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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: White Israelite on September 23, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
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Well I've finally woke up and I have to say, everything makes sense now. I sold my car, my guns (most of them), most of my money went towards trying to bail out a foreclosed home and now I'm sitting here wondering what else I should do..
Thank you to everyone who was there for me and treated me nice, but now I have to go. The bank is taking my home, and who knows what will happen from there. Who knows if i'll even have internet, not like it matters.
i'm tired of sleeping less than an hour every night and my health is not getting better.
My plans for the military fell through and everything else, but that's okay I suppose.
Some of you didn't like me very well but that's ok, even though we had our disagreements, I felt respect for everyone here and their opinions even if I seemed harsh a lot of the time. Difference in opinion is what makes us a community. Ty Chaim, Lisa, Rubystars, Paulette, Americanhero, Muman and others.
I wish everyone luck. I have some things to do here and i'll be on my way.
It's a beautiful sunny day out today, I wish every day was like this.
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I will pray for you Cohen and I wish you that you get the chance for a new start. Don't give up friend - it is never hopeless. :)
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I will pray for you Cohen and I wish you that you get the chance for a new start. Don't give up friend - it is never hopeless. :)
yeah.
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why not go to Israel
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why not go to Israel
No.
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I pray that things will turn around for you soon. Pray about it and trust God to help you. I hope to see you back on JTF very soon. Stay safe! I will miss you!
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I will pray for you
feel the love of hashem and your friends on JTF
i hope you feel inscribed in the book of live
and come back!!!!!!!!
We need you
G-d bless you
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why not go to Israel
Agreed. Fight for Israel, not for yourself.
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White Israelite: Please contact me if you need some help. I know of resources and resources within resources. Please.
DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!!!
My motto has had to be NEVER GIVE UP!
I had to survive through hell and high water, you can too!
People need to stick together and help each other out.
It is not all lost.
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I pray that things will turn around for you soon. Pray about it and trust G-d to help you. I hope to see you back on JTF very soon. Stay safe! I will miss you!
I will, also, be praying for things to turn around for you.
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If you get a chance, please watch this video......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HNHbucBXrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HNHbucBXrA)
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I wish you all the best! Do what you think is right. We will miss you.
God is always with you! Remember that.
Take care, be well and God bless you richly!
Hope dies last.
Shalom
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WhiteIsraelite,
My prayers go out to you. Do not despair because this world is full of ups and downs. There will be times when you are down, but that is so that you will appreciate the good times even more. Hashem will not abandon you. Never lose hope because it makes these times even more difficult.
May Hashem provide your livelihood, your health, and increase your faith... I will be looking for you here at JTF again soon. You are part of our family..
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Hello White Israelite, I will be praying that things turn around for you.
May G-d give you the strength you need to get through your difficult times.
Shalom & May G-d Bless you and take care of you......
Dox
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White Israelite, I always liked your posts and you never rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know where you got that idea from. I hope that all goes well for you and that we'll see you on the forum regularly.
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Meir, if you have a few minutes, please send me a personal message. Please let me know if there is anything I can do!
We love you and care about you!
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אני מאחל לך את כל הטוב ביותר עבור העתיד מצטערים לראות אותך נכנס
I will pray for you that God will take the suffering away.
Take care!
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Meir, if you have a few minutes, please send me a personal message. Please let me know if there is anything I can do!
We love you and care about you!
I second that. Let Chaim talk to you, Meir Cohen.
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Do you need a place to live?
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why not go to Israel
No.
Why not?
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why not go to Israel
No.
Why not?
it's hard to make it in israel with no money or anything. easier said than done.
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why not go to Israel
No.
Why not?
it's hard to make it in israel with no money or anything. easier said than done.
Aliyah?
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It is sad to see you leave but you have to do what you feel is best
Good luck bro
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why not go to Israel
No.
Why not?
it's hard to make it in israel with no money or anything. easier said than done.
Aliyah?
Yes, it's extremely difficult with no money, no job, and no friends.
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Very sad to see you go. If theres anything I can do don't hesitate to ask
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I'm so sorry to hear this. I wish you only blessings that things should get better and God should help you get back on your feet. You will be missed around here, but I'm sure it will take some time to get things figured out, and we are all pulling for you. Please let us know if we can do anything to help.
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THis is awful. When I see people losing their home because of this horrible economy its very depressing, but its even worse when it happens to a fellow jTFer.
I think you should continue to be part of the JTF as a support group, but ultimately, its your decision.
Take care.
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It sucks that your losing your home. It seems like you probably act more responsible than most home owners. My suggestion would be to move to an area which doesn't have a lot of blacks because it seems like in areas like yours, there the only ones getting job's. Actually what are your plan's now? Move back in with ma and pa.
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It sucks that your losing your home. It seems like you probably act more responsible than most home owners. My suggestion would be to move to an area which doesn't have a lot of blacks because it seems like in areas like yours, there the only ones getting job's. Actually what are your plan's now? Move back in with ma and pa.
It is terrible that he is losing his home. But black people and other non qualified people are getting better and better jobs every day. This has been going on for years, expect now its in deep full swing!. Just look at Chaim's and David's video about Cleopatra jones. Good luck to you and your future endeavors. We are here for you do not forgot about it.
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I'm so saddened by your news White Israelite. Please take good care of yourself and always know we are here for moral support. I wish I won the lottery today so I could pay your house for you. :'( If you get the chance, please let us know how you are every once in awhile ok? God bless you and keep you!
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It sucks that your losing your home. It seems like you probably act more responsible than most home owners. My suggestion would be to move to an area which doesn't have a lot of blacks because it seems like in areas like yours, there the only ones getting job's. Actually what are your plan's now? Move back in with ma and pa.
It is terrible that he is losing his home. But black people and other non qualified people are getting better and better jobs every day. This has been going on for years, expect now its in deep full swing!. Just look at Chaim's and David's video about Cleopatra jones. Good luck to you and your future endeavors. We are here for you do not forgot about it.
The government gives massive tax breaks to companies that hire blacks. If you fire a black person the first thing that comes to there mind is how can he or she sue this company for there job back.
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I'm sorry to hear about this. Good luck for the future.
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You are in my prayers, may G-d supply your needs and may you life and fortune turn around. Bless you, bless you, bless you. You will be continually in my prayers. I have written your name down in my prayer journal. I believe in the impossible.
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Yes, it's extremely difficult with no money, no job, and no friends.
This is not true - millions did it. As you arrive, Israeli government gives you a gift of around 50K shekkels, and subsidizes your rent, helps with free language course, eases your taxation for a period of 10 years, helps you to buy a car, doesn't tax your shipped in personal possessions! Friends? You will have many friends here, good and true friends - beautiful Jewish boys and girls. In fact, that is one of the main reason to come here. Economy - it is booming here with living standards very similar to France and only getting better, as the rest of the world languishes. Israel has the fastest growing real estate market in the world, the country is covered with construction cranes and real estate, as a result, quickly becoming less and less affordable. However, it creates fantastic investment opportunities. It is easier than ever to make Aliyah here. Jobs? - there are plenty, even for Anglos without Hebrew - http://www.israemploy.net/
Meir - If you feel Jewish, if you feel that you are a Mensch and not a little lonely Jewish boy, you should, at the very least, explore this option through Nefesh B'Nefesh. You are very very young and you sound very very old. I hope you will shake off this depression and start anew in Israel. You may find that you fit in here. Or not! At the very least investigate this option - that is exactly what I and my family are doing in Israel now and we love every minute of it here and we are seriously considering making Aliah. BTW, I am a very accomplished executive and entrepreneur back home in North America. FYI - all the negative stuff that you read about Israel on this forum and in the media are true. However, they are just a little speck of what Israel is about - it is the best place in the world to raise children and build a family. Good luck with whatever decisions you are going to make but make a courageous one - don't fall into despair. If you like, I would welcome your PM.
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White Israelite, I'm really sorry for what happened to you. But there is always hope! Things will change for the better.
Good luck and may G-d bless you.
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Yes, it's extremely difficult with no money, no job, and no friends.
This is not true - millions did it. As you arrive, Israeli government gives you a gift of around 50K shekkels, and subsidizes your rent, helps with free language course, eases your taxation for a period of 10 years, helps you to buy a car, doesn't tax your shipped in personal possessions! Friends? You will have many friends here, good and true friends - beautiful Jewish boys and girls. In fact, that is one of the main reason to come here. Economy - it is booming here with living standards very similar to France and only getting better, as the rest of the world languishes. Israel has the fastest growing real estate market in the world, the country is covered with construction cranes and real estate, as a result, quickly becoming less and less affordable. However, it creates fantastic investment opportunities. It is easier than ever to make Aliyah here. Jobs? - there are plenty, even for Anglos without Hebrew - http://www.israemploy.net/
It's not like that for everybody. I don't know where you get that info. I wish it were that easy.
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Meir, my thoughts and prayers are with you. Please contact Chaim and/ or a Rabbi who you are comfortable with. There are many people who care about you and want to help you. G-d Bless you and your family.
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I'm sorry to hear about this Cohen... you mean a lot to the movement and I'm sure there is something we can do to help.
Please PM Chaim and let's see what we can do to assist you in getting things back together
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I'm sorry to hear about this Cohen... you mean a lot to the movement and I'm sure there is something we can do to help.
Please PM Chaim and let's see what we can do to assist you in getting things back together
Yes, if it's money you need we will ALL pitch in bli ayin hara.
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It's not like that for everybody. I don't know where you get that info. I wish it were that easy.
Where I get my info? Did you read my post? I am here in Israel, observing and absorbing information like a sponge. It is not easy? Since when anything worthy of pursuit should or must be easy? It is, however, easier than ever, thanks to the people who, before us, never asked this question - "how easy it should be for me?" There is an understandable aversion to Israel and Aliyah among most of American Jews. It is however very strange to encounter such attitudes among fellow Jews on JTF forum.
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Please do not leave. Now you have me worried about your well being.
I cannot post my troubles here, but let me assure you that you are not alone.
I truly understand what you are going through and it's more than one can take.
Please do take some time to realize that whatever great hardships you are going through,
G-d is with you even if you don't think he is. G-d will not give you more than you can handle
and if you feel like you are going to break, tell G-d you can't take it anymore.
G-d will help you, I speak from experience.
Shalom and May G-d help you at this time.....
Elizabeth
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It's not like that for everybody. I don't know where you get that info. I wish it were that easy.
Where I get my info? Did you read my post? I am here in Israel, observing and absorbing information like a sponge. It is not easy? Since when anything worthy of pursuit should or must be easy? It is, however, easier than ever, thanks to the people who, before us, never asked this question - "how easy it should be for me?" There is an understandable aversion to Israel and Aliyah among most of American Jews. It is however very strange to encounter such attitudes among fellow Jews on JTF forum.
For younger people it may be easier... But I have family here who will not move.. It is easier but still there are concerns for some which prevent it. I know that there is a job for me in Israel {I work in Computer Software Engineering}. I will be there some day.
I would recommend Jewish youth to make aliyah...
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It's not like that for everybody. I don't know where you get that info. I wish it were that easy.
Where I get my info? Did you read my post? I am here in Israel, observing and absorbing information like a sponge. It is not easy? Since when anything worthy of pursuit should or must be easy? It is, however, easier than ever, thanks to the people who, before us, never asked this question - "how easy it should be for me?" There is an understandable aversion to Israel and Aliyah among most of American Jews. It is however very strange to encounter such attitudes among fellow Jews on JTF forum.
If it were that easy, everybody would make aaliyah because you are describing it to be not only free, but something you collect a substantial amount of :$: for. I know people that made aaliyah, some quite recently, and the meager portion they get from Israel and in some cases from the army is barely enough to cover rent in their tiny apartments that they share. Everybody my age that makes aaliyah is still heavily dependent on their parents wallets at this point. Some Rabbis that I know are also in the same boat. It's unfortunate, but I've heard a lot of horror stories about this. We all agree Jews should live in Israel, but they should live there and be financially independent at the very least. From what WhiteIsralite was saying, I think it would be a financial disaster if he went there at this point in his life. On top of his financial troubles, he might have some emotional issues, and I think he should get healthy before he does something that drastic.
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I'm sorry to hear of your troubles and will pray you get a break and some happy times. You are not alone, I hear similar things from others in the US. We have been taken over by a Dictatorship!
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I know someone who tried to make Aliyah recently and had to come back. I suggest perhaps finding a way to move onto a Kibbutz if making Aliyah. It seems like it would be a good way, although I am not sure if any are taking people at the moment, but just a suggestion.
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If it were that easy, everybody would make aaliyah because you are describing it to be not only free, but something you collect a substantial amount of :$: for. I know people that made aaliyah, some quite recently, and the meager portion they get from Israel and in some cases from the army is barely enough to cover rent in their tiny apartments that they share. Everybody my age that makes aaliyah is still heavily dependent on their parents wallets at this point. Some Rabbis that I know are also in the same boat. It's unfortunate, but I've heard a lot of horror stories about this. We all agree Jews should live in Israel, but they should live there and be financially independent at the very least. From what WhiteIsralite was saying, I think it would be a financial disaster if he went there at this point in his life. On top of his financial troubles, he might have some emotional issues, and I think he should get healthy before he does something that drastic.
So are you saying I am misinterpreting and somehow want to lure, "G-d forbid", Jews to Israel? I do not think that Israel is for everyone - just for those who want to remain normal and Jewish at the same time. For those who are worthy of having Jewish children and live in this country. I do not think Israel is loosing anything valuable by not having Jews who don't want to come here. I simply suggested that a young person , starting basically from scratch, would investigate this option. I provided info on Aliyah as I understand it. Eventually, I do believe it, Israel will enjoy the highest living standards in the world and will be the safest country to live.
BTW, Mo - we ALL don't agree that Jews should live in Israel - I did not have one post supporting my recommendation - just wimpy adolescent excuses and explanation as to why it is not a right option "for me", "at this time."
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If it were that easy, everybody would make aaliyah because you are describing it to be not only free, but something you collect a substantial amount of :$: for. I know people that made aaliyah, some quite recently, and the meager portion they get from Israel and in some cases from the army is barely enough to cover rent in their tiny apartments that they share. Everybody my age that makes aaliyah is still heavily dependent on their parents wallets at this point. Some Rabbis that I know are also in the same boat. It's unfortunate, but I've heard a lot of horror stories about this. We all agree Jews should live in Israel, but they should live there and be financially independent at the very least. From what WhiteIsralite was saying, I think it would be a financial disaster if he went there at this point in his life. On top of his financial troubles, he might have some emotional issues, and I think he should get healthy before he does something that drastic.
So are you saying I am misinterpreting and somehow want to lure, "G-d forbid", Jews to Israel? I do not think that Israel is for everyone - just for those who want to remain normal and Jewish at the same time. For those who are worthy of having Jewish children and live in this country. I do not think Israel is loosing anything valuable by not having Jews who don't want to come here. I simply suggested that a young person , starting basically from scratch, would investigate this option. I provided info on Aliyah as I understand it. Eventually, I do believe it, Israel will enjoy the highest living standards in the world and will be the safest country to live.
BTW, Mo - we ALL don't agree that Jews should live in Israel - I did not have one post supporting my recommendation - just wimpy adolescent excuses and explanation as to why it is not a right option "for me", "at this time."
Just because they CAN'T move there doesn't mean they technically SHOULDN'T. Wimpy adolescent excuses like living in a hole with no food? Just because it's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for the rest of the world to do. We should all learn Torah ALL DAY but you don't see EVERY JEW doing that. Why do you think people with no money and no job in Israel should be there? Wouldn't it be wise to have a plan before one moves there? It's not something you just jump into. Some people have to plan for years, make countless trips, and turn everything inside out before they move there. It's a HUGE step and it requires A LOT of preparation. Just because some spoiled, rich guy on a rich guy on a forum says it's easy, we should all DROP EVERYTHING AND JUST GO?
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BTW, Mo - we ALL don't agree that Jews should live in Israel - I did not have one post supporting my recommendation - just wimpy adolescent excuses and explanation as to why it is not a right option "for me", "at this time."
For what it's worth, I agreed with your posts.
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Why do you think people with no money and no job in Israel should be there?
Can't speak for Manch, but having "no money and no job" is not a good thing no matter where a person is. If the person has no money and no job in Israel, then they can find a job. Just like that same person would try to find a job in the US if he stayed in the US instead.
Wouldn't it be wise to have a plan before one moves there?
Yes I would say so. But for a person who feels like he has 'lost everything' and gone through something very traumatic as in this thread, there wouldn't be much to plan, either here or there. [/quote]
Just because some spoiled, rich guy on a rich guy on a forum says it's easy, we should all DROP EVERYTHING AND JUST GO?
That's the only guy that makes it in Israel? I don't believe that.
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I am a Gentile so it is not my business to tell Jews where to live. Jews have every right to live wherever they want to on this planet Hashem created. That being said, I do believe it is something all Jews should deeply consider. Bolshevik or not, G-d, via the evil Israeli government, has made a wealth of services and benefits available to new Jewish immigrants. If hundreds of thousands of right-wing Jews from all over the world moved to the Holy Land, not only would we have a lot more bodies on the ground for Hayamin, but we would be able to create great public pressure to allow Chaim to make aliyah.
I wish there were a Christian nation that all Christians could move to, anywhere on earth, that would provide them with an apartment, a $50k stipend to get started, and find them a job.
Can I personally buy it that not all Jews are made for Israel? Yes, I can, but I think a lot of Jews use that as a copout so that they can avoid taking a great step forward in their lives. I think that living in Israel, as evil as it is, would be a tremendous psychological and moral boost to countless Jews.
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A wise statement Bones.
Btw, how will we know if Meir Cohen is ok? Did anyone hear from him? I hope he will contact us even if it's just to let us know he is alright.
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Hey buddy, yes talk to Chaim about this, everyone likes you so I don't know where you got that idea from.. We all go through bumps in the road but don't give up.
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I'm no up on what problems you're having, but whatever they may be, good luck.
And you do have plenty of friends.
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When you have hit the bottom White Israelite the only way is UP.
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Could you please explain why not Israel. It is great here. Hot just like in Florida
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I am a Gentile so it is not my business to tell Jews where to live. Jews have every right to live wherever they want to on this planet Hashem created. That being said, I do believe it is something all Jews should deeply consider. Bolshevik or not, G-d, via the evil Israeli government, has made a wealth of services and benefits available to new Jewish immigrants. If hundreds of thousands of right-wing Jews from all over the world moved to the Holy Land, not only would we have a lot more bodies on the ground for Hayamin, but we would be able to create great public pressure to allow Chaim to make aliyah.
Can I personally buy it that not all Jews are made for Israel? Yes, I can, but I think a lot of Jews use that as a copout so that they can avoid taking a great step forward in their lives. I think that living in Israel, as evil as it is, would be a tremendous psychological and moral boost to countless Jews.
Bones, I very much agree with your statement. ;) Yes, everything bad we know about Israel is true - government, leftist, arabs, Sudanese, etc. But there is a tremendous amount of positive in Israel, including very high standards and quality of living. You probably don't believe it - but it feels extremely safe here. Almost every night we go out - yesterday we sat by the beach with other couple till 2.30 in the morning, drinking coffee and chatting. I doubt that you can do so in US. Israel is second after US in number and quality of startups! German-like highways like you'll never see in US or Canada. Children playgrounds that you never see anywhere else. But most, what attracts me here is a sense of normalcy that I feel here. The great weather, skies, scenery of our ancient land, unbelievable food, warm and genuine people - I and my wife really feel a sense of belonging here.
As far as Mo and others, either they think that Israel is in middle of sub Sakharan Africa or they just prefer "learning" to "living." I really don't care - Israel is not losing much by not having Jews who don't want to live here - they do! My whole post was addressed to a right wing Jewish person who hit rock bottom, who starts from scratch and, I thought, should at least consider this option. Doesn't Israel, even in dire straits, worth at least a consideration?