference is from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
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Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?
כולם הערביים למות של סרטן של אשך
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Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?
כולם הערביים למות של סרטן של אשך
Although I figured it would be beitzim instead.
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מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?
Baptisam is not about VICTIMS
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In the New Testament, the first example was John the Baptist, who was in the Jordan river baptizing people....so I think they were totally immersing themselves in the water....
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
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Why were you asking? Just curious.
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
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מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?
Baptisam is not about VICTIMS
I was just making a reference to a TV show. Sorry.
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Why were you asking? Just curious.
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
Because I want to know if originates from the concept of mikveh.
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yes.
Why were you asking? Just curious.
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
Because I want to know if originates from the concept of mikveh.
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Someone getting baptized is not a victim! You've watched too many Simpsons episodes.
Haven't watched the Simpsons in years, lol, although I remember that episode. The reason I said "victim" was based on a story line from one of my favorite shows.
Still you must have realized some would find it offensive here. I would never think it was ok to make fun of or question the Jewish beliefs in a mocking way. I would ask a question in a polite way if I really wanted to understand.
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But I believe that a baby is baptised once and they are 'purified' for life...
Some denominations believe in infant baptism. Others don't. The New Testament itself never shows infant baptism and I personally don't think it serves any purpose. Baptism was originally meant as a sign that someone had converted. A baby can't choose its religion.
Confirmation is a sacrament that reaffirms Baptism. I will never be baptized again, even though I know that some Christians believe I have not been 'saved'. To each his own beliefs. I choose to practice my religion every day. I don't practice it soley because I was baptized.
This 'victim' was introduced to G-d by having a little water sprinkled on her head at a baptismal font.
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I think Mo2388 just didn't know that this ritual is considered holy by Christians.
But I agree that we must be careful not to offend the others. Talmud says "gadol kvod ha-briyot" which means "it is forbidden to humiliate human dignity". This is especially important in our international forum.
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בס"ד
Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?
הלוואי שכל הערבים ימותו מסרטן אשכים.
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Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?
Here Bones:
ן יםפק שךך םכ איק צודךןצד גןק ש יםררןנךק גקשאי
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If one wants a very good depiction or explanation of this subject from a Jewish and early Christian point of view, I'd suggest the book "Jews in the Roman World" by Michael Grant which displays the history of Israel and Jews from start to end of the Roman conquest..
Enjoy...
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I didn't know people would be offended by a reference like that. I will e more careful in the future. Now I know how important it is.
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By the area of Shiloh many Jews used to go to the mikvah [Ritual bath] Like By the Jordan it does come from the Mikveh.BTW Boyanain my poor knowledge of Heb i understood what you wrote
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My sons had Brit milah בְּרִית מִילָה, I would be very upset if some Christians would call them victims.
Religion is not something you do,it is something you are.
Brith milah or baptisam are part what we are.
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My sons had Brit milah בְּרִית מִילָה, I would be very upset if some Christians would call them victims.
Religion is not something you do,it is something you are.
Brith milah or baptisam are part what we are.
Thank You Boyana. Great post.