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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yaacov Ben Yehuda on February 25, 2010, 01:03:27 AM
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Vote away...
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I say none of the above.
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One other category that can be added to the list to choose from is White Leftists who support the Fakeastians and in general work against Israel.
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In my opinion all antisemites are living on borrowed time. The righteous will rejoice when the wicked are destroyed.
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In my opinion all antisemites are living on borrowed time. The righteous will rejoice when the wicked are destroyed.
Yes.
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I voted for Islamists, but I'd like to switch my vote to the NK. If disgusting/despicable is the criterion... the NK are not ignorant to the truth about the Israel/Zion/the Holy Land/Torah/Islam/Zionism, but they choose to act ignorantly [Ameleks], and that is the one of the greatest evils possible. - This separates them from all the other groups which are various forms of uneducated, unscrupulous rubes in different bags of skin [not that these boorish evildoers should be allowed to suck down the rest of our oxygen any longer either].
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I voted for Islamists, but I'd like to switch my vote to the NK. If disgusting/despicable is the criterion... the NK are not ignorant to the truth about the Israel/Zion/the Holy Land/Torah/Islam/Zionism, but they choose to act ignorantly [Ameleks], and that is the one of the greatest evils possible. - This separates them from all the other groups which are various forms of uneducated, unscrupulous rubes in different bags of skin [not that these boorish evildoers should be allowed to suck down the rest of our oxygen any longer either].
Ariel, I understand what you are saying but NK is not ignorant of Judaism. Quite the opposite... I have looked into what they believe. I do not make excuses for them, and I have rebuked them as a Jew is supposed to rebuke a fellow Jew, but to claim that they are ignorant of Torah is to misunderstand the reality of the situation.
I don't intend to spread their misunderstanding of Torah mitzvot, and I don't intend to propagate any un-needed hatred against other Jews.... But they actually believe that Hashem has forbidden the Jews from entering the Holy Land until the day that the nations will allow us to re-occupy it.
Remember that mainstream Jewish belief is that we were expelled from the Holy Land by Hashem himself. The Romans were merely a means to an end, and Hashem used them to destroy our Temple and expel the Jewish people into the diaspora. The Talmud explains the reasons that we were expelled, and it is spelled out in Torah in the Tochacha {Rebukes} where it basically says that the Holy Land will Regurgitate the Jews from the land if they do not keep the Torah.
NK was in Israel long before the secular zionists tried to make a 'Jewish' state in the land called Palestine. The NK wanted to establish a religious state but the zionists instead created a secular state. We see the folly of a secular 'jewish' state in what is happening to Israel today.
There are many reasons that NK believe what they believe. I do not know personally anyone who associates with these kooks. I do know some people who associate with Satmar Chassids who are also anti-zionist but they do not do anything against fellow Jews and will not give aid to enemies. I believe that the NK miss the point of the Jewish nation. So much of the Torah tells us to occupy the land and the dream of zionism exist throughout our prayers and our ritual. It is of utmost importance for a Jew to stand up for another fellow Jew, no matter his level of observance, against the hostile nations. I read the commandment "Do not stand idle while your brother is bleeding" to mean that when we see a Jew being mistreated, physically or spiritually, we must as Jews rise to the occasion and speak up and act out. Remember one of Moses first acts in Exodus is to smite the Egyptian who was beating a Jew. Upon studying this story we learn that Moses killed the Egyptian who was beating Datans wife, and Datan was one of the worst Wiseguys in the entire nation of Jews {remember Datan and Aviram}. Moses also spoke up when he saw Datan hitting a fellow Jew, and Datan spoke out about how he saw Moses kill the Egyptian...
I learn from this story that we are supposed to stand up for a Jew no matter how far from Hashem they are. The NK has turned their backs on the poor righteous Jews in the Holy Land who are living in constant fear from missile attacks at the hands of the dirty arabs. The NK has taken the side of the enemy and assisted in the killing of Jews in a way, and they will be judged for their sins.
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The NK has taken the side of the enemy and assisted in the killing of Jews in a way, and they will be judged for their sins.
I'm no Torah scholar, but I'm pretty sure there's something in there about stoning people like these.
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I voted for Islamists, but I'd like to switch my vote to the NK. If disgusting/despicable is the criterion... the NK are not ignorant to the truth about the Israel/Zion/the Holy Land/Torah/Islam/Zionism, but they choose to act ignorantly [Ameleks], and that is the one of the greatest evils possible. - This separates them from all the other groups which are various forms of uneducated, unscrupulous rubes in different bags of skin [not that these boorish evildoers should be allowed to suck down the rest of our oxygen any longer either].
Ariel, I understand what you are saying but NK is not ignorant of Judaism. Quite the opposite... I have looked into what they believe. I do not make excuses for them, and I have rebuked them as a Jew is supposed to rebuke a fellow Jew, but to claim that they are ignorant of Torah is to misunderstand the reality of the situation.
I don't mean to say the NK are ignorant of Torah, I mean to say they ACT ignorantly of Torah. I mean to say the NK is the only group who is well educated in Torah, but choose to not live lives of Righteous Jews. They kiss Ahmadinejad on the lips while Iran chants death to Israel, there is nothing to support this in Torah, quite the opposite.
I don't intend to spread their misunderstanding of Torah mitzvot, and I don't intend to propagate any un-needed hatred against other Jews.... But they actually believe that Hashem has forbidden the Jews from entering the Holy Land until the day that the nations will allow us to re-occupy it.
Remember that mainstream Jewish belief is that we were expelled from the Holy Land by Hashem himself. The Romans were merely a means to an end, and Hashem used them to destroy our Temple and expel the Jewish people into the diaspora. The Talmud explains the reasons that we were expelled, and it is spelled out in Torah in the Tochacha {Rebukes} where it basically says that the Holy Land will Regurgitate the Jews from the land if they do not keep the Torah.
NK was in Israel long before the secular zionists tried to make a 'Jewish' state in the land called Palestine. The NK wanted to establish a religious state but the zionists instead created a secular state. We see the folly of a secular 'jewish' state in what is happening to Israel today.
There are many reasons that NK believe what they believe. I do not know personally anyone who associates with these kooks. I do know some people who associate with Satmar Chassids who are also anti-zionist but they do not do anything against fellow Jews and will not give aid to enemies. I believe that the NK miss the point of the Jewish nation. So much of the Torah tells us to occupy the land and the dream of zionism exist throughout our prayers and our ritual. It is of utmost importance for a Jew to stand up for another fellow Jew, no matter his level of observance, against the hostile nations. I read the commandment "Do not stand idle while your brother is bleeding" to mean that when we see a Jew being mistreated, physically or spiritually, we must as Jews rise to the occasion and speak up and act out. Remember one of Moses first acts in Exodus is to smite the Egyptian who was beating a Jew. Upon studying this story we learn that Moses killed the Egyptian who was beating Datans wife, and Datan was one of the worst Wiseguys in the entire nation of Jews {remember Datan and Aviram}. Moses also spoke up when he saw Datan hitting a fellow Jew, and Datan spoke out about how he saw Moses kill the Egyptian...
I learn from this story that we are supposed to stand up for a Jew no matter how far from Hashem they are. The NK has turned their backs on the poor righteous Jews in the Holy Land who are living in constant fear from missile attacks at the hands of the dirty arabs. The NK has taken the side of the enemy and assisted in the killing of Jews in a way, and they will be judged for their sins.
I think we are pretty much in agreement. I think I said that only NK knows better, as they are "real" Jews, they have had Torah education, speak/read Hebrew, and have no reasonable claim to ignorance [perhaps they are simply criminally insane?]. Nazis/KKK/Blacks etc. do not have Torah education of any type, generally speaking, and I imagine many of them are simply ignorant people with sick brains [because we all know JEWS ROCK!!!].
Basically, NK has read Torah a number of times, ignores a great deal of it, and they still attempt to maintain a Jewish veneer. Evil Reform Jews in black suits?
Great info on Moses and Datan/Datan's wife, I had not heard this before. :dance:
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I voted for Islamists, but I'd like to switch my vote to the NK. If disgusting/despicable is the criterion... the NK are not ignorant to the truth about the Israel/Zion/the Holy Land/Torah/Islam/Zionism, but they choose to act ignorantly [Ameleks], and that is the one of the greatest evils possible. - This separates them from all the other groups which are various forms of uneducated, unscrupulous rubes in different bags of skin [not that these boorish evildoers should be allowed to suck down the rest of our oxygen any longer either].
Ariel, I understand what you are saying but NK is not ignorant of Judaism. Quite the opposite... I have looked into what they believe. I do not make excuses for them, and I have rebuked them as a Jew is supposed to rebuke a fellow Jew, but to claim that they are ignorant of Torah is to misunderstand the reality of the situation.
I don't intend to spread their misunderstanding of Torah mitzvot, and I don't intend to propagate any un-needed hatred against other Jews.... But they actually believe that Hashem has forbidden the Jews from entering the Holy Land until the day that the nations will allow us to re-occupy it.
Remember that mainstream Jewish belief is that we were expelled from the Holy Land by Hashem himself. The Romans were merely a means to an end, and Hashem used them to destroy our Temple and expel the Jewish people into the diaspora. The Talmud explains the reasons that we were expelled, and it is spelled out in Torah in the Tochacha {Rebukes} where it basically says that the Holy Land will Regurgitate the Jews from the land if they do not keep the Torah.
NK was in Israel long before the secular zionists tried to make a 'Jewish' state in the land called Palestine. The NK wanted to establish a religious state but the zionists instead created a secular state. We see the folly of a secular 'jewish' state in what is happening to Israel today.
There are many reasons that NK believe what they believe. I do not know personally anyone who associates with these kooks. I do know some people who associate with Satmar Chassids who are also anti-zionist but they do not do anything against fellow Jews and will not give aid to enemies. I believe that the NK miss the point of the Jewish nation. So much of the Torah tells us to occupy the land and the dream of zionism exist throughout our prayers and our ritual. It is of utmost importance for a Jew to stand up for another fellow Jew, no matter his level of observance, against the hostile nations. I read the commandment "Do not stand idle while your brother is bleeding" to mean that when we see a Jew being mistreated, physically or spiritually, we must as Jews rise to the occasion and speak up and act out. Remember one of Moses first acts in Exodus is to smite the Egyptian who was beating a Jew. Upon studying this story we learn that Moses killed the Egyptian who was beating Datans wife, and Datan was one of the worst Wiseguys in the entire nation of Jews {remember Datan and Aviram}. Moses also spoke up when he saw Datan hitting a fellow Jew, and Datan spoke out about how he saw Moses kill the Egyptian...
I learn from this story that we are supposed to stand up for a Jew no matter how far from Hashem they are. The NK has turned their backs on the poor righteous Jews in the Holy Land who are living in constant fear from missile attacks at the hands of the dirty arabs. The NK has taken the side of the enemy and assisted in the killing of Jews in a way, and they will be judged for their sins.
I italicized the word "act" because they know better, and yet choose to not act accordingly. Much like Amelek knew he would be defeated by G-d, he still acted otherwise.
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"Jews" who are anti-semites.
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I chose Pisslam because they are worse than barbarians the way they treat other human beings and even their own kind. >:( AND..... they want to take over the WHOLE WORLD!
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I voted NK because it takes a special kind of suckage to betray your own kind.
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The Pisslamics are the worst of all the bunch.
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Of the above listed, probably NK.
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There's also Nation of Aztlan,Black Panthers,Brown Beret, American Indiana Movement and the Mexica Movement.
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Also, don't forget about secular Jewish anti-semites such as Yossi Sarid, Shulamit Aloni, or Uri Avnery.
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I voted for NK - the most vile group of pigs. I'd like to see "Peace Now" there as well - they are a strong second contender.
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I chose Pisslam because they are worse than barbarians the way they treat other human beings and even their own kind. >:( AND..... they want to take over the WHOLE WORLD!
Dawn, I agree with you. The muslims are by far the absolute worse!
Strapping bombs on their children, honor killings, slavery, and oppression are just a few of islam's contributions to the World.
I do not know of any other culture that commits these autrocities.
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I wish all of them would die right now
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Vote away...
You left out self hating Jews. They certainly should be considered.
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How can any antisemitic group be more despicable than any other? To me they are all the same, including those not listed in the menu. If there is Amalek in this world it must be eradicated. I hear the lesson of Purim and the message of Zachor {which Hashem willing, I will hear this Shabbat}. We must blot out the memory of Amalek from the world. There is nowhere the Amalek, inside of ourselves and inside our enemies, which Hashem cannot see.
Antisemitism is the lifeblood of Amalek. In every generation the Amaleks of the world have tried to kill the Jews physically and spiritually. Every imaginable lie has been concocted against my people, and in every generation Hashem has shielded a remnant of the children of Israel. Although many of us have been sacrificed on the altar of politics by the religions of hatred we still live and breathe and there is hope.
The scourge of antisemitism will end some day. May it be soon, Hashem willing...
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How can any antisemitic group be more despicable than any other? To me they are all the same, including those not listed in the menu. If there is Amalek in this world it must be eradicated. I hear the lesson of Purim and the message of Zachor {which Hashem willing, I will hear this Shabbat}. We must blot out the memory of Amalek from the world. There is nowhere the Amalek, inside of ourselves and inside our enemies, which Hashem cannot see.
Antisemitism is the lifeblood of Amalek. In every generation the Amaleks of the world have tried to kill the Jews physically and spiritually. Every imaginable lie has been concocted against my people, and in every generation Hashem has shielded a remnant of the children of Israel. Although many of us have been sacrificed on the altar of politics by the religions of hatred we still live and breathe and there is hope.
The scourge of antisemitism will end some day. May it be soon, Hashem willing...
I couldn't have said it better myself Muman.
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Where is the Nation of Islam?
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How can any antisemitic group be more despicable than any other? To me they are all the same, including those not listed in the menu. If there is Amalek in this world it must be eradicated. I hear the lesson of Purim and the message of Zachor {which Hashem willing, I will hear this Shabbat}. We must blot out the memory of Amalek from the world. There is nowhere the Amalek, inside of ourselves and inside our enemies, which Hashem cannot see.
Antisemitism is the lifeblood of Amalek. In every generation the Amaleks of the world have tried to kill the Jews physically and spiritually. Every imaginable lie has been concocted against my people, and in every generation Hashem has shielded a remnant of the children of Israel. Although many of us have been sacrificed on the altar of politics by the religions of hatred we still live and breathe and there is hope.
The scourge of antisemitism will end some day. May it be soon, Hashem willing...
I couldn't have said it better myself Muman.
I second that...Amen!
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One type of anti-Semitism is obviously not better or worse than another kind of anti-Semitism, but the point could be made that some might be more dangerous than others.
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One type of anti-Semitism is obviously not better or worse than another kind of anti-Semitism, but the point could be made that some might be more dangerous than others.
Good point Rubystars!
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Sadly, we Jews are the worst "anti-Semites".
Were the Muslims, Nazis and other Jew-hater groups to simply "go away" and forget about us Jews, we would do more damage to ourselves in far less time than the "official anti-Semites" could ever dream of doing to us.
I am convinced that without the constant threat of genocide we Jews would have committed mass suicide a long time ago; if not on a physical level, at least on a spiritual one.
This is a terribly inconvenient truth, and and it has been so long before we entered Canaan.
Jew-hatred has served to preserve the Jewish people, for only when threatened with annihilation do we ever unite and cooperate.
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Sadly, we Jews are the worst "anti-Semites".
Were the Muslims, Nazis and other Jew-hater groups to simply "go away" and forget about us Jews, we would do more damage to ourselves in far less time than the "official anti-Semites" could ever dream of doing to us.
I am convinced that without the constant threat of genocide we Jews would have committed mass suicide a long time ago; if not on a physical level, at least on a spiritual one.
This is a terribly inconvenient truth, and and it has been so long before we entered Canaan.
Jew-hatred has served to preserve the Jewish people, for only when threatened with annihilation do we ever unite and cooperate.
I do not share your pessimistic attitude. While there are certainly problems... The Jewish people have survived throughout history despite the self-haters, and I am confident that we will survive them today.
I do not believe that Jews can be evil. They can be very seriously misguided, to the point of being cast out... But I have hope for every living Jew.
What kind of Jew casts such a negative light on his fellow Jews? Obviously not one with much faith.