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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rubystars on September 23, 2009, 09:06:57 AM
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WE care about you! We want you to live!
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WE care about you! We want you to live!
Yes i agree Ruby
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Same here, I know of alot of resources, etc...you cannot give up.
WE care about you! We want you to live!
Yes i agree Ruby
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I just called his home and left a message. I was told he was having a medical issue, and that it would be a few days before he could get back to me.
Let's hope everything is OK with him.
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I know from experience, when you are dealing with health issues, your will to live gets effected. It turns into a downward spiral...
I sure hate to see anyone going through this.
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It's really sad that he leave JTF. But maybe he needs a break. Maybe he needs to focus some special things in his life. I am very sure he will not forget us and he will come back if he feel better.
God bless him
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If he needed a break from JTF that would be one thing. I am worried that's not all he meant though. I really want him to be ok.
Thanks Lisa for calling him and leaving a message. I hope there are people who are with him or around him to help him.
One thing people should keep in mind. When you get really depressed, there is a chemical reaction going on in your brain. Your brain can't sustain any really strong emotion for an extended period of time. If someone is very depressed, they will swing back up in mood. You can't be ecstatically happy all the time either (I think Chaim addressed that in some of the Ask JTF broadcasts). Your brain won't allow it, the chemicals will balance themselves out, and your mood will change.
Once your mood comes back up Meir, then you can think clearly and deal with your situation in a productive way. You are brilliant and I believe in you.
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Thank You, Ruby for making this thread.
I was worried when I read his message.
I pray that God will give WhiteIsraelite strength.
Strength to see he can make this into a new beginning.
I'm glad that both you and Lisa reached out to him. I know that we will all be praying for him, after all we are a family.
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Meir, if you have a few minutes, please send me a personal message. Please let me know if there is anything I can do!
We love you and care about you!
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After my stepfather died, I was inactive here for like 3-4 months. Not intentionally, but it just happened. He'll be back after he sorts things out and gets back on his feet.
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Let us hope so. I will be praying for him.
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Meir please don't give up. We are here for you and hoping for the best for you. Things will turn around it will just take some time. We all love you, bro.
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KWR is right. No crisis in life does not come to pass. Everything gets better if you make the effort to, or very often simply in the passage of time. I am a very emotional person and I feel everything very deeply and strongly, but still even the worst of times pass.
I do think that maybe making aliyah would allow you to clear your head and get a fresh start. Yeah you can't own guns there but you will be able to carry on the fight for our movement where it matters. A sober-minded, mature guy like yourself will be able to talk a lot of sense into a lot of left-wing Jews and help Hayamin grow bigtime. But whatever you choose to do, we'll support you. There is never such a thing as no way out. You are valuable to us, the movement, and G-d. Taking your life solves absolutely nothing and makes the Arab scum cheer.
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Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I felt many years ago that way, and I pressed into my faith and to our G-d, and laid my heart before Him and He delivered me out of all of my problems over time. It was not simple or easy, but He is a wonderful and powerful. Never give up and never give in. Bless you!!
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You need a psychiatrist if you are sick.
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You need a psychiatrist if you are sick.
That could have been phrased a little more sensitively.
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My question is simple...
Where did White Israelite ever say he was contemplating suicide? It is a leap from saying Goodbye to people on the forum and assuming that he will take his life. In my contacts with him I feel he is stable and would not do something so irresponsible.
What is it which makes some people feel as if this is a call for help? I am sure he would have said something to indicate that. I don't think it is good to worry like this.
I would like to hear from him to know that this worry is without cause.
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You need a psychiatrist if you are sick.
That could have been phrased a little more sensitively.
For somebody who is contemplating suicide, there is no time for sensitivity. The fact is that somebody who is suicidal NEEDS a psychiatrist asap.
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You need a psychiatrist if you are sick.
That could have been phrased a little more sensitively.
For somebody who is contemplating suicide, there is no time for sensitivity. The fact is that somebody who is suicidal NEEDS a psychiatrist asap.
Where do you see him talking about suicide?
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You need a psychiatrist if you are sick.
That could have been phrased a little more sensitively.
For somebody who is contemplating suicide, there is no time for sensitivity. The fact is that somebody who is suicidal NEEDS a psychiatrist asap.
Where do you see him talking about suicide?
I was just following the other posts that said he was.
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You need a psychiatrist if you are sick.
That could have been phrased a little more sensitively.
For somebody who is contemplating suicide, there is no time for sensitivity. The fact is that somebody who is suicidal NEEDS a psychiatrist asap.
Where do you see him talking about suicide?
I was just following the other posts that said he was.
Whos posts?
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Whos posts?
Look at the title of the thread.
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Whos posts?
Look at the title of the thread.
Thank you captain obvious
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Mainly Rubystar's and Cynthia's posts gave me the idea he was suicidal.
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Mainly Rubystar's and Cynthia's posts gave me the idea he was suicidal.
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Mainly Rubystar's and Cynthia's posts gave me the idea he was suicidal.
In a situation that's as serious as this one, its probably best to assume the worst case scenario.
G-d willing, Meir will contact Chaim, who then might be able to make a recommendation of the best course of action not only for Meir but also for the JTF members as it relates to the situation.
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I started this thread after communicating with him right before, not because of the thread he made.
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I too was under the impression he was suicidal....
Especially after reading the OP.
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I started this thread after communicating with him right before, not because of the thread he made.
His post made me very uneasy.
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I hope someone was able to get to him and make him realize that he is not alone and we're here to help.
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I had this very impression as well - there were some suicidal undertones in his post, however, there was an explicit indication that Meir has a depression. We all should be very concerned about him
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True, Manch. We are all praying for our friend.
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I have the same impression
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we need a praying smiley....
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I had this very impression as well - there were some suicidal undertones in his post, however, there was an explicit indication that Meir has a depression. We all should be very concerned about him
And he made a references to owning guns I believe.
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I had this very impression as well - there were some suicidal undertones in his post, however, there was an explicit indication that Meir has a depression. We all should be very concerned about him
And he made a references to owning guns I believe.
He's really smart when it comes to guns. He knows a lot about them and was helping to teach other JTFers about them. That's one reason he is so valuable to the board.
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Listen Meir, suicide is never the answer. I'll be praying for you.
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Listen Meir, suicide is never the answer. I'll be praying for you.
I'm sure he didn't do that. He needs a break. G-d bless him!
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I had this very impression as well - there were some suicidal undertones in his post, however, there was an explicit indication that Meir has a depression. We all should be very concerned about him
And he made a references to owning guns I believe.
He's really smart when it comes to guns. He knows a lot about them and was helping to teach other JTFers about them. That's one reason he is so valuable to the board.
Yes - he was very informative and gave thoughtful advice.
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HE'S SMART AND DEDICATED
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Its good to see you are out of the hospital.
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Glad you are well brother.
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I hope you feel better.
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well, they kept saying i harmed myself and had me transported to the hospital, then set to the psych ward. My weapons were taken but I don't really care anymore about those. I sat in isolated rooms for 4 hours walking in circles everyday, to be honest, sitting in that room was even worse. I did meet a Zionist doctor though, he said 'are you really a Cohen?' he seemed nice.
The hospital was bad, they pumped me full of all kinds of meds and I was having anxiety attacks and kidney problems, turned out I had a urinary tract infection.
then they put me in the psych ward in a isolated room which had one single window where people scribbled on there with their nails, I was stuck there for about 6 hours and kept walking in circles to buy time, 5 minutes seemed like 5 hours then they transferred me to the clinic, there I was interviewed and they assigned bedrooms, nothing had locks, 24/7 surveillance, couldn't have anything like strings or shoes, some girl even suck in a razor. Everything was top security/deadbolted. I didn't sleep the first night, and the doctors kept on trying to get me on meds, 2nd night, they gave me some sleep meds and I couldn't stop shaking.
Not sure what else to say, the families upset/angry, my girlfriend called me while I was there and she was upset and not sure why I was there, and it just overall was depressing to be there, I hated every minute.
Everyone seems to be upset/angry at me. I read the bible a lot when I was there and talked about my girlfriend. I met a few nice people there. They want to send me to treatment. I'm not sure what my future holds, i'm still kind of in a state of shock, but I hope everything works out.
You may have been septic.
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Well get yourself some rest. Things will work out. You need to regain a foot hold on things and then you will be able to rebuild from there. Keep track of what meds the doctors want to give you and be sure that they do not over medicate you. Remember you have many friends here on the forum. G-d willing things will shape up for you in no time.
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well, they kept saying i harmed myself and had me transported to the hospital, then set to the psych ward. My weapons were taken but I don't really care anymore about those. I sat in isolated rooms for 4 hours walking in circles everyday, to be honest, sitting in that room was even worse. I did meet a Zionist doctor though, he said 'are you really a Cohen?' he seemed nice.
The hospital was bad, they pumped me full of all kinds of meds and I was having anxiety attacks and kidney problems, turned out I had a urinary tract infection.
then they put me in the psych ward in a isolated room which had one single window where people scribbled on there with their nails, I was stuck there for about 6 hours and kept walking in circles to buy time, 5 minutes seemed like 5 hours then they transferred me to the clinic, there I was interviewed and they assigned bedrooms, nothing had locks, 24/7 surveillance, couldn't have anything like strings or shoes, some girl even suck in a razor. Everything was top security/deadbolted. I didn't sleep the first night, and the doctors kept on trying to get me on meds, 2nd night, they gave me some sleep meds and I couldn't stop shaking.
Not sure what else to say, the families upset/angry, my girlfriend called me while I was there and she was upset and not sure why I was there, and it just overall was depressing to be there, I hated every minute.
Everyone seems to be upset/angry at me. I read the bible a lot when I was there and talked about my girlfriend. I met a few nice people there. They want to send me to treatment. I'm not sure what my future holds, i'm still kind of in a state of shock, but I hope everything works out.
Did you actually try to harm yourself? I just don't really think you did. As far as being in a psych unit, I have met some extremely crazy people in my life and I just don't think you are one of them. I have even had the privilege(sarcastically) to work with them and what a nightmare it was. There is even stories I don't even care to talk about right now. Anyway hope you get better and get your life back on track.
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Praying for you, for strength and health.
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Get well soon and rest. We're all praying for you.
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Meir, as hard and traumatic as it is, I think this will work out for the best. Sometimes all of us need a radical wake up call to get our lives back on track when we are at our lowest. You are a very valuable member of our movement and I have no doubt that you'll contribute more than ever after you get back on solid ground. I am praying hard for you and so is my good Christian Zionist friend. G-d bless you.
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well, they kept saying i harmed myself and had me transported to the hospital, then set to the psych ward. My weapons were taken but I don't really care anymore about those. I sat in isolated rooms for 4 hours walking in circles everyday, to be honest, sitting in that room was even worse. I did meet a Zionist doctor though, he said 'are you really a Cohen?' he seemed nice.
The hospital was bad, they pumped me full of all kinds of meds and I was having anxiety attacks and kidney problems, turned out I had a urinary tract infection.
then they put me in the psych ward in a isolated room which had one single window where people scribbled on there with their nails, I was stuck there for about 6 hours and kept walking in circles to buy time, 5 minutes seemed like 5 hours then they transferred me to the clinic, there I was interviewed and they assigned bedrooms, nothing had locks, 24/7 surveillance, couldn't have anything like strings or shoes, some girl even suck in a razor. Everything was top security/deadbolted. I didn't sleep the first night, and the doctors kept on trying to get me on meds, 2nd night, they gave me some sleep meds and I couldn't stop shaking.
Not sure what else to say, the families upset/angry, my girlfriend called me while I was there and she was upset and not sure why I was there, and it just overall was depressing to be there, I hated every minute.
Everyone seems to be upset/angry at me. I read the bible a lot when I was there and talked about my girlfriend. I met a few nice people there. They want to send me to treatment. I'm not sure what my future holds, i'm still kind of in a state of shock, but I hope everything works out.
Did you actually try to harm yourself? I just don't really think you did. As far as being in a psych unit, I have met some extremely crazy people in my life and I just don't think you are one of them. I have even had the privilege(sarcastically) to work with them and what a nightmare it was. There is even stories I don't even care to talk about right now. Anyway hope you get better and get your life back on track.
No I did not harm myself, the bayonet was laying on my bed though, I would spray it down with WD-40 time to time to keep it from rusting, and I probably forgot I had it there because I was literally passed out from lack of sleep, I'd be lucky to get an hour of sleep because of the workload.
So you had a bayonet on your bed I have a machete in between my bed and night stand
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Well I didn't eat for 5 days and didn't sleep for 7 days, so my motor skills were pretty bad and then working outside from 7 to 10 everyday took it's toll on me. The staff stated that it's dangerous to not sleep that long as you can become psychotic and hallucinate due to lack of sleep. The kidneys were killing me though. The medication they gave me is some powerful stuff.
Meir I am so happy to see you are alive and doing ok, or at least getting there. It will work out, things will get better. As far as people being angry with you, please know that none of us here are angry with you, we support you and want you to recover and get back on your feet. I certainly am not angry with you, so if that's any comfort at all please take it. I am pulling for you, you're in my prayers and I'm sure everyone here agrees. I hope you will get the help you need and get back on your feet and that the kidney gets healed up. Please keep in touch. And yes, it is very dangerous to go very long periods of time without sleep so hopefully you'll get healed up in some time and get back on a decent schedule. Best of luck. Please keep in mind things will improve in time.
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I wasn't angry at all I was just scared for you because I want you to be healthy and safe. I'm so glad to see you back on the forum and I know that with God's help that everything will work out for you. Please trust God and stay as positive as you can.
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Meir, you need to know that MANY people appreciate all your efforts in trying to make this a better world and care deeply about you.
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Everyone seems to be upset/angry at me. I read the bible a lot when I was there and talked about my girlfriend. I met a few nice people there. They want to send me to treatment. I'm not sure what my future holds, i'm still kind of in a state of shock, but I hope everything works out.
Meir - nobody was upset with you - we all were really concerned about you and tried to help to the best we knew. I am really happy - I feel that you will be able to turn things around! Shana Tova!
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Refuah Sheleimah.
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Meir,
As we go into Yom Kippur this evening you will be in my thoughts. It is a difficult time for so many people. We should all pull together and work for a better world.
While it is true there are people who are out there who don't care about the people who suffer. These people will be dealt with. It is also true there are very good people out there who truly want to help others.
Please know that we are all one, and we all suffer, and we all try to return to the path of good.
PS: I am so glad I heard from you before this Yom Tov.
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Meir: I am the most imperfect person that I happen to know...and I care about others, I have spent most of my life helping others...now I am exhausted, but that is ok....
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Meir: you must be strong and forget about what others think that do not understand you..>G-d understands you and He is who matters most...don't you ever forget that....we care about you here....
Well everyone in my house is angry at me, they treat me worse than before, it's like instead of saying "are you ok?" "Do you want to talk about it?" it's "your selfish" "your not living here anymore".
None of my friends will talk to me, and the medications are making me feel sick. I really don't know anymore.
I'm starting to believe my own family is the one that's mentally ill. I've exhausted so much money trying to help my mother and trying to save this house and it's like I keep pumping more and more money into it, and no one appreciates a damn thing. Instead I get thrown into a mental facility, not one of the staff gives a crap about the people there, it's just more so "your being punished for suicidal thoughts" and controlling people, the they use all your statements against you while they pretend to care.
People always pretend to care but the fact is most people are selfish and self-centered, they only think about themselves. I've always been the one to sit here and listen to people, offer advice, go up to the lonely person and start talking to them. Most people want you to hear their story but they don't want to hear other people. Few are willing to admit their flaws and think they are perfect.
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None of my friends will talk to me, and the medications are making me feel sick. I really don't know anymore.
I believe that your family have your best interests at heart - listen to them. As far as your friends, coming from my experience - there is no such a thing as a friend unless a) they remain true when you are down. b) they remain true when things are going great for you!
The rest are just acquaintances. You want a good friend - get a dog! Test the others!
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None of my friends will talk to me, and the medications are making me feel sick. I really don't know anymore.
I believe that your family have your best interests at heart - listen to them. As far as your friends, coming from my experience - there is no such a thing as a friend unless a) they remain true when you are down. b) they become true when things are going great for you. The rest are just acquaintances. You want a good friend - get a dog! Test the others!
I don't know about that though there are some dysfunctional families out there and even ones that don't even love there own children.
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Meir, I REALLY believe that you need to go to Israel, and bring your skills. You are TOO YOUNG and brilliant to stay in this dump.
Please listen to these words on this thread, and IM Chaim. I TRULY believe that G-d has a plan for you, IN ISRAEL.
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None of my friends will talk to me, and the medications are making me feel sick. I really don't know anymore.
I believe that your family have your best interests at heart - listen to them. As far as your friends, coming from my experience - there is no such a thing as a friend unless a) they remain true when you are down. b) they become true when things are going great for you. The rest are just acquaintances. You want a good friend - get a dog! Test the others!
I don't know about that though there are some dysfunctional families out there and even ones that don't even love there own children.
Every family has their problems. Not just some. Don't you think ConfederateKahanist?
I find people, in general, are very self centered today, as WhiteIsraelite noted. It has become a me first world.
Still, I pray that your family is just acting out of frustration and love, WhiteIsraelite. It may be hard to see the 'strong' person in the family have troubles. Not that I think that is fair. Life is not fair.
As for friends, a wise man always reminds me you will have many acquaintences in your life but only a few good/true friends. It's best not to expect too much from 'friends'. The true friends will be there no matter what.
Manch is right. A dog can provide great friendship, not asking much in return.
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None of my friends will talk to me, and the medications are making me feel sick. I really don't know anymore.
I believe that your family have your best interests at heart - listen to them. As far as your friends, coming from my experience - there is no such a thing as a friend unless a) they remain true when you are down. b) they become true when things are going great for you. The rest are just acquaintances. You want a good friend - get a dog! Test the others!
I don't know about that though there are some dysfunctional families out there and even ones that don't even love there own children.
Every family has their problems. Not just some. Don't you think ConfederateKahanist?
I find people, in general, are very self centered today, as WhiteIsraelite noted. It has become a me first world.
Still, I pray that your family is just acting out of frustration and love, WhiteIsraelite. It may be hard to see the 'strong' person in the family have troubles. Not that I think that is fair. Life is not fair.
As for friends, a wise man always reminds me you will have many acquaintences in your life but only a few good/true friends. It's best not to expect too much from 'friends'. The true friends will be there no matter what.
Manch is right. A dog can provide great friendship, not asking much in return.
I never said not every family has problem's.
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None of my friends will talk to me, and the medications are making me feel sick. I really don't know anymore.
I believe that your family have your best interests at heart - listen to them. As far as your friends, coming from my experience - there is no such a thing as a friend unless a) they remain true when you are down. b) they become true when things are going great for you. The rest are just acquaintances. You want a good friend - get a dog! Test the others!
I don't know about that though there are some dysfunctional families out there and even ones that don't even love there own children.
Every family has their problems. Not just some. Don't you think ConfederateKahanist?
I find people, in general, are very self centered today, as WhiteIsraelite noted. It has become a me first world.
Still, I pray that your family is just acting out of frustration and love, WhiteIsraelite. It may be hard to see the 'strong' person in the family have troubles. Not that I think that is fair. Life is not fair.
As for friends, a wise man always reminds me you will have many acquaintences in your life but only a few good/true friends. It's best not to expect too much from 'friends'. The true friends will be there no matter what.
Manch is right. A dog can provide great friendship, not asking much in return.
I never said not every family has problem's.
I wasn't saying that you did. Sorry.