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Israel to erect monument to Red Army WWII victory
JERUSALEM (AFP-EJP)---Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel will build a "victory monument" to the World War II efforts of the Soviet Red Army to defeat Nazi Germany.
http://www.ejpress.org/article/43837
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What a slap in the face to all the people the Soviets murdered.
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This is the stupidest approach Israel could take, yes the Nazis were evil but how is putting a monument to people who killed so many people including Jews helping? The soviets were just as horrible and it's essentially Israels government openly supporting communism. This is shameful and dishonorable. We should never support what the soviets did, they didn't save any Jews, they tried to finish what hitler started.
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Stalin was just as bad as Hitler how can Israel honor him? This move will cause a lot more anti-Semitism.
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Question: Was the Red Army out to help Jews? What about the Russian people in general? Does the name "Babi Yar" ring a bell?
Has Bibi gone off his rocker?
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Don't forget that Israel was founded by openly Marxist Jews like Ben Gurion. Most right-wing Jews either perished in the Holocaust or were ruthlessly crushed by the Haganah communist forces after WWII.
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Stalin was worse than Hitler.
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Stalin was worse than Hitler.
For, in particular, a Jew?
(I do agree, however, for the population in general.)
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Stalin was worse than Hitler.
No one has ever been and no one will ever be like or worse than Hitler. No way - maybe Ahmadinejad.
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why to erect monuments to this animals? >:( we better be erecting monuments to the british and american forces beacuse at least they behaved like human beings during the war and it is realy bad beacuse it's like erercting monuments to stallin himself.what next? erecting monuments to the ustasa nazies? or maybe build a noce little monument to mohammad in the middle of tel aviv.this country makes me sick sometimes. >:(
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
Surely NOT!
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I think their honoring Zhukov and Konev, cause they were the 2 Russian generals most responsible for defeating the Nazis.
The Russians did free the death camps.
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Israel to erect monument to Red Army WWII victory
JERUSALEM (AFP-EJP)---Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel will build a "victory monument" to the World War II efforts of the Soviet Red Army to defeat Nazi Germany.
http://www.ejpress.org/article/43837
Even though all the Soviet Union's support in arms and finances (and politics) went to the arab enemies that tried to wipe us out numerous times. And even though they nearly killed off all their Jews and Stalin had a plan to deport them all to Siberia (those who hadn't already been sent there). I'm sure these Israeli marxists wish that Russia was still called soviet union!
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
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at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.
That's not a good logic. Soviet Union also did at some point, considering they voted in favor of the partition plan in the UN decision. This sentiment was shortlived, but nonetheless it destroys your point.
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
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Who cares about maniac Adolf Shitler! I think that the European Union is directed by people whose political ideol Adolf Shitler is!
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Who cares about maniac Adolf Shitler! I think that the European Union is directed by people whose political ideol Adolf Shitler is!
no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
Actually Hitler was very clear on what he thought of Zionism in Mein Kampf, he specifically stated that "Jews do not want a Jewish state, or a homeland, but a base of operations for criminal purposes while they remain global". I can get the direct quote. Hitler hated the Jewish people and the concept of a Zionist state, he had no intention of ever allowing a Jewish state. The only intention he ever had was originally to deport Jews from Germany to Madagascar and then the 3rd reich openly started throwing the Jews in deathcamps. Where do you think "Neuterai Karta" got the concept of opposing Israel as a state? That is insulting for you to claim Hitler was pro Jewish and I am starting to think you are not Israeli or even Jewish if you are defending Hitler.
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Hitler wanted the Jews in "Palestine" in the start because he thought he'd have the chance to conquer it from the British and eliminate the Jews using his lovely Arab friends.
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no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.
I agree that also communists control the EU. EU and USSR have a lot in common!
But in some cases the EU is acting also like a real fascist union.
I would not be surprised if some EU functionaries praise Adolf Shitler and a trying to contact his spirit in order to obtain political power. Dark satanic organizations are behind the EU.
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
Actually Hitler was very clear on what he thought of Zionism in Mein Kampf, he specifically stated that "Jews do not want a Jewish state, or a homeland, but a base of operations for criminal purposes while they remain global". I can get the direct quote. Hitler hated the Jewish people and the concept of a Zionist state, he had no intention of ever allowing a Jewish state. The only intention he ever had was originally to deport Jews from Germany to Madagascar and then the 3rd reich openly started throwing the Jews in deathcamps. Where do you think "Neuterai Karta" got the concept of opposing Israel as a state? That is insulting for you to claim Hitler was pro Jewish and I am starting to think you are not Israeli or even Jewish if you are defending Hitler.
when exactly i dfeneded him? what i am saying is that he is far less worse than stalin beacuse if stalin ruled the entire world half of the world would be dead by now and i am not so sure what will happen to the other half.
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no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.
I agree that also communists control the EU. EU and USSR have a lot in common!
But in some cases the EU is acting also like a real fascist union.
I would not be surprised if some EU functionaries praise Adolf Shitler and a trying to contact his spirit in order to obtain political power. Dark satanic organizations are behind the EU.
contact his spirit? well thats new. anyway i hope the eu will collapse on its own.
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contact his spirit? well thats new. anyway i hope the eu will collapse on its own.
Yes it is indeed very, very, very shocking, but true!!
At the Hague tribunal the teams of juridical experts are so desperate, that they are trying to contact Shitler because they can not prove the indictments from the accusation against Serb politicians!
On 20 April (Shitler’s birthday) and 29 April (the day when he died) allot of juridical experts are present at the court. Why such ceremonies only on those days? They are so desperate!
Probably by means of witchcraft they want behind the scenes, to obtain information from Shitler on how to solve the problems with the Serbs! This is not a coincidence but a real satanic ritual, which occurs at the Hague!
Serb politicians who are being trailed in the Hague declared that many functionaries of the Hague tribunal worship Shitler! To some European organizations Adolf Shitler is still a political idol! Serbs from the Hague said that they will again crush Hitler's followers again just like in 1945!
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
Actually Hitler was very clear on what he thought of Zionism in Mein Kampf, he specifically stated that "Jews do not want a Jewish state, or a homeland, but a base of operations for criminal purposes while they remain global". I can get the direct quote. Hitler hated the Jewish people and the concept of a Zionist state, he had no intention of ever allowing a Jewish state. The only intention he ever had was originally to deport Jews from Germany to Madagascar and then the 3rd reich openly started throwing the Jews in deathcamps. Where do you think "Neuterai Karta" got the concept of opposing Israel as a state? That is insulting for you to claim Hitler was pro Jewish and I am starting to think you are not Israeli or even Jewish if you are defending Hitler.
when exactly i dfeneded him? what i am saying is that he is far less worse than stalin beacuse if stalin ruled the entire world half of the world would be dead by now and i am not so sure what will happen to the other half.
These are Hitlers very own words what he said about a Jewish state. Maybe you should reexamine what you "believe".
"The Jew’s domination in the state seems so assured that now not only can he call himself a Jew again, but he ruthlessly admits his ultimate national and political designs. A section of his race openly owns itself to be a foreign people, yet even here they lie. For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."
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Footnotes, anyone?
Sources for quotes like these should be annotated.
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Footnotes, anyone?
Sources for quotes like these should be annotated.
Wikipedia says it's Chapter 11
Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter XI: Nation and Race
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contact his spirit? well thats new. anyway i hope the eu will collapse on its own.
Yes it is indeed very, very, very shocking, but true!!
At the Hague tribunal the teams of juridical experts are so desperate, that they are trying to contact Shitler because they can not prove the indictments from the accusation against Serb politicians!
On 20 April (Shitler’s birthday) and 29 April (the day when he died) allot of juridical experts are present at the court. Why such ceremonies only on those days? They are so desperate!
Probably by means of witchcraft they want behind the scenes, to obtain information from Shitler on how to solve the problems with the Serbs! This is not a coincidence but a real satanic ritual, which occurs at the Hague!
Serb politicians who are being trailed in the Hague declared that many functionaries of the Hague tribunal worship Shitler! To some European organizations Adolf Shitler is still a political idol! Serbs from the Hague said that they will again crush Hitler's followers again just like in 1945!
i have only one thing to say about hague i hope that they city would be underwater in the next fifty years!!
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
Actually Hitler was very clear on what he thought of Zionism in Mein Kampf, he specifically stated that "Jews do not want a Jewish state, or a homeland, but a base of operations for criminal purposes while they remain global". I can get the direct quote. Hitler hated the Jewish people and the concept of a Zionist state, he had no intention of ever allowing a Jewish state. The only intention he ever had was originally to deport Jews from Germany to Madagascar and then the 3rd reich openly started throwing the Jews in deathcamps. Where do you think "Neuterai Karta" got the concept of opposing Israel as a state? That is insulting for you to claim Hitler was pro Jewish and I am starting to think you are not Israeli or even Jewish if you are defending Hitler.
when exactly i dfeneded him? what i am saying is that he is far less worse than stalin beacuse if stalin ruled the entire world half of the world would be dead by now and i am not so sure what will happen to the other half.
These are Hitlers very own words what he said about a Jewish state. Maybe you should reexamine what you "believe".
"The Jew’s domination in the state seems so assured that now not only can he call himself a Jew again, but he ruthlessly admits his ultimate national and political designs. A section of his race openly owns itself to be a foreign people, yet even here they lie. For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."
i never deny what he wrote in the main kampf
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
Actually Hitler was very clear on what he thought of Zionism in Mein Kampf, he specifically stated that "Jews do not want a Jewish state, or a homeland, but a base of operations for criminal purposes while they remain global". I can get the direct quote. Hitler hated the Jewish people and the concept of a Zionist state, he had no intention of ever allowing a Jewish state. The only intention he ever had was originally to deport Jews from Germany to Madagascar and then the 3rd reich openly started throwing the Jews in deathcamps. Where do you think "Neuterai Karta" got the concept of opposing Israel as a state? That is insulting for you to claim Hitler was pro Jewish and I am starting to think you are not Israeli or even Jewish if you are defending Hitler.
when exactly i dfeneded him? what i am saying is that he is far less worse than stalin beacuse if stalin ruled the entire world half of the world would be dead by now and i am not so sure what will happen to the other half.
These are Hitlers very own words what he said about a Jewish state. Maybe you should reexamine what you "believe".
"The Jew’s domination in the state seems so assured that now not only can he call himself a Jew again, but he ruthlessly admits his ultimate national and political designs. A section of his race openly owns itself to be a foreign people, yet even here they lie. For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."
i never deny what he wrote in the main kampf
No you merely endorsed it.
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Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
i couldn't have been said it better.all the people that said hitler was worst than stalin are fakes.at least at some point hitler support the idea of an independenet jewish state.honestly i can't understand why a jew (or any human being in that case) would even considering joining communism as they are more dangerous and degenerastes even from islam.
Hitler didn't support a Jewish state, he even made a reference in Mein Kampf critisizing Israels existence. Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to do anything he could to rid them from Germany. I don't t hink that's a good comparison at all. Stalin was evil because he destroyed the Jews not just physically but spiritually as well. Communism was largely sympathetic to the Arabs, where do you think they got all their weapons from? It's no surprise that almost all the Arab countries are armed with former Soviet weapons.
well,hitler didn't criticised israel's existence in the mein kampf beacuse at that time israel didn't existed.
Actually Hitler was very clear on what he thought of Zionism in Mein Kampf, he specifically stated that "Jews do not want a Jewish state, or a homeland, but a base of operations for criminal purposes while they remain global". I can get the direct quote. Hitler hated the Jewish people and the concept of a Zionist state, he had no intention of ever allowing a Jewish state. The only intention he ever had was originally to deport Jews from Germany to Madagascar and then the 3rd reich openly started throwing the Jews in deathcamps. Where do you think "Neuterai Karta" got the concept of opposing Israel as a state? That is insulting for you to claim Hitler was pro Jewish and I am starting to think you are not Israeli or even Jewish if you are defending Hitler.
when exactly i dfeneded him? what i am saying is that he is far less worse than stalin beacuse if stalin ruled the entire world half of the world would be dead by now and i am not so sure what will happen to the other half.
These are Hitlers very own words what he said about a Jewish state. Maybe you should reexamine what you "believe".
"The Jew’s domination in the state seems so assured that now not only can he call himself a Jew again, but he ruthlessly admits his ultimate national and political designs. A section of his race openly owns itself to be a foreign people, yet even here they lie. For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."
i never deny what he wrote in the main kampf
No you merely endorsed it.
i never endorsed it
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There were 9 million Jews in continental Europe in 1939. If Red army was not defeating the Nazis they ALL would be killed. I dont see anything wrong to honor people who defeated the Nazi beast. Hundreds of thousands of Jews fought in Red army.
Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
Thats idiotic statement.
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There were 9 million Jews in continental Europe in 1939. If Red army was not defeating the Nazis they ALL would be killed. I dont see anything wrong to honor people who defeated the Nazi beast. Hundreds of thousands of Jews fought in Red army.
So do non-Jewish lives mean nothing to you? Stalin murdered millions too. Regardless of whether some of what he did had a good effect, he doesn't deserve credit for any of it.
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The Israel authorities who are interested in raising such victory monuments for red army and democratic armies shall raise them with their own money at red square, near Liberty Island and near Trafalgar Square. I mean if they are really interested.
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There were 9 million Jews in continental Europe in 1939. If Red army was not defeating the Nazis they ALL would be killed. I dont see anything wrong to honor people who defeated the Nazi beast. Hundreds of thousands of Jews fought in Red army.
So do non-Jewish lives mean nothing to you? Stalin murdered millions too. Regardless of whether some of what he did had a good effect, he doesn't deserve credit for any of it.
1) Hitler considered Slavic people as lower race and slaves. If Nazis were winning they would kill tens of milions Russians as well (in addition to tens of millions he killed during the warfare).
2) Monument is not to Stalin but to Red Army.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
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And the Global Jewry too..
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Hashem willing, such things were never to happen again, so everyone developed/copied nukes except Iran so far, before the things are really to happen.
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1) Hitler considered Slavic people as lower race and slaves. If Nazis were winning they would kill tens of milions Russians as well (in addition to tens of millions he killed during the warfare).
2) Monument is not to Stalin but to Red Army.
Exatcly! If the Nazis would conquer Russia, Russians would be exterminated in occupied Russia. As soon as the Nazis invaded Serbia, extermination camps for Serbs, Jews and Gypsies were opened. The Nazis would do the same thing in Russia. Thank G-d they did not manage to invade Russia. But the communist policy towards the Russians, was Nazi oriented policy.
2) Monument is not to Stalin but to Red Army.
I respect all true Russian patriots who honestly defended Russia, unfortunately under the red uniform. The leaders of the red army and the communist government were evil and do not deserve a monument. The naive Russians thought that they are serving their country, but actually Russia went down the toilet during the communists. The communists are to be compared to Nazis. Both of them were killers!
So the monument should be exclusively dedicated to the Russian soldiers who were fighting for their country and not to the communists criminal leaders, who gave sick orders, like to rape and kill people. To bad the monument is dedicated to reds. If they decide to create a monument, then it should be dedicated only to the Russian soldiers and not to the reds and communism.
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There were 9 million Jews in continental Europe in 1939. If Red army was not defeating the Nazis they ALL would be killed. I dont see anything wrong to honor people who defeated the Nazi beast. Hundreds of thousands of Jews fought in Red army.
Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
Thats idiotic statement.
The red army didn't liberate the Jews, and that's insulting that you would think they did. Maybe you should study your history, the Soviets weren't heros by any means, it's equivalent to the crusades when the Jews were in the middle of a war between the Catholics and the Muslims. By all means if you want to worship a communist, go wave a star with sickle flag and hail comrade stalin if you think he's such a hero. I'm sure the families of millions of others who died under Stalin will greet you with open arms, mind you many of those numbers include Jews who were murdered and exiled to Siberia by Stalin. No Jew should ever call a communist a hero.
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There were 9 million Jews in continental Europe in 1939. If Red army was not defeating the Nazis they ALL would be killed. I dont see anything wrong to honor people who defeated the Nazi beast. Hundreds of thousands of Jews fought in Red army.
So do non-Jewish lives mean nothing to you? Stalin murdered millions too. Regardless of whether some of what he did had a good effect, he doesn't deserve credit for any of it.
1) Hitler considered Slavic people as lower race and slaves. If Nazis were winning they would kill tens of milions Russians as well (in addition to tens of millions he killed during the warfare).
2) Monument is not to Stalin but to Red Army.
Maybe you forgot how many Slavs were actually used by Hitler, how about the Ustache Croatians who were slavs? The Polish, and many others. Hitler definitely made exceptions if it meant killing Jews.
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Maybe you forgot how many Slavs were actually used by Hitler, how about the Ustache Croatians who were slavs? The Polish, and many others. Hitler definitely made exceptions if it meant killing Jews.
Anti-Russian Slav were tolerated by Hitler.
The pro-Russian Slavs were exterminated by the Nazis.
Remeber the Nazis murdered 27 million Russians during WW2!
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Maybe you forgot how many Slavs were actually used by Hitler, how about the Ustache Croatians who were slavs? The Polish, and many others. Hitler definitely made exceptions if it meant killing Jews.
Anti-Russian Slav were tolerated by Hitler.
The pro-Russian Slavs were exterminated by the Nazis.
Remeber the Nazis murdered 27 million Russians during WW2!
But yet we're putting up monuments to the people that arm our enemies and caused many more of us to perish, i'm still trying to figure out that logic.
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But yet we're putting up monuments to the people that arm our enemies and caused many more of us to perish, i'm still trying to figure out that logic.
Do you consider Russia as your enemy?
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There were 9 million Jews in continental Europe in 1939. If Red army was not defeating the Nazis they ALL would be killed. I dont see anything wrong to honor people who defeated the Nazi beast. Hundreds of thousands of Jews fought in Red army.
Stalin's global spiritual (to this day) and physical Holocaust against the Jewish people is worse than Hitler's Holocaust against the Jewish people.
Thats idiotic statement.
The red army didn't liberate the Jews, and that's insulting that you would think they did. Maybe you should study your history, the Soviets weren't heros by any means, it's equivalent to the crusades when the Jews were in the middle of a war between the Catholics and the Muslims. By all means if you want to worship a communist, go wave a star with sickle flag and hail comrade stalin if you think he's such a hero. I'm sure the families of millions of others who died under Stalin will greet you with open arms, mind you many of those numbers include Jews who were murdered and exiled to Siberia by Stalin. No Jew should ever call a communist a hero.
You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations. One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
from wikipedia:
On May 7, 1934, the Presidium of the General Executive Committee accepted the decree on its transformation into the Jewish Autonomous Region within the Russian Federation. In 1938, with formation of the Khabarovsk Territory, the Jewish Autonomous Region (JAR) was included in its structure.[17]
According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:
1. Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
2. Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
That was nothing but a mass deportation and concentration of Jews.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
beacuse he wanted to concentrate them first in a mass extermination camp-biroubidzan.
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It's a fact that he was planning to do that just before he died.
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You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.
Source?
One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.
Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
beacuse he wanted to concentrate them first in a mass extermination camp-biroubidzan.
He could do that in one month, Why he was waiting for 30 years?
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
beacuse he wanted to concentrate them first in a mass extermination camp-biroubidzan.
He could do that in one month, Why he was waiting for 30 years?
beacuse of personnal illness.wow all the guys that supporting stalin are amazing in their ignorance.
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You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.
Source?
One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.
Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
Sadly I have to tell you that there are reliable sources: Simple history book, for example:
During the years 1939-41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war.[27] According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered.
Yes, Russians deported Jews after getting them out of the concentration camps! >:(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
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Amit85 what you claim about Stalin are facts, but those facts can not be used to justify the crimers against the Russians. Stalin murdered many Orthodox Russians and that makes him an evil man!
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Amit85 what you claim about Stalin are facts, but those facts can not be used to justify the crimers against the Russians. Stalin murdered many Orthodox Russians and that makes him an evil man!
why are you answering.he is probably a commie troll
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Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
What you are saying is misleading. The soviet communist apparatus was strongly opposed to zionism and saw it as a dissident movement which is why Menachem Begin was in a forced labor camp along with other Jews (he refers to it as a concentration camp several times in the English translation of his book although I'm still not 100% clear about his use of that terminology there - not to say that it wasn't severe conditions, it certainly was). The Soviets considered Jews to be colonialist agents of the British working together actively against soviet interests in the middle east (and while in Russia also working against soviet interests). They doubted the intentions of zionism, what was written about it, what people said, etc. They had a conspiracy theory and stuck to it - apparently drawn from protocols of elders of zion. No matter what "national aspirations" are claimed, the Jews are only pretending, and they are secretly out to destroy the Soviet union and prevent its influence in the middle east region. (This reminds me of the strikingly similar sentiments Hitler yimach shemo expressed about zionism quoted in this thread!)
The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived. We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us. This was due to many factors involved, but the Jewish underground's violence against the British was one of them (they began to see past their conspiracy theory w/ regards to the british when they realized that the Jews might actually succeed in what they were doing - if so the Soviets wanted to capitalize), and I'm sure bribery and other political machinations were involved. But the main interest was always soviet union #1 and I can't see how a brief period of moral support and arms deals with a particular soviet republic with a prozionist leadership makes stalin into a hero.
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You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.
Source?
One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.
Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
Sadly I have to tell you that there are reliable sources: Simple history book, for example:
During the years 1939-41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war.[27] According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
1) You claimed that Soviets finished job of SS massacring Jews in villages and towns. You could not find any support for this claim.
2) Its true that after conquering East Poland in 1939 Stalin deported million poles and 100 thousand Jews to Sibiria. Ironically those Jews mostly survived. While Jews that were not deported and remained in East Poland were captured in 1941 by Germans and slaughtered.
Yes, Russians deported Jews after getting them out of the concentration camps! >:(
Those deported were not from concentration camps.
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Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
What you are saying is misleading. The soviet communist apparatus was strongly opposed to zionism and saw it as a dissident movement which is why Menachem Begin was in a forced labor camp along with other Jews (he refers to it as a concentration camp several times in the English translation of his book although I'm still not 100% clear about his use of that terminology there - not to say that it wasn't severe conditions, it certainly was). The Soviets considered Jews to be colonialist agents of the British working together actively against soviet interests in the middle east (and while in Russia also working against soviet interests). They doubted the intentions of zionism, what was written about it, what people said, etc. They had a conspiracy theory and stuck to it - apparently drawn from protocols of elders of zion. No matter what "national aspirations" are claimed, the Jews are only pretending, and they are secretly out to destroy the Soviet union and prevent its influence in the middle east region. (This reminds me of the strikingly similar sentiments Hitler yimach shemo expressed about zionism quoted in this thread!)
If Begin was captured by Nazis he would be killed.
The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived. We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.
Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.
Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.
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You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.
Source?
One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.
Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
Sadly I have to tell you that there are reliable sources: Simple history book, for example:
During the years 1939-41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war.[27] According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
1) You claimed that Soviets finished job of SS massacring Jews in villages and towns. You could not find any support for this claim.
2) Its true that after conquering East Poland in 1939 Stalin deported million poles and 100 thousand Jews to Sibiria. Ironically those Jews mostly survived. While Jews that were not deported and remained in East Poland were captured in 1941 by Germans and slaughtered.
Yes, Russians deported Jews after getting them out of the concentration camps! >:(
Those deported were not from concentration camps.
Not these mentioned above. But there is suspicions that Russians deported Jews from CCs in POoland and elsewhere since many of them did not appear after the camps were liberated... What would you guess where they have gone? Just disappeared?
I have seen a report in Brazil about WWII and people who live in São Paulo (it was a special for the 450th anniversary of the city) they interviewed many people who fled to São Paulo after WWII and they said they did as if they were dead in order to not get shot by the Russians after they escaped the SS troops. Why should they lie?
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Beria was personal choice of Stalin. But under the pressure of anti-Semitic EuroCommunist lobby Stalin could never properly promote Beria. Against all odds Beria tried his best to support the efforts for Israel but after Stalin he got isolated and obliterated by anti-Semitic EuroCommunist revisionist lobby.
Beria was originally a Georgian orthodox like Stalin. So it is very difficult to understand that why he supported the Jews. The role of Beria has always remained in the dark clouds and only assumptions about him have been running in the market. He was to follow the fate of Trotsky, Kamenev, Jinovyev and many others.
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But yet we're putting up monuments to the people that arm our enemies and caused many more of us to perish, i'm still trying to figure out that logic.
Do you consider Russia as your enemy?
Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.
They killed many people when they went through eastern europe and much of my family that stayed behind in Romania went through hell under Nicolae Ceausescu.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
Don't fool yourself, the Soviet Union had just as much of a racialist policy as Nazi Germany, the concept by Karl Marx was to "erase" the concept of race and religion by assimilating all people under one system but yet the Soviet Union specifically separated people into "homelands" based on their ethnic background, Tartars were sent to certain regions, the Turkic to another, Jews were supposed to be deported to the east in Siberia, and white Russians in their own area. The reason you don't know about massacre of Jews in the Soviet Union is because unlike Nazi Germany who got caught with their pants down and a lot of documentation was confiscated, the Soviet Union slowly erased and absolved it's self from it's past crimes by destroying evidence of it's past.
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You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.
Source?
One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.
Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
Maybe you would fit in better on revolutionary left or the antifa forums, we're not communists here.
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Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.
Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?
I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries.
It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.
You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.
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As a Russian descent Jew I wish only Fire and destruction to RuSSia.
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Who cares about maniac Adolf Shitler! I think that the European Union is directed by people whose political ideol Adolf Shitler is!
no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.
In your signature it says the european union is your allie.
This doesn't make sense...
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Who cares about maniac Adolf Shitler! I think that the European Union is directed by people whose political ideol Adolf Shitler is!
no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.
In your signature it says the european union is your allie.
This doesn't make sense...
i wtorte the eu as my ally to save me the space of writing the individual members.we should create a pan western state instead of the eu.
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Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.
Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?
I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries.
It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.
You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.
It's a fact that the Russians were heavily involved in the arming of both Americas enemies and Israels. Did you forget the Cuban missile crisis? Florida was in a state of panic over the whole thing, how about Vietnam? Where do you think all the weapons in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, come from? Most of it comes from the Soviet Union, even during Yom Kippur war, the Soviets sent subs ready to strike Israel to assist the Arabs.
A lot of the Russians in Israel aren't even Jews, they aren't circumsized, nor do they speak one word of Hebrew, they are Russians who fraudulently got into Israel. It's well known that Russians can buy forged paperwork on the blackmarket and ended up getting into the country illegally to expand their criminal enterprises in Israel. It's because of the Russians that Israel is dealing with sex slaves, gambling, prostitution, murder, and more. The Russian mafia uses the Jewish people as a proxy to conduct their criminal activities.
That's not to say all Jews that come from Russia aren't Jews, many are, but there are also a great deal today primarily in Israel that are not Jewish. We let them in and we get Neo Nazis in return.
The communists initially recognized Israel because Israels founders were socialists and the Soviet Union supported a socialist state in hope that it would turn full blown communist, however Israel balanced between Socialism/Capitalism and the Soviet Union ended up siding with the Arabs.
I will never consider Russia my friend, I have nothing against the Russians as a people, but as a country, they are corrupt.
and I am not of Russian background, I have nothing in common with Russian Jews. I come from a Sephardic family.
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Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.
Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?
I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries.
It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.
You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.
It's a fact that the Russians were heavily involved in the arming of both Americas enemies and Israels. Did you forget the Cuban missile crisis? Florida was in a state of panic over the whole thing, how about Vietnam? Where do you think all the weapons in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, come from? Most of it comes from the Soviet Union, even during Yom Kippur war, the Soviets sent subs ready to strike Israel to assist the Arabs.
A lot of the Russians in Israel aren't even Jews, they aren't circumsized, nor do they speak one word of Hebrew, they are Russians who fraudulently got into Israel. It's well known that Russians can buy forged paperwork on the blackmarket and ended up getting into the country illegally to expand their criminal enterprises in Israel. It's because of the Russians that Israel is dealing with sex slaves, gambling, prostitution, murder, and more. The Russian mafia uses the Jewish people as a proxy to conduct their criminal activities.
That's not to say all Jews that come from Russia aren't Jews, many are, but there are also a great deal today primarily in Israel that are not Jewish. We let them in and we get Neo Nazis in return.
The communists initially recognized Israel because Israels founders were socialists and the Soviet Union supported a socialist state in hope that it would turn full blown communist, however Israel balanced between Socialism/Capitalism and the Soviet Union ended up siding with the Arabs.
I will never consider Russia my friend, I have nothing against the Russians as a people, but as a country, they are corrupt.
and I am not of Russian background, I have nothing in common with Russian Jews. I come from a Sephardic family.
why do you consider russia an enemy? russia as the potential to become one of our greatest allies.
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Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.
Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?
I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries.
It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.
You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.
It's a fact that the Russians were heavily involved in the arming of both Americas enemies and Israels. Did you forget the Cuban missile crisis? Florida was in a state of panic over the whole thing, how about Vietnam? Where do you think all the weapons in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, come from? Most of it comes from the Soviet Union, even during Yom Kippur war, the Soviets sent subs ready to strike Israel to assist the Arabs.
A lot of the Russians in Israel aren't even Jews, they aren't circumsized, nor do they speak one word of Hebrew, they are Russians who fraudulently got into Israel. It's well known that Russians can buy forged paperwork on the blackmarket and ended up getting into the country illegally to expand their criminal enterprises in Israel. It's because of the Russians that Israel is dealing with sex slaves, gambling, prostitution, murder, and more. The Russian mafia uses the Jewish people as a proxy to conduct their criminal activities.
That's not to say all Jews that come from Russia aren't Jews, many are, but there are also a great deal today primarily in Israel that are not Jewish. We let them in and we get Neo Nazis in return.
The communists initially recognized Israel because Israels founders were socialists and the Soviet Union supported a socialist state in hope that it would turn full blown communist, however Israel balanced between Socialism/Capitalism and the Soviet Union ended up siding with the Arabs.
I will never consider Russia my friend, I have nothing against the Russians as a people, but as a country, they are corrupt.
and I am not of Russian background, I have nothing in common with Russian Jews. I come from a Sephardic family.
Sorry, but the US, France, Germany, Britain and Brazil filled Iraq up to neck with weapons in the war against Iran. Later Saddam Hussein used these weapons to fight the "Western devils". Same goes for the Taliban who were armed by the US against the Soviet Union and now the Western countries fight a war that cannot be won in Afghanistan and next country to fall into the Taliban's hands might be Porkistan...
Syria has most of it's weapons from France not from Russia. I do not want to defend Russia since they help Iran to build nuclear installations (at least they are suspicious for doing so) and Russia also armed criminal regimes like those in Libya, Sudan, Cuba or Venezuela.
But today it is absurd to accuse anyone for trading and delivering weapons if even ISRAELI weapons found their way into countries like Libya by passing through dozens of other countries and hands... And no embargo will ever be able to stop this.
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I am suspicious of Russia. They have an evil history and it has only been 20+ years since the fall of USSR. It takes a long time to change the population from the mindset of communism to that of socialism and even capitalism. I also believe that there is rampant corruption in the government and therefore it is silly to believe that they can control their weapons...
I also hope that White Israelite is not besmirching Jews of Russian/Ukrainian backgrounds because to do so would be completely ridiculous.
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Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
What you are saying is misleading. The soviet communist apparatus was strongly opposed to zionism and saw it as a dissident movement which is why Menachem Begin was in a forced labor camp along with other Jews (he refers to it as a concentration camp several times in the English translation of his book although I'm still not 100% clear about his use of that terminology there - not to say that it wasn't severe conditions, it certainly was). The Soviets considered Jews to be colonialist agents of the British working together actively against soviet interests in the middle east (and while in Russia also working against soviet interests). They doubted the intentions of zionism, what was written about it, what people said, etc. They had a conspiracy theory and stuck to it - apparently drawn from protocols of elders of zion. No matter what "national aspirations" are claimed, the Jews are only pretending, and they are secretly out to destroy the Soviet union and prevent its influence in the middle east region. (This reminds me of the strikingly similar sentiments Hitler yimach shemo expressed about zionism quoted in this thread!)
If Begin was captured by Nazis he would be killed.
Your point? This is a stupid thing to say. The question is not "are nazis bad?" There is no question about that. This is about Stalin and Soviet Union and what they did. And not every Jew who was "captured" or kidnapped was murdered, but in any case, a stupid thing to say all around. That they rounded up Jews into "forced labor camps" (you really think no one suffered and died there?) says a great deal. That some were eventually freed as the Polish Jews were (due to political circumstances with the war) and some were not murdered there, does not make stalin a hero. All you have done here is obfuscate.
When it came time to round up "political dissidents" and enemy ethnicities, Jews were an automatic choice. But to you that means nothing.
The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived. We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.
Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.
Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.
Do you really think it was because Stalin liked Jews? Quit deluding yourself.
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I am suspicious of Russia. They have an evil history and it has only been 20+ years since the fall of USSR. It takes a long time to change the population from the mindset of communism to that of socialism and even capitalism. I also believe that there is rampant corruption in the government and therefore it is silly to believe that they can control their weapons...
I also hope that White Israelite is not besmirching Jews of Russian/Ukrainian backgrounds because to do so would be completely ridiculous.
I'm not, there are plenty of legitimate Russian Jews, it's not a problem in the US or anywhere else, i'm referring to Russians in Israel specifically who snuck in, are not Jewish nor do they practice any Judaism and are not circumsized, these are usually frauds who snuck into the country with illegal documentation and are actually atheists with little or no Jewish ancestry.
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A monument to the Red Army is grotesque. However, monuments to Ben-Gurion are more grotesque. Perhaps when we have a Kahanist government we will send all of these "monuments" to the scrap heaps they belong in.
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You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.
Source?
One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.
There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.
Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.
Maybe you would fit in better on revolutionary left or the antifa forums, we're not communists here.
May be you better get some arguments instead of name calling.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
Don't fool yourself, the Soviet Union had just as much of a racialist policy as Nazi Germany, the concept by Karl Marx was to "erase" the concept of race and religion by assimilating all people under one system but yet the Soviet Union specifically separated people into "homelands" based on their ethnic background, Tartars were sent to certain regions, the Turkic to another, Jews were supposed to be deported to the east in Siberia, and white Russians in their own area. The reason you don't know about massacre of Jews in the Soviet Union is because unlike Nazi Germany who got caught with their pants down and a lot of documentation was confiscated, the Soviet Union slowly erased and absolved it's self from it's past crimes by destroying evidence of it's past.
Fact is that most of the Jews in continental Europe were murdered by the Nazis, only in USSR majority of the Jews survived. And this happened thanks to Red Army. If Red Army had surrendered like French then Soviet Jews would be murdered as well.
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The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived. We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.
Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.
Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.
Do you really think it was because Stalin liked Jews? Quit deluding yourself.
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What does it matter why? Fact that he did supply weapons to Israel while USA embargoed us and British officers led Jordanian troops against us.
So Stalin was better for Israel than Truman.
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Stalin was originally a village vagabond with little brains. He always acted in such foolish and undemocratic manners that all the great leaders of west must have been considering him to be a part of the global zionist conspiracy.
That is why the western leaders made inordinate delays in opening the western front at Normandy. Alternately they vigorously opened and fought at all other trivial fronts at Philippines, Malaya and Pacific against Japan and even at Africa and at none of these places the Jewish cause were then seriously involved. So unfortunately Stalin was to be called as liberator by all those who survived even at Berlin.
If Normandy was to be opened earlier, Stalin could have barely crossed Warsaw and Kiev.
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Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.
Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.
Don't fool yourself, the Soviet Union had just as much of a racialist policy as Nazi Germany, the concept by Karl Marx was to "erase" the concept of race and religion by assimilating all people under one system but yet the Soviet Union specifically separated people into "homelands" based on their ethnic background, Tartars were sent to certain regions, the Turkic to another, Jews were supposed to be deported to the east in Siberia, and white Russians in their own area. The reason you don't know about massacre of Jews in the Soviet Union is because unlike Nazi Germany who got caught with their pants down and a lot of documentation was confiscated, the Soviet Union slowly erased and absolved it's self from it's past crimes by destroying evidence of it's past.
Fact is that most of the Jews in continental Europe were murdered by the Nazis, only in USSR majority of the Jews survived. And this happened thanks to Red Army. If Red Army had surrendered like French then Soviet Jews would be murdered as well.
But the way you put it sounds as if you wanted to say the Red Army fought the Nazis in order to save or protect the Jews. This is not true, they fought for Russia, communism and for the country becoming a world power (which Russia or USSR really became after WWII at least for some decades). That Jews were safer than in the regions that were overrun and occupied by Nazi forces and terrorized by the SS no one would ever deny. The possibility of a Jew dying in Russia was at least 10,000 times lower than in Western or Central Europe.
Even though Russia is to blame for it's anti-semitic and racist politics right after WWII, when Germany was merely a load of rubble and the rest of Western Europe still traumatized by the terror they experienced. This was the time when the next enemy were the "non-Russians" like Jews, Tatars and other minorities and Russian government could terrorize them as much as they wanted - using the Red Army as an instrument for deportations, forced work camps etc.
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The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived. We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.
Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.
Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.
Do you really think it was because Stalin liked Jews? Quit deluding yourself.
What does it matter why? Fact that he did supply weapons to Israel while USA embargoed us and British officers led Jordanian troops against us.
So Stalin was better for Israel than Truman.
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Thanks to Stalin and Soviet Russia, Hitler was able to conquer Poland and start the holocaust. The Soviets signed a Non-Aggression Treaty with Nazi Germany in 1939. That is what enabled the Germans to start the holocaust.
Stalin and the Soviets murdered thousands of Russian Jews. Stalin was so anti-Semitic that he even murdered loyal Jewish Communists because he believed that the Jews were plotting against him. He ordered that many lifelong loyal Jewish Communists be shot to death. Stalin and the Soviets also destroyed all Jewish religious life and sent rabbis and religious Jews to Siberian concentration camps.
In the 1948 war of independence, Stalin briefly supported Israel because he wanted the British out of the Middle East. He did send planes to Israel via Czechoslovakia. But immediately after the war, he changed his policy and became virulently anti-Israel and pro-Arab. Stalin supported the Arab world's effort to destroy little Israel starting in 1950.
Before his death, Stalin had planned to exterminate all Soviet Jews. He accused them of being "Zionist spies" and "cosmopolitan agents". He used the Soviet media to portray Jews the way Nazi Germany did.
Only the sickest self-hating Jew would be grateful to this Nazi monster Stalin for selling planes to Israel during the 1948 war because he wanted to see the pro-Arab British defeated. We should be grateful to someone who murdered thousands of Jews, had planned to murder all of them, enabled Hitler to exterminate 3 million Polish Jews, and started a campaign in 1950 to destroy Israel? Not to mention that Stalin and the Soviets destroyed millions of Soviet Jews spiritually, taking their Judaism away from them by force.
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The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived. We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.
Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.
Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.
Do you really think it was because Stalin liked Jews? Quit deluding yourself.
What does it matter why? Fact that he did supply weapons to Israel while USA embargoed us and British officers led Jordanian troops against us.
So Stalin was better for Israel than Truman.
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Thanks to Stalin and Soviet Russia, Hitler was able to conquer Poland and start the holocaust. The Soviets signed a Non-Aggression Treaty with Nazi Germany in 1939. That is what enabled the Germans to start the holocaust.
Stalin and the Soviets murdered thousands of Russian Jews. Stalin was so anti-Semitic that he even murdered loyal Jewish Communists because he believed that the Jews were plotting against him. He ordered that many lifelong loyal Jewish Communists be shot to death. Stalin and the Soviets also destroyed all Jewish religious life and sent rabbis and religious Jews to Siberian concentration camps.
In the 1948 war of independence, Stalin briefly supported Israel because he wanted the British out of the Middle East. He did send planes to Israel via Czechoslovakia. But immediately after the war, he changed his policy and became virulently anti-Israel and pro-Arab. Stalin supported the Arab world's effort to destroy little Israel starting in 1950.
Before his death, Stalin had planned to exterminate all Soviet Jews. He accused them of being "Zionist spies" and "cosmopolitan agents". He used the Soviet media to portray Jews the way Nazi Germany did.
Only the sickest self-hating Jew would be grateful to this Nazi monster Stalin for selling planes to Israel during the 1948 war because he wanted to see the pro-Arab British defeated. We should be grateful to someone who murdered thousands of Jews, had planned to murder all of them, enabled Hitler to exterminate 3 million Polish Jews, and started a campaign in 1950 to destroy Israel? Not to mention that Stalin and the Soviets destroyed millions of Soviet Jews spiritually, taking away their Judaism from them by force.
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great comment chaim.we can also argument that stalin learnt his gulag and slave labour method from hitler.and of course how to opress the occupied nations of eastern europe.amit85 is sick and i hope he will learn something from the commies he is in love with.
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Yes, he only supported Israel initially because he thought, it would not survive as a state and be destroyed by the Arabs who were also supported by the Soviets.
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amit85,what happened,are you afraid to answer the raguments of chaim'myself and hyades?