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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: ProudToBeSerb on January 20, 2010, 01:02:43 PM
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Stipe Mesic croatian president talk to a newspaper that in case of separation Republika Srpska from Bosina and Hercegovina he will invade Republika Srpska with military forces.
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Cheap political sensationalism: he's out of power and wants to provoke, even if it's more than notorious he deeply hates Serbs, since the days in communist-terrorist gangs, so-called "partisans" which collaborated with the Nazis, and known by the Allied political and military top as "the croatian army". >:(
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I volunteer to pluck his ( Mesich )beard
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They are joining NATO and that is real threat... Maybe it's gonna happend in near future, nothing is imposible...
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Republika Srpska is much stronger than Mesic thinks. We have the most experienced army in Europe. No Croat would come out alive from there. Plus, fighters from Serbia would would cross Drina river and defeat nazis once and for all. I am not afraid from NATO. NATO cowards could only bomb hospitals, radio and telvision stations, bridges and other civilian objects. Up to 500 Serbian soldiers died in NATO invasion mostly from Albanian gangs. Our military stayed almost untouched. Mesic is overt nazi and he admitted that himself. How can people in Republika Srpska be afraid of Croatian nazis? There is no way.
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Republika Srpska is much stronger than Mesic thinks. We have the most experienced army in Europe. No Croat would come out alive from there. Plus, fighters from Serbia would would cross Drina river and defeat nazis once and for all. I am not afraid from NATO. NATO cowards could only bomb hospitals, radio and telvision stations, bridges and other civilian objects. Up to 500 Serbian soldiers died in NATO invasion mostly from Albanian gangs. Our military stayed almost untouched. Mesic is overt nazi and he admitted that himself. How can people in Republika Srpska be afraid of Croatian nazis? There is no way.
Problems are arms: there was a demilitarization of my fellow Serbs and RE-militarization of Croats, shiptars and bosnian moslems in the Balkans with new modern equipment, and it is not sure that Serbia under such rulers we have on the political scene in Serbia, would delare war as a respond to an ustashi attack on Serbs west from the Drina, as Milosevic also never did.
Problem is also that Serbs are surrounded by NATO, and there also already is NATO on Serbian soil, through the nobody-knows-how-many agents going through the US embassy, as "srbian democrats" signed a treatee several years ago that enables US forces to cross Serbian territory whenever they want, with just informing the officials, but not even asking for permission. >:(
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Does Croatia want to annex Republika Srpska? As far as I know, present-day Srpska used to be part of Nazi Croatia during WW 2.
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Does Croatia want to annex Republika Srpska? As far as I know, present-day Srpska used to be part of Nazi Croatia during WW 2.
They want to annex Republika Srpska to provoke Serbs, but this time they are much stronger because NATO is gonna equipe them and albanians and everyone who can be used against us. It's not so naive situation and it's a real danger and if it's gonna happens it could be in very near future I think in my life time...
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Does Croatia want to annex Republika Srpska? As far as I know, present-day Srpska used to be part of Nazi Croatia during WW 2.
Croatia can't annex Srpska because foreign powers wouldn't allow it, but their leadership would love to help Bosnian muslims destroy it, and make a muslim dominated Bosnia.
I don't know if we would be able to defend ourselves, because NATO, USA and Europe weakened our army, and who knows if Serbia would intervene. On the other hand, I don't think Croats have the will to die for something like that.
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Does Croatia want to annex Republika Srpska? As far as I know, present-day Srpska used to be part of Nazi Croatia during WW 2.
Croatia can't annex Srpska because foreign powers wouldn't allow it, but their leadership would love to help Bosnian muslims destroy it, and make a muslim dominated Bosnia.
I don't know if we would be able to defend ourselves, because NATO, USA and Europe weakened our army, and who knows if Serbia would intervene. On the other hand, I don't think Croats have the will to die for something like that.
Croatia wouln't have the courage or foreign support to do it. Why? Primarily because of today's Putin Russia (not 1990's Yeltsin's) is fully supportive of Republika Srpska and have massive investments in Srpska. I strongly doubt that they would try. Further, Croatia's economy and Muslim/Croat Federation is severely bad due to great decrease of foreign aid. For the past few years, RS economy has been much better than that of the other Muslim/Croat Federation.
Croats would definitely not want Muslims to have full control of Srpska because if it happened, Croatia would definitely be next of the list of islamization. It would also signal the fall of Tadic's traitorous regime by the people, just like the one in 2000. Nationalists would be back in power (which I would welcome), volunteers from Serbia & Montenegro, arms from Russia & China. Yes, both Russia and China have economic ties in RS. You must look at it more at an economical, rather than military aspect. Everyone protects their own economic interests.
Since Milorad Dodik (my favorite Serbian leader right now) came to power, Western powers together have been trying to overthrow Dodik, but are yet to do so because of Dodik's popularity and again, Russia and China.
Istra Peninsula has a large Italian population and was NEVER part of Croatia. This Italian population and even good part of Dalmatian coast is pro-italian, rather than pro-Nazi Croatian. Since 1945, they have wanted to be part of Italy. Many Serbs mistake those who live in Dalmatia to be pro-Nazi Croats, but that is so innacurate.
NATO would not be able to get involved because according to it's own rules, which they themselves have broken often, NATO allies help each other "ONLY" when one of the members is attacked, not if they are attacking someone.
In conclusion, Croats have enough of their own problems.
Would I personally like the war to occur. That is a hard question to answer because I am against killing innocent civilians, even Croatian civilians due to some egoistical idiot who wants it. Why he said it? Maybe because he is smoking some good chronic.
On the pro-war side, I would like to see some old scores settled once and for all. I don't think that Serbs should take the whole country, but rather take only what is rightfully ours, Italians take what's rightfully theirs....no more or less. This would pretty much make true croatia the size of Rhode Island (no offense intended to Rhode Islanders). Pretty much, Zagorje (area around Zagreb) would be central Croatia. Those are the Croats that you have to be careful with because those are the true Croats and would kill anyone who isn't a Roman Catholic Croat, period.
You have to understand that eventhough what they did to us in the last 100 years, that nothing goes unpunished. I just hope that if it happens, that Serbs will show more mercy towards Croats than they did towards us. We have to learn how to play the game on our own. Western economies and influences worldwide are slowly dissipating ( NO $$$ for new wars),while new economic blocks are taking over. If anything, this insult by Croatia is nothing but a last attempt to stop this, but to no avail yet. Current Croatian foreign debt is over $45 billion, some of it to Russia and China.
For example, in 2008, during the Georgian war, Western Powers, led by US were testing Russian response. I believe that they were completely shocked by the intensity of the Russian force that the conflict taught them that today's Russia will not allow someone to get involved in their zone of influence. NEVER COMPARE 90'S RUSSIA TO PUTIN'S RUSSIA because it is an understatement. Putin has more than once shown this...remember Chechnya...what's Chechnya..........exactly).
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Thank you for extensive analysis! I hope Russia and China will not abandon Srpska in case of war.
Did Croatia try to invade Srpska after they destroyed Serbian Krajina in 1990-es? If yes, were Croats defeated on the battlefield?
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Did Croatia try to invade Srpska after they destroyed Serbian Krajina in 1990-es? If yes, were Croats defeated on the battlefield?
The army of Croatia tried to conquer the capitol of Republic of Srpska [Banja Luka] after the brutal invasion of Republic of Serbian Krajina in 1995.
The Croats and Muslims were not defeated on the battlefields. The armies of Republic of Croatia and the Croatian-Muslim coalition from Bosnia and Herzegovina were physically able to crush the Bosnian Serbs in 1995, after the fall of Krajina. But they did not succeed.
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Thank you for extensive analysis! I hope Russia and China will not abandon Srpska in case of war.
Did Croatia try to invade Srpska after they destroyed Serbian Krajina in 1990-es? If yes, were Croats defeated on the battlefield?
Regular army of Croatia did invade Republika Srpska after the fall of Krajina in 1995, with the support of western powers. Milosevic kept Serbian army out of it, and even imposed sanctions on Bosnian Serbs, because he wanted to be seen as a peacemaker. He thought he was going to be nominated for Nobel peace prize:) That's why I don't see him as a big victim. He betrayed our people west of Drina river.
Arkan fought heroically at that time against Croats for Banjaluka, but I think in the end we would have lost the western part of Republika Srpska. It was about 1.5 million Serbs (without gas for tanks) against 5 million Croats and 2 million muslims.
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Thank you for extensive analysis! I hope Russia and China will not abandon Srpska in case of war.
Did Croatia try to invade Srpska after they destroyed Serbian Krajina in 1990-es? If yes, were Croats defeated on the battlefield?
Regular army of Croatia did invade Republika Srpska after the fall of Krajina in 1995, with the support of western powers. Milosevic kept Serbian army out of it, and even imposed sanctions on Bosnian Serbs, because he wanted to be seen as a peacemaker. He thought he was going to be nominated for Nobel peace prize:) That's why I don't see him as a big victim. He betrayed our people west of Drina river.
Arkan fought heroically at that time against Croats for Banjaluka, but I think in the end we would have lost the western part of Republika Srpska. It was about 1.5 million Serbs (without gas for tanks) against 5 million Croats and 2 million muslims.
Was it Arkan who prevented the occupation of Srpska by Croats and Muslims? Why Croats and Muslims had to agree to split Bosnia into Srpska and Croat-Muslim Federation despite their military andvantage, support of the West and inaction of Milosevic's Yugoslavia?
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Was it Arkan who prevented the occupation of Srpska by Croats and Muslims?
I don't think so. Like I said, he fought bravely, but he had no more than 500 men under his command.
Why Croats and Muslims had to agree to split Bosnia into Srpska and Croat-Muslim Federation despite their military andvantage, support of the West and inaction of Milosevic's Yugoslavia?
Good question. Probably Milosevic made a deal with Americans. Serbs lose Krajina and some land in western Bosnia, Yugoslavian army keeps out of it, and then he becomes a great peacemaker in Dayton and gets to stay in power.
Milosevic was forcing Bosnian Serbs to accept a peace plan (Vance-Owen plan) as early as 1993. That plan was a disaster for Serbs and much worse than Dayton. (Similar to what Jewish "peacemakers" are proposing to Israel) Fortunately, Bosnian Serbs said F.Y. to Milosevic.
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Was it Arkan who prevented the occupation of Srpska by Croats and Muslims?
Arkan controlled a small paramilitary army and was not able to resist the Croatian and Bosnian Muslim forces.
Why Croats and Muslims had to agree to split Bosnia into Srpska and Croat-Muslim Federation despite their military andvantage, support of the West and inaction of Milosevic's Yugoslavia?
Like you said before the army of Republic of Croatia along with the Croat-Muslim coallition from Bosnia and Herzegovina went direction the capitol of RS, Banja Luka after, the defeat of Republic of Serbian Krajina. They tried to achieve the same in RS in 1995, after the brutal invasion of Krajina.
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Why Croats and Muslims had to agree to split Bosnia into Srpska and Croat-Muslim Federation despite their military andvantage, support of the West and inaction of Milosevic's Yugoslavia?
Like you said before the army of Republic of Croatia along with the Croat-Muslim coallition from Bosnia and Herzegovina went direction the capitol of RS, Banja Luka after, the defeat of Republic of Serbian Krajina. They tried to achieve the same in RS in 1995, after the brutal invasion of Krajina.
I understand. The question is why Croats and Muslims did not conquer Banja Luka and the rest of RS. Maybe, like voo-yo said, Milosevic made some kind of a deal with the US.
Btw, welcome to the forum. Добро нам дошао!
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Btw, welcome to the forum. Добро нам дошао!
Thanks for the welcome!
Maybe, like voo-yo said, Milosevic made some kind of a deal with the US.
They supported the invasion of the Serbian territories. The NATO participated in the so called operation strom, the invasion of Krajina and carried out military strikes against the army of Republic of Srpska.
The US allowed and also participated in the Croatian aggresion on Krajina, an area which was placed under UN-protection. The NATO would not have a problem if the Croats together with Muslims would also invade RS in 1995.
Currenlty the NATO and US representatives are proclaiming that the exinstence of RS within Bosnia and Herzegovina is unnecessary. They advocate for the elimination of RS and the centralization of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Back then the US would tolerate an invasion against RS just like they tolerated the invasion against Republic of Serbian Krajina.
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Btw, welcome to the forum. Добро нам дошао!
Thanks for the welcome!
Maybe, like voo-yo said, Milosevic made some kind of a deal with the US.
They supported the invasion of the Serbian territories. The NATO participated in the so called operation strom, the invasion of Krajina and carried out military strikes against the army of Republic of Srpska.
The US allowed and also participated in the Croatian aggresion on Krajina, an area which was placed under UN-protection. The NATO would not have a problem if the Croats together with Muslims would also invade RS in 1995.
Currenlty the NATO and US representatives are proclaiming that the exinstence of RS within Bosnia and Herzegovina is unnecessary. They advocate for the elimination of RS and the centralization of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Back then the US would tolerate an invasion against RS just like they tolerated the invasion against Republic of Serbian Krajina.
Spectator asked why did Croats and Muslims stop their offensive. You gave him no answer. The fact is Bosnian Serb army was in difficult position in the late summer of 1995. They had no petrol for their vehicles and the enemy was numerically superior. Republika Srpska was attacked from all sides. Yugoslavia imposed sanctions on them.
Croats and Muslims had no reason to stop their attack unless Americans told them to stop. Americans told them to stop most probably because they had a deal with Milosevic. Milosevic must have agreed to give Krajina and a piece of western Bosnia and in turn Americans declare him "a man of peace".
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From the beginning of the war the Americans along with the European Community advocated for the independence of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. The Americans did not want to see Serbian Republics within Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. The American foreign policy was clear about that.
I believe that Milosevic made some deals with America. I agree with you on that.
I do not think at all that the Americans respected their deals with Slobodan Milosevic. If it was in the interest of the American objectives, than the Americans would probably respect those so called agreements. The Americans were against any form of Serbian control within Bosnia and Herzegovina or Republic of Croatia. The behavior of the American foreign policy and its representatives was clear about that on the terrain. The Americans would not endanger their own agenda because of Milosevic and their deal with him.
I do not think that the prevention of the Croatian-Muslim invasion of Republic of Srpska was a consequence of some kind of deals between America and Milosevic.
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From the beginning of the war the Americans along with the European Community advocated for the independence of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. The Americans did not want to see Serbian Republics within Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. The American foreign policy was clear about that.
I believe that Milosevic made some deals with America. I agree with you on that.
I do not think at all that the Americans respected their deals with Slobodan Milosevic. If it was in the interest of the American objectives, than the Americans would probably respect those so called agreements. The Americans were against any form of Serbian control within Bosnia and Herzegovina or Republic of Croatia. The behavior of the American foreign policy and its representatives was clear about that on the terrain. The Americans would not endanger their own agenda because of Milosevic and their deal with him.
They thought that Serbs will, as time goes by, give in to western demands and that Republika Srpska will slowly and quietly disappear. Exactly that was happening until a few years ago, when Dodik stopped that process.
I do not think that the prevention of the Croatian-Muslim invasion of Republic of Srpska was a consequence of some kind of deals between America and Milosevic.
Then how do you explain it? They were near Banjaluka when they stopped. Why do you think they signed the Dayton agreement?
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Do any of you who think that Croats would be able to crush Srpska know how large army Serbs had at that time? It is insane to say that muslim-croat coalition would even enter Banja Luka :laugh: You are under muslim propaganda which states that Americans saved Serbs by not letting ustasha-muslim forces to take over Banja Luka :laugh:
I just do not beleive what am I reading here :o
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They thought that Serbs will, as time goes by, give in to western demands and that Republika Srpska will slowly and quietly disappear. Exactly that was happening until a few years ago, when Dodik stopped that process.
Do you mean that Americans didn't want Serbs to have real autonomy in Bosnia, but they needed some puppet Serbian entity, just to present themselves as peacemakers who are just to all sides?
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Do any of you who think that Croats would be able to crush Srpska know how large army Serbs had at that time? It is insane to say that muslim-croat coalition would even enter Banja Luka :laugh: You are under muslim propaganda which states that Americans saved Serbs by not letting ustasha-muslim forces to take over Banja Luka :laugh:
I just do not beleive what am I reading here :o
Can you tell us about the defence forces of Srpska and how they battled Croats and Muslims on the ground?
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They thought that Serbs will, as time goes by, give in to western demands and that Republika Srpska will slowly and quietly disappear. Exactly that was happening until a few years ago, when Dodik stopped that process.
Do you mean that Americans didn't want Serbs to have real autonomy in Bosnia, but they needed some puppet Serbian entity, just to present themselves as peacemakers who are just to all sides?
Of course. They couldn't destroy Srpska in 1995. completely because people in Serbia wouldn't allow it. They wanted it to be a slow process, and they are still working on it. Dodik bothers them, and that's why I fear for his life.
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Do any of you who think that Croats would be able to crush Srpska know how large army Serbs had at that time? It is insane to say that muslim-croat coalition would even enter Banja Luka :laugh: You are under muslim propaganda which states that Americans saved Serbs by not letting ustasha-muslim forces to take over Banja Luka :laugh:
I just do not beleive what am I reading here :o
Can you tell us about the defence forces of Srpska and how they battled Croats and Muslims on the ground?
We had such a strong fighters in that area that it would be a suicide mission to even think about attacking Banja Luka. Krajina Serbs lost war not on the battle field but they were give order from politicians to retreat. I will provide you a list of our troops. I had some good information before. Trust me what I tell you-there is no way they would advance any futher into our territory
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They thought that Serbs will, as time goes by, give in to western demands and that Republika Srpska will slowly and quietly disappear. Exactly that was happening until a few years ago, when Dodik stopped that process.
I agree. Everybody can see that through the centralization the EU tries to administratively eliminate the Serbian entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina. They are using their followers within the Muslim-Croat federation to accomplish that.
The US functionaries like R. Holbrook and other top diplomats regret the fact that Republic of Srpska did not disappear in 1995, just like Krajina. They say in front of the media, that 1995 was the perfect time to eliminate the ‘’murderous’’ regime of Banja Luka. Like you say, they are trying to gradually eliminate all the attributes of RS and that can lead to the separation of RS from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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Can you tell us about the defence forces of Srpska and how they battled Croats and Muslims on the ground?
If we want to debate the conflicts between the Serbian forces west from the river of Drina [Krajina and Bosnia & Herzegovina] and the forces of Republic of Croatia and the Croatian-Muslim coalition from Bosnia and Herzegovina, than we must bare in mind that the statistics were on the side of the Croats and Muslims, during 1991-1995. In 1990 the Croats constituted 79% of Croatia’s population and within Bosnia and Herzegovina the Croats and Muslims constituted approximately 65% of the total population. The numbers were on their sides.
In 1995 the Croats and Muslims were well armed, enjoyed political, military and media support from the Western world. Their motivation was very high.
If the army of Krajina did not withdraw to Serbia, than the Croat-Muslim coalition would have a problem with the Serbs west from the river of Drina. After the fall of Krajina, Republic of Croatia was able to send all of its forces to Bosnia and with the help of the Bosnian Croats and Muslims, Croatia could enter in Banja Luka. After all they did not realize their intention to destroy RS. Why? Only those Serbs who were present on the terrain know why the Croatian and Muslim forces did not invade RS, after the defeat of Krajina. After the end of Krajina, the remaining Bosnian Serbs could not resist the Croats and the Bosnian Muslims, who were supported by NATO. We all know that! The Croatian-Muslim propaganda claims that America prevented the invasion against RS in 1995. If you only know that, than you do not know the whole story! Remember, the Americans only care about their own interests. The American interests were to be compared to the interests of Croatia and the Bosnian Muslims. So it is very contradictive to claim that America stopped the Croatian invasion against the Bosnian Serbs!!
I will tell you why the forces of Republic of Croatia and the Croat-Muslim coalition of BiH were stopped from conquering Banja Luka.
After the tragic fall of Republic of Serbian Krajina more than 250.000 Serbian refugees arrived to the territory of Republic of Serbia. The authorities of Republic of Serbia were extremely surprised about the amount of refugees from Krajina. It was a chaos and Serbia was not prepared to receive that amount of refugees. The authorities of Republic of Serbia were not happy about that situation. During these moments the Croatian and Bosnian forces arrived near Banja Luka. Republic of Serbia could not handle the refuges from Krajina and in case that RS also falls, than Republic of Serbia would be totally exhausted by the amount of refugees.
So when the Croats and Muslims were going towards Banja Luka, the authorities of Republic of Serbia started to mobilize the army of Republic of Serbia and Montenegro.
If the Croatians and Muslims start to attack Banja Luka, the army of Republic of Serbia and Montenegro would get involved in the conflict. Everybody who was present in Serbia in 1995 knows that a mobilization was taking place, because the Croats and Muslims threaded to also occupy RS. The authorities of Republic of Serbia did betray Krajina, but they would not tolerate the expasion of Croatia until the river of Drina. The deal was to surrender Krajina and to control atleast the areas of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which were near Serbia.
The Americans were informed about the fact that in case the Croats attack Banja Luka, the army of Republic of Serbia and Montenegro may get involved in the war. The Americans did everything in power to prevent an eventual involvement of Republic of Serbia in the war in Bosnia; this because if Serbia gets involved in the war the interests of the Croats and Muslims would be endangered.
Thats why the Americans suggested to Croatia to aviod an eventual military confrontation with Serbia. It was quite possible that Serbia would stop the invasion of RS, because Serbia could not handle all the refugees any longer.
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Austrian soldiers were well armed, and Hitler had a huge army and lost :::D Muslims and Croatian nazis were encouraged by NATO bombings and that is all. We lost three cities totaling 100.000 people together :laugh: They would not even take that but our communications were cut off by NATO bombs. Attacking Banja Luka was a suicide mission.
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After the tragic fall of Republic of Serbian Krajina more than 250.000 Serbian refugees arrived to the territory of Republic of Serbia. The authorities of Republic of Serbia were extremely surprised about the amount of refugees from Krajina. It was a chaos and Serbia was not prepared to receive that amount of refugees. The authorities of Republic of Serbia were not happy about that situation. During these moments the Croatian and Bosnian forces arrived near Banja Luka. Republic of Serbia could not handle the refuges from Krajina and in case that RS also falls, than Republic of Serbia would be totally exhausted by the amount of refugees.
So when the Croats and Muslims were going towards Banja Luka, the authorities of Republic of Serbia started to mobilize the army of Republic of Serbia and Montenegro.
If the Croatians and Muslims start to attack Banja Luka, the army of Republic of Serbia and Montenegro would get involved in the conflict. Everybody who was present in Serbia in 1995 knows that a mobilization was taking place, because the Croats and Muslims threaded to also occupy RS. The authorities of Republic of Serbia did betray Krajina, but they would not tolerate the expasion of Croatia until the river of Drina. The deal was to surrender Krajina and to control atleast the areas of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which were near Serbia.
The Americans were informed about the fact that in case the Croats attack Banja Luka, the army of Republic of Serbia and Montenegro may get involved in the war. The Americans did everything in power to prevent an eventual involvement of Republic of Serbia in the war in Bosnia; this because if Serbia gets involved in the war the interests of the Croats and Muslims would be endangered.
Thats why the Americans suggested to Croatia to aviod an eventual military confrontation with Serbia. It was quite possible that Serbia would stop the invasion of RS, because Serbia could not handle all the refugees any longer.
That is really interesting and makes sense. Does that mean that even though Milosevic betrayed Krajina, he was not a complete traitor and cared for the rest of Serbian nation?
I also wonder why Americans prevented the direct conflict between Republic of Serbia and Croatia. Did they feared Croatia would be defeated?
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That is really interesting and makes sense. Does that mean that even though Milosevic betrayed Krajina, he was not a complete traitor and cared for the rest of Serbian nation?
You pull the right conclusion when you say that Milosevic betrayed Krajina.
By surrendering Krajina to Croatia, Milosevic endangered both Serbia and Serbian Bosnia and Herzegovina [Republika Srpska]. That makes him a complete traitor.
I hope that you understand that Milosevic's politic was a danger to the survival of all Serbs.
Slobodan Milosevic was not a real Serb and he was also not a real man.
He was a communist above everything and he only cared about his position.
He was able to eliminate his political opponents if it would benefit his position. There is nothing Serbian about him. He was not Serbian, neither human.
The regime of Milosevic was able to betray Krajina, but because of the pressure of the refugees the regime did not want to lose RS. They could handle anymore refugees and that's why they did not want RS to be defeated.
I also wonder why Americans prevented the direct conflict between Republic of Serbia and Croatia. Did they feared Croatia would be defeated?
Well Croatia was 5 years long so called oppressed by a Serbian town [Knin] and it’s surrounding Serbian villages. Croatia needed 5 years to defeat the Krajina Serbs, who constituted only 20% of Croatia's population. Poor Croatia was from 1991 to 1995 under threat of the Serbian minority? Croatia was not attacked by the Serbian minority, that’s funny; the Serbian minority was attacked by the Croatian regime, which eliminated the clause on the Serbian sovereignty from Croatia's constitution.
In the beginning Serbia supported the Serbian minority which was under threat of Croatian neo fascism. It is a tragedy that Belgrade did not support the Krajina Serbs until the last moments.
Croatia could not even handle the Serbian minority by it self, let alone Republic of Serbia. The US did everything in power to prevent an eventual conflict between Serbia and Croatia. Because if Serbia would get involved in the war, the numbers would be on the side of the Serbs.
Before the Croatian invasion against the Republic of Serbian Krajina occurred in 1995 [operation Storm] the US said to Milosevic that he is authorized to do everything with his current opponents. That’s why Slobodan Milosevic arrested Vojislav Seselj along with high ranking members of the nationalist opposition party and placed them in jail; this while the Croats were carrying out genocide on the Krajina Serbs. What a national shame!
Slobodan Milosevic is the father of Republic of Croatia. He ordered the withdraw of the army of Krajina and allowed Croatia to expelled and murder Serbian people.
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I'm 19 years old so I don't know much about that war,I was just a 3-4 year old kid in that time... But can someone answer me what interest they have in destroying Serbia??? I have been watched Prof.Dr. Jovan Deretic on youtube and he explain that vatican and some other countries change our entire history and that's 2-3 thousand years ago... I just do not uderstand what interest they have in doing such terible things???
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But can someone answer me what interest they have in destroying Serbia??? I just do not uderstand what interest they have in doing such terible things???
They do not like the fact that the Serbs are the oldest state-building nation of the Balkans. In order to control the Balkans they are eliminating the Serbs from their territories and they are using invented nations and people who recently arrived to the Balkans to carry out the extermination of the Serbs.
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Why Balcan is so important to them???
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They need to control the Balkans in order to get closer to the surrounding of Russia.
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They need to control the Balkans in order to get closer to the surrounding of Russia.
But from geographic point of view, Serbia - and even the whole Balkans - is not the main direction from where you can get close to Russia. Former soviet republics of Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan are much closer to Russia, and seem to be more important for that. There are pro-Russian and pro-Western movements/trends in all these countries but none of them had such bloody internal wars as former Yugoslavia.
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They need to control the Balkans in order to get closer to the surrounding of Russia.
But from geographic point of view, Serbia - and even the whole Balkans - is not the main direction from where you can get close to Russia. Former soviet republics of Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan are much closer to Russia, and seem to be more important for that. There are pro-Russian and pro-Western movements/trends in all these countries but none of them had such bloody internal wars as former Yugoslavia.
Yes but why?
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They need to control the Balkans in order to get closer to the surrounding of Russia.
But from geographic point of view, Serbia - and even the whole Balkans - is not the main direction from where you can get close to Russia. Former soviet republics of Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan are much closer to Russia, and seem to be more important for that. There are pro-Russian and pro-Western movements/trends in all these countries but none of them had such bloody internal wars as former Yugoslavia.
Yes but why?
That what I ask Novakovic. If there are countries that want to surround Russia, they should have struggled to get control of the countries that border with Russia and are important to Russian economy, military, etc. Serbia is not one of them. Therefore I think there should be another reason for the interest in the Balkans.
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Milosevic was not a traitor. He was just alone in his struggle. Republic Srpska could not taken!! Banja Luka was could not be taken and even if nazis take Banja Luka there is a huge land mass to conquer. Muslims could not come closer to my city :laugh: They were over hour away entire war :dance:
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Look there are several reasons why the West tries to eliminate the Serbs from the Balkans. The major reason is because of the Russian federation, which they want to encircel. If they eliminate Russia's allies on the Balkans, they can focus on Russia.
This is a part of the American Geo-Political "Chess Game".
You must understand this game in order to understand why they need to eliminate Serbia.
Belgrade = Knight
Moscow = King
If you want to eliminate the king, you must first deal with the knight.
There is only one pro-Russian country on the Balkans and that is Serbia.
This does make sence.
Of course there are also other reasons. I am just mentioning one of them..
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Look there are several reasons why the West tries to eliminate the Serbs from the Balkans. The major reason is because of the Russian federation, which they want to encircel. If they eliminate Russia's allies on the Balkans, they can focus on Russia.
This is a part of the American Geo-Political "Chess Game".
You must understand this game in order to understand why they need to eliminate Serbia.
Belgrade = Knight
Moscow = King
If you want to eliminate the king, you must first deal with the knight.
There is only one pro-Russian country on the Balkans and that is Serbia.
This does make sence.
Of course there are also other reasons. I am just mentioning one of them..
USA could deal with us easily, they have some interest in our country and that have nothing to do with Rusia...
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Yes it has nothing to do with Russia..... :)
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Yes it has nothing to do with Russia..... :)
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Ti si neki zajebant :::D
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Чекај ипак ја сам стариј и ја знам нешто о овим стварима. Зато неби било лоше да мене послушаш. Ипак млађи треба да од старијег учи! Читаве деценије трају напори да не дође до владе проруске оријентације у Београду. To ти је одговор на твоје питање..
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Читаве деценије трају напори да не дође до владе проруске оријентације у Београду.
Заиста, чему проруска држава нема проруског председника?
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Чекај ипак ја сам стариј и ја знам нешто о овим стварима. Зато неби било лоше да мене послушаш. Ипак млађи треба да од старијег учи! Читаве деценије трају напори да не дође до владе проруске оријентације у Београду. To ти је одговор на твоје питање..
Pa dobro burazeru tako reci ne moras odma da se podsmevas... Ja hocu da ucim ali necu da me neko sprda...
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Читаве деценије трају напори да не дође до владе проруске оријентације у Београду.
Заиста, чему проруска држава нема проруског председника?
Чак је и Хитлер изгубио времена, јер се превише задржао са Србима. Због тога Адолф Хитлер није могао на време да крене према истоку, Русији. То га је коштало.
Иста ствар се догодила у почетку 90-тих година на Балкану.
Од 1990 до 1999 НАТО снаге и ЕУ су водиле битке да се Балкан ствави под контролом Западних сила. Срби као најстариј државнотворни народ на Балкану су највеће жртве такве политике. Западу је требало више од 10 година да елиминише Српску Крајину и одвоји Црну Гору и КиМ од Србије.
Од 1990 до 1999 вођени су ратови на Балкану да би српски државнотворни фактор што више ослабио. У тој борби су Хрвати, Шиптари и Муслимани се ствавили на располагање Западних сила.
Ти мене питаш зашто нема проруског председника у Србији?
Па све шта се дешавало од 1990 до 1999 на терену је била борба да се у Србији инсталира антируска и проамеричка влада. Ево зато немамо проруског председника..
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Чекај ипак ја сам стариј и ја знам нешто о овим стварима. Зато неби било лоше да мене послушаш. Ипак млађи треба да од старијег учи! Читаве деценије трају напори да не дође до владе проруске оријентације у Београду. To ти је одговор на твоје питање..
Pa dobro burazeru tako reci ne moras odma da se podsmevas... Ja hocu da ucim ali necu da me neko sprda...
Чекај ја теви објашњавам неке ствари а ти кажеш да то није тако?
Ако то није тако, онда требаш ти то да потврдиш са чињеницама и аргументима. Мислим требаш увјек своје ставове да потврдиш са ноторним чињеницама. Јер иначе изгледа да мени идеш контра!!
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Чекај ипак ја сам стариј и ја знам нешто о овим стварима. Зато неби било лоше да мене послушаш. Ипак млађи треба да од старијег учи! Читаве деценије трају напори да не дође до владе проруске оријентације у Београду. To ти је одговор на твоје питање..
Pa dobro burazeru tako reci ne moras odma da se podsmevas... Ja hocu da ucim ali necu da me neko sprda...
Чекај ја теви објашњавам неке ствари а ти кажеш да то није тако?
Ако то није тако, онда требаш ти то да потврдиш са чињеницама и аргументима. Мислим требаш увјек своје ставове да потврдиш са ноторним чињеницама. Јер иначе изгледа да мени идеш контра!!
A jel mozes onda da mi objasnis sto im toliko treba Balkan? Ako je Balkan toliko bitna stavka sto se Rusi malo vise ne bore za nas nego gledaju sa strane i cekaju, meni to nekako nije logicno???
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ProudToBeSerb & Novak Djokovic molim vas pisite na engleskom tako da ostali ljudi mogu da razumiju.
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A jel mozes onda da mi objasnis sto im toliko treba Balkan? Ako je Balkan toliko bitna stavka sto se Rusi malo vise ne bore za nas nego gledaju sa strane i cekaju, meni to nekako nije logicno???
Па Балкан ти је специфично подручје. Балкан је кључни положај јер је то станица између запада и истока. Ко жели да иде према истоку мора прије да заузме Балкан. Ко жели ићи према западу мора исто прије прећи преко Балкана.
Крос наше простоје су све веле силе пролазиле. Напримјер Турска, Млетачка Република, Угарска, Аустриа и Аутро-Угарска. Данас НАТО-пакт осваја Балкан ради својих геостратешких циљева.
Ako je Balkan toliko bitna stavka sto se Rusi malo vise ne bore za nas nego gledaju sa strane i cekaju, meni to nekako nije logicno???
Чуј Руси су били искључени једно време. Руси су страшне ствари доживјели у 20 вјеку. Чак и за вријеме 90 година је са Русијом владао један издајнички режим. Русија је тек сада стала на своје ноге. Данас се Русија буди али нажалост Републике Србија то данас не зна искористити!
Што се Руси данас не боре за Србију?
Па Србија ти је данас прозападна, проевропска, антируска и антисрпска држава. Руси не могу бити већи Срби од Срба. Србија мора да се врати својим традиционалним пријатељима и природним савезницима. То су те нације које никад нису учествовале у геноциду над Србима.
Оваквој Србији ни Русија не може помоћи!
Срби су могли 1918. године бирати између уједињене краљевине Србије и краљевине Срба, Хрвата и Словенаца. 1941 су Срби могли бирати између краљевине Југославије и комунистичке Југославије.
А данас Срби могу бирати између истока и запада. Видисе да Срби не знају шта им је добро а шта им је зло и зато увјек трагично пролазе...
Ко им је ту крив?
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A jel mozes onda da mi objasnis sto im toliko treba Balkan? Ako je Balkan toliko bitna stavka sto se Rusi malo vise ne bore za nas nego gledaju sa strane i cekaju, meni to nekako nije logicno???
Па Балкан ти је специфично подручје. Балкан је кључни положај јер је то станица између запада и истока. Ко жели да иде према истоку мора прије да заузме Балкан. Ко жели ићи према западу мора исто прије прећи преко Балкана.
Крос наше простоје су све веле силе пролазиле. Напримјер Турска, Млетачка Република, Угарска, Аустриа и Аутро-Угарска. Данас НАТО-пакт осваја Балкан ради својих геостратешких циљева.
Ako je Balkan toliko bitna stavka sto se Rusi malo vise ne bore za nas nego gledaju sa strane i cekaju, meni to nekako nije logicno???
Чуј Руси су били искључени једно време. Руси су страшне ствари доживјели у 20 вјеку. Чак и за вријеме 90 година је са Русијом владао један издајнички режим. Русија је тек сада стала на своје ноге. Данас се Русија буди али нажалост Републике Србија то данас не зна искористити!
Што се Руси данас не боре за Србију?
Па Србија ти је данас прозападна, проевропска, антируска и антисрпска држава. Руси не могу бити већи Срби од Срба. Србија мора да се врати својим традиционалним пријатељима и природним савезницима. То су те нације које никад нису учествовале у геноциду над Србима.
Оваквој Србији ни Русија не може помоћи!
Срби су могли 1918. године бирати између уједињене краљевине Србије и краљевине Срба, Хрвата и Словенаца. 1941 су Срби могли бирати између краљевине Југославије и комунистичке Југославије.
А данас Срби могу бирати између истока и запада. Видисе да Срби не знају шта им је добро а шта им је зло и зато увјек трагично пролазе...
Ко им је ту крив?
Pa ne znam,onda cekamo Seselja da se vrati...
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Ти кажеш да студираш право? Које право студираш брате?
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Ти кажеш да студираш право? Које право студираш брате?
Care idem u srednju skolu jos uvek, zove se pravna skola, imam pravne predmete i stvarno ne znam kakve ovo sto pricamo ima veze sa pravom... Ti si se ogranicio da to sto su nam oduzeli Kosovo ima veze iskljucivo sa Rusijom i da je to radjeno iskljucivo zbog Rusije, a ne znas da su nam Kosovo oteli zbog minerala,ruda,izvora vode i ko zna cega jos, druga stvar amerika hoce da preko Kosova postavi gasovod, tako da sa moje tacke gledista je veoma glupo reci da oni to rade da bi opkolili Rusiju...Druga stvar, da Rusi to vide kao pretnju veruj mi da bi preduzeli neke vrlo radikalne mere povodom toga...
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ProudToBeSerb & Novak Djokovic molim vas pisite na engleskom tako da ostali ljudi mogu da razumiju.
Ok from now on... Sorry
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Ti si se ogranicio da to sto su nam oduzeli Kosovo ima veze iskljucivo sa Rusijom i da je to radjeno iskljucivo zbog Rusije, a ne znas da su nam Kosovo oteli zbog minerala,ruda,izvora vode i ko zna cega jos, druga stvar amerika hoce da preko Kosova postavi gasovod, tako da sa moje tacke gledista je veoma glupo reci da oni to rade da bi opkolili Rusiju
Јако си наиван дечко ако мислиш да није познато да КиМ има много природних ресорса. Немој неме учити него слушај пажљиво ако желиш нешто знати. Иначе слабо читаш поруке свог суговорника тако да не схваћаш шта говорим. Ја кажем да је Русија само један од многих разлога. Нисам рекао да је то једини разлог како ти то тврдиш. Шта се тиче природних ресорса, па наравно да то сада Американци користе.
Али ја сам говорио о Америчким геополитичким циљевима. Наравно да је контрола над Балканом један корак ка другим циљевима. Има људи који не разумију геополитику. То што ти не схваћаш да контрола над Балканом олакшава продор према истоку, значи да немаш појма о геополитици.
Ја говорим о стратешким и геополитичким интересима на КиМ. А то је да НАТО има мање проблеma са својим наступањима према истоку зато што контрлише Србију. То није екомонски интерес него геополитички!
Ти шта говориш о природним ресорсима је тачно! Али мали слушај, то није стратешки интерес него економски! Ти си још много зелен за овакве озбиљне теме.
Па ти си смијешан дечко! Шта је КиМ y односу на Русију? Колико минерала, руда и осталих ресорса има Сибир? Вараш се ако тврдиш да је само економски интерес у питању на КиМ! Поред економског интереса постоји још већи интерес, то је стратешки интерес!
Рудна богадства и минерале које има Сибир (Русија) то је више од остатка цијелог свијета. Ту има руда којих нема у другим државама и та богадства представљају будућност.
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ProudToBeSerb & Novak Djokovic molim vas pisite na engleskom tako da ostali ljudi mogu da razumiju.
Sorry I did not see your message! I will continue in English!
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Ти си још много зелен за овакве озбиљне теме.
Perhaps ProudToBeSerb is young but he is quite intelligent (I'm not arguing with you Novakovic, I am sure you think the same. I also respect the calm and dignity you are talking to him with, and your knowledge in geopolitics.)
"zelen" ("green") is an allegory for "too young", right? Like green underripe apple.
Russians also have an expression "molodo-zeleno" or "molodoj-zelenij" which means the same. Руси и Срби су браћа :)
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Ти си још много зелен за овакве озбиљне теме.
Perhaps ProudToBeSerb is young but he is quite intelligent (I'm not arguing with you Novakovic, I am sure you think the same. I also respect the calm and dignity you are talking to him with, and your knowledge in geopolitics.)
"zelen" ("green") is an allegory for "too young", right? Like green underripe apple.
Russians also have an expression "molodo-zeleno" or "molodoj-zelenij" which means the same. Руси и Срби су браћа :)
God bless you :dance:
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I just think that resourses on Kosovo are big reason for UN and USA to take it from us, without resourses money have no value... But I know that there are other interests...
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Ти си још много зелен за овакве озбиљне теме.
Perhaps ProudToBeSerb is young but he is quite intelligent (I'm not arguing with you Novakovic, I am sure you think the same. I also respect the calm and dignity you are talking to him with, and your knowledge in geopolitics.)
"zelen" ("green") is an allegory for "too young", right? Like green underripe apple.
Russians also have an expression "molodo-zeleno" or "molodoj-zelenij" which means the same. Руси и Срби су браћа :)
I agree with everything you said ;D
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There are more than one reason why Kosovo is important.
1. Because US bases in Germany and Italy are to be abandoned soon, US needs a new base. Interestingly enough, currently Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo is a LARGEST US military base outside of continental US. This same base is used to protect the oil/gas lines coming from central asia to europe/us.
2. Natural ores deposits in Kosovo are considered to be one of the biggest in europe.
3. Heroin trade, which is extremely profitable. Main route is Afghanistan-Iran/Turkey-Bulgaria-Macedonia/Serbia-Kosovo-Italy-rest of Europe. Wars cost money and money needs to come from somewhere. Hasn't anyone found it interesting that the heroin production in Afghanistan has quadrupled since 2001? You would expect less heroin, not more.
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There are more than one reason why Kosovo is important.
1. Because US bases in Germany and Italy are to be abandoned soon, US needs a new base. Interestingly enough, currently Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo is a LARGEST US military base outside of continental US. This same base is used to protect the oil/gas lines coming from central asia to europe/us.
2. Natural ores deposits in Kosovo are considered to be one of the biggest in europe.
3. Heroin trade, which is extremely profitable. Main route is Afghanistan-Iran/Turkey-Bulgaria-Macedonia/Serbia-Kosovo-Italy-rest of Europe. Wars cost money and money needs to come from somewhere. Hasn't anyone found it interesting that the heroin production in Afghanistan has quadrupled since 2001? You would expect less heroin, not more.
I agree with you but minerals are more important than money...