Which religion is superior? For me, Christianity represents the light and Islam represents the darkness. No wonder most of the Muslim world is so far behind that of the Christian West. When I mean that, I mean economiclly.
Which religion is superior? For me, Christianity represents the light and Islam represents the darkness. No wonder most of the Muslim world is so far behind that of the Christian West. When I mean that, I mean economiclly.
Far behing:
Economically, technologically, socially, hygienically!
It depends on whether you mean currently or historically.
It depends on whether you mean currently or historically.
This war we are engaged in is sinister by nature in the form of 1.5 billion muslims.
islam seeks to slaughter every Christian and Jew on Earth...
In history people who called themselves christians did cruel things like muslims do today if not worse than what the muslims do today.Thank you very much for the eloquent post, Dr. Dan. You are totally right.
However, christianity is capable of making gentiles be righteous and moral people if followed with the right heart.
Islam on the otherhand is a satanic religion which is the anti Jewish religion. Much like the chrisitians believe in a christ and antichrist. Islam never does good and it is a monotheistic religion which perverts righteousness and goodness and morality.
Christianity followed by the proper heart is not supposed to do that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Islam is the biggest threat right now, but the number of Jews who have died over the years due to Muslim persecution is nowhere near the number of Jews who have died due to Christian persecution.
Moshe I agree with you on this to s certain extent. When it comes to the persecution of our people by "Christians," we need to make a further differentiation between real Christians or Roman Catholics and Orthodox Church believers. Most if not all of the nations that have put us through the ringer have been dominated by the RC Church and the Orthodox, like the Russians. It should also be noted that upwards of 70 million real Christians (bible believing and practicing, what some call Born Again believers in Jesus), died at the hands of the Roman Catholic Church and if you study their belief system it really has little in common with true Christianity. Frankly, if I was being hunted down and a Catholic family offered to take me in and so did a Christian family; I would without a second thought go with the Christians. When the Gestapo would come to the Catholic's door they would hand me over right away; but the Christians would go to the camp alongside me. Happened many times in Nazi Europe.There are good Catholics and Orthodox (look at the Serbs), and there are evil Protestants (look at Martin Luther). I don't think you can neatly lump Christians by denomination.
Sorry for being so long winded; just something that I am passionate about. Good Christians often get lumped in with the evil that RC's do.
The difference Dr. Dan is that a real righteous Christian today or in the earliest days of Christianity is not promoting the evil things like the reform movement are.
They weren't saying it's ok to murder babies in the womb or to have homosexual relationships or to completely ignore G-d's rules for good behavior and make up all your own. Christians honor and respect what G-d put into the Jewish Bible.
This war we are engaged in is sinister by nature in the form of 1.5 billion muslims.
islam seeks to slaughter every Christian and Jew on Earth...
And every non-Muslim as well. Even non-practicing Muslims are also targets.
I am going to stand by my statement that when christian gentiles do the right things with their heart they are a moral people.They didn't change anything except they didn't follow Oral Law anymore. Also, they were losing members more through extermination than assimilation.
However there is one comment I want to make about the origins of christianity. I hope I don't offend any of the chrisitians on this forum who act on the above comment. And if I'm wrong in any instance, let me know.
Chrisitianity has gone through one heck of an evolutuion in 2000 or few years. Initially it was a bunch of Jews who felt Jesus was the messiah. They started changing Torah rules, much like the reform, conservative, reconstructed groups of today and lost members due to probably assimilation. So in order to not lose followers, those earliest christians began to accept all types of pagan converts by adding the pagan's traditions to this religion. It happened so much that the "Judaism" of the first christians changed into a whole other religion. Tell me if I'm incorrect.
Now if a righteous chrisitian is seeking truth and sees what I'm writing is basically true, he might assume, "why don't I practice this religion like what the first chrisitians intended it to be?". However those first christians were the very reform jews of today. And everyone on this forum realizes what the reform movement does.
On the other hand if a righteous gentile learns what I'm writing is true, Noahidism would be the appropriate theology for him.
What I wrote is very controversial and its not meant to put anyone down. To me a righteous christian gentile is as righteous as a righteous noahide. I only speak of theology and what makes logical sense to me.
And I'm sorry if I offended any chrisitians. You know I love each and every one of you. If I was wrong in anything I said, please correct me.
even Pastafarianism is better than Islam!Rastafarianism is not that far from black Islam (Nation of Islam). It isn't as warlike but it teaches that whitey is the enemy all the same.
even Pastafarianism is better than Islam!
even Pastafarianism is better than Islam!Rastafarianism is not that far from black Islam (Nation of Islam). It isn't as warlike but it teaches that whitey is the enemy all the same.
yes ;Deven Pastafarianism is better than Islam!
:::D
http://jcnot4me.com/images/Spaghetti_Monster.jpgeven Pastafarianism is better than Islam!Rastafarianism is not that far from black Islam (Nation of Islam). It isn't as warlike but it teaches that whitey is the enemy all the same.
True but I think he meant Pastafarianism.
No,
Lets invent a new word...
Mine is "Shastafarianism", for those Shasta fans...(http://www.rosebum.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=1371_1227586327.jpg)
Islam is the biggest threat right now, but the number of Jews who have died over the years due to Muslim persecution is nowhere near the number of Jews who have died due to Christian persecution.
Moshe I agree with you on this to s certain extent. When it comes to the persecution of our people by "Christians," we need to make a further differentiation between real Christians or Roman Catholics and Orthodox Church believers. Most if not all of the nations that have put us through the ringer have been dominated by the RC Church and the Orthodox, like the Russians. It should also be noted that upwards of 70 million real Christians (bible believing and practicing, what some call Born Again believers in Jesus), died at the hands of the Roman Catholic Church and if you study their belief system it really has little in common with true Christianity. Frankly, if I was being hunted down and a Catholic family offered to take me in and so did a Christian family; I would without a second thought go with the Christians. When the Gestapo would come to the Catholic's door they would hand me over right away; but the Christians would go to the camp alongside me. Happened many times in Nazi Europe.
Sorry for being so long winded; just something that I am passionate about. Good Christians often get lumped in with the evil that RC's do.
I am going to stand by my statement that when christian gentiles do the right things with their heart they are a moral people.
However there is one comment I want to make about the origins of christianity. I hope I don't offend any of the chrisitians on this forum who act on the above comment. And if I'm wrong in any instance, let me know.
Chrisitianity has gone through one heck of an evolutuion in 2000 or few years. Initially it was a bunch of Jews who felt Jesus was the messiah. They started changing Torah rules, much like the reform, conservative, reconstructed groups of today and lost members due to probably assimilation. So in order to not lose followers, those earliest christians began to accept all types of pagan converts by adding the pagan's traditions to this religion. It happened so much that the "Judaism" of the first christians changed into a whole other religion. Tell me if I'm incorrect.
Now if a righteous chrisitian is seeking truth and sees what I'm writing is basically true, he might assume, "why don't I practice this religion like what the first chrisitians intended it to be?". However those first christians were the very reform jews of today. And everyone on this forum realizes what the reform movement does.
On the other hand if a righteous gentile learns what I'm writing is true, Noahidism would be the appropriate theology for him.
What I wrote is very controversial and its not meant to put anyone down. To me a righteous christian gentile is as righteous as a righteous noahide. I only speak of theology and what makes logical sense to me.
And I'm sorry if I offended any chrisitians. You know I love each and every one of you. If I was wrong in anything I said, please correct me.
You are absolutely right, Dan....the church today is NOTHING like the early church, nothing at all.
Many are realizing this....it has gotten so off base in some areas, it has become a mockery.... :'(
You post taught me some things, it is always good to learn.I am going to stand by my statement that when christian gentiles do the right things with their heart they are a moral people.
However there is one comment I want to make about the origins of christianity. I hope I don't offend any of the chrisitians on this forum who act on the above comment. And if I'm wrong in any instance, let me know.
Chrisitianity has gone through one heck of an evolutuion in 2000 or few years. Initially it was a bunch of Jews who felt Jesus was the messiah. They started changing Torah rules, much like the reform, conservative, reconstructed groups of today and lost members due to probably assimilation. So in order to not lose followers, those earliest christians began to accept all types of pagan converts by adding the pagan's traditions to this religion. It happened so much that the "Judaism" of the first christians changed into a whole other religion. Tell me if I'm incorrect.
Now if a righteous chrisitian is seeking truth and sees what I'm writing is basically true, he might assume, "why don't I practice this religion like what the first chrisitians intended it to be?". However those first christians were the very reform jews of today. And everyone on this forum realizes what the reform movement does.
On the other hand if a righteous gentile learns what I'm writing is true, Noahidism would be the appropriate theology for him.
What I wrote is very controversial and its not meant to put anyone down. To me a righteous christian gentile is as righteous as a righteous noahide. I only speak of theology and what makes logical sense to me.
And I'm sorry if I offended any chrisitians. You know I love each and every one of you. If I was wrong in anything I said, please correct me.
FYI, we do have alot of really great Catholic members here....I am a non Catholic Christian, but have had many Catholic friends over the years and some who also came OUT of Catholocism....I've met some really nice Catholics over the years....let us not hold anyone on this forum accountable for any of that, ok?[/quote]
FYI, we do have alot of really great Catholic members here....I am a non Catholic Christian, but have had many Catholic friends over the years and some who also came OUT of Catholocism....I've met some really nice Catholics over the years....let us not hold anyone on this forum accountable for any of that, ok?
FYI, we do have alot of really great Catholic members here....I am a non Catholic Christian, but have had many Catholic friends over the years and some who also came OUT of Catholocism....I've met some really nice Catholics over the years....let us not hold anyone on this forum accountable for any of that, ok?
My whole purpose in responding to this thread was an appeal that people not lump Christians and Catholics together. There is no comparison just like the sun and the moon aren't the same; and the misdeeds of the RC Church in the past should not be called "Christian" misdeeds, just in the same way that the ills of the Mafia should not be ascribed to all Italian people. However, I am sure that what I have just said will be taken in a bad light, so this will be my last post in this particular thread.
In history people who called themselves christians did cruel things like muslims do today if not worse than what the muslims do today.
However, christianity is capable of making gentiles be righteous and moral people if followed with the right heart.
Islam on the otherhand is a satanic religion which is the anti Jewish religion. Much like the chrisitians believe in a christ and antichrist. Islam never does good and it is a monotheistic religion which perverts righteousness and goodness and morality.
Christianity followed by the proper heart is not supposed to do that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Why don't we burn all those pesky roman catholics at the stake?
is it true that Church membership in US is declining? or is this left wing propaganda?
True that Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Jew and his thoughts about Jews might have been in the minds of holocaust perpetrators, but he wasn't directly involved in the holocaust whereas Popes and other Roman Catholics not only endorsed but participated in the Inquisition and all of the purges in Europe, and the Orthodox sanctioned the Pogroms in Russia there was direct involvement.Yirma, how many devout Lutherans were in the Nazi army? How many followers of Martin Luther went out and killed Jews?
The choice of using the word denomination in regard to lumping Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox doesn't really work. Denomination is a word chosen long ago by Roman Catholicism to describe Protestants. To nominate is to endorse and to denominate is to unendorse. In essence Roman Catholicism used it as a slap in the face toward Protestants, basically telling them that in the eyes of Rome, Protestants were null and void. The Vatican recognized the Orthodox religion so neither the RC or Orthodox Church fits into the denomination mold.Honestly when you get right down to brass tacks most of the so called denominations are an offshoot of the RCC or the Eastern Orthodox churches. Many of the offshoot churches had their starts after the middle ages which really was after much of the worse abuse happened. During WW2 I don't think there was any so called Christian church that went far out of its way to do much for the Jewish people. The Pope sitting in the middle of an Axis country was not about to tangle with Hitler and risk having his church taken over by Nazi Germany. Italy was in no position as the war progressed to protect the Pope or Vatican City against Hitler. Christian churches here in America talk up a good storm but actual deeds fall far short of rhetoric.... It was not the RCC here in America giving Jewish people a hard time because in many parts of the country Roman Catholics were getting the same treatment. Only in the past 50 years they like the RCC have decided to turn over a new leaf. More to the point proselytizing is not a pastime of Roman Catholics where it is one in many Christian churches here in America. I myself really don't go in for big religion of any denomination and find many of the conceptions held by Christian people writing in threads like this quite amusing. Most point the finger of abuse towards Rome when in actuality there is plenty of blame to spread around for most of the Christian churches. Big churches = big abuse .... Smaller churches = smaller abuse. Its just that simple :::D
True that Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Jew and his thoughts about Jews might have been in the minds of holocaust perpetrators, but he wasn't directly involved in the holocaust whereas Popes and other Roman Catholics not only endorsed but participated in the Inquisition and all of the purges in Europe, and the Orthodox sanctioned the Pogroms in Russia there was direct involvement. From what I've studied, one cannot easily find cases (if they can find them at all) of Protestant churches sanctioning persecution. Of all of the true Christians that I have encountered (thousands) I've found them to be staunch Jewish and Israel supporters. Difference from the others? They read their Bibles and try to follow the words of their Messiah, Yeshua. Catholics and Orthodox fall short where that claim might be made in their regard. They follow church edicts and the commands of Popes and priests; the blind leading the blind so to speak.
Yirmayahu
Why don't we burn all those pesky roman catholics at the stake?
The pesky ones seem to mostly be the leadership like the last couple of popes, not the nice average Catholic man or woman. You know that I respect you and other wonderful Catholic people.
I've been keeping Sabbath since April of last year and pretty much stopped being Catholic fully since around June.
Why don't we burn all those pesky roman catholics at the stake?
The pesky ones seem to mostly be the leadership like the last couple of popes, not the nice average Catholic man or woman. You know that I respect you and other wonderful Catholic people.
I think you're right there. I liked John Paul II, I thought on the whole he was a good man and did a lot for europe and peace. He stood up against Nazism and Communism and provided a lot of hope for many people.
I've never been very impressed with any other popes though esp the present one.
I used to be a Catholic until very recently. I switched though because I found that I didn't believe a majority of teaching of the RCC. I just class myself as Christian now without a denomination though am probably closest to the Church of G-d, Int which is like a continuation of the very early church as set up by Jesus. I've been keeping Sabbath since April of last year and pretty much stopped being Catholic fully since around June. The only thing I haven't yet done is hand the official form in. I'm trying to just follow what the whole bible says now and keep all the commandments and feasts etc.
The main problem hasn't been the catholic people imho it's been the RCC/Church of Rome leadership for the last 1900 years.
Cheers,
John
is it true that Church membership in US is declining? or is this left wing propaganda?
is it true that Church membership in US is declining? or is this left wing propaganda?
I believe its mostly left wing atheist propaganda. They would very much like to class America as a secular country though. They already say my country Great Britain is secular but nothing could be further from the truth. I've even recently seen an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers from someone who believes that Israel of all places is a secular country! The majority of places that the atheists like to say are secular aren't secular either.
My country it is true that attendances at Church have dropped, however that certainly doesn't mean people no longer believe or that you're no longer practicing simply because you don't attend church regularly. Just over 70% of people in the UK still class themself as Christian. Jesus in the bible confirms to us to pray in private and not to go to Church just to be boastful and pray in public in front of everyone to look good (see Matthew 6). As followers we're all meant to be priests under our high priest. I do believe Church is important but it's meaning, significance and importance has been forgotten about. Not many people know and realise the true purpose of the Church.
Cheers,
John
The choice of using the word denomination in regard to lumping Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox doesn't really work. Denomination is a word chosen long ago by Roman Catholicism to describe Protestants. To nominate is to endorse and to denominate is to unendorse. In essence Roman Catholicism used it as a slap in the face toward Protestants, basically telling them that in the eyes of Rome, Protestants were null and void. The Vatican recognized the Orthodox religion so neither the RC or Orthodox Church fits into the denomination mold.
True that Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Jew and his thoughts about Jews might have been in the minds of holocaust perpetrators, but he wasn't directly involved in the holocaust whereas Popes and other Roman Catholics not only endorsed but participated in the Inquisition and all of the purges in Europe, and the Orthodox sanctioned the Pogroms in Russia there was direct involvement. From what I've studied, one cannot easily find cases (if they can find them at all) of Protestant churches sanctioning persecution. Of all of the true Christians that I have encountered (thousands) I've found them to be staunch Jewish and Israel supporters. Difference from the others? They read their Bibles and try to follow the words of their Messiah, Yeshua. Catholics and Orthodox fall short where that claim might be made in their regard. They follow church edicts and the commands of Popes and priests; the blind leading the blind so to speak.
Yirmayahu
I've been keeping Sabbath since April of last year and pretty much stopped being Catholic fully since around June.
Gentiles are not allowed to observe the Sabbath. That commandment is just for Jews.
Why don't we burn all those pesky roman catholics at the stake?
The pesky ones seem to mostly be the leadership like the last couple of popes, not the nice average Catholic man or woman. You know that I respect you and other wonderful Catholic people.
I think you're right there. I liked John Paul II, I thought on the whole he was a good man and did a lot for europe and peace. He stood up against Nazism and Communism and provided a lot of hope for many people.
I've never been very impressed with any other popes though esp the present one.
I used to be a Catholic until very recently. I switched though because I found that I didn't believe a majority of teaching of the RCC. I just class myself as Christian now without a denomination though am probably closest to the Church of G-d, Int which is like a continuation of the very early church as set up by Jesus. I've been keeping Sabbath since April of last year and pretty much stopped being Catholic fully since around June. The only thing I haven't yet done is hand the official form in. I'm trying to just follow what the whole bible says now and keep all the commandments and feasts etc.
The main problem hasn't been the catholic people imho it's been the RCC/Church of Rome leadership for the last 1900 years.
Cheers,
John
Why?
You are not Jewish. The Commandments were given to the Jews at Sinai as a special covenant, not as something which the Noachide nations need to follow. What you are doing is not Jewish, nor is it Christian, you have made up your own religion... I don't know who taught you this.
You should follow the seven noachide laws and you will be considered a righteous gentile and have a place in the world to come. According to Jewish law you are committing a grave sin and would be liable for death...
is it true that Church membership in US is declining? or is this left wing propaganda?
I believe its mostly left wing atheist propaganda. They would very much like to class America as a secular country though. They already say my country Great Britain is secular but nothing could be further from the truth. I've even recently seen an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers from someone who believes that Israel of all places is a secular country! The majority of places that the atheists like to say are secular aren't secular either.
My country it is true that attendances at Church have dropped, however that certainly doesn't mean people no longer believe or that you're no longer practicing simply because you don't attend church regularly. Just over 70% of people in the UK still class themself as Christian. Jesus in the bible confirms to us to pray in private and not to go to Church just to be boastful and pray in public in front of everyone to look good (see Matthew 6). As followers we're all meant to be priests under our high priest. I do believe Church is important but it's meaning, significance and importance has been forgotten about. Not many people know and realise the true purpose of the Church.
Cheers,
John
This is a Jewish forum and we frown on any missionising. There are ample resources for Christians to post about their religion. Although there are a good number of non-Jewish members of JTF our goal is to re-establish a Jewish holy land which will not accept the gods of others.
John, gentiles are not allowed to observe the sabbath according to the Talmud. In fact, it is punishable by the death penalty. The sabbath is a speical gift that G-d gave only to the Jews.Not that I disagree with you about Gentiles observing the Jewish Sabbath but who would carry out the death penalty? Some Christian churches observe the sabbath day on Saturday now so this might be what John is talking about and not the Jewish Sabbath per say.
http://www.traditiononline.org/news/article.cfm?id=104943 (http://www.traditiononline.org/news/article.cfm?id=104943)
John, gentiles are not allowed to observe the sabbath according to the Talmud. In fact, it is punishable by the death penalty. The sabbath is a speical gift that G-d gave only to the Jews.
http://www.traditiononline.org/news/article.cfm?id=104943 (http://www.traditiononline.org/news/article.cfm?id=104943)
Okay, who is the joker that voted for Islam?