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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fruit of thy loins on April 16, 2007, 03:42:55 PM
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On this week's JTF, straight after stating that he wanted lots of babies, Chaim dismissed me flatly for stating that I wanted to sleep with women and self-destruct rather than live to an old age as a nobody. I recognize that I am nothing compared to Chaim ben Pesach but I don't see why it is okay for a religious person to say you want lots of babies when it's not okay to say you want lots of women. G-d forbid, I do not want any babies. I could not raise them properly. I am doing the right thing by avoiding dating, relationships, and everything else. Were it not for a particular event in my life I would even have had a special place in heaven reserved for me, the place where virgins go.
I cannot post on Ask JTF any more. I stopped listening after the first hour. It was going smoothly up until then, and then at that point I was made to feel like the outsider. The spanner in the works. This always happens.
I am a hollow conduit, and the Holy Spirit cannot pass through me. I am forsaken.
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On this week's JTF, straight after stating that he wanted lots of babies, Chaim dismissed me flatly for stating that I wanted to sleep with women and self-destruct rather than live to an old age as a nobody. I recognize that I am nothing compared to Chaim ben Pesach but I don't see why it is okay for a religious person to say you want lots of babies when it's not okay to say you want lots of women. G-d forbid, I do not want any babies. I could not raise them properly. I am doing the right thing by avoiding dating, relationships, and everything else. Were it not for a particular event in my life I would even have had a special place in heaven reserved for me, the place where virgins go.
I cannot post on Ask JTF any more. I stopped listening after the first hour. It was going smoothly up until then, and then at that point I was made to feel like the outsider. The spanner in the works. This always happens.
I am a hollow conduit, and the Holy Spirit cannot pass through me. I am forsaken.
Dude, calm down... Why is the jtf the definitive answer to morality to you? How old are you?
So you like sleeping with lots of women..fine...what guy wouldn't want to do that? But unlike animals, humans can control themselves when they see a particular woman, but not sleep with her.
So calm down...so Chaim doesn't like it when you ask about sleeping women...ask Joe instead of Chaim..ask Max, ask Hillary...who cares? you're a hornball..so am I...
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Hello FOTL, and good day.
FOTL, you're trolling on this board has been going over the top for some time now. I suggest you tone it down, and entertain yourself in a more constructive way.
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Calm down.
Why are you taking it so personally?
I guess now you how shvartas feel when Chaim calls them baboons and affirmative action creatures.
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Fruit chaim did'nt spend a little time with you, he called very talented,
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Sexual promiscuity, if that is how you want to live, is NOT a religious way of doing things. It is immoral and Chaim rightly criticizes you for it. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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Fruit, cheer up.
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He doesnt hate you. Believe me. He just says stop you sometimes over the top writing. this is a religious forum you know.
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You know what 'they' say, "Chaim hates everybody." ;)
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Religion, Judaism, dictates the laws of morality. Chaim is a devout G-d fearing Jew who naturally is probably revolted by people speaking about whoring around with many women as Chaim, and most G-d fearing Jews, profess that the proper moral standing would be having sexual relations with ones wife and produce babies. G-d forbid you end up like a guy I know who enjoyed trolling many women per week and now has aids.. HaShem has blessed this Earth with diseases for a reason.... ;)
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Fruit, I've listened to Chaim's response to you. I do not get the impression that Chaim hates you. He actually complemented you and he's right. When you're not obsessing about blondes going with black men, you put up very intelligent and funny posts. You have a flare for the dramatic, and you are bright and funny.
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Fruit, you know full well Chaim does not hate you. He takes the time to address your questions each and every week.
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On this week's JTF, straight after stating that he wanted lots of babies, Chaim dismissed me flatly for stating that I wanted to sleep with women and self-destruct rather than live to an old age as a nobody. I recognize that I am nothing compared to Chaim ben Pesach but I don't see why it is okay for a religious person to say you want lots of babies when it's not okay to say you want lots of women. G-d forbid, I do not want any babies. I could not raise them properly. I am doing the right thing by avoiding dating, relationships, and everything else. Were it not for a particular event in my life I would even have had a special place in heaven reserved for me, the place where virgins go.
Fruit, please calm down and take a few deep breaths. I really do not think Chaim intended on dissing you. I actually relate to some of what you say: I know for a fact that I only want to adopt children and have none of my own (I'm probably the only Kahanist on the planet who feels that way), so I know exactly what it means to feel so differently about this than the rest of the forum, but still... sexual promiscuity is NOT the answer. Somewhere, God has for you a special woman who does not want children. You need to start looking for her rather than drown your sorrows in prostitutes.
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I happen to agree with Massuh in his former post above. Fruit, I don't know how old you are but if you are Jewish and of age to be married you might consider talking directly to an orthodox Rabbi to match you up with an Orthodox Jewess. If you are not Jewish, I'd recommend speaking to your Minister, Reverend or Priest to assist in finding you a G-d fearing righteous gentile to be married. It is much better than whoring about with everyone else's used goods. Sort of like buying a used car from "rent a wreck" or looking for a new car at an auto wreckers yard....
Sexual promiscuity is never good especially when HaShem blesses your choice to partake with genital warts, crabs, STD's or HIV....
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I happen to agree with Massuh in his former post above. Fruit, I don't know how old you are but if you are Jewish and of age to be married you might consider talking directly to an orthodox Rabbi to match you up with an Orthodox Jewess. If you are not Jewish, I'd recommend speaking to your Minister, Reverend or Priest to assist in finding you a G-d fearing righteous gentile to be married. It is much better than whoring about with everyone else's used goods. Sort of like buying a used car from "rent a wreck" or looking for a new car at an auto wreckers yard....
Sexual promiscuity is never good especially when HaShem blesses your choice to partake with genital warts, crabs, STD's or HIV....
OR IMAM ;)
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Fruit isn't Christian. He believes in Judaism but is too weak to become a Noahide.
Well, If he believes in Judaism he might seriously consider giving up the culture of a "Ron Jeremy" another Hellenized harry vile kike and try to walk the path of the righteous. Should he choose to accept the Mitzvot bnai Noach, which is highly worthy, he might consider what I stated above. One righteous woman is worth the World..... :)
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If Fruit is not Jewish, he doesn't have to follow the same strict rules of sexual morality as Jews do. Chaim should stop holding him to Torah standards. The Torah doesn't.
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Sexual laws are part of The Noahide Laws.
True, but the laws are not even REMOTELY as strict. Read the Rambam.
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Circumstances are not easily permitting but I hope to be dead very soon. I will continue to sin and be rebellious until G-d takes me. That G-d is not receptive to the pleas of gentiles has often been adduced by people weaned on deceptions about G-d (which deceptions are Christian in origin) that He does not exist. But in fact His love for Israel above all proves his existence. My flat in the city is only a hundred miles away from pig farms. When you drive past those farms you get a waft of pig feces in your nostrils. Gentiles are like big fat flies. G-d permits them to do their thing despite the fact that they are disgusting. Everything is with G-d. I have no further interest in this world but only in Epicurean pleasures of mind and sensation. He did not write the Torah for me to study it.
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Circumstances are not easily permitting but I hope to be dead very soon. I will continue to sin and be rebellious until G-d takes me. That G-d is not receptive to the pleas of gentiles has often been adduced by people weaned on deceptions about G-d (which deceptions are Christian in origin) that He does not exist. But in fact His love for Israel above all proves his existence. My flat in the city is only a hundred miles away from pig farms. When you drive past those farms you get a waft of pig feces in your nostrils. Gentiles are like big fat flies. G-d permits them to do their thing despite the fact that they are disgusting. Everything is with G-d. I have no further interest in this world but only in Epicurean pleasures of mind and sensation. He did not write the Torah for me to study it.
G-D loves everyone Fruit i'm sure he especially loves you
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Circumstances are not easily permitting but I hope to be dead very soon. I will continue to sin and be rebellious until G-d takes me. That G-d is not receptive to the pleas of gentiles has often been adduced by people weaned on deceptions about G-d (which deceptions are Christian in origin) that He does not exist. But in fact His love for Israel above all proves his existence. My flat in the city is only a hundred miles away from pig farms. When you drive past those farms you get a waft of pig feces in your nostrils. Gentiles are like big fat flies. G-d permits them to do their thing despite the fact that they are disgusting. Everything is with G-d. I have no further interest in this world but only in Epicurean pleasures of mind and sensation. He did not write the Torah for me to study it.
Stop getting so depressed. You're a good guy. What normal man doesn't want to have sex with women? You're not evil. Stop being so hard on yourself.
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Circumstances are not easily permitting but I hope to be dead very soon. I will continue to sin and be rebellious until G-d takes me. That G-d is not receptive to the pleas of gentiles has often been adduced by people weaned on deceptions about G-d (which deceptions are Christian in origin) that He does not exist. But in fact His love for Israel above all proves his existence. My flat in the city is only a hundred miles away from pig farms. When you drive past those farms you get a waft of pig feces in your nostrils. Gentiles are like big fat flies. G-d permits them to do their thing despite the fact that they are disgusting. Everything is with G-d. I have no further interest in this world but only in Epicurean pleasures of mind and sensation. He did not write the Torah for me to study it.
G-D loves everyone Fruit i'm sure he especially loves you
Hey Fruit - Listen to your friends on the forum.
I'm overwhelmed by the support they have offered you.
Allow yourself to feel worthy of their friendship and really listen to their advice - :)
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Having sex with strange women you don't know is akin to wiping your genitals in a public toilet. Would anyone do that even with a condom? And Fruit, you should have a little more respect for the fact that Chaim is not married. It is quite possible that temptation in that area is something Chaim struggles with and throwing justifications for it in his face is just selfish,insensitive excrement. :-X
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Allen T,
CHaim is going to be the PM of Israel one day. I cannot remember exact dates but I believe Abraham was something like 100 before he had his first child. I pray that Chaim gets the success he deserves as often as I can remember to.
As for promiscuity being a bad thing - tell that to Ghenghis Khan. He immortalized himself by having literally thousands of children. Millions of people exist today because of him. Does that qualify for being fruitful and multiplying? And here we are like little old women worrying about finding the right partner someday. We great Mongolian warriors! ;D
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*Ruffles Fruits Hair* :D Please Cheer up.
Its not worth the moaning. We can’t state facts about what God loves. God is God the Al-mighty, he chooses what he wants. As for you Fruit, keep strong, stay faithful. You’ll get it good one day.
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Its not worth the moaning. We can’t state facts about what G-d loves. G-d is G-d the Al-mighty, he chooses what he wants. As for you Fruit, keep strong, stay faithful. You’ll get it good one day.
No chance. One does not go around, for example, saying to deformed people that they will get it good one day. Their whole lives are spent minimizing the damage done to their lives because of genetic accidents and mutations. Similarly I am an aborted soul with a deformed spirit. G-d made me this way out of his desire to inflict punishment on others. You spare no thoughts for aborted fetuses or for children that die very young or for diverse other sorts of people that G-d has no pity on. Similarly spare none on me. G-d is a man of war. :)
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Allen T,
CHaim is going to be the PM of Israel one day. I cannot remember exact dates but I believe Abraham was something like 100 before he had his first child. I pray that Chaim gets the success he deserves as often as I can remember to.
As for promiscuity being a bad thing - tell that to Ghenghis Khan. He immortalized himself by having literally thousands of children. Millions of people exist today because of him. Does that qualify for being fruitful and multiplying? And here we are like little old women worrying about finding the right partner someday. We great Mongolian warriors! ;D
Abraham lived at a time when the effects of sin had not yet reduced the average life span to what it is today. Ghengis Khan, besides being a cool Iron Maiden song, is a dead person who is probably seperated from G-d eternally. Millions of people do not exist because of Ghengis Khan, they exist because G-d created them. Ghengis Khan was only responsible for ensuring that thousands of offspring were produced in G-dless circumstances. What else?
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*Ruffles Fruits Hair* :D Please Cheer up.
Its not worth the moaning. We can’t state facts about what G-d loves. G-d is G-d the Al-mighty, he chooses what he wants. As for you Fruit, keep strong, stay faithful. You’ll get it good one day.
G-d details what he loves in his Word. If you can read, you can state facts about what G-d loves.
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*Ruffles Fruits Hair* :D Please Cheer up.
Its not worth the moaning. We can’t state facts about who G-d loves. G-d is G-d the Al-mighty, he chooses what he wants. As for you Fruit, keep strong, stay faithful. You’ll get it good one day.
G-d details what he loves in his Word. If you can read, you can state facts about what G-d loves.
Yes i changed it to who. My mistake. We don't know peoples intentions and whether they have been forgiven or not.
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When Sarah says that she's too young for me, while it may be true, it has a broader meaning, which is that I am not her type and she wouldn't want ot marry me even if she was older. In fact most women will feel this way about me, that I may be nice to speak to now and then but they definitely would not want to marry me. I already am very badly damaged from my lack of relations with women and as time progresses it can only get worse. I shall have to admit that I am inadequate socially for almost all women. The only women who would ever want to marry me are women with mental or developmental problems. Besides I don't want and am unable to get married at the moment and the mere thought of it is depressing. Being unemployable is also very depressing. Why wouldn't I follow the Torah? Because I know who the Torah was made for and who it wasn't. :)
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Sarah has a sister maybe you could marry her she's older
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When Sarah says that she's too young for me, while it may be true, it has a broader meaning, which is that I am not her type and she wouldn't want ot marry me even if she was older. In fact most women will feel this way about me, that I may be nice to speak to now and then but they definitely would not want to marry me. I already am very badly damaged from my lack of relations with women and as time progresses it can only get worse. I shall have to admit that I am inadequate socially for almost all women. The only women who would ever want to marry me are women with mental or developmental problems. Besides I don't want and am unable to get married at the moment and the mere thought of it is depressing. Being unemployable is also very depressing. Why wouldn't I follow the Torah? Because I know who the Torah was made for and who it wasn't. :)
Actually, I thought you considered me too young. I honestly didn’t believe there to be a broader meaning and if I was older, even when I am, I would marry you. Inadequate socially?! In fact, this post makes me want to marry you more but I understand what you mean about it being depressing.
My sister is already seeing people. She seems to have left JTF.
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When Sarah says that she's too young for me, while it may be true, it has a broader meaning, which is that I am not her type and she wouldn't want ot marry me even if she was older. In fact most women will feel this way about me, that I may be nice to speak to now and then but they definitely would not want to marry me. I already am very badly damaged from my lack of relations with women and as time progresses it can only get worse. I shall have to admit that I am inadequate socially for almost all women. The only women who would ever want to marry me are women with mental or developmental problems. Besides I don't want and am unable to get married at the moment and the mere thought of it is depressing. Being unemployable is also very depressing. Why wouldn't I follow the Torah? Because I know who the Torah was made for and who it wasn't. :)
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as of a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And it's actually far more graphic and worse; the term filthy rag in the Hebrew is "behg' ed" which is a woman's menstrual rag, according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible, Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary entries #'s 899 & 5708[there is possibly another "ed" added to behg' ed, I am not sure]. Anyway, who is the Torah made and not made for? We all suck! :'( :'(
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When Sarah says that she's too young for me, while it may be true, it has a broader meaning, which is that I am not her type and she wouldn't want ot marry me even if she was older. In fact most women will feel this way about me, that I may be nice to speak to now and then but they definitely would not want to marry me. I already am very badly damaged from my lack of relations with women and as time progresses it can only get worse. I shall have to admit that I am inadequate socially for almost all women. The only women who would ever want to marry me are women with mental or developmental problems. Besides I don't want and am unable to get married at the moment and the mere thought of it is depressing. Being unemployable is also very depressing. Why wouldn't I follow the Torah? Because I know who the Torah was made for and who it wasn't. :)
Actually, I thought you considered me too young. I honestly didn’t believe there to be a broader meaning and if I was older, even when I am, I would marry you. Inadequate socially?! In fact, this post makes me want to marry you more but I understand what you mean about it being depressing.
My sister is already seeing people. She seems to have left JTF.
Sarah, with all do respect to you and Fruit, don't you think you are getting carried away wanting to marry someone you only chat with online? Are you sure you are not a muslim man funning us? ??? ;)
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When Sarah says that she's too young for me, while it may be true, it has a broader meaning, which is that I am not her type and she wouldn't want ot marry me even if she was older. In fact most women will feel this way about me, that I may be nice to speak to now and then but they definitely would not want to marry me. I already am very badly damaged from my lack of relations with women and as time progresses it can only get worse. I shall have to admit that I am inadequate socially for almost all women. The only women who would ever want to marry me are women with mental or developmental problems. Besides I don't want and am unable to get married at the moment and the mere thought of it is depressing. Being unemployable is also very depressing. Why wouldn't I follow the Torah? Because I know who the Torah was made for and who it wasn't. :)
Actually, I thought you considered me too young. I honestly didn’t believe there to be a broader meaning and if I was older, even when I am, I would marry you. Inadequate socially?! In fact, this post makes me want to marry you more but I understand what you mean about it being depressing.
My sister is already seeing people. She seems to have left JTF.
Sarah, with all do respect to you and Fruit, don't you think you are getting carried away wanting to marry someone you only chat with online? Are you sure you are not a muslim man funning us? ??? ;)
Yeah, I agree with Allen here, you can't say you want to marry someone that you've only ever talked to on the internet, to get married is to choose a partner for life, not something you should rush into, and really not something you should do without even meeting the person concerned...
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Actually, I thought you considered me too young. I honestly didn’t believe there to be a broader meaning and if I was older, even when I am, I would marry you. Inadequate socially?! In fact, this post makes me want to marry you more but I understand what you mean about it being depressing.
My sister is already seeing people. She seems to have left JTF.
Of course she is. ;) Anyone who is normal, who goes to university, and is even only half-way successful, is going to date other people from university rather than meeting people online.
We cannot control the feelings we have at various times in our life. And everything you say here means a lot to me. But once you get to university you will realize that the internet is not the best way to meet people. Only one person I knew at university met people on the net. He was homosexual and found random sex partners off the local dating sites because it was easier than finding random men at the queer nightclubs.
Almost everyone else makes the people they meet at work and at university their best friends and lovers.
We don't control these feelings.
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Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as of a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And it's actually far more graphic and worse; the term filthy rag in the Hebrew is "behg' ed" which is a woman's menstrual rag, according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible, Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary entries #'s 899 & 5708[there is possibly another "ed" added to behg' ed, I am not sure]. Anyway, who is the Torah made and not made for? We all suck! :'( :'(
Did Isaiah not wish to call the Jews of his day to repentence before the great calamities befell them? The JEws were besieged by foreign armies, humiliated and even resorted to eating the flesh of their own children, cooked in their own feces.
It is not necessarily true that the verse calls for all people to feel that their righteousness is as menstruous rags before the Alm-ghty for all time. There is some historical context there.
Also, I firmly believe the whole of the Bible to be coded and largely incomprehensible when read on its own.
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Fruit you really are something else. Why is it necessary to go on a destructive bent with yourself. Things are bound to shape up. You said you unemployed, as I told you another time before work on that problem first. You will then be out in the work place and meet some nice ladies.
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Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as of a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And it's actually far more graphic and worse; the term filthy rag in the Hebrew is "behg' ed" which is a woman's menstrual rag, according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible, Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary entries #'s 899 & 5708[there is possibly another "ed" added to behg' ed, I am not sure]. Anyway, who is the Torah made and not made for? We all suck! :'( :'(
Did Isaiah not wish to call the Jews of his day to repentence before the great calamities befell them? The JEws were besieged by foreign armies, humiliated and even resorted to eating the flesh of their own children, cooked in their own feces.
It is not necessarily true that the verse calls for all people to feel that their righteousness is as menstruous rags before the Alm-ghty for all time. There is some historical context there.
Also, I firmly believe the whole of the Bible to be coded and largely incomprehensible when read on its own.
The verse I cited means that when we judge our own works by our own standards we think we are the cat's pajamas. But G-d judges our works by G-d's standards and in that light we are as the verse describes, in need of a saviour.
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Getting a proper understanding of the Bible requires W-O-R-K. It requires a disciplined regiment of regular study with good teachers. There is no shortage of verses in the Bible about how G-d hates sloths. There is no excuse.
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When Sarah says that she's too young for me, while it may be true, it has a broader meaning, which is that I am not her type and she wouldn't want ot marry me even if she was older. In fact most women will feel this way about me, that I may be nice to speak to now and then but they definitely would not want to marry me. I already am very badly damaged from my lack of relations with women and as time progresses it can only get worse. I shall have to admit that I am inadequate socially for almost all women. The only women who would ever want to marry me are women with mental or developmental problems. Besides I don't want and am unable to get married at the moment and the mere thought of it is depressing. Being unemployable is also very depressing. Why wouldn't I follow the Torah? Because I know who the Torah was made for and who it wasn't. :)
Fruit, let me help you in that department in finding girls and help you be more adequate socially..message me when you get the chance...I can totally relate to the way you are feeling because I wore your shoes at one point...but now i'm prosperous in getting the chicas..heheh.