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Yesterday I learned that a new audio message has been released by 'bin laden'. Of course many suspect that bin laden is long dead and his bones are rotting but someone, probrobly the terrorists of al crudda want to raise the spectre of bin laden for propaganda purposes.
From IsraelNationalNews:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133413
Al-Qaeda Blames 9/11 on US Support for Israel
Elul 25, 5769, 14 September 09 09:28
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
(Israelnationalnews.com)
American support for Israel was the reason for the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States in 2001, according to an audio message purported to be from Osama bin Laden, the leader of the international Al-Qaeda terrorist organization. The whereabouts of Bin Laden are not known, and the video image accompanying the audio featured only a still picture of him.
The title of the audio was, “Message to the American People.” and was released two days after the eighth anniversary of the multiple aerial attacks on the U.S.
"If you think about your situation well, you will know that the White House is occupied by pressure groups," the speaker on the audiotape said. "Rather than fighting to liberate Iraq - as Bush claimed - it (the White House) should have been liberated."
Bin Laden added that U.S. President Barack Obama does not have enough power to change American policies. "The bitter truth is that the neo-Conservatives continue to cast their heavy shadows upon you," he continued. "All we will do is to continue the war of attrition against you on all possible axes, like we exhausted the Soviet Union for ten years until it collapsed with grace from Allah the Almighty and became a memory of the past."
Al-Qaeda Possibly in Lebanon
A terrorist cell claiming to be associated with Al-Qaeda has taken responsibility for two Katyusha attacks on northwestern Israel late Friday afternoon. "Your brothers fired two Katyusha rockets from south Lebanon which landed in the Nahariya settlement in the north of occupied Palestine," claimed the terrorist website.
Al-Qaeda’s numbers are fewer than they were in 2001, according to intelligence analysts, but its leadership remains at large except for the American killing of Mohammed Atef, the terrorist group's military director.
“Al-Qaeda’s affiliates, especially in North Africa and Yemen, have been murderously active," wrote the New Yorker’s Lawrence Wright this week. “The Taliban, Al-Qaeda’s greatest ally, is making a comeback in Afghanistan and threaten much of western Pakistan. The fact that Al-Qaeda is still kicking, twenty-one years after its founding, is a testament to its adaptability - and to the failure of the U.S. and its allies to penetrate the organization.
“Many hope Al-Qaeda has been put to sleep, but the truth is, as long as bin Laden is free, he and his followers pose a threat.
Foreign media reported Monday morning that U.S. forces killed eight terrorists in the third drone attack in a week in the Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan. No senior Taliban or Al-Qaeda leaders were reported to be killed in the latest strikes, but a senior Al-Qaeda leader, Mustafa al Jaziri, may have been killed in an aerial attack last week, according to sources quoted by the Long War Journal.
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He will be a rotten pig in the hell.
BTW if he did 9/11 because of Israel, we could attack Saudi Arabia, and kill its civil population, because of Osama? He is a sick animal.
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Didn't you know that everything is Israel's fault?
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al qaeda has learned how to appeal to "liberal" western sensitivities in a way that is productive for them. They know that the neonazis and far left america-hating arab-loving surrender wimps eat this stuff up.
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I wonder how the liberal Jews will deal with all of this
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(http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AMH/XXI/GWOT/911-Report/img/911Report-30.jpg)
(http://takeaction.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/osama-homer.jpg)
Yimach Shmo Vezichro Osama Bin Laden! >:(
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It's the old trick of the muslims. When they are not trying to convince Jews that Christianity is evil and anti-Jewish, they are trying to convince Christians that Jews are evil and anti-Christian.
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I wonder how the liberal Jews will deal with all of this
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor.
Liberal Jews worship obama & the muslims. The truth is horrifying!.
Shalom & G-d Bless!
Dox
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Weird at this precise moment there are 5911 members.
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Weird at this precise moment there are 5911 members.
And that post was at 2:41:59
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Its 20.50 here now
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I wonder how the liberal Jews will deal with all of this
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor.
I don't believe this is true at all! What is this based on? Could you please show a source or stat to back this up? I think this is downright loony. It is the neonazis (stormfronters) who push this BS that Israel is the reason Al qaeda attacked (if they are not saying Mossad invented al qaeda or Mossad did it). As much as liberal Jews are pro-fakestinian and pro "peace process," they do not buy into the myths about 9/11 pushed by charlatans like 9/11 truthers etc. 9/11 truthers are completely on the fringe and the vast majority of people think they are idiots. If anything liberal Jews might think US involvement in Arab nations partially motivated bin laden. But I have not seen liberal Jews blame Israel or support for Israel for 9/11. Liberal Jews are the ones who usually push the US "aid" packages which actually hurt Israel's independence despite the conventional wisdom that financial aid "helps" Israel. That means they would not admit that such "aid" caused 9/11.... Especially since they still promote this in general. From aipac to the adl. I'm not sure what you are saying here.
Please try to be more informed and exacting in your statements so as not to make "liberal Jews" into some kind of boogeyman. A convenient whipping boy, but unlike certain propaganda says, they are not the root of all evil.
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I see, what you are telling me is that liberals Jews support Israel...yet those same liberal Jews voted a muslim ( anti semetic ) into the White House....does that make any sense to you.
Liberal jews who voted for obama knew he was a muslim, but they didn't care and those same liberal jews here in the US and in Israel are all for giving more land away to the palestinians...does that make sense to you?
perhaps you are refering to a different BREED of liberal Jews???
I didn't know they existed.
Shalom - Dox
P.S. My sister in law is a Liberal Jew and she supports Israel and at the same time she argues that islam is a religion of peace and that most muslims are peaceful. If she supports Israel why does she support Israel's enemies?
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I see, what you are telling me is that liberals Jews support Israel...yet those same liberal Jews voted a muslim ( anti semetic ) into the White House....does that make any sense to you.
No, what I said was that "liberal Jews" do not blame Israel for 9/11. They do ostentiously promote "support" for Israel, even if they do think that support can include pressure to make peace with Arabs. Yup, that about sums them up.
And if you want a reason, it is largely because they get the idea from the Israeli left, that peace with arabs is a good thing that is good for israel. So this is a big reason they support politicians who "support Israel" while at the same time promote the peace process.
Liberal jews who voted for obama knew he was a muslim, but they didn't care and those same liberal jews here in the US and in Israel are all for giving more land away to the palestinians...does that make sense to you?
No, it doesn't make sense to me because I am against those positions. But many things liberals of all kind (Jewish and nonJewish) say and believe "do not make sense" to me. Because I'm against their positions for the most part. But that does not mean a liberal Jew believes or supports everything evil under the sun or every possible stupid thing in the world.
American gentile Liberals and other gentiles elected Obama. Jews are only 1% of the population or less. While it would have been nice to have a unified Jewish message against Obama, the blame for his election resides squarely on the shoulders of American gentiles. Hope you recognize that.
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I don't believe this is true at all! What is this based on? Could you please show a source or stat to back this up? I think this is downright loony. It is the neonazis (stormfronters) who push this BS that Israel is the reason Al qaeda attacked (if they are not saying Mossad invented al qaeda or Mossad did it). As much as liberal Jews are pro-fakestinian and pro "peace process," they do not buy into the myths about 9/11 pushed by charlatans like 9/11 truthers etc. 9/11 truthers are completely on the fringe and the vast majority of people think they are idiots. If anything liberal Jews might think US involvement in Arab nations partially motivated bin laden. But I have not seen liberal Jews blame Israel or support for Israel for 9/11. Liberal Jews are the ones who usually push the US "aid" packages which actually hurt Israel's independence despite the conventional wisdom that financial aid "helps" Israel. That means they would not admit that such "aid" caused 9/11.... Especially since they still promote this in general. From aipac to the adl. I'm not sure what you are saying here.
Please try to be more informed and exacting in your statements so as not to make "liberal Jews" into some kind of boogeyman. A convenient whipping boy, but unlike certain propaganda says, they are not the root of all evil.
I do not think that Dox meant that liberal Jews claim masterminded 9/11 like Spermfront. She meant that in general they are on the wrong side of issues and attack Israel every chance they get.
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Kahane....I remember having explained ONCE BEFORE that I am fully aware that the Jews who voted for obama are a tiny minority. The idea of even one Jew voting for obama enrages me.
Most Jews do not blame Israel for 9/11 and at the same time they support muslims...still having difficulty trying to figure out why liberal Jews support muslims and then turn around and say they support Israel.
It's counterproductive don't you think?
Shalom - Dox
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It's because they want to believe that all people are the same. Therefore, muslims are good except those few crazies who "misused" islam to do 9/11. But that Islam religion is no different from other religions that can be used responsibly in the proper way, and abused to do evil by the bad apples. This is the mythology they are taught in American schools. I know, because I was there and was taught the same things.
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I don't believe this is true at all! What is this based on? Could you please show a source or stat to back this up? I think this is downright loony. It is the neonazis (stormfronters) who push this BS that Israel is the reason Al qaeda attacked (if they are not saying Mossad invented al qaeda or Mossad did it). As much as liberal Jews are pro-fakestinian and pro "peace process," they do not buy into the myths about 9/11 pushed by charlatans like 9/11 truthers etc. 9/11 truthers are completely on the fringe and the vast majority of people think they are idiots. If anything liberal Jews might think US involvement in Arab nations partially motivated bin laden. But I have not seen liberal Jews blame Israel or support for Israel for 9/11. Liberal Jews are the ones who usually push the US "aid" packages which actually hurt Israel's independence despite the conventional wisdom that financial aid "helps" Israel. That means they would not admit that such "aid" caused 9/11.... Especially since they still promote this in general. From aipac to the adl. I'm not sure what you are saying here.
Please try to be more informed and exacting in your statements so as not to make "liberal Jews" into some kind of boogeyman. A convenient whipping boy, but unlike certain propaganda says, they are not the root of all evil.
I do not think that Dox meant that liberal Jews claim masterminded 9/11 like Spermfront. She meant that in general they are on the wrong side of issues and attack Israel every chance they get.
Thank you Bonesfan. I never did claim that Liberal Jews blamed Israel for 9/11. Obviously my complaining about Liberal Jews upsets some people. I say one thing and they assume something different, I don't know why they do that.
Shalom - Dox
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It's because they want to believe that all people are the same. Therefore, muslims are good except those few crazies who "misused" islam to do 9/11. But that Islam religion is no different from other religions that can be used responsibly in the proper way, and abused to do evil by the bad apples. This is the mythology they are taught in American schools. I know, because I was there and was taught the same things.
You said quote: " It's because they want to believe that all people are the same. "
That kind of thinking is delusional and dangerous! That is why I cannot relate to liberals, Jewish or not in any way shape or form.
Shalom - Dox
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May the demons of the blackest pit in Hell rip this abominations intestines out for all eternity.
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Actually Kahane Was Right, I think there are a few extreme self-hating Jews who have actually blamed Israel for 9-11, such as Bobby Fischer, Noam Chomsky, and Norman Finkelstein.
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Thank you Bonesfan. I never did claim that Liberal Jews blamed Israel for 9/11. Obviously my complaining about Liberal Jews upsets some people. I say one thing and they assume something different, I don't know why they do that.
Look, it was one thing that you conceded my point and admitted you were in error with your statement. That is fine, and I'm not going to begrudge you an honest mistake or misstatement, nor would I rub it in that I proved you wrong or was right or what have you. But don't start throwing accusations around like this. You never claimed liberal Jews blame Israel for 9/11? Yes. Yes, you did. And that is what prompted my response! NOT assumptions on my part.
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor.
Come on now. Blame for what? This thread is about Bin Laden blaming Israel for 9/11. It is clear what you were saying.
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Actually Kahane Was Right, I think there are a few extreme self-hating Jews who have actually blamed Israel for 9-11, such as Bobby Fischer, Noam Chomsky, and Norman Finkelstein.
These are exceptionally pathetic individuals.
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Come on now. Blame for what? This thread is about Bin Laden blaming Israel for 9/11. It is clear what you were saying.
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor.
How did she say that liberal Jews specifically blame Israel for 9/11? She was making a general statement that most liberal Jews feel sorry for Muslims and fault Israel whenever there is a choice between them and Israel. Yes the thread was about blaming Israel for 9-11 but she was pointing out that they are generally part of the problem because in general they blame everything on Israel when it comes up.
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Thank you Bonesfan. I never did claim that Liberal Jews blamed Israel for 9/11. Obviously my complaining about Liberal Jews upsets some people. I say one thing and they assume something different, I don't know why they do that.
Look, it was one thing that you conceded my point and admitted you were in error with your statement. That is fine, and I'm not going to begrudge you an honest mistake or misstatement, nor would I rub it in that I proved you wrong or was right or what have you. But don't start throwing accusations around like this. You never claimed liberal Jews blame Israel for 9/11? Yes. Yes, you did. And that is what prompted my response! NOT assumptions on my part.
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor.
Come on now. Blame for what? This thread is about Bin Laden blaming Israel for 9/11. It is clear what you were saying.
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor
Do you see 9/11 mentioned in my quote? I was merely complaining about the liberal Jews being supportive of muslims in general. If I strayed off topic sue me!
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Kahane, are you the ' Stay on topic police? '
Did I stray off topic, yes...I have done that before and no one here seems to be bothered by that and they certainly don't get on my case about it. I don't mean to stray off topic but it happens on ocassion.
obviously you seem to have a ' topic perfection issue '
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Come on now. Blame for what? This thread is about Bin Laden blaming Israel for 9/11. It is clear what you were saying.
Hi AsheDina...most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel.
Their excuse is Israel is the aggressor.
How did she say that liberal Jews specifically blame Israel for 9/11? She was making a general statement that most liberal Jews feel sorry for Muslims and fault Israel whenever there is a choice between them and Israel. Yes the thread was about blaming Israel for 9-11 but she was pointing out that they are generally part of the problem because in general they blame everything on Israel when it comes up.
Thank you again Bonesfan for understanding what I was saying. Now don't let this go to your head ...you are one of the brightest bulbs in the box! You can see and understand what others cannot.
Shalom - Dox
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Kahane, are you the ' Stay on topic police? '
Did I stray off topic, yes...I have done that before and no one here seems to be bothered by that and they certainly don't get on my case about it. I don't mean to stray off topic but it happens on ocassion.
obviously you seem to have a ' topic perfection issue '
Dox, I understand you got frustrated and I think he inferred too much from your statement, but I don't think this was necessary. KWRBT is a very good member of this forum and none of us need to get snappy around here.
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Kahane, are you the ' Stay on topic police? '
Did I stray off topic, yes...I have done that before and no one here seems to be bothered by that and they certainly don't get on my case about it. I don't mean to stray off topic but it happens on ocassion.
obviously you seem to have a ' topic perfection issue '
If that is the case, then I too would have to state that I misinterpreted the statement, as it was very easily interpreted to mean what KWRBT claimed it meant.
The discussion was about Bin Laden blaming 9/11 on Israel. A poster asked how the Liberal Jews would deal with this (anyone would understand "this" to refer to the pertinent news item). You responded by stating that the Liberal Jews agree with Muslims and place the blame on Israel. Being that the thread was referring to Bin Laden blaming Israel for 9/11, it is only natural of KWRBT to assume you were referring to the same thing.
It was a misunderstanding between two posters, but you have to be aware that some Jews are very sensitive when they hear people blaming Liberal Jews for America's problems( even though I understand that is NOT what you were doing).
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Kahane, are you the ' Stay on topic police? '
Did I stray off topic, yes...I have done that before and no one here seems to be bothered by that and they certainly don't get on my case about it. I don't mean to stray off topic but it happens on ocassion.
obviously you seem to have a ' topic perfection issue '
Dox, I understand you got frustrated and I think he inferred too much from your statement, but I don't think this was necessary. KWRBT is a very good member of this forum and none of us need to get snappy around here.
I know he is a good member. Despite my replies I still consider him my forum brother. Kahane is also a very bright person.
Shalom - Dox : )
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Kahane, are you the ' Stay on topic police? '
Did I stray off topic, yes...I have done that before and no one here seems to be bothered by that and they certainly don't get on my case about it. I don't mean to stray off topic but it happens on ocassion.
obviously you seem to have a ' topic perfection issue '
I couldn't care less whether someone stays on topic or not. But it is clear that you were responding to Ashe Dina. She responded in the thread, about Bin Laden blames support for Israel for 9/11. She said, I wonder how the liberal Jews will take all of this. It was natural for me to think you were responding to what she said, in a direct manner. Were you not saying that they would Agree with bin laden about this? You used the words, "most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel." Did you not mean that liberal Jews will blame 9/11 on support for Israel? Well ok then.
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Kahane, are you the ' Stay on topic police? '
Did I stray off topic, yes...I have done that before and no one here seems to be bothered by that and they certainly don't get on my case about it. I don't mean to stray off topic but it happens on ocassion.
obviously you seem to have a ' topic perfection issue '
If that is the case, then I too would have to state that I misinterpreted the statement, as it was very easily interpreted to mean what KWRBT claimed it meant.
The discussion was about Bin Laden blaming 9/11 on Israel. A poster asked how the Liberal Jews would deal with this (anyone would understand "this" to refer to the pertinent news item). You responded by stating that the Liberal Jews agree with Muslims and place the blame on Israel. Being that the thread was referring to Bin Laden blaming Israel for 9/11, it is only natural of KWRBT to assume you were referring to the same thing.
It was a misunderstanding between two posters, but you have to be aware that some Jews are very sensitive when they hear people blaming Liberal Jews for America's problems( even though I understand that is NOT what you were doing).
Thank you Yochai : ) Sometimes I do stray off topic and I am sure it confuses some people...it's not intentional on my part.
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kahane, we don't need to go on......I did stray off topic and that confused you, so if you want me to apologize then I do.
Now having said that, I would like to say again that I DO despise Liberal Jews and their ideas do place Israel in danger.
Now it's time to move on.
Shalom
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I couldn't care less whether someone stays on topic or not. But it is clear that you were responding to Ashe Dina. She responded in the thread, about Bin Laden blames support for Israel for 9/11. She said, I wonder how the liberal Jews will take all of this. It was natural for me to think you were responding to what she said, in a direct manner. Were you not saying that they would Agree with bin laden about this? You used the words, "most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel." Did you not mean that liberal Jews will blame 9/11 on support for Israel? Well ok then.
I don't think that liberal Jews are really responsible for anything bad in America (although they don't help), but it is undeniable that liberal Jews are directly responsible for the very existence of Israel being threatened. Exhibit A: Feces Now, B'Tselem, Uri Avnery, etc. And a few REALLY demented, sick, and evil Jews (like Bobby Fischer, Israel Shahak, and Noam Chomsky) openly call for the murder of Jews and even ally with Nazis like David Duke.
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I couldn't care less whether someone stays on topic or not. But it is clear that you were responding to Ashe Dina. She responded in the thread, about Bin Laden blames support for Israel for 9/11. She said, I wonder how the liberal Jews will take all of this. It was natural for me to think you were responding to what she said, in a direct manner. Were you not saying that they would Agree with bin laden about this? You used the words, "most liberal Jews agree with muslims and place the blame on Israel." Did you not mean that liberal Jews will blame 9/11 on support for Israel? Well ok then.
I don't think that liberal Jews are really responsible for anything bad in America (although they don't help), but it is undeniable that liberal Jews are directly responsible for the very existence of Israel being threatened. Exhibit A: Feces Now, B'Tselem, Uri Avnery, etc. And a few REALLY demented, sick, and evil Jews (like Bobby Fischer, Israel Shahak, and Noam Chomsky) openly call for the murder of Jews and even ally with Nazis like David Duke.
Yes, you are correct in that statement, Bonesfan. It is Liberal Jews who are responsible for the threat to Israel. Of course the Arabs are a threat, but this is to be expected. As the Rav would always say: "They truly believe that we showed up from Europe and stole their land". That being said, there is no reason to expect anything else from the Arabs.
As for Jews, one would like to expect more from them, but as I have said before, if history teaches us anything, it is to always expect the majority of Jews to have interests that go against their survival as JEwish people. Even during the Exodus, there were Jews who longed for the "protection" and "safety" of Egypt. Modern Israel fits in as just another chapter in this history of the Jewish people.
But, it is incredibly tendentious to blame Liberal Jews for the problems of the United States. This is the domain of Nazis YS"V.
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Al-Qaeda is following the strategy of all times! Muslims ALWAYS tried to use others to make the biggest enemy their friend! Remember Mohammed himself: He tried to make Christians the enemies of Jews and the other way round. When he saw that this tactics failed, he used brutality and violence and committed mass murders against Jews and Christians of Mecca and Medina.
The same tatctics is used now by al-Qaeda: They see that the USA is an enormous but weakened power (since Obama is president) and they know that blaming Israel is just what many Americans want to hear, that "We didn't want to hit the US in first place, but we wanted them to open their eyes for the problems and struggle they are causing by supporting evil Israel". They think that thus many Americans say "hey, they are right, let's stop support for Israel and we will have peace". Ignoring the fact that the islamization of the US has already begun - in a subtile and creeping way: Muslim president, Muslim immigration, Muslim breeding, Muslim conversions (I have heard they are very successfully recruiting black Americans and people in jail).
Just watch comments on youtube and you will see the same tactics. One and the same muzzie wrote below one video "[censored] Germans once they killed the Jews and now they want to kill us!" Then they write "Jews are strange, they defend the f*cking Germans but it was the Muslims who saved them from the f*cking Christian Europeans" - and then the same person writes below anothe video "The Nazis haven't done their job properly, there are still too many Jews in the world"! They do either suffer from multiple personality (but this can't be the possible for so many people) or it is the tactics of provoking quarrels between friends in order to make them enemies! I think it is the second!
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I must agree with you, I believe it is the latter. Muslims are extremely sneaky and one of their tricks is turning Americans against one another.
Shalom - Dox
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These evil people have always resented US support of Israel. They feel blessed now that they have a comrad Muslim in office to champion them!
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Debbie, you are correct. With obama in power, the muslims are moving faster than ever to expand their evil cult here in the US.
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Please do not listen to anything that the muslamics say, rather analyze it. They can say anything for their terroristic interests. They want to isolate the Jewish and as America is facing increasing hardships, so they are propagating that all the problems of America are due to Jewish. This is the same anti-Jewish rhetoric that has been monotonously reiterated since ages. Imagine that even during the days of high prosperity of America, when the shuttle Columbia went down, some people commented that it was due to the presence of a particular Astronaut.
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Syyuge, of course the muslims won't make any comments about the Challenger going down, no Jewish man was aboard that flight.
muslims make me sick!
Shalom - Dox