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Title: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 11, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
I'm trying to do some research on how to survive nuclear fallout. I live close to a major city. I'm not sure if the shock waves from a nuclear blast would reach out as far as I live or not (does anyone know how far they go?), but I would probably have to worry about fallout if downtown Houston got hit.

I heard the best thing is if you have a basement and a bomb shelter type thing inside the basement. However in Houston you can't have a basement. The ground is too moist.

So is there any information on how to build an effective shelter from radioactive dust/radioactivity above ground? I know you have to get a decent amount of layering between you and the radiation but I have no idea how to begin.

I think the nuclear threat is becoming more dire as time goes on.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Debbie Shafer on April 11, 2010, 06:14:27 PM
There has been alot more discussions going on since Obama decided to disarm more of our Nukes.  This guy is neither a diplomat or a strategist, because he won't convince any one else to disarm by disarming us.   God is our protector and Israel's.  It is wise to prepare in case of some event though.  I would bet on a Dirty Bomb first.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 11, 2010, 06:30:32 PM
Yes Debbie Obama is putting everyone in America in very serious trouble by his actions. I don't know much about how to protect ourselves from this mess but I think every good person who lives in America should learn as much as they can about how to do it. When the bomb drops (literally), we will have to look out for ourselves.

I know some people on this forum might be a lot more educated than I am about survivalism so I am asking because this is the first time I've actually felt afraid it might really happen.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: IsraelForever on April 11, 2010, 10:18:21 PM
What almost everyone will need to be concerned with is the fallout -- or radiation -- for the atomic blast.  It is recommended that you take potassium iodide (or "KI") to protect your thyroid from damage from radioactive iodine.

Read about it here:

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/ki.asp

Because of our horrendous leadership, I believe that nuclear bombs will go off in major U.S. cities.  I believe that it's not a matter of "if" but "when".  I'm not a "doomsdayist" either.  I'm a rational thinker.  If you'll fly jumbo jets into the Twin Towers then you'll have no problem setting off a nuclear bomb in, say, New York City or Washington, D.C.  It's just a matter of time.  We won't even stop a madman in Iran now.  If not now, when?
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on April 11, 2010, 10:22:48 PM
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm (http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm)
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: briann on April 11, 2010, 10:27:25 PM
We have actually discussed this, and the best way to protect yourself from this nightmare, is unfortunately, to move away from major cities and from major military installations. 

I know this is a big step, but we all a need to at least consider it; even if it means a pay-cut, or being further away from friends or family.

Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: IsraelForever on April 11, 2010, 11:04:06 PM
I don't think it falls within normal human nature to move away from friends in family.  I think it's more like human nature to say, "It won't happen here."  Many Jews in Europe did see the writing on the wall and moved.  But most didn't.  Even I won't move out of New York City, even considering what I said and believe about the reality of NYC getting nuked.  And sad to say, I probably wouldn't have moved out of Germany either.  It's just not in my nature to move out.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 12, 2010, 05:07:36 AM
(http://www.ki4u.com/guide1.jpg)

From this diagram I suppose you could build a shielded room in the center house to keep out the radiation. But waiting out the fallout could take weeks, so we're also talking about stocking that room with food, water, sanitation, etc. People will call you paranoid, it's not paranoid to be prepared, so best to ignore them, they're projecting their insecurities instead of giving a useful opinion.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 11:12:46 AM
New  Yorker I saw that picture and I imagined how the only protection I currently have falls into "slight", which probably would have me end up with radiation sickness at the very least, and considering my closeness to the city, probably worse than that.

The thing is the better levels of protection in that picture show being under the ground level, which is almost impossible in Houston. We don't have cellars or basements here.

I would like to find out how to build a shelter that makes up for that problem. If I know how then I can start saving for the materials.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: HiWarp on April 12, 2010, 11:17:39 AM
New  Yorker I saw that picture and I imagined how the only protection I currently have falls into "slight", which probably would have me end up with radiation sickness at the very least, and considering my closeness to the city, probably worse than that.

The thing is the better levels of protection in that picture show being under the ground level, which is almost impossible in Houston. We don't have cellars or basements here.

I would like to find out how to build a shelter that makes up for that problem. If I know how then I can start saving for the materials.

http://www.captaindaves.com/nuclear/HS2.pdf (http://www.captaindaves.com/nuclear/HS2.pdf)
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 12, 2010, 11:23:53 AM
New  Yorker I saw that picture and I imagined how the only protection I currently have falls into "slight", which probably would have me end up with radiation sickness at the very least,


Ah, don't feel bad, I live in New York City, I'll probably get vaporized. At least you get a month or two of eating MRE's and playing video games as your extremities start to fall off.  :laugh:

That diagram just shows how your untouched house would work, you can make a section shielded, double up the walls or something.

Yeesh, I am in New York City, target #1 on the baddy's list.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
HiWarp thank you! That's exactly what I need!

I saved the pdf to my computer in case for some reason the Web site gets taken down. I'm going to read through it and see what I can do about getting something like that built.

Whatever it is needs to be big enough for my family and pets so it may be prety expensive. I'm going to have to find out more about it by reading the pdf.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 12, 2010, 11:33:30 AM
Here, cute little google maps app, you can try out nukes on your home city and see how far out the blast radius is.


http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200712B/GroundZero.html
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
New Yorker, you could be a life saver, literally! :) I'm going to try that out right now

Well apparently if Downtown Houston gets hit with the equivalent of "Tsar Bomba" I'm toast.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: HiWarp on April 12, 2010, 12:16:24 PM
New Yorker, you could be a life saver, literally! :) I'm going to try that out right now

Well apparently if Downtown Houston gets hit with the equivalent of "Tsar Bomba" I'm toast.

I wouldn't worry too much about islamic terrorists setting off an airborne 50 mt nuke.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 12, 2010, 12:20:06 PM
New Yorker, you could be a life saver, literally! :) I'm going to try that out right now

Well apparently if Downtown Houston gets hit with the equivalent of "Tsar Bomba" I'm toast.

I wouldn't worry too much about islamic terrorists setting off an airborne 50 mt nuke.

Have you tried the asteroid?  :::D
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
Yeah the asteroid one is a little bit misleading though because not every asteroid is dino-killing size. It was funny though.  :::D
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 12:24:43 PM
New Yorker, you could be a life saver, literally! :) I'm going to try that out right now

Well apparently if Downtown Houston gets hit with the equivalent of "Tsar Bomba" I'm toast.

I wouldn't worry too much about islamic terrorists setting off an airborne 50 mt nuke.


I imagine if they do set one off then it will be a smaller one. My dad said they might target the ship channel or Pasadena rather than Downtown Houston, which would move the ground zero even further away.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: HiWarp on April 12, 2010, 12:28:51 PM
New Yorker, you could be a life saver, literally! :) I'm going to try that out right now

Well apparently if Downtown Houston gets hit with the equivalent of "Tsar Bomba" I'm toast.

I wouldn't worry too much about islamic terrorists setting off an airborne 50 mt nuke.

Have you tried the asteroid?  :::D

Yes I did. The thing with an asteroid is, though, it's not particular about it's target. You could be just as safe in New York as you would in Antarctica.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on April 12, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
Re:  "People will call you paranoid..."

If they do, then they have been made aware of your preparations.

And, if they know of your preparations, then your efforts are in vain, for those who laugh at you now will in time of disaster appear armed outside of your residence/shelter, demanding that you admit them and share your supplies with them.

So either "keep your plans to yourself", or be prepared to use your survival weapons to eliminate any and all wanting to avail themselves of your "food and shelter".

There is more to nuclear disaster planning than simply putting concrete over your head and having two weeks of food and water in reserve -- think about such things as human waste elimination and storage for two weeks (or more) in a small underground area, the danger of disease or sepsis from even small scratches or cuts, as well as how to survive after emerging from your shelter into an area with no electricity, no water, food, or fuel, and populated by roaming gangs and individuals who are sick, hungry, armed, and willing to kill for one matchstick.

Each and every "warning flag" has long been waving:  "A prolonged period of international tension / domestic unrest and instability / 'saber rattling' between nations / etc. "

Those now unprepared to survive what's coming are running way behind in their planning.  There will be very little time available to enter your fully prepared place of shelter once "an incident" takes place, so download the survival plans link I earlier posted for readers.

I would also strongly recommend researching "electro-magnetic pulse weapon [EMP]" and "surviving chemical or biological weapons", because our enemies are way more sophisticated in their planning than most of us are willing to admit.

Regardless of all else, the first rule of advice would be to leave the city and take up a new place of residence in a less populated rural area.

In my opinion, all of these steps are "easier said than done" -- all the more so as the collapsing economy increasingly limits our freedoms to travel and make purchases.

In my humble opinion, I still recommend immediate aliyah as our best option, for I believe that those who "stay and fight" will find that they can only fight to stay alive from day to day against almost impossible odds.  Another thing to consider is that those of the "David Duke camp" will have the greatest odds of surviving such a disaster -- most of them live in less populated areas, they have long been preparing and storing supplies as well as weaponry, have "country boy" survival skills, and are more likely than others to emerge alive, well armed, and well organized.



Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: syyuge on April 12, 2010, 02:50:40 PM
To safeguard against any such eventualities, actually Tunguska-1000 should be liberally and profusely applied on all muslamic cities. 

At least for another 1000 years nobody is going to understand as to who did it and how and why. 
 ;D :laugh: :::D
 
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: ~Hanna~ on April 12, 2010, 03:27:13 PM
I think there are iodine tablets that you can get, to put in the water, too.

Here is a link to a site that has more info:

Please be aware this website is Messianic, but Im not trying to proseletyze at all, he has good information about survival.

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/specialinterest.asp (http://www.thegoldenreport.com/specialinterest.asp)
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 06:49:20 PM
Yes I would definitely want any shelter like that to be kept a total secret. The good thing about the shelter that was linked in the PDF is that it doubles as a tool shed, so it's easy to have an excuse for it being there that won't raise eyebrows.

Massuh raised some good points. What is a sanitary, realistic way of disposing of solid and liquid human waste that won't cause illness to those inside or outside the shelter? I'd like to learn what the standard advice for what this is. I have no survival training at all and that's why I'm so ignorant about this.

How do you keep vermin like roaches, rats, and mice away from your food and water? Large American cockroaches aka palmetto bugs are extremely common in Houston. They're 1 1/2 inches long and you can see them crawling all over the sidewalks and on manhole covers even in relatively nice, upscale neighborhoods. The only thing that keeps them at bay in homes is keeping things meticulously clean and setting out baits or other poisons. What's the best way to keep vermin out of a shelter in an emergency?

Massuh you also brought up the topic of human vermin and even otherwise good people who become murderous and dangerous out of desperation. Does anyone have a good idea about how to make the shelter as secure as possible from being broken into?
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 12, 2010, 06:50:15 PM
I think there are iodine tablets that you can get, to put in the water, too.

Here is a link to a site that has more info:

Please be aware this website is Messianic, but Im not trying to proseletyze at all, he has good information about survival.

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/specialinterest.asp (http://www.thegoldenreport.com/specialinterest.asp)

Thanks I'll take a look. I was thinking about ordering a brand called Thyrosafe but I'm not sure which brand to purchase yet.

Hannah don't take their advice on colloidal silver. Colloidal silver is dangerous.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on April 12, 2010, 08:48:57 PM
As regards the usage of iodine tablets:

A very good idea for everyone to have some on hand, but they must be used properly.

However -- Iodine can prevent radioactivity from damaging only your thyroid gland in the event of a leak from a nuclear plant, or if the wind carries radioactive dust from a dirty bomb into your area.

It does not protect the rest of your body from the effects of radioactivity.

Therefore one must have in their constant possession pocket meters for measuring the level of radioactivity exposure.  These can be made at home using store bought parts, or purchased online.

Here is another website which might prove valuable to those wishing to know more.

http://www.survivetheapocalypse.net/ (http://www.survivetheapocalypse.net/)

Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: ~Hanna~ on April 12, 2010, 09:02:59 PM
They called Noah crazy, remember that.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Massuh thanks for all the good advice and information!

Hannah, I was thinking about Noah too, and how people were desperate to get into the ark, but it was too late.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: syyuge on April 13, 2010, 03:19:55 AM
So a huge submarine with thick outer cladding of Lead can be one of the answers, as it may neither be effected by thermal shock, pressure wave, radiation nor by global sea rising if any and may also be safer from the ensuing tsunamis in case.   
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 08:58:51 AM
So a huge submarine with thick outer cladding of Lead can be one of the answers, as it may neither be effected by thermal shock, pressure wave, radiation nor by global sea rising if any and may also be safer from the ensuing tsunamis in case.   

Good idea now how would I ever afford a huge submarine?  ;D
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: syyuge on April 13, 2010, 09:32:52 AM
So a huge submarine with thick outer cladding of Lead can be one of the answers, as it may neither be effected by thermal shock, pressure wave, radiation nor by global sea rising if any and may also be safer from the ensuing tsunamis in case.   

Good idea now how would I ever afford a huge submarine?  ;D

In case I am not theologically wrong, that is the difference between we people and Noah.  ;D
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 13, 2010, 09:56:28 AM

... What is a sanitary, realistic way of disposing of solid and liquid human waste that won't cause illness to those inside or outside the shelter? I'd like to learn what the standard advice for what this is. I have no survival training at all and that's why I'm so ignorant about this...


Thats easy, there's products which address that issue. http://www.thereadystore.com/emergency-preparedness-basics/emergency-need/sanitation-and-hygiene/deluxe-all-in-one-survival-kit-2-person (http://www.thereadystore.com/emergency-preparedness-basics/emergency-need/sanitation-and-hygiene/deluxe-all-in-one-survival-kit-2-person)
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: syyuge on April 13, 2010, 10:17:53 AM
In some cases the fear of nuclear war may be more damaging than the nuclear war itself. Fears shall be kept minimum and limited only to the respective religious guidelines. 
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 10:25:34 AM
Thanks New Yorker. I'll save that link
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 13, 2010, 10:41:15 AM
In some cases the fear of nuclear war may be more damaging than the nuclear war itself. Fears shall be kept minimum and limited only to the respective religious guidelines. 

Nobody is sitting all day wringing their hands worrying about it, we're just getting prepared. Like the saying goes, hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.

A nuke going off isn't my number one concern, the disintegration of society into lawlessness after economic collapse is what concerns me; As I see the writing on the wall for this with no action being done to avert it. I want to be out of this city if it happens because it will be hell on earth here, can you imagine all those useless immoral people with no electricity and empty grocery stores? Instead of pulling together with their neighbors, I expect they'll feed on each other like animals. 
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 13, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
Thanks New Yorker. I'll save that link

Bookmark this one, they're better, better deals. http://beprepared.com/ (http://beprepared.com/)

And since we were on the subject before, here's the section that deals with poo sanitation. http://beprepared.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_420_A_c2c_E_ln_A_name_E_Sanitation&Hygiene (http://beprepared.com/category.asp_Q_c_E_420_A_c2c_E_ln_A_name_E_Sanitation&Hygiene)  ^-^
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 11:11:29 AM
Thanks New Yorker that site does have better prices. Even if I don't buy anything right now, I can start putting money aside for just that purpose, and deciding how to put my emergency kit together. I worry a lot sometimes about the food supply becoming contaminated so having some MREs on hand in a situation like that would be good.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: New Yorker on April 13, 2010, 11:33:07 AM
Thanks New Yorker that site does have better prices. Even if I don't buy anything right now, I can start putting money aside for just that purpose, and deciding how to put my emergency kit together. I worry a lot sometimes about the food supply becoming contaminated so having some MREs on hand in a situation like that would be good.

Actually I'm going to invest in bulk foods, very economical, a lot of bang for the buck with a very long shelf life. They sell what they call Superpails, 6 gallon 50 lb pails, of rice, beans, lentils, powdered milk, oats etc, etc. http://beprepared.com/category.asp?c=79&start=0&image.x=23&image.y=10 (http://beprepared.com/category.asp?c=79&start=0&image.x=23&image.y=10)

The food will last you a lot longer than MRE's, the quantity is huge for the same money. And if we get past 2012 the next election with the country and society intact, and make a recovery to normalcy, well then, you have rice n' beans n' milk to use. lol.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: ~Hanna~ on April 13, 2010, 11:52:47 AM
so very true, they mocked and scorned him, until they realized he was right all along, then it was too late.

Massuh thanks for all the good advice and information!

Hannah, I was thinking about Noah too, and how people were desperate to get into the ark, but it was too late.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: ~Hanna~ on April 13, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
Regarding bathroom sanitation...a good thing to set up is a paint bucket (one of those five gallon white ones you can get at a Home Depot or Ace Hardware....add sawdust to it and a toilet seat.

Walah....

Instant porta potty.

Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 12:35:48 PM
I don't know how seriously to take him, but he was right on a lot of things. There's a Christian guy named Jack van Impe who has been talking about prophecy from a Christian perspective for years and I used to watch him a lot years ago and saw his projections come true about the EU, etc. One of the things he said many years ago was that the end might come in 2012-2015. Granted, that was a safe prediction for him to make considering he was making it several years in advance, but as the year draws closer, I am definitely wary.

I'd be curious what the Jewish perspective is about Bible prophecies that could possibly come true soon.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on April 13, 2010, 09:43:54 PM
Rubystars:  "I'd be curious what the Jewish perspective is about Bible prophecies that could possibly come true soon."

Rubystars, when Jesus's disciples asked him to tell them of what to expect for the End Times, his answer was a verbatim reiteration of the prophecies of the Jewish Prophets of the "Tanach".

In other words, the Christians whole concept of End Times is borrowed hook, line, and sinker from the Jews. 
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 10:50:57 PM
Thank you Massuh. A lot has happened in 2000 years though and I thought there might have been some rabbinical commentaries or other things that would lend a different Jewish perspective on the matters though.

Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: muman613 on April 13, 2010, 11:04:12 PM
Rubystars:  "I'd be curious what the Jewish perspective is about Bible prophecies that could possibly come true soon."

Rubystars, when Jesus's disciples asked him to tell them of what to expect for the End Times, his answer was a verbatim reiteration of the prophecies of the Jewish Prophets of the "Tanach ".

In other words, the Christians whole concept of End Times is borrowed hook, line, and sinker from the Jews. 

Actually their belief is a little different. The Jewish version of Armegedon is called Gog And MaGog and involves a great war. All the nations will rise against Israel and many Jews will question their belief. It will seem like the odds are heavily against Israel and the true Jews will be tested. Those righteous Gentiles who stand with Israel will be dealt with kindly and they may survive the obscene annhililation which will occur should this war start.

I believe that a majority of the worlds population may perish. But Moshiach will have arrived at this point and the Jewish nation {those whose faith withstood the great temptation} will be redeemed.

Let me find some references here:



http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/604668/jewish/The-War-of-Gog-and-Magog.htm

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The Battle of Gog and Magog

By Naftali Silberberg

The prophet Ezekiel (chapters 38-39) describes a climactic battle that will be instigated by Gog and/of Magog, and will be waged against Israel and G‑d. The defeat of Gog and Magog will precipitate the Messianic Redemption. It is difficult to dwell on this topic because it is so shrouded in mystery. We are uncertain as to the identity of Gog and Magog, whether Gog and Magog are the names of nations or individuals, whether this battle will be a physical or spiritual battle, and even whether it has already occurred or not.

Some say that Elijah will arrive before the war of Gog and Magog, while others say that he will arrive three days prior to the revelation of Moshiach.

According to tradition, the central personality in this war is Moshiach ben Yosef—Moshiach of the tribe of Joseph. Jewish tradition speaks of two redeemers, each one called Moshiach. Both are involved in ushering in the Messianic Era. They are Moshiach ben David and Moshiach ben Yosef. (The unqualified term "Moshiach," however, belongs exclusively to Moshiach ben David, the ultimate redeemer.)

Moshiach ben Yosef will be killed in the war against Gog and Magog. Again, it is unclear whether the death will be in physical battle, or as a result of the spiritual battles which he will wage against the forces of evil. Either way, the prophet Zechariah (12:10) describes the national mourning that will follow his death.

Apparently, though, the death of Moshiach ben Yosef is not inevitable. The master-kabbalist Rabbi Isaac Luria, known as the Arizal, said that when saying in the Amidah the words, "speedily establish the throne of Your servant David," one should beseech G‑d that Moshiach ben Yosef should not die in the course of his struggles.

According to certain sources, Moshiach be Yosef will serve as Moshiach ben David's viceroy. Thus finally bringing to an end the schism between the northern Ten Tribes, which were ruled by Joseph's descendants, and the Kingdom of Judea, which was ruled by the Davidic dynasty.

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/324/Q1/
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From: Jim in Charlotte, NC

        Dear Rabbi,
        Is this the end of the world?

    Dear Jim,
    Is what the end of the world?

    A principle of Jewish faith is the belief in "mashiach," a messianic era in which the world reaches a state of tikun and perfection. Rather than a twisted gnarl of meaninglessness, history is a meaningful yet misunderstood process approaching ever closer to its perfection.

    This revolutionary idea is the gift to mankind from the Jew. The words emblazoned on the United Nations building, "They will beat their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks; nation will not lift sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore," is the vision of a fifth century B.C.E. Sabbath-observant, kashrut-observant Jew, Isaiah. He lived Israel. He said it in Hebrew.

    This war-less world will be "at the end of days" (Isaiah 2:4) when the nations will realize that Judaism and the Torah are true and that the Jews are chosen to convey the Torah's message to the world. Everyone will look to Jerusalem and the Jews for direction; all war will cease because everyone will submit to Jewish sovereignty under the rulership of a benevolent, enlightened monarch, the mashiach.

    Does this look like it's about to happen?

    Still, the great turmoil, mass destruction and the "War of Gog and Magog" which are to precede the great era of peace have all been predicted in our sources; according to prophecies in our Bible and Rabbinic writings, the nations will wage war against each other and against Jerusalem, and the descendants of Ishmael will wage war against all the other nations of the world.

    Does this look like it's about to happen?

    The great Sage Rabbi Yisrael Meir Kagan, known as the "Chafetz Chaim," said that "Gog and Magog" would be a three-stage process, stage one of which was the first World War. He predicted that another war even more devastating would follow in about 25 years (WWII) and said that this war would be stage two, after which there would eventually come a third war.

    So, on the one hand, when we look at the horizon, we definitely don't see a peace-filled utopia anywhere out there. On the other hand, Jewish tradition tells us that it is there, and that each day brings us one day closer to it. And just as one hour and a half on September 11th seemed to change the whole world for the worse, so too can the world ever so quickly change for the infinitely better.

    Isaiah 2:4
    Shemot Rabba 1
    Zecharia 14
    Ezekiel 38
    Zohar Chadash Shir Hashirim 10
    Lev Eliyahu Shemot p172
    Chafetz Chaim story related by Rabbi Shimon Schwab, zatzal, who witnessed the incident

And one more:

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http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/orchards/archives/vaera62.htm
For the those of you who are two weeks ahead of the rest of us, in Beshalach, Pharaoh is going to be told the Jews are wandering aimlessly in the desert and are trapped at the edge of the sea and Pharaoh’s heart will harden one more time and he’ll round up 600 chariots and pursue Israel. Where in the Nile did he find animals to pull those chariots? From the   G-d fearing people! These people get credit for their fear of G-d?

When Pharaoh asks Moshe to stop the Barad Moshe says (9:29), “When I leave the city I shall spread out my hands to Hashem.” The Ramban says to end the first 6 plagues Moshe prayed from his house. This time he wanted to spread out his hands to Hashem so he went out of the city. Why suddenly such a dramatic change in praying to Hashem?

To begin to understand the answers to all these questions we need to understand a remarkable Midrash on the words (9:33), “The thunder ceased and the hail and rain did not reach the earth.” The Midrash says the hail is yet suspended mid air and will fall on Gog and Magog in the days of the Mashiach. In other words, the hail and rain did not stop by its heavenly production ceasing and what was already produced fell to the ground. Every hailstone ceased to exist [from our physical realm] in its place. The Midrash is telling us that when the time is right every single stone will reappear and undoubtedly pummel Gog and Magog as were pummeled the people and livestock of Egypt 3313 years ago. That’s gotta hurt.

The 38th and 39th chapters of Yechezkel foretell the inevitable battle between Gog, of the land of Magog, alongside a multitude of other nations, and Israel. A war that will be fought in the land of Israel and whose conclusion will be the end of all the enemies of Israel and a heralding of the Messianic era.

Holy writings of recent Sages say the battle will be over Jerusalem. However the verses will be physically manifest, there exists a deeper meaning to the words. If the conclusion of the war will be the world’s awareness of Hashem and the onset of the Messianic era, then the war is regarding just that. Not only is it a war of swords and arrows, it is also a war of words. Words of denial and heresy against Hashem and against His anointed one. Enemies of Israel don’t only raise their fists against Israel. They also raise doubts in the minds and hearts of Israel. As it is written in Psalms 2:1-2 (which Rashi says alludes to the war to end all wars), “Why do nations gather and regimes talk in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the princes conspire secretly against Hashem and against His anointed one.”

Getting back to the parsha, commentaries discuss how the 10 plagues correlate to the 10 sfiros- spiritual spheres or realms which envelope the world. In one sense the sfiros are like veils masking Hashems awesome presence, which allows us and the universe to exist. The first utterance of creation created the first, outermost veil. The second utterance created the next veil in. By the 10th utterance the world and all its contents were in place and we were in position to make a choice. Is the world a cosmic glitch or is their a Stage Designer behind the scenes waiting to reveal Himself?
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on April 13, 2010, 11:25:05 PM
I just remembered reading an article about one of this country's earliest "Survivalists" who was an heir to a huge fortune earned by his family.  The actual name and business escapes me at the moment, but this man was perhaps the earliest "bug out patriot" and I believe he was the founder of the 1950's anti-Communist group which called itself "The Minutemen" (no relationship to the modern border patrol group of the same name).  He would elude the Feds when they were searching for him to arrest him by taking off into the desert and wilderness on foot, and survive very well for months on end.  In an interview, he said that to stock up on long term storage rations and the other 'survival' food products sold today was, in his opinion, a big waste of money.  He said that all that is necessary for human health/survival over sustained long periods was to buy 100 lb. or larger quantity bags of dry dog food!  He claimed that it is storable, portable, cheap in cost, and both highly nutritious as well as high calorie.  Having myself tried eating it, I can't say I enjoyed it, but in terms of survival nutrition and being cost efficient it's certainly worth considering, and certain to taste better the hungrier you get! 
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: IsraelForever on April 13, 2010, 11:32:17 PM
He eluded the Feds until he ate the dog food.  They they collared him!
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: Rubystars on April 13, 2010, 11:34:18 PM
It seems like it would be smarter to get primate chow than dog food. I think primate chow plus vegetables for fiber (that can be grown in a garden or harvested wild), would be enough to sustain you. However there was a guy who tried to live on primate chow and he said the taste was so awful that he couldn't do it for long.

Of course he wasn't starving either.

Massuh thank you for giving this information. I think it's important to know about every possible food source if facing starvation. If everything else in the grocery store is looted for example there might be some pet foods left, or people might not think to raid Petco or Petsmart, where perfectly edible food in a survival situation might be found.
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: syyuge on April 19, 2010, 03:03:07 AM
To safeguard against any such eventualities, actually Tunguska-1000 should be liberally and profusely applied on all muslamic cities. 

At least for another 1000 years nobody is going to understand as to who did it and how and why. 
 ;D :laugh: :::D
 

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=141369

Hmmm... this might be some reconnaissance mission searching for Madina at the wrong places.
;D
Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on April 19, 2010, 08:15:07 AM
In my opinion, to Tunguska all the Moham cities without first spraying thousands of tons of aerosol LSD-25 over them would be equivalent to euthanizing animals without first administering a medication to relax them, and this would be committing acts of animal cruelty!

Title: Re: Surviving nuclear fallout
Post by: ~Hanna~ on April 21, 2010, 12:49:34 PM
Ive got 3 apple trees, two cherry trees, a pear tree and a crabapple tree in my yard.