why post it here?
The man kissing the mini hitler has 2 choices, kiss him or be killed.
Does anyone doubt the plight of the Iranian Jews?
If the mini hitler of iran can kill his own people in the streets while they are rioting, what is to stop him from killing the 6 thousand plus Jews who are imprisoned there.
I believe if the iranian Jews had the freedom to leave, they would have done so already.
Perhaps and it's possible the man in the picture might actually be a muslim posing as a Jew.
Shalom - Dox
Impostors in Hassidic Garbhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta
by Jonathan Rosenblum
These insane Jews embraced the disciples and followers of their ancestors' murderers and have been spit out by the Torah world.
One need not attribute the decision to splash a large photo of a Jew in hassidic garb kissing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the conference of Holocaust denial in Teheran last week to a desire to cast Torah Jews in a repugnant light. What photo editor could resist such an eye-catching shot?
But I will confess to a certain resentment at feeling forced to disavow a handful of clowns who cannot claim the support of one Torah authority for their actions and who have been spit out by the entire Torah world. The Satmar leadership in Brooklyn put it succinctly: "[Those who went to Iran] trampled on the memory of their ancestors and people. They embraced the disciples and followers of their murderers."
Ha'eda, the official organ of the fiercely anti-Zionist Eda Haharedit, characterized those attending the Teheran conference as a "tiny group of insane people, who are liable to incite hatred against hareidi Jews." The paper's editor, Rabbi Shmuel Pappenheim, lambasted them for having ignored the "opinion of the Torah Sages" in pursuit of their distorted anti-Zionist zealotry.
Ahron Cohen of Manchester, England, one of the attendees at the Teheran conference, has been sent a letter informing him of his expulsion from the hevra kadisha (burial society) to which he belonged, and requesting that he not show his face in the vicinity of Machizkei Hadas, the largest haredi shul in Manchester. He has also been told that he is persona non grata in the Satmar beit medrash (study hall) of Manchester. Rav Elchonon (Huna) Halperin, the senior figure in the haredi community of Golders Green in London, has issued similar instructions for his beis medrash.
Nor was this stance anything new. More than a quarter-century ago, Rabbi Chaim Shmuelevitz, the rosh yeshiva of the Mirrer Yeshiva in Jerusalem, ordered Moshe Hirsch, the self-proclaimed "foreign minister" of a tiny splinter sect of Naturei Karta, out of the Mirrer beit medrash. And a joint statement by Satmar and other American hassidic groups last week noted that these "evil associates of our enemies" were "ejected from our shuls and communities decades ago."
Rabbi Elazar Schach said many times that just as one who denies one mitzva of the Torah is classified as an apikorus or heretic, so is one who elevates any mitzva (or supposed mitzva) of the Torah above all others. At a 2002 Hamas rally in Washington D.C., a speaker dressed as a hassid justified using a microphone on the grounds that destroying Israel supersedes the prohibitions of Shabbat.
But even were this tiny group that turns up at every anti-Israel rally where there are likely to be cameras scrupulous in their observance of Shabbat, their behavior would mark them as imposters posing as religious Jews. Only a Jew driven mad by hatred of Zionism and the state of Israel could ever join hands with the greatest butchers and would-be butchers of Jews in modern times. Documents captured in Operation Defensive Shield in 2002 show Hirsch to have been on the payroll of Yasser Arafat, whom he publicly embraced on many occasions.
Decades ago, Hirsch was chosen to be "rav" of the Purim shpiel in his American yeshiva, and he has been playing the part ever since, long after the joke turned sour. Once aroused, the love of attention, even negative attention, is hard to curb.
"The seal of the Holy One, Blessed be He, is truth," say our sages. Yet those who traveled to Teheran last week willingly and knowingly gave credence to the greatest lie of modern times.
The leading theological opponents of Zionism never mistook the enemy of their enemy for their friend. Mayor John Lindsay once paid a campaign visit to the late Satmar Rebbe, Grand Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum, the fiercest ideological opponent of Zionism. After the meeting, the Satmar Rebbe explained why he had not said a word against Israel: "When a gentile hates Israel, he hates Jews."
Nor did a theological opposition to Zionism ever detract from a concern with the physical well-being and security of the Jews of Israel. Agudath Israel from its inception was anti-Zionist. Yet Rabbi Moshe Sherer, the long-time president of Agudath Israel of America, often said that he took a second-seat to no one when it came to the security of Israel.
He repeatedly placed his web of congressional contacts at the service of Israel's leaders. At a June 17,1970 meeting in the Israeli Embassy in Washington, for instance, Rabbi Sherer offered ambassador Yitzhak Rabin "our help in whatever way we could be used."
Even Agudath Israel's general policy against making common cause with non-Orthodox groups gave way when it came to Israel's security. Thus Agudath Israel found a way to participate in a general protest demonstration in front of the UN against the grant of permanent observer status to the PLO.
In this regard, Rabbi Sherer always quoted the words of his mentor, Rabbi Aharon Kotler, during the Holocaust. When some questioned Rabbi Kotler's readiness to join forces with Reform leader Stephen Wise for rescue, Reb Aharon replied, "I would work with the pope if it would save even the fingernail of one Jewish child."
Passionate concern with every Jewish life has characterized every Torah leader throughout the generations. Those who provided aid and comfort last week to a madman who has repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel and its five million Jewish citizens off the map demonstrated thereby that they have no place in the camp of Torah.
That is a so-called Jew (From New York I beleive) was invited to the hollocaust denial seminar in Iran a couple years backn He is part of a left-wing Jewish group that beleives that Israel has no right to exist.
What good does it do them to observe all the mitzvot but then stab their people in the back? I would think that would outweigh all their good deeds. I'm not Jewish but it seems that way to me.
It's one thing to hold a theological position that Israel is not right for this time. It might be the wrong position, but if they just privately held it and didn't actively harm other Jews, then that would be much better. It's quite another thing entirely to play kissy face with someone who wants to murder millions of Jews. I think that's what gets me upset with them.
I believe that NK violates this mitzvah:
Do not be a tale-bearer among your people. You shall not stand idly by [when] the blood (life) of your fellow [is in danger]. I am Hashem(Leviticus 19:16, Kedoshim )
Do not stand idle over your brothers blood... To me this means that when my brother is bleeding I must act in order to help him. My brother, in this context, means my Jewish brethren and not non-Jews.
http://www.tachash.org/metsudah/v07t.html
http://www.torah.org/learning/jewish-values/brothersblood4.html
And so you feel free to attack fellow jews who, for what they consider good reasons, religious ones at that, cannot support the Jewish State? Last time I looked that was not one of HaShem's requirements for righteous living.
And so you feel free to attack fellow jews who, for what they consider good reasons, religious ones at that, cannot support the Jewish State? Last time I looked that was not one of HaShem's requirements for righteous living.
It's one thing to hold a theological position that Israel is not right for this time. It might be the wrong position, but if they just privately held it and didn't actively harm other Jews, then that would be much better. It's quite another thing entirely to play kissy face with someone who wants to murder millions of Jews. I think that's what gets me upset with them.
I'm afraid that one will require proof.
Neturei Karta morning cup: (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8152/yhst1681965027108320701.jpg)
Problem is they don't hate themselves, they hate the rest of us Jews, and they want the rest of us Jews to die.Neturei Karta morning cup: (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8152/yhst1681965027108320701.jpg)
:::D :::D :::D :::D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;D ;D
:clap:What good does it do them to observe all the mitzvot but then stab their people in the back? I would think that would outweigh all their good deeds. I'm not Jewish but it seems that way to me.
I will try to explain using my best understanding...
They believe that Hashem sent the Jews into exile for a reason. The reason is because we were stabbing ourselves in the back {baseless hatred/Sinat Chinam} and the Temple was destroyed and the Jews scattered to the four corners....
So these Jews believe that Hashem only will bring us back in via the Moshiach, and then we will be able to rebuild the temple. They believe that without Moshiach the current Jewish state is simply anti-Jewish and is not meant to exist from Hashems perspective.
There are times I understand this when I see the wickedness of the Israeli government towards the Jewish people. The Israeli government which is not protecting the Torah and allowing Sabbath desecration in Jerusalem. The Israeli government which says nothing when open homosexuals parade in the streets of Jerusalem. The same Israeli government which is destroying settlements... They are not governed by the laws which Hashem gave us... They are governed by the Communist and Liberal agenda...
So these abherrent Jews decide that they will oppose in the strongest sense the current state of Israel. I think they are dead wrong about Israel and despite my complaints I believe ultimately one day a true Jewish state will be established.
Muman, I'm very disturbed by your comments. Who cares if they believe that they have some religious bases to their attitude/idiology. Wake up and look at what they have done based upon this idiology!!! They went to a FREAKEN HOLLOCAUST DENIAL CONVENTION!!! They kissed the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. They gave legitimacy to denying the hollocaust.
What if there had been a christian religious group during the 1930s that interpreted the bible in such a way that they supported national socialism because of their attitudes towards the unifying Germany with Austria. Would you stand by and say, well.... They are just doing this because of how they interpret the bible? No, you'd say that they are evil and twisted for supporting the Nazis.
I'd like to hear what Chaim has to say about this issue.
Friedman said he was wrong http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,38486.0.htmlFriedman repented
And so you feel free to attack fellow jews who, for what they consider good reasons, religious ones at that, cannot support the Jewish State? Last time I looked that was not one of HaShem's requirements for righteous living.
Not Jewish.It's one thing to hold a theological position that Israel is not right for this time. It might be the wrong position, but if they just privately held it and didn't actively harm other Jews, then that would be much better. It's quite another thing entirely to play kissy face with someone who wants to murder millions of Jews. I think that's what gets me upset with them.
I'm afraid that one will require proof.
He wants to wipe Israel off the map, what else do you think that could mean?
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that "this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Do you support this position, kiwimac? Do you want the Jewish state destroyed?QuotePresident Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that "this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Source: Juan Cole.
Worst Jewish Publicity Stunt
And the winner is...Neturei Karta
Ashton Kutcher could learn a thing or two about Punk-ing people on an international level from the Neturei Karta. This radical fringe group, translated as "Guardians of the City," has caused a ruckus in the Jewish world by attending the Iranian Holocaust Denial Gala this December. The sight of Jews in traditional ultra-orthodox garb was an attempt to lend an air of legitimacy to the theories and machinations of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But Jewish reaction around the world as been unusually unified. The Chassidic Satmar community has come out against Neturei Karta and an Israeli ultra-Orthodox rabbinical court proclaimed the visit to Iran a "desecration of God's name throughout the world" and has excommunicated the group and refused them Jewish services in their local communities. For a group of people that number an estimated 5,000 people worldwide, they might just have to find a new city to be the "guardians" of. Perhaps "Guardians of Tehran?" That has a nice ring to it, doesn't it boys?
:laugh: :laugh: Juan Cole. one of yhe most notorious pro Muslim 'Professors'And so you feel free to attack fellow jews who, for what they consider good reasons, religious ones at that, cannot support the Jewish State? Last time I looked that was not one of HaShem's requirements for righteous living.
Not Jewish.It's one thing to hold a theological position that Israel is not right for this time. It might be the wrong position, but if they just privately held it and didn't actively harm other Jews, then that would be much better. It's quite another thing entirely to play kissy face with someone who wants to murder millions of Jews. I think that's what gets me upset with them.
I'm afraid that one will require proof.
He wants to wipe Israel off the map, what else do you think that could mean?
I wondered if that was what you were quoting. Ready?QuotePresident Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that "this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Source: Juan Cole.
Oh and NK are indeed Jewish. They & you may disagree, that does not remove their 'jewishness.'
Juan Cole is many things but not pro-muslim, why? because he is a Baha'i and why have you put 'professors' in quotes, his qualifications are quite, quite real. I'm glad you know who I am, that is why I use the same name everywhere, I have nothing to hide. No, I do not want the Jewish state destroyed but I also want justice for all people within its boundaries not just some.
HaShem calls for Justice for the stranger in our midst and does not define it any further than that. So the question is what does G-d's call for Shalom mean wrt the Palestinians?
HaShem calls for Justice for the stranger in our midst and does not define it any further than that. So the question is what does G-d's call for Shalom mean wrt the Palestinians?
HaShem calls for Justice for the stranger in our midst and does not define it any further than that. So the question is what does G-d's call for Shalom mean wrt the Palestinians?
Because they are humans made in the image of G-d?
Because they are humans made in the image of G-d?
So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?
So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?What Kiwi is this?? Is this Kiwi from the land of sheep herders?
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/kiwigirl2009/kiwi_fruit.jpg)So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?What Kiwi is this?? Is this Kiwi from the land of sheep herders?
And Shelomo stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the congregation of Israel and spread out his hands toward heaven: and he said, Lord, G-d of Israel, there is no G-d like You, in the heaven above, or on the earth beneath, who keeps covenant and truth with Your servants who walk before You with all their heart… For will G-d indeed dwell on earth? Behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain You; how much less this house that I have built? Have consideration therefore to the prayer of Your servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my G-d, to hearken to the cry and to the prayer, which Your servant prays before You today: that Your eyes may be open towards this house night and day, towards the place of which You have said, My name shall be there: that You may hearken to the prayer which Your servant shall make toward this place. And hearken You to the supplication of Your servant, and of your people Israel, when they shall pray towards this place, and hear You in Your dwelling place: and when You hear, forgive. If any man trespass against his neighbor, and an oath be laid upon him to cause him to swear, and the oath come before Your altar in this house: then hear You in heaven, and do, and judge Your servants, condemning the wicked, to bring his way upon his head; and justifying the righteous, to give him according to his righteousness. When Your people Israel are smitten down before the enemy, because they have sinned against You, and shall turn again to You, and confess Your name, and pray, and make supplication to You in this house: then hear You in heaven, and forgive the sin of Your people Israel, and bring them back to the land which you did give to their fathers. When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against You; if they pray towards this place, and confess Your name, and turn from their sin, when You do afflict them: then hear You in heaven, and forgive the sin of Your servants, and of Your people Israel, that You teach them the good way in which they should walk, and give rain upon Your land, which You have given to Your people for an inheritance. If there be famine in the land, if there be pestilence, blasting, mildew, locust, or if there be caterpillar; if their enemy besiege them in the land of their cities; whatever plague, whatever sickness there be: whatever prayer and whatever supplication is made by any man, or by all Your people Israel, (who shall know every man the plague of his own heart) and be spread forth his hands towards this house: then hear You in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart You know: (for You, You only, know the hearts of all the children of men;) that they may fear You all the days that they live in the land which You did give to our fathers. Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of Your people Israel, but comes out of a far country for Your name's sake: (for they shall hear of Your great name, and of Your strong hand, and of Your stretched out arm;) when he shall come and pray towards this house; hear You in heaven Your dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calls to You for: that all people of the earth may know Your name, to fear You, as do Your people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have built is called by Your name. If Your people go out to battle against their enemy, wherever You shall send them, and shall pray to the Lord towards the city which You have chosen, and towards the house that I have built for Your name: then hear You in heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause. If they sin against You, (for there is no man who does not sin) and You be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives to the land of the enemy, far or near; yet if they take thought in the land where they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their capture, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness; and so they return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You towards their land, which You did give to their fathers, the city which You have chosen and the house which I have built for Your name: then hear You their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people that have sinned against You, and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against you, and give them compassion before them who carried them captive, that they may have compassion on them: for they are Your people, and Your inheritance, whom You did bring out of Egypt, out of the midst of the iron furnace: that Your eyes may be open to the supplication of Your servant, and to the supplication of Your people Israel, to hearken to them in all that they call for to You. For You did separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be Your inheritance, as You did speak by the hand of Moshe Your servant, when You did bring our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord G-d. (I Melakhim 8:27-29)
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/kiwigirl2009/kiwi_fruit.jpg)So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?What Kiwi is this?? Is this Kiwi from the land of sheep herders?
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/kiwigirl2009/kiwi_fruit.jpg)So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?What Kiwi is this?? Is this Kiwi from the land of sheep herders?
Shoot, I thought it was Pee-Wee!(http://www.ordable.com/img/lists/who-is-the-greatest-entertainer-of-all-time/items/2707200918381PeeWeeHerman.jpg)
PeeWee Herman
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/kiwigirl2009/kiwi_fruit.jpg)So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?What Kiwi is this?? Is this Kiwi from the land of sheep herders?
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/kiwigirl2009/kiwi_fruit.jpg)So then G-d was lying when he commanded the People of Israel to treat the stranger in their midst with compassion?What Kiwi is this?? Is this Kiwi from the land of sheep herders?
Sorry, the kiwi FRUIT is NOT from New Zealand, it is original from CHINA! The kiwi bird however, IS from NZ! ;D
1 minute of research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwifruit
Also known as the Chinese gooseberry,[1] the fruit was renamed for export marketing reasons in the 1950s; briefly to melonette, and then by New Zealand exporters to kiwifruit. This latter name comes from the kiwi — a flightless bird and New Zealand's national symbol, and also a colloquial name for the New Zealand people.
Absolutely wrong stereotype! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
What happened to the Kiwi for hamas troll?
18 He doth execute justice for the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19 Love ye therefore the stranger; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 10:18-19
Nope, his internet connection is playing up. But all will be well tomorrow (or so the local Telecom tells me.) I am not FOR Hamas nor AGAINST the Jewish people but I am for compassion to the stranger in your midst (which BTW does not solely refer to proselytes.)Quote18 He doth execute justice for the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19 Love ye therefore the stranger; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 10:18-19
The people of Israel were not Egyptian proselytes, they simply dwelt in Egypt and so G-d commands compassion and love for the stranger in your midst.