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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: christians4jews on May 17, 2010, 03:26:07 PM
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I think we need to put this to bed once and for all. I do not usually do threads like these but he seems to be dividing opinion. Do you think hes a WUM, a actual good poster or a guy whos been brain washed.
I think hes ok, at first i thought he was a WUM. Then Chaim revealed he was indeed a resident in israel. So then i thought he could be an arab on the trolling, but then say he can speak(or type very good hebrew). Well i assume he can anyway.(i obviously do not know hebrew).
I think some people on here are being harsh on him. So you dont agree with him, but we are not zombies. Every pretty much hates eminem bar me on here, i remember we all disagreed on who we should support for the US republican election etc.(i backed huckabee)
I actually agree with alot wth what normal atheist says, he just needs to scrap the atheism malakey and start reading what god commands and i think we could have another potential future leader.
So what are your thoughts...
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The only thing that made me cautious about him, is that EVERY one of his early posts were fixated on the white race. Theres nothing wrong with an occasional post discussing the fact that the white race is shrinking, or that it needs protection from black slaughter... but typically when a new member fixates on one topic, it is a sign of a troll.
If he has more to contribute, than just topics regarding the white race, than he is welcome. Otherwise, he may do too much damage; and I dont want to scare away our non-white members here.
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I am still skeptic about him because as of now he is still a provocative racist. He is indeed Israeli judging by his ability to communicate in Hebrew. So far it seems there has been a change to the good with him. Anyway I don't think he qualifies as a troll at all, although I still personally feel it would be a waste of my time to debate with him, other folk seem to get to him much better than I can.
PS what is a WUM ?
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and I dont want to scare away our non-white members here.
How many non-white members do we have?
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I am still skeptic about him because as of now he is still a provocative racist. He is indeed Israeli judging by his ability to communicate in Hebrew. So far it seems there has been a change to the good with him. Anyway I don't think he qualifies as a troll at all, although I still personally feel it would be a waste of my time to debate with him, other folk seem to get to him much better than I can.
PS what is a WUM ?
wind up merchant.
I think hes like me, hes a white jewish nationlist(well i am christian), but not a supremacist. i believe in the rights for whites, whether jewish or christian, or atheist(not muslim, they can jump off a bridge). But he doenst morinically hate on evey other race. For example i am a big fan of asians and alot of indians, he also said the same. Saying and i quote "we could learn alot from asian and native indian culture".
So i think there is a big difference between a white nationlist and a white supremacist. White supremacists are basically blacks with white skin.
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I don't have much patience for people who support the "pedofront."
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I am still skeptic about him because as of now he is still a provocative racist. He is indeed Israeli judging by his ability to communicate in Hebrew. So far it seems there has been a change to the good with him. Anyway I don't think he qualifies as a troll at all, although I still personally feel it would be a waste of my time to debate with him, other folk seem to get to him much better than I can.
PS what is a WUM ?
wind up merchant.
I think hes like me, hes a white jewish nationlist(well i am christian), but not a supremacist. i believe in the rights for whites, whether jewish or christian, or atheist(not muslim, they can jump off a bridge). But he doenst morinically hate on evey other race. For example i am a big fan of asians and alot of indians, he also said the same. Saying and i quote "we could learn alot from asian and native indian culture".
So i think there is a big difference between a white nationlist and a white supremacist. White supremacists are basically blacks with white skin.
I respect opinions of white nationalists. Especially if they are well reasoned like Rubystars'. But normal atheist has often sounded like he made up his mind irrespective of facts or reason, so basically, to me, he sounds sometimes like a bigot. Another thing is that white nationalism is completely foreign and incompatible in Judaism but normal-atheist has suggested things like strengthening our Jewish "race" by interbreeding with other whites and pruning out the blacks.
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I don't have much patience for people who support the "pedofront."
does he support StørmFrønt, oh boy i hate them. As mentioned earlier they are the black versions for white people. They make out jews(wheom are white on most cases) are trying to give whites a bad name...hellooooo hitler has given whites a terrible name, as have the KKK and other white supremacists.
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I am still skeptic about him because as of now he is still a provocative racist. He is indeed Israeli judging by his ability to communicate in Hebrew. So far it seems there has been a change to the good with him. Anyway I don't think he qualifies as a troll at all, although I still personally feel it would be a waste of my time to debate with him, other folk seem to get to him much better than I can.
PS what is a WUM ?
wind up merchant.
I think hes like me, hes a white jewish nationlist(well i am christian), but not a supremacist. i believe in the rights for whites, whether jewish or christian, or atheist(not muslim, they can jump off a bridge). But he doenst morinically hate on evey other race. For example i am a big fan of asians and alot of indians, he also said the same. Saying and i quote "we could learn alot from asian and native indian culture".
So i think there is a big difference between a white nationlist and a white supremacist. White supremacists are basically blacks with white skin.
I respect opinions of white nationalists. Especially if they are well reasoned like Rubystars'. But normal atheist has often sounded like he made up his mind irrespective of facts or reason, so basically, to me, he sounds sometimes like a bigot. Another thing is that white nationalism is completely foreign and incompatible in Judaism but normal-atheist has suggested things like strengthening our Jewish "race" by interbreeding with other whites and pruning out the blacks.
Rubystar is my perfect white nationlist. Realises that there are alot of self hating white jews, but also alot of self hating white gentiles.
Ive debated with white "supremacists"(not on stromfront i feel ill just looking at that site) but on a very good sport site dedicated to discrimination to whites in sport(whites are just as good at sports as blacks if not better). But unfortunately you can tell that some StørmFrønt members have got onto it. lucikly so are so stupid that even an illiterate mron like me can run circles around them.
There are some white jewish members on there and i got alot of praise through pm, here it is..(i wont disclose his identification)
DONT LET THE JEWISH HATERS SCARE YOU
I have occasionally visited the JTF website site. Chaim Ben Pesach, doesn't just talk the talk ,he walks the walk. You exposed those "white nationalists" as the hypocrites they are. They blame every evil on Jews and have the nerve to called themselves white nationalists. But as you pointed out,they side with terrorists jihadists who would gladly murder every white westerner in the world. There are others who agree, that each white person whatever their religion, should be judged as individuals. I hope you stay because you are a breath of fresh air.
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I don't have much patience for people who support the "pedofront."
does he support StørmFrønt, oh boy i hate them. As mentioned earlier they are the black versions for white people. They make out jews(wheom are white on most cases) are trying to give whites a bad name...hellooooo hitler has given whites a terrible name, as have the KKK and other white supremacists.
I wish these so called 'white nationalists' would just call themselves what they are, Jew-haters.
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1: "White nationalist" is synonymous with white supremacist. It is just a semantic game of taqqiyah that these sodomite pigs like to play with us. Of course, both of these terms are misnomers. WNs support Arabs and any other nonwhites that happen to hate Jews, and hate whites that do not agree with their Nazism. (Of course, most Jews, and all of the Jews who were murdered in the Shoah, were white as well, so they are doubly frauds.)
2: There are all kinds of self-hating Jews in Israel, but let's get real. No real Jew, no matter how twisted and leftist, goes on and on and on about the "White race" or "white nationalism" (or capitalizing white). It just doesn't exist.
3: Insane Atheist could easily be either (a) a well-educated Arab kid from Haifa or Tel Aviv, or (b) an extremely obsessed and demented WN troll from who-knows-where who has a good proxy and a translating program.
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2: There are all kinds of self-hating Jews in Israel, but let's get real. No real Jew, no matter how twisted and leftist, goes on and on and on about the "White race" or "white nationalism" (or capitalizing white). It just doesn't exist.
3: Insane Atheist could easily be either (a) a well-educated Arab kid from Haifa or Tel Aviv, or (b) an extremely obsessed and demented WN troll from who-knows-where who has a good proxy and a translating program.
2. Good point.
3. I figure peace now scum trying to smear the JTF forum with white supremacist posts and trying to hide it by acting like a moron.
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I am still skeptic about him because as of now he is still a provocative racist. He is indeed Israeli judging by his ability to communicate in Hebrew. So far it seems there has been a change to the good with him. Anyway I don't think he qualifies as a troll at all, although I still personally feel it would be a waste of my time to debate with him, other folk seem to get to him much better than I can.
PS what is a WUM ?
wind up merchant.
I think hes like me, hes a white jewish nationlist(well i am christian), but not a supremacist. i believe in the rights for whites, whether jewish or christian, or atheist(not muslim, they can jump off a bridge). But he doenst morinically hate on evey other race. For example i am a big fan of asians and alot of indians, he also said the same. Saying and i quote "we could learn alot from asian and native indian culture".
So i think there is a big difference between a white nationlist and a white supremacist. White supremacists are basically blacks with white skin.
great post.2: There are all kinds of self-hating Jews in Israel, but let's get real. No real Jew, no matter how twisted and leftist, goes on and on and on about the "White race" or "white nationalism" (or capitalizing white). It just doesn't exist.
3: Insane Atheist could easily be either (a) a well-educated Arab kid from Haifa or Tel Aviv, or (b) an extremely obsessed and demented WN troll from who-knows-where who has a good proxy and a translating program.
2. Good point.
3. I figure peace now scum trying to smear the JTF forum with white supremacist posts and trying to hide it by acting like a moron.
remind me how can i be an arab if my last name is mizrahi? if you don't belive me you can ask chaim but agaian what did you contribute to the fourm? i never seen any important post from you.I am still skeptic about him because as of now he is still a provocative racist. He is indeed Israeli judging by his ability to communicate in Hebrew. So far it seems there has been a change to the good with him. Anyway I don't think he qualifies as a troll at all, although I still personally feel it would be a waste of my time to debate with him, other folk seem to get to him much better than I can.
PS what is a WUM ?
wind up merchant.
I think hes like me, hes a white jewish nationlist(well i am christian), but not a supremacist. i believe in the rights for whites, whether jewish or christian, or atheist(not muslim, they can jump off a bridge). But he doenst morinically hate on evey other race. For example i am a big fan of asians and alot of indians, he also said the same. Saying and i quote "we could learn alot from asian and native indian culture".
So i think there is a big difference between a white nationlist and a white supremacist. White supremacists are basically blacks with white skin.
I respect opinions of white nationalists. Especially if they are well reasoned like Rubystars'. But normal atheist has often sounded like he made up his mind irrespective of facts or reason, so basically, to me, he sounds sometimes like a bigot. Another thing is that white nationalism is completely foreign and incompatible in Judaism but normal-atheist has suggested things like strengthening our Jewish "race" by interbreeding with other whites and pruning out the blacks.
Rubystar is my perfect white nationlist. Realises that there are alot of self hating white jews, but also alot of self hating white gentiles.
Ive debated with white "supremacists"(not on stromfront i feel ill just looking at that site) but on a very good sport site dedicated to discrimination to whites in sport(whites are just as good at sports as blacks if not better). But unfortunately you can tell that some StørmFrønt members have got onto it. lucikly so are so stupid that even an illiterate mron like me can run circles around them.
There are some white jewish members on there and i got alot of praise through pm, here it is..(i wont disclose his identification)
DONT LET THE JEWISH HATERS SCARE YOU
I have occasionally visited the JTF website site. Chaim Ben Pesach, doesn't just talk the talk ,he walks the walk. You exposed those "white nationalists" as the hypocrites they are. They blame every evil on Jews and have the nerve to called themselves white nationalists. But as you pointed out,they side with terrorists jihadists who would gladly murder every white westerner in the world. There are others who agree, that each white person whatever their religion, should be judged as individuals. I hope you stay because you are a breath of fresh air.
i agree that rubystars is a great man but he didn't seemed like a white nationalist to me.i alway thought he doesn't beleived races even exists.
thank you guys,normal atheist.
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oh and i almost forgot.the proof that i am not an arab is that that i have direct connection to chaim on the msn.he don't seemed to think that i am an arab.if do you want to know i am living in bat yam israel.the city is a 99.99% jewish (i know of exactly one christian arab/messianic jewish family in the entire city).and about nationalism and stromfront.well i never said i loved StørmFrønt.i hate this site and it's member but i don't know of any other site i could enter when this forum is close in saturday.and yes i know some jews in the site for example conservative jew.i saw there threads that promotes black nationalism and islamism so the connection between this site and wn is nonexistence.and yes there is a difference between white nationalism and white supremacism.white supremacism is the belief that the white race is superior to the other races.white nationalism is the belief that we need to promote white culture through the western world and defend ourselves from our enemies like south african blacks and islam.and yes i am a proud wn and i think that the asians are great people.we have a lot to learn from them and the native americans.but what the blacks ever contributed to human society expect from race and murder? absolutely nothing.and they are murdering our people on a daily basis.
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I think he has being misguided in his thinking and thought this is the way to act.
He knew about Pedofront before coming to JTF and was brainwashed.
I think it's only fair to help him rather than criticize him.
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I think he has being misguided in his thinking and thought this is the way to act.
He knew about Pedofront before coming to JTF and was brainwashed.
I think it's only fair to help him rather than criticize him.
Agree i think he's o.k.
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I think many people on this forum get or appear too race obsessed, not just normal athiest. I think everyone who has been on the forum for awhile understands that it isn't the race which we hate, but a predominant behavior and culture that comes from specific ethnicities. Its the behavior we hate, people!!!!!!
I will not tolerate hate of a decent person just because he or she looks ugly to someone or looks different.
I'm against preserving a race and am for preserving righteous behavior. If we obsess about color or genes, we don't accomplish the spirit of JTF, kahane, and the Torah.
Once and for all, we need to fix what is broken in some people on this forum. We should evil whites, evil blacks, and evil Jews. And love all righteous whitesn righteous blacks, and righteous Jews.
Ben, or NA, is 16 yrs old. His opinions are messed up. If he is who he really is, then there is a possibility he can be unbrainwashed. He is not a lost cause.
As far as the rest of you who are obsessed with preserving a specific race, you are missing a very important point. You can do all the segregation you want, but in the end, you forget or keep evil people of your own race in your midst and never improve as a group. We need to separate evil people from good people and evil behavior from good behavior and evil culture from good culture. And if that means we have 2 black people and a 100 white people or 100 black people and 2 white people on the good side, then we are fighting for human civilization to be saved.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
I think you misunderstood me.
I'm not speaking about "whites" in general. There are of course white people in this forum who do not subscribe to the racist Jew-hating views of the pedofront animals. The people on this forum are good people who want what is best for the US, Israel, and the western world. And most white people in America seem to go in this manner as well.
But the people who subscribe to "white nationalism" - the vast majority of such people - do not consider Jews to be white, they consider Jews as another race entirely, and to "purify the white race" means not just refusing to marry blacks or some other preservative method, it means allying with Jew-haters who want to destroy Israel. Even if there are one or two exceptions on this forum, they are going against the vast majority of the people who believe in that. Thus the movement itself is destructive because that minority voice is not the one deciding policy or steering its direction.
Look in the thread called "Teutonic knight" and then read what he told to blacks on the forum he joined. He told them the goal of white nationalists and pedofront is to install a leader who escapes the "grasp" of zionism and can give control of America "back to the white people" as if Jews have taken it.
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Whites and Jews are not the same race. Jews are of middle eastern origin. The Ashkenazi Jews who ended up in France and Germany in the early middle ages came there by way of Eretz Yisrael and by way of Italy from Eretz Yisrael and Bavel. We were never white.
When Jews start seeing themselves as part of another race, we interbreed with others rather than with Jews and then our people dies out, G-d forbid. The "white nationalists" want to make sure their race does not die out by discouraging interracial marriage. 1. They see a marriage of white with Jew as interracial. and 2. Proud Jews see the need for the Jewish people to also preserve their own race/ethnicity by only marrying other Jews just as G-d has commanded us, and just as the Jewish people has understood is our practice for survival for thousands of years. If you are into racial purity, then a Jew marrying a non-Jew should be viewed as an "interracial" marriage. But our "racial composition" or characteristics is not what is important here, it is our religious imperative to remain true to God's law first and foremost, and it is a logical understanding that contradicting the Jewish law to not intermarry will only cause our people to die out. And there can be no observance of Jewish law or mitzvot without a Jewish people to practice them. So if a gentile converts then no problem. We need to transmit the Jewish tradition to the next generations. If we busy ourselves about 'white race' or 'black race' etc, we cannot do that.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
I think you misunderstood me.
I'm not speaking about "whites" in general. There are of course white people in this forum who do not subscribe to the racist Jew-hating views of the pedofront animals. The people on this forum are good people who want what is best for the US, Israel, and the western world. And most white people in America seem to go in this manner as well.
But the people who subscribe to "white nationalism" - the vast majority of such people - do not consider Jews to be white, they consider Jews as another race entirely, and to "purify the white race" means not just refusing to marry blacks or some other preservative method, it means allying with Jew-haters who want to destroy Israel. Even if there are one or two exceptions on this forum, they are going against the vast majority of the people who believe in that. Thus the movement itself is destructive because that minority voice is not the one deciding policy or steering its direction.
Look in the thread called "Teutonic knight" and then read what he told to blacks on the forum he joined. He told them the goal of white nationalists and pedofront is to install a leader who escapes the "grasp" of zionism and can give control of America "back to the white people" as if Jews have taken it.
i think you are misunderstood what i said.StørmFrønt isn't a white nationalist site but a white supremacist site.there is a big difference between the two.and several people here confessed to be white nationalists and they sure didn't jew haters.almost 80% if not more of the blacks are antisemites and hating israel.do you want them in your country? i am sure you don't.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
I think you misunderstood me.
I'm not speaking about "whites" in general. There are of course white people in this forum who do not subscribe to the racist Jew-hating views of the pedofront animals. The people on this forum are good people who want what is best for the US, Israel, and the western world. And most white people in America seem to go in this manner as well.
But the people who subscribe to "white nationalism" - the vast majority of such people - do not consider Jews to be white, they consider Jews as another race entirely, and to "purify the white race" means not just refusing to marry blacks or some other preservative method, it means allying with Jew-haters who want to destroy Israel. Even if there are one or two exceptions on this forum, they are going against the vast majority of the people who believe in that. Thus the movement itself is destructive because that minority voice is not the one deciding policy or steering its direction.
Look in the thread called "Teutonic knight" and then read what he told to blacks on the forum he joined. He told them the goal of white nationalists and pedofront is to install a leader who escapes the "grasp" of zionism and can give control of America "back to the white people" as if Jews have taken it.
i think you are misunderstood what i said.StørmFrønt isn't a white nationalist site but a white supremacist site.there is a big difference between the two.and several people here confessed to be white nationalists and they sure didn't jew haters.almost 80% if not more of the blacks are antisemites and hating israel.do you want them in your country? i am sure you don't.
One thing has nothing to do with the other. Forget about speaking about blacks right now. I don't have to line up "blacks vs. whites" and then choose one over the other as in which is better which is worse.
White nationalists support our enemies politically.
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I see that most folk here think that white nationalism is a laundered synonym to white/Aryan supremacy. I didn't mean that but I owe Rubystars an apology if that was implied from what I previously wrote.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
I think you misunderstood me.
I'm not speaking about "whites" in general. There are of course white people in this forum who do not subscribe to the racist Jew-hating views of the pedofront animals. The people on this forum are good people who want what is best for the US, Israel, and the western world. And most white people in America seem to go in this manner as well.
But the people who subscribe to "white nationalism" - the vast majority of such people - do not consider Jews to be white, they consider Jews as another race entirely, and to "purify the white race" means not just refusing to marry blacks or some other preservative method, it means allying with Jew-haters who want to destroy Israel. Even if there are one or two exceptions on this forum, they are going against the vast majority of the people who believe in that. Thus the movement itself is destructive because that minority voice is not the one deciding policy or steering its direction.
Look in the thread called "Teutonic knight" and then read what he told to blacks on the forum he joined. He told them the goal of white nationalists and pedofront is to install a leader who escapes the "grasp" of zionism and can give control of America "back to the white people" as if Jews have taken it.
Most jews are white. Chaim consideres himself to be white, as did most jews on here when i did a thread.
in fact some of oldest european decendants are jewish.
Obviously there are non white jews like etheopian jews etc. But as chaim said there is no blood line. There may have been in biblical times, but not now.
The most important thing regardless of race is to follow god.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
I think you misunderstood me.
I'm not speaking about "whites" in general. There are of course white people in this forum who do not subscribe to the racist Jew-hating views of the pedofront animals. The people on this forum are good people who want what is best for the US, Israel, and the western world. And most white people in America seem to go in this manner as well.
But the people who subscribe to "white nationalism" - the vast majority of such people - do not consider Jews to be white, they consider Jews as another race entirely, and to "purify the white race" means not just refusing to marry blacks or some other preservative method, it means allying with Jew-haters who want to destroy Israel. Even if there are one or two exceptions on this forum, they are going against the vast majority of the people who believe in that. Thus the movement itself is destructive because that minority voice is not the one deciding policy or steering its direction.
Look in the thread called "Teutonic knight" and then read what he told to blacks on the forum he joined. He told them the goal of white nationalists and pedofront is to install a leader who escapes the "grasp" of zionism and can give control of America "back to the white people" as if Jews have taken it.
Most jews are white. Chaim consideres himself to be white, as did most jews on here when i did a thread.
in fact some of oldest european decendants are jewish.
Obviously there are non white jews like etheopian jews etc. But as chaim said there is no blood line. There may have been in biblical times, but not now.
The most important thing regardless of race is to follow G-d.
sorry,i didn't understood.what do you mean when you wrote that there are non whites jew but there is no bloodline.if you can be more specific and clear i would very appreciate that beacuse i think you post was great and i just didn't understood this sentence.
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I think many people on this forum get or appear too race obsessed, not just normal athiest. I think everyone who has been on the forum for awhile understands that it isn't the race which we hate, but a predominant behavior and culture that comes from specific ethnicities. Its the behavior we hate, people!!!!!!
I will not tolerate hate of a decent person just because he or she looks ugly to someone or looks different.
I'm against preserving a race and am for preserving righteous behavior. If we obsess about color or genes, we don't accomplish the spirit of JTF, kahane, and the Torah.
Once and for all, we need to fix what is broken in some people on this forum. We should evil whites, evil blacks, and evil Jews. And love all righteous whitesn righteous blacks, and righteous Jews.
Ben, or NA, is 16 yrs old. His opinions are messed up. If he is who he really is, then there is a possibility he can be unbrainwashed. He is not a lost cause.
As far as the rest of you who are obsessed with preserving a specific race, you are missing a very important point. You can do all the segregation you want, but in the end, you forget or keep evil people of your own race in your midst and never improve as a group. We need to separate evil people from good people and evil behavior from good behavior and evil culture from good culture. And if that means we have 2 black people and a 100 white people or 100 black people and 2 white people on the good side, then we are fighting for human civilization to be saved.
This is a great post. I couldn't agree more. Obsession with race is ridiculous. Culture is the great danger, not the colour of your skin. There are white Germanic Muslim converts that are as retarded as Saudi-born Muslims. Which one is better? A white Muslim or a black Muslim? They're both scum, independent of race.
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I think many people on this forum get or appear too race obsessed, not just normal athiest. I think everyone who has been on the forum for awhile understands that it isn't the race which we hate, but a predominant behavior and culture that comes from specific ethnicities. Its the behavior we hate, people!!!!!!
I will not tolerate hate of a decent person just because he or she looks ugly to someone or looks different.
I'm against preserving a race and am for preserving righteous behavior. If we obsess about color or genes, we don't accomplish the spirit of JTF, kahane, and the Torah.
Once and for all, we need to fix what is broken in some people on this forum. We should evil whites, evil blacks, and evil Jews. And love all righteous whitesn righteous blacks, and righteous Jews.
Ben, or NA, is 16 yrs old. His opinions are messed up. If he is who he really is, then there is a possibility he can be unbrainwashed. He is not a lost cause.
As far as the rest of you who are obsessed with preserving a specific race, you are missing a very important point. You can do all the segregation you want, but in the end, you forget or keep evil people of your own race in your midst and never improve as a group. We need to separate evil people from good people and evil behavior from good behavior and evil culture from good culture. And if that means we have 2 black people and a 100 white people or 100 black people and 2 white people on the good side, then we are fighting for human civilization to be saved.
This is a great post. I couldn't agree more. Obsession with race is ridiculous. Culture is the great danger, not the colour of your skin. There are white Germanic Muslim converts that are as retarded as Saudi-born Muslims. Which one is better? A white Muslim or a black Muslim? They're both scum, independent of race.
the question of islam is irellevant beacuse islam is a mmental disease like schizofrania.people of every race can be infected by islam and i think both of the black muslims and white muslims are super retards.but if you notice very carefuly people of sub saharan origin tend to be converted to islam more than any other people even than arabs.
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More blacks go for islam to get back at whitey. The predominant behavior and culture of blacks is to do this very jealous hateful thing. Its not genetic nor racial. Its retarded culture and evil behavior.
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More blacks go for islam to get back at whitey. The predominant behavior and culture of blacks is to do this very jealous hateful thing. Its not genetic nor racial. Its retarded culture and evil behavior.
you see, we can agree on something.byt the way this is the thing we should do to the muslims: :nuke:
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so what is the results? am i good guy or a troll?
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so what is the results? am i good guy or a troll?
I think you're a good guy. We just disagree on some issues, and I hope you'll change your views after more time on the forums.
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so what is the results? am i good guy or a troll?
I think you're a good guy. We just disagree on some issues, and I hope you'll change your views after more time on the forums.
thanx,i will wait for haim to connect to the msn and then i will ast himto tell us his view.
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As far as the rest of you who are obsessed with preserving a specific race, you are missing a very important point. You can do all the segregation you want, but in the end, you forget or keep evil people of your own race in your midst and never improve as a group. We need to separate evil people from good people and evil behavior from good behavior and evil culture from good culture. And if that means we have 2 black people and a 100 white people or 100 black people and 2 white people on the good side, then we are fighting for human civilization to be saved.
Jews are rightly interested in preserving their own people. Other groups should also be interested in preserving their own peoples. It's natural and healthy.
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As far as the rest of you who are obsessed with preserving a specific race, you are missing a very important point. You can do all the segregation you want, but in the end, you forget or keep evil people of your own race in your midst and never improve as a group. We need to separate evil people from good people and evil behavior from good behavior and evil culture from good culture. And if that means we have 2 black people and a 100 white people or 100 black people and 2 white people on the good side, then we are fighting for human civilization to be saved.
Jews are rightly interested in preserving their own people. Other groups should also be interested in preserving their own peoples. It's natural and healthy.
i can't agree more.i respect other races and as i said before'i am a fond of asian culture but interracial marriage would lead to our doom.it doesn't meant we sould hate all the other races in the world beacuse it is very childish and illogical (expect the blacks).we should instead promote white judeo-christian culture through the western world.
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oh and another thing,yes i am proud in my race and i want to preserve the white race and the white judeo christian culture.i don't see any problem with that.most of the people here that said that races don't exists will i want to belive unintentionally lead us to our doom.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to achive that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an allience of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an allience of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an allience of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
Doesn't sound like a cohesive idea...
What is a partial democracy? Either there is democracy or there is not...
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an allience of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
Doesn't sound like a cohesive idea...
What is a partial democracy? Either there is democracy or there is not...
partial democracy it's like the southern united states in the fifties and south african aphartheid regime.it will be a democracy but some of the people wil not have the right to vote like leftists and non whites who would want to stay.i personally don't support democracy at all beacuse it's a failure but i do think we need to at least hear the opinion of the population we serve.
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Ben, I don't think you're a troll, but if you want to do what's righteous and according to Judaism, and I know you do and mean well, you have a looooooong way to go until you get there. I think race preservation is irrelevant in Judaism.
Rubystars, I remember we had our discussion in the past about this. Again, the proper thing for all people of all denominations to do what's right is to preserve righteous culture.
With that being said, jews should marry Jews and the physical features or ethnicity of that Jew is personal preference.
I think people of various religions it should be the same. If two people of the same religion but different races love eachother and their families get along and their cultures are compatible, who cares?!
Ben, take the time to talk to chaim about your opinions of race. You will see that me and him are very similar in this regard.
Don't listen to Skyee.
And rubystats, you know I hear ya.
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as long as normal atheist keeps his support of white nationalism outside of israel and india, i'm fine with it. Also righteous hispanics or latin americans do exists, so i hope normal atheist doesnt wish bad for them. I dont have any issues with normal atheist complaining about blacks.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an allience of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
Doesn't sound like a cohesive idea...
What is a partial democracy? Either there is democracy or there is not...
partial democracy it's like the southern united states in the fifties and south african aphartheid regime.it will be a democracy but some of the people wil not have the right to vote like leftists and non whites who would want to stay.i personally don't support democracy at all beacuse it's a failure but i do think we need to at least hear the opinion of the population we serve.
Sounds like a nightmare to me... When a few people have too much power it causes corruption. This is a proven historical fact. I don't trust a small-knit group of any ethnicity of people.
I guess its all OK if its you who are sitting in the kings seat and dictating to the small people, eh?
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Ben, I don't think you're a troll, but if you want to do what's righteous and according to Judaism, and I know you do and mean well, you have a looooooong way to go until you get there. I think race preservation is irrelevant in Judaism.
Rubystars, I remember we had our discussion in the past about this. Again, the proper thing for all people of all denominations to do what's right is to preserve righteous culture.
With that being said, jews should marry Jews and the physical features or ethnicity of that Jew is personal preference.
I think people of various religions it should be the same. If two people of the same religion but different races love eachother and their families get along and their cultures are compatible, who cares?!
Ben, take the time to talk to chaim about your opinions of race. You will see that me and him are very similar in this regard.
Don't listen to Skyee.
And rubystats, you know I hear ya.
dr.dan'i am not talking about some racist views but about cultural preservation.i want to preserve my culture which is a jewish white culture.don't you want to preserve your culture? do you want to see you culture erased beacuse of the cosmopolitan view of our leaders? i am talking to chaim every day expect of shabat.i am talking to ron ben michael and israeli patriot every day.i have another question this time to all the posters here.what is the matter with skkie? i know that some of the posters are against him but can you please give me a reason? i heard that it his connection to some past remark but this claim was also made against another poster and prove to be false.can you please explain to me what did he said?
thank you,ben m
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As far as the rest of you who are obsessed with preserving a specific race, you are missing a very important point. You can do all the segregation you want, but in the end, you forget or keep evil people of your own race in your midst and never improve as a group. We need to separate evil people from good people and evil behavior from good behavior and evil culture from good culture. And if that means we have 2 black people and a 100 white people or 100 black people and 2 white people on the good side, then we are fighting for human civilization to be saved.
Jews are rightly interested in preserving their own people. Other groups should also be interested in preserving their own peoples. It's natural and healthy.
Ruby is a good lady and she is nationalistic for whites. It is DIFFERENT that White supremacy. TOTALLY.
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Ben, jewish culture isn't black or white or yellow. People of any race can convert. So for jews to preserve judaism, jews have to marry each other. Black or white or convert.
Righteous Gentiles? I think it shouldn't matter as long as culture and religion is compatible.
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as long as normal atheist keeps his support of white nationalism outside of israel and india, i'm fine with it. Also righteous hispanics or latin americans do exists, so i hope normal atheist doesnt wish bad for them. I dont have any issues with normal atheist complaining about blacks.
don't worry i am supporting the establishment of a greater indian state that will be our ally,i also don't understand what is the difference between hispanic and other whites.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an allience of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
Doesn't sound like a cohesive idea...
What is a partial democracy? Either there is democracy or there is not...
partial democracy it's like the southern united states in the fifties and south african aphartheid regime.it will be a democracy but some of the people wil not have the right to vote like leftists and non whites who would want to stay.i personally don't support democracy at all beacuse it's a failure but i do think we need to at least hear the opinion of the population we serve.
Sounds like a nightmare to me... When a few people have too much power it causes corruption. This is a proven historical fact. I don't trust a small-knit group of any ethnicity of people.
I guess its all OK if its you who are sitting in the kings seat and dictating to the small people, eh?
if you think this proposal is a nightmare you need to shake from fear from our current government.we are today living in a partial democracy when we have a democracy only for a small leftist minority and it's allies.
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as long as normal atheist keeps his support of white nationalism outside of israel and india, i'm fine with it. Also righteous hispanics or latin americans do exists, so i hope normal atheist doesnt wish bad for them. I dont have any issues with normal atheist complaining about blacks.
don't worry i am supporting the establishment of a greater indian state that will be our ally,i also don't understand what is the difference between hispanic and other whites.
You dont know what Hispanic is?
(http://www.targetedadgroup.com/eth_marketing_files/hispanic.jpg)
(http://www.shapethefuture.org/features/images/Mariachi.jpg)
Hispanics are from South America and Mexico...
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Ben, jewish culture isn't black or white or yellow. People of any race can convert. So for jews to preserve judaism, jews have to marry each other. Black or white or convert.
Righteous Gentiles? I think it shouldn't matter as long as culture and religion is compatible.
i agree with you but you need to remember that the original jews wre whites.also we saw the example of the etiopian jews negative impact of society.i am seeing it every day.and yes,there is such a thing like a white culture,it is based on greco-roman and judeo christian values and we should preserve it.i don't want a single righteous culture beacuse it is too much monolithic.i prefer to preserve the currently many righthpuse cultures we had.
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as long as normal atheist keeps his support of white nationalism outside of israel and india, i'm fine with it. Also righteous hispanics or latin americans do exists, so i hope normal atheist doesnt wish bad for them. I dont have any issues with normal atheist complaining about blacks.
don't worry i am supporting the establishment of a greater indian state that will be our ally,i also don't understand what is the difference between hispanic and other whites.
You dont know what Hispanic is?
(http://www.targetedadgroup.com/eth_marketing_files/hispanic.jpg)
(http://www.shapethefuture.org/features/images/Mariachi.jpg)
Hispanics are from South America and Mexico...
i know what hispanic is.i just asked what is the difference between them and other whites.they seem prrety whites to me.
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oh'and by the way'you didn't answer me what is the matter with skkie.
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Hispanics from Spain are white but those mixed with South American, Central American, or Mexican Indians are not white.
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Ben m, i dont understand what you say "Jewish White culture" ?
are you not going to support the following people?
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3113/20081113122155.png)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4590/83868640.jpg)
they are jews from north-east india and mumbai.
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Ben m, i dont understand what you say "Jewish White culture" ?
are you not going to support the following people?
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3113/20081113122155.png)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4590/83868640.jpg)
if this people are jews so yes.i am talking about modern day israeli jewish culture which is predominantly white culture that brough to the state with the halutzim.if they want to make aliyah and support thae state they are welcome to do so.but i they should try to help india first as an ambassadors of good will with a monthly sallary form israel.we should also can't afford to repeat the mistake we'd done with the ethiopian jews and tell them about life in israel first so they will not suffer from cultural shock.
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Hispanics from Spain are white but those mixed with South American, Central American, or Mexican Indians are not white.
which is mean they are part white.well this is explain.what the states doing with them? i mean they should deport illegal aliens from the hispanic culture but this is obviusly no the case otherwise they wouldn't complain about the new arizona immigration law so much.
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Ruby is a good lady and she is nationalistic for whites. It is DIFFERENT that White supremacy. TOTALLY.
Thank you AsheDina. You are wonderful :)
I think every race/people/nation has the same basic rights to fight for self-preservation. Of course in the end all are equal before God and we must value God above all other loyalties. However that doesn't mean that we have to forget who we are.
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Ben, can we just not use the term 'white nationalist'?? It just doesnt belong on this forum. whatever it once meant, It has been hijacked by the Jew-haters, and the term completely turns-off many jews and righteous people.
You can be pro-white, or pro-western, or for protecting whites, or pro-Ashkenazi, or whatever, and that's fine, and we have no problems with you. But when you use that term, it WILL offend many people here, because, regardless of what YOU think it means, to many here, it just means Jew-hater.
BTW, I don't think we should treat Jews/Gentiles/etc any different on this subject. If someone continually uses that term on this board, I think they should be banned.
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Ruby is a good lady and she is nationalistic for whites. It is DIFFERENT that White supremacy. TOTALLY.
Thank you AsheDina. You are wonderful :)
I think every race/people/nation has the same basic rights to fight for self-preservation. Of course in the end all are equal before G-d and we must value G-d above all other loyalties. However that doesn't mean that we have to forget who we are.
i agree with you when it comes to whites and asians.but i think that it will better if blacks will abandon their evil culture.
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What's with this obsession, ben?! "The original Jews were white...". Who the hell knows and who the hell cares?! And what if this whole you were thinking they were white and they ended up being Black?! Who cares!? If majority whites rejected Judais$ and suddenly majority blacks were true orthodox Jews, what's the difference?!
Get race out of your brain, its a disease affecting your logic. Skkie follows the same racist logic. Don't listen to him. Listen to chaim, me, ron, muman.
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Ben, can we just not use the term 'white nationalist'?? It just doesnt belong on this forum. whatever it once meant, It has been hijacked by the Jew-haters, and the term completely turns-off many jews and righteous people.
You can be pro-white, or pro-western, or for protecting whites, or pro-Ashkenazi, or whatever, and that's fine, and we have no problems with you. But when you use that term, it WILL offend many people here, because, regardless of what YOU think it means, to many here, it just means Jew-hater.
BTW, I don't think we should treat Jews/Gentiles/etc any different on this subject. If someone continually uses that term on this board, I think they should be banned.
i will be glad to stop using the term whith nationalist but only when you can give an alternative name.i think that many others would will also abandon the term but we needs something to express our ideology.
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What's with this obsession, ben?! "The original Jews were white...". Who the hell knows and who the hell cares?! And what if this whole you were thinking they were white and they ended up being Black?! Who cares!? If majority whites rejected Judais$ and suddenly majority blacks were true orthodox Jews, what's the difference?!
Get race out of your brain, its a disease affecting your logic. Skkie follows the same racist logic. Don't listen to him. Listen to chaim, me, ron, muman.
dr.dan if we will discover that the original jews were blacks we will need to wonder why they abandoned they judaism.but geneticists found that the nagority of modern jew originated from cirmea.also if the magority of blacks suddenly embrace judaism i would have to admiit you were right all along.but don't you agree with me that modern day black culture are evil? by the way,i will ask chaim on frayday after shavuot.maybe i would ask him to post his opinion on the thread.oh and about skkie.you said he follows racist logic.can you please be more specific? beacuse your statement can mean anything.
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Ben, can we just not use the term 'white nationalist'?? It just doesnt belong on this forum. whatever it once meant, It has been hijacked by the Jew-haters, and the term completely turns-off many jews and righteous people.
You can be pro-white, or pro-western, or for protecting whites, or pro-Ashkenazi, or whatever, and that's fine, and we have no problems with you. But when you use that term, it WILL offend many people here, because, regardless of what YOU think it means, to many here, it just means Jew-hater.
BTW, I don't think we should treat Jews/Gentiles/etc any different on this subject. If someone continually uses that term on this board, I think they should be banned.
i will be glad to stop using the term whith nationalist but only when you can give an alternative name.i think that many others would will also abandon the term but we needs something to express our ideology.
OK, thats fair. How about Kahanist? Kahan was not only pro-Israel, and anti-muslim, but he was also anti-black. I've heard Chaim speak of this before. There is nothing wrong with saying you are anti-black here. It would be be better, if you emphasized anti-black culture.
I dont disslike blacks because of their curly hair, or excess of pigment. Just like I have no disslike of southern Indians (Dravidians), and many are far darker than American Blacks. I disslike blacks , because of their culture, because of who they are on the INSIDE, not on the outside.
I'm still weary that you are an agent provacateur. Some leftist from 'peace now' who wants this forum to be identified as a hate site; or someone who wants to drive a wedge between the members here. Thats my only issue.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an alliance of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
You're still giving one entity the ability to enforce itself on all countries. Smaller autonomous states have a better chance I think although I disagree with the idea that pro-diversity people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I am of the belief that they shouldn't be allowed in the country.
My dream is that we would eventually grasp space flight and propel ourselves throughout the galaxy. Our future is beyond this planet.
oh'and by the way'you didn't answer me what is the matter with skkie.
Some of the members dislike me on principle, I don't see any inherent value in culture without race. A black swede is an oxymoron, no matter how he may act he will never be equivalent to an actual swede and ultimately we all know that.
Race has inherent value.
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oh and another thing,yes i am proud in my race and i want to preserve the white race and the white judeo christian culture.i don't see any problem with that.most of the people here that said that races don't exists will i want to belive unintentionally lead us to our doom.
i agree, yes they are some good blacks but lets be honest, most are scum, yes they are horrendous whites, but most are decent(well in a self hating guilt kinda way).
if you dont generalise then you end up sounding like some hollywood director.
Lets face it, the blacks we like, the rest of the black community and left wing media hates. The leftists and blacks hate pastor manning, and alan keys. Of teh referred to as "uncle toms".
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Ben, can we just not use the term 'white nationalist'?? It just doesnt belong on this forum. whatever it once meant, It has been hijacked by the Jew-haters, and the term completely turns-off many jews and righteous people.
You can be pro-white, or pro-western, or for protecting whites, or pro-Ashkenazi, or whatever, and that's fine, and we have no problems with you. But when you use that term, it WILL offend many people here, because, regardless of what YOU think it means, to many here, it just means Jew-hater.
BTW, I don't think we should treat Jews/Gentiles/etc any different on this subject. If someone continually uses that term on this board, I think they should be banned.
i will be glad to stop using the term whith nationalist but only when you can give an alternative name.i think that many others would will also abandon the term but we needs something to express our ideology.
OK, thats fair. How about Kahanist? Kahan was not only pro-Israel, and anti-muslim, but he was also anti-black. I've heard Chaim speak of this before. There is nothing wrong with saying you are anti-black here. It would be be better, if you emphasized anti-black culture.
I dont disslike blacks because of their curly hair, or excess of pigment. Just like I have no disslike of southern Indians (Dravidians), and many are far darker than American Blacks. I disslike blacks , because of their culture, because of who they are on the INSIDE, not on the outside.
I'm still weary that you are an agent provacateur. Some leftist from 'peace now' who wants this forum to be identified as a hate site; or someone who wants to drive a wedge between the members here. Thats my only issue.
okay,this is a fair proposal.i will accept it but i can't talk for other users.by the way if you thin i am from peace now you should try to read my other posts,if you have google translate you should also read my posts as bat yami בת ימי in the hebrew forum.i was so anti muslim there that sometimes people had to calm me down beacuse i hate muslim and i will never forgive to any of them for the crimes of islam.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an alliance of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
You're still giving one entity the ability to enforce itself on all countries. Smaller autonomous states have a better chance I think although I disagree with the idea that pro-diversity people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I am of the belief that they shouldn't be allowed in the country.
My dream is that we would eventually grasp space flight and propel ourselves throughout the galaxy. Our future is beyond this planet.
oh'and by the way'you didn't answer me what is the matter with skkie.
Some of the members dislike me on principle, I don't see any inherent value in culture without race. A black swede is an oxymoron, no matter how he may act he will never be equivalent to an actual swede and ultimately we all know that.
Race has inherent value.
i agree with you,and i am personally oposses the criticism you get beacuse i know what is to be criticised like that.i have dr. brennan fan still keeping lies on me and tell that i am an arab.i do not think however that an alliance will be good beacuse we all saw the failures of nato the european union the oecd and other similar alliances to bring prosperity to the people.and i didn't tell this on this thread but i told it on several other threads this super state will be consisted from a smaller states with an autonomy and a laws that will enforce their culture.the deportation of the pro diversity people are unreal and cruel.we should let them live in the country without the right to vote and educate their children in a special boarding school.and aqbout the space travel issue.i said on other thread that this super state must fund space travel and space reaserch beacuse this is our future and shelter in case the blacks and muslims will conquer our countries.we need to start however in our solar system.we can wait a few centuries so we will have time to eliminate islam and to research space time in order to get a method and circumvate the light speed limitations.
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oh and another thing,yes i am proud in my race and i want to preserve the white race and the white judeo christian culture.i don't see any problem with that.most of the people here that said that races don't exists will i want to belive unintentionally lead us to our doom.
i agree, yes they are some good blacks but lets be honest, most are scum, yes they are horrendous whites, but most are decent(well in a self hating guilt kinda way).
if you dont generalise then you end up sounding like some hollywood director.
Lets face it, the blacks we like, the rest of the black community and left wing media hates. The leftists and blacks hate pastor manning, and alan keys. Of teh referred to as "uncle toms".
thank you for your support.pastor manning is an exaple of a black i would gladly allies with.there are peoples here who didn't care about their own culture which is sad if you will ask me.they don't seem to appreciate our god given culture and this is the source of our moral decency today.i don't hate all blacks but i think they would be better in their homeland which is africa.most of them didn't integrate into the western culture.that why i am support other organisation like the british national party,united kingdom independence party,the english defence league,hirt weelders,vlaams belang and other nationalistic parties around the world beacuse this parties want the best for their people and culture.
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Ben, I despise black culture and I believe it is ok to be distrustful of random blacks. Because the mjority of them hate Jews and are the black version of nazis and are a jealous people it is permissable to be of an opinion that a black person is guilty until proven innocent. And we can agree that not all blacks are evil nor are evil because of their looks.
I will say that to me, people like orthodox jews would be innocent until proven guilty because to me the majority are good people. The same would be with asians and the list goes on.
So ben, I know we agree. I think I know why you fell the way feel and have to broaden the distrust. I think you don't trust or like blacks for the same reason most of us feel. Because an overwelming majority are racist and antisemetic. But not all. There a few who love Israel who love true justice. Its important that we express this because most of society is politically correct and can't grasp the concept of a supreme gene or race. Briann said it correctly and so did rubystars.
Skkie doesn't believe this. He is indiscriminate with behavior and culture. He believes openly "anyone nonwhite, leave".
That means dr brennanfan, me, or anyone else here who isn't white skinned etc all have to leave. And alan keyes and pastor manning have to leave. Its a dumb silly notion. And very racist. There is no place for that here on this forum and is nazi ideology.
And for the record I'm sefardic.
Jews are white or caucasion because of intermarriage and conversion. Abraham and Sarah the first Jews came from babylon area. Probably caucasion, but not light skinned. Probably more arabic looking. Moses's wife was a convert from Midian. My understanding of Midianites was that they were black or negroid race (correct me if I'm wrong).
The point I want to make as difficult it is to you and me, we have to look past the genes. Yes, a certain culture may be predominent with certain race and it might be very evil. Nothing wrong with not trusting that random Cushite. Guilty until proven innocent which means, he has to prove himself righteous.
Oh and another thing: Germans predominantly White. Chaim hates germans because of the shoah. The same rules apply: guilty until proven innocent. And we have a righteous german gentile on our forum who we all love like a brother.
So exceptions exist for all races and peoples. Except muslims
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
you right and i am indeed white nationalist by that definition.i want to genetically prserve the white race by deportation of non whites and by the establishment of a single white state (some called it the western imperium but i don't like this name beacuse he had a nazi conotations.instead i fasvouring to call this state the white empire) that would span the entire european continent asian russia,greater israel and north america and oceania and south africa.
I would like an alliance of sorts between countries but I don't want a single state, this too easily allows policies from one to affect the other and has the chance of creating an EU-like scenario where individual countries could no longer control their borders.
it is depend.if we will erect the riht laws there would be no problem with that.but if we will allow the leftists to control us we will get pretty screwd.that why we need to erect a partial democracy in the super state by banning leftist and pro immigration parties from participating in the election.you seemed like a very intellegent person.please share with us you vision of the white race.maybe we could exchange ideas.
You're still giving one entity the ability to enforce itself on all countries. Smaller autonomous states have a better chance I think although I disagree with the idea that pro-diversity people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I am of the belief that they shouldn't be allowed in the country.
My dream is that we would eventually grasp space flight and propel ourselves throughout the galaxy. Our future is beyond this planet.
oh'and by the way'you didn't answer me what is the matter with skkie.
Some of the members dislike me on principle, I don't see any inherent value in culture without race. A black swede is an oxymoron, no matter how he may act he will never be equivalent to an actual swede and ultimately we all know that.
Race has inherent value.
i agree with you,and i am personally oposses the criticism you get beacuse i know what is to be criticised like that.i have dr. brennan fan still keeping lies on me and tell that i am an arab.i do not think however that an alliance will be good beacuse we all saw the failures of nato the european union the oecd and other similar alliances to bring prosperity to the people.and i didn't tell this on this thread but i told it on several other threads this super state will be consisted from a smaller states with an autonomy and a laws that will enforce their culture.the deportation of the pro diversity people are unreal and cruel.we should let them live in the country without the right to vote and educate their children in a special boarding school.and aqbout the space travel issue.i said on other thread that this super state must fund space travel and space reaserch beacuse this is our future and shelter in case the blacks and muslims will conquer our countries.we need to start however in our solar system.we can wait a few centuries so we will have time to eliminate islam and to research space time in order to get a method and circumvate the light speed limitations.
All I can say is WOW!!! Mmm hmmm...
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Hispanics from Spain are white but those mixed with South American, Central American, or Mexican Indians are not white.
which is mean they are part white.well this is explain.what the states doing with them? i mean they should deport illegal aliens from the hispanic culture but this is obviusly no the case otherwise they wouldn't complain about the new arizona immigration law so much.
There are laws against illegal immigration on the books but the problem is they haven't been enforced. The Arizona law is actually trying to enforce them more strictly and that's what the uproar is all about.
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Ben, I despise black culture and I believe it is ok to be distrustful of random blacks. Because the mjority of them hate Jews and are the black version of nazis and are a jealous people it is permissable to be of an opinion that a black person is guilty until proven innocent. And we can agree that not all blacks are evil nor are evil because of their looks.
I will say that to me, people like orthodox jews would be innocent until proven guilty because to me the majority are good people. The same would be with asians and the list goes on.
So ben, I know we agree. I think I know why you fell the way feel and have to broaden the distrust. I think you don't trust or like blacks for the same reason most of us feel. Because an overwelming majority are racist and antisemetic. But not all. There a few who love Israel who love true justice. Its important that we express this because most of society is politically correct and can't grasp the concept of a supreme gene or race. Briann said it correctly and so did rubystars.
Skkie doesn't believe this. He is indiscriminate with behavior and culture. He believes openly "anyone nonwhite, leave".
That means dr brennanfan, me, or anyone else here who isn't white skinned etc all have to leave. And alan keyes and pastor manning have to leave. Its a dumb silly notion. And very racist. There is no place for that here on this forum and is nazi ideology.
And for the record I'm sefardic.
Jews are white or caucasion because of intermarriage and conversion. Abraham and Sarah the first Jews came from babylon area. Probably caucasion, but not light skinned. Probably more arabic looking. Moses's wife was a convert from Midian. My understanding of Midianites was that they were black or negroid race (correct me if I'm wrong).
The point I want to make as difficult it is to you and me, we have to look past the genes. Yes, a certain culture may be predominent with certain race and it might be very evil. Nothing wrong with not trusting that random Cushite. Guilty until proven innocent which means, he has to prove himself righteous.
Oh and another thing: Germans predominantly White. Chaim hates germans because of the shoah. The same rules apply: guilty until proven innocent. And we have a righteous german gentile on our forum who we all love like a brother.
So exceptions exist for all races and peoples. Except muslims
well,i understand why you despise skkie,but can't you just leave him? it is his freedom of speech.and i don't think he want you to leave.i am a two third mizrahi jew.but i consider myself as white by the broad definition.and yes babylon was a cucasian culture.the medians were persian probably looking like modern day zoroasters iranian.they establishment an empire that spans almost all of modern day iran and at leat a third of turkey.and yes'i despised people beacuse of their culture.i think you misunderstood what i am saying.i want ot prserve my culture.i am loving my culture and i am proud my culture.i agree that there are good blacks and i am sure they would feel better with their own people and their own culture.don't you love your culture? don't you want your culture to survive? this is my point.i want my culture to survive.i want my culture to prosper.i don't know what i would do if my culture will disappear.i have tears in my eyes just from thinking about it.
think about this a little before answering.
thank you,ben m
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Hispanics from Spain are white but those mixed with South American, Central American, or Mexican Indians are not white.
which is mean they are part white.well this is explain.what the states doing with them? i mean they should deport illegal aliens from the hispanic culture but this is obviusly no the case otherwise they wouldn't complain about the new arizona immigration law so much.
There are laws against illegal immigration on the books but the problem is they haven't been enforced. The Arizona law is actually trying to enforce them more strictly and that's what the uproar is all about.
if that's the case.something is very rotten on the white house.
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if that's the case.something is very rotten on the white house.
Obama is extremely evil. I'm not saying that just to be silly. I mean it. He's so evil he opposed the born alive provision where babies that were born alive, in say, an abortion clinic, are considered persons under the law and have to be protected. He would rather allow the clinic workers to let them die or kill them even if they are born alive.
Someone that evil should be behind bars to protect society. However this society is so sick and twisted that it voted him in as leader.
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Well stated, Rubystars!
When it comes to Barack Hussein Obama, I automatically assume that he has evil intentions with any of his decisions or recommendations. On top of that, he surrounds himself with individuals who like BHO endanger the United States, Israel, and Western Civilization as a whole. This foreign born individual shouldn't be considered a legitimate President.
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Well stated, Rubystars!
When it comes to Barack Hussein Obama, I automatically assume that he has evil intentions with any of his decisions or recommendations. On top of that, he surrounds himself with individuals who like BHO endanger the United States, Israel, and Western Civilization as a whole. This foreign born individual shouldn't be considered a legitimate President.
Not only is he an illegimate President, he's also an illegimate child.
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Re: "we are today living in a partial democracy when we have a democracy only for a small leftist minority and it's allies."
This is false.
In actual fact, we are living in a nascent leftist dictatorship because of democracy.
The Founding Fathers did not set up a democracy -- they founded a democratically elected Republic, which is a representative government of Laws, with a Constitution and Bill of Rights which stand as The Supreme Law of the Land.
The representatives were to be democratically elected by the people whom they were to represent.
This is far from a "democracy" -- which is nothing but "Mob Rule", and the Founding Fathers knew democracy for what it was -- catering to the majority opinion, regardless of the law, and regardless of morality.
In a democracy, if the majority of a population decides to outlaw freedom and liberty, they take a vote and it is done.
"Democracy is indispensable to Socialism, and Socialism is indispensable to Communism!" -- V. I. Lenin
Definition of democracy -- Two wolves and a lamb vote - the wolves vote to eat the lamb.
Definition of a republic -- The lamb uses the veto to cancel the votes of the wolves.
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Ben, you have the right idea.
Jews should be with jews and really should be segregated together in Israel (idealistically and according to Torah). Jewish culture is not white nor black nor european nor western nor greco roman nor chinese. We are a people unto ourselves.
My understanding of the olim khadashim in israel are very different from the mizrahi yisraelis. But don't worry, even if the olim have their own type of culture, withina generation or two their children will adapt and become like the predominant mizrahim in Israel. That might include russian olim or even the converts of ethiopian descent.
In the US, its not the case with many Persians and Syrians. And unfortunately if Jews live too long in the US galut, Gd forbid their offspring will assimilate in a bad manner to american westernism. But we shouldn't. We need to be Jews with Jewish values. That has nothing to do with white or black east or west. And so my brother, we should preserve our own Jewish culture, be a light unto other nations so righteous gentiles can follow our lead.
And you know what? Let righteous gentiles choose who they should allow in their countries whether diverse or ethnic or racial. Let's be torah jew kahanists do things the right way for our people who are any race but Jewish. All the others they'll see how well it works and they'll imitate some of the aspects of our ways.
Believe it or not, the forefathers of this country used the light of the Jewish nation and applied it here.
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A great athiest is Geert Wilders
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if that's the case.something is very rotten on the white house.
Obama is extremely evil. I'm not saying that just to be silly. I mean it. He's so evil he opposed the born alive provision where babies that were born alive, in say, an abortion clinic, are considered persons under the law and have to be protected. He would rather allow the clinic workers to let them die or kill them even if they are born alive.
Someone that evil should be behind bars to protect society. However this society is so sick and twisted that it voted him in as leader.
we need to purge american society from human garbage like him.oh and i think i read somewhere that he is actually born in kenya.doesn't that make him an illegal president?
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Re: "we are today living in a partial democracy when we have a democracy only for a small leftist minority and it's allies."
This is false.
In actual fact, we are living in a nascent leftist dictatorship because of democracy.
The Founding Fathers did not set up a democracy -- they founded a democratically elected Republic, which is a representative government of Laws, with a Constitution and Bill of Rights which stand as The Supreme Law of the Land.
The representatives were to be democratically elected by the people whom they were to represent.
This is far from a "democracy" -- which is nothing but "Mob Rule", and the Founding Fathers knew democracy for what it was -- catering to the majority opinion, regardless of the law, and regardless of morality.
In a democracy, if the majority of a population decides to outlaw freedom and liberty, they take a vote and it is done.
"Democracy is indispensable to Socialism, and Socialism is indispensable to Communism!" -- V. I. Lenin
Definition of democracy -- Two wolves and a lamb vote - the wolves vote to eat the lamb.
Definition of a republic -- The lamb uses the veto to cancel the votes of the wolves.
well the form of democracy you just talked about is called direct democracy.it can work only in a country with a small population of citizens (something like 6000 citizens).what the us founders wanted to erect is called representive democracy.the problem is that we don't have even the representive democracy but a flawed democracy for leftists and minorities.
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Ben, you have the right idea.
Jews should be with jews and really should be segregated together in Israel (idealistically and according to Torah). Jewish culture is not white nor black nor european nor western nor greco roman nor chinese. We are a people unto ourselves.
My understanding of the olim khadashim in israel are very different from the mizrahi yisraelis. But don't worry, even if the olim have their own type of culture, withina generation or two their children will adapt and become like the predominant mizrahim in Israel. That might include russian olim or even the converts of ethiopian descent.
In the US, its not the case with many Persians and Syrians. And unfortunately if Jews live too long in the US galut, Gd forbid their offspring will assimilate in a bad manner to american westernism. But we shouldn't. We need to be Jews with Jewish values. That has nothing to do with white or black east or west. And so my brother, we should preserve our own Jewish culture, be a light unto other nations so righteous gentiles can follow our lead.
And you know what? Let righteous gentiles choose who they should allow in their countries whether diverse or ethnic or racial. Let's be torah jew kahanists do things the right way for our people who are any race but Jewish. All the others they'll see how well it works and they'll imitate some of the aspects of our ways.
Believe it or not, the forefathers of this country used the light of the Jewish nation and applied it here.
i agree with you expect to two points:
1) the predominant culture in israel is not a mizrachi one but an ashkenazi one and it is good (don't get me wrong'i don't have anything against certian groups.i am two third mizrachi for the record).i don't want our country to turn into an arab culture state.
2) we don't need segregation from other other nations but not to allow them to marry us.not even converts.
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
May I give you a good example of White Nationalism, as you call it? Okay, here we go: I have a site on deviantart, where I sell my artwork. Once I had some Jewish art also. You WN fellows then bashed me as a "Joo" a "Zionist Pig" and (even being Americans - one of them even with a SPANISH NAME) told me I had to leave Germany nad Europe as a whole because I was undermining it with my "Jooish pig blood".
I am a descent of converted Jews - so "racially" I would be white (and actually I am as white as a Swiss cheese). They would consider me a "Joo" in first place no matter how believing, converted or whatever I was. Being a Jew automatically means losing "white status" for such idiots. Although Jewish is not a race and is not homogenous.
Honestly I think even being white, I could not be white enough to deny that I am Jewish - those who have a problem with it may go to hell or to heaven, doesn't matter, as long as they go.
I would never NEVER NEVER promote WN as something good. If white people think it is good to keep their countries free from mass imigration of lazy, welfare-suckig, fanatic, illiterate and stupid and criminal elements (no matter of which race), I agree and everyone here would agree also. But this is not White Nationalism - this is just common sense! And I am sure that there are many black people who are better for Europe, US or any other country than white Nazis or other decadent douchebags!
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Ben
I guess you know better. But I think mizrahi is going to become a powerful majority in the future.
True Jewish converts are Jews like you and me. The Torah COMMANDS that we love our jewish converts or love thy neighbor. It is ones preference if they don't want to marry a convert, however discouraging it to everyone is a terrible sin and leads to needless hatred which destroys the Jewish people.
Ben, you used to say Jews and gentiles should marry as long as they are white and now you are against jews marrying converts?! A ham sandwich is unkosher on pesach even if it is eaten with matza!!!!
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Ben: Sorry to burst your bubble, but "white nationalists" do not and will not ever consider Jews to be white. No matter how European or even ashkenazi they may look. That is the harsh reality you need to consider.
Their views are objectively wrong in any case, but this should cause you to reconsider some of the things you've said here about 'restoring' and 'maintaining' the "white race."
well you can start with all the whites in the forum and ask for their opinion about jews. i don't know why but i got a feeling that they all have a very positive opinion about jews.and if you look carefully at the site platform you will see that an important part of the platform is to support a white culture and white america.i also want to add that i want the best for the black people and i am sure that they would be happier in africa than in the states.
May I give you a good example of White Nationalism, as you call it? Okay, here we go: I have a site on deviantart, where I sell my artwork. Once I had some Jewish art also. You WN fellows then bashed me as a "Joo" a "Zionist Pig" and (even being Americans - one of them even with a SPANISH NAME) told me I had to leave Germany nad Europe as a whole because I was undermining it with my "Jooish pig blood".
I am a descent of converted Jews - so "racially" I would be white (and actually I am as white as a Swiss cheese). They would consider me a "Joo" in first place no matter how believing, converted or whatever I was. Being a Jew automatically means losing "white status" for such idiots. Although Jewish is not a race and is not homogenous.
Honestly I think even being white, I could not be white enough to deny that I am Jewish - those who have a problem with it may go to hell or to heaven, doesn't matter, as long as they go.
I would never NEVER NEVER promote WN as something good. If white people think it is good to keep their countries free from mass imigration of lazy, welfare-suckig, fanatic, illiterate and stupid and criminal elements (no matter of which race), I agree and everyone here would agree also. But this is not White Nationalism - this is just common sense! And I am sure that there are many black people who are better for Europe, US or any other country than white Nazis or other decadent douchebags!
well you met with white supremacists and not the wn words that briann don't allowed me to write.honestly i don't think there are very much good negroes.they are in generall evil and ignorant and need to be deported back to africa.we have a certain culture and they don't belong here.
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Ben
I guess you know better. But I think mizrahi is going to become a powerful majority in the future.
True Jewish converts are Jews like you and me. The Torah COMMANDS that we love our jewish converts or love thy neighbor. It is ones preference if they don't want to marry a convert, however discouraging it to everyone is a terrible sin and leads to needless hatred which destroys the Jewish people.
Ben, you used to say Jews and gentiles should marry as long as they are white and now you are against jews marrying converts?! A ham sandwich is unkosher on pesach even if it is eaten with matza!!!!
okay,let me clarify my point.i beleive converts don't belong to the jewish people beacuse they don't have jewish genes.it doesn't meant we can't marry with other whites but we don't need to accpet children of converts into the jewish peoplehood.if they will accpet our culture they are welcome but they woud never be a citizen in israel.so every jew that want to marry other whites have to carefully think about this.this is the matter until a white state will rise and then their would be no problems beacuse we all would be considered as whites just whites who belong to a different culture: jewish culture,british culture,canadian culture and so on.
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Ben
I guess you know better. But I think mizrahi is going to become a powerful majority in the future.
True Jewish converts are Jews like you and me. The Torah COMMANDS that we love our jewish converts or love thy neighbor. It is ones preference if they don't want to marry a convert, however discouraging it to everyone is a terrible sin and leads to needless hatred which destroys the Jewish people.
Ben, you used to say Jews and gentiles should marry as long as they are white and now you are against jews marrying converts?! A ham sandwich is unkosher on pesach even if it is eaten with matza!!!!
okay,let me clarify my point.i beleive converts don't belong to the jewish people beacuse they don't have jewish genes.it doesn't meant we can't marry with other whites but we don't need to accpet children of converts into the jewish peoplehood.if they will accpet our culture they are welcome but they woud never be a citizen in israel.so every jew that want to marry other whites have to carefully think about this.this is the matter until a white state will rise and then their would be no problems beacuse we all would be considered as whites just whites who belong to a different culture: jewish culture,british culture,canadian culture and so on.
Judaism is not about genetics. If someone is a convert they are as Jewish as The Rebbe! A convert's racial and ethnic background does not matter, because as long as they genuinely converted they are Jews. As for the children of converts, as long as their mother is Jewish they too are Jewish. After all, David Melech (KING DAVID), zecher tzadik livracha, was the child of a convert named RUTH, zecher tzadik livracha.
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Ben
I guess you know better. But I think mizrahi is going to become a powerful majority in the future.
True Jewish converts are Jews like you and me. The Torah COMMANDS that we love our jewish converts or love thy neighbor. It is ones preference if they don't want to marry a convert, however discouraging it to everyone is a terrible sin and leads to needless hatred which destroys the Jewish people.
Ben, you used to say Jews and gentiles should marry as long as they are white and now you are against jews marrying converts?! A ham sandwich is unkosher on pesach even if it is eaten with matza!!!!
okay,let me clarify my point.i beleive converts don't belong to the jewish people beacuse they don't have jewish genes.it doesn't meant we can't marry with other whites but we don't need to accpet children of converts into the jewish peoplehood.if they will accpet our culture they are welcome but they woud never be a citizen in israel.so every jew that want to marry other whites have to carefully think about this.this is the matter until a white state will rise and then their would be no problems beacuse we all would be considered as whites just whites who belong to a different culture: jewish culture,british culture,canadian culture and so on.
Judaism is not about genetics. If someone is a convert they are as Jewish as The Rebbe! A convert's racial and ethnic background does not matter, because as long as they genuinely converted they are Jews. As for the children of converts, as long as their mother is Jewish they too are Jewish. After all, David Melech (KING DAVID), zecher tzadik livracha, was the child of a convert named RUTH, zecher tzadik livracha.
yes but this doesn't make david a genuine jew.
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Maybe it's just me, but I could swear that there are a few doctrinaire StørmFrønt Nazis here on the forum claiming that they're Jews. >:(
(and, I might add, not doing a very good job of pulling it off!) :::D
I'm just waiting patiently for the 'boom to drop' at any moment now, when all of sudden Nazi graffiti and porno filth will be smeared all over our hacked forum, and then I'll have to read all the whining posts from the member Jews here who couldn't spot a Nazi troll even when corresponding with them. ;D
Perhaps our trolls are so dazzled by their first encounter with intellect that they're in no hurry to complete their mission. :o
At the moment, I feel very sorry for them; trying to imagine just what a stunted, oppressive, and pathological upbringing they've experienced. :'(
But don't worry, it's just a temporary emotion and it will soon pass. >:( >:( >:(
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Maybe it's just me, but I could swear that there are a few doctrinaire StørmFrønt Nazis here on the forum claiming that they're Jews. >:(
(and, I might add, not doing a very good job of pulling it off!) :::D
I'm just waiting patiently for the 'boom to drop' at any moment now, when all of sudden Nazi graffiti and porno filth will be smeared all over our hacked forum, and then I'll have to read all the whining posts from the member Jews here who couldn't spot a Nazi troll even when corresponding with them. ;D
Perhaps our trolls are so dazzled by their first encounter with intellect that they're in no hurry to complete their mission. :o
At the moment, I feel very sorry for them; trying to imagine just what a stunted, oppressive, and pathological upbringing they've experienced. :'(
But don't worry, it's just a temporary emotion and it will soon pass. >:( >:( >:(
what? be more specific please.
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Ben
I guess you know better. But I think mizrahi is going to become a powerful majority in the future.
True Jewish converts are Jews like you and me. The Torah COMMANDS that we love our jewish converts or love thy neighbor. It is ones preference if they don't want to marry a convert, however discouraging it to everyone is a terrible sin and leads to needless hatred which destroys the Jewish people.
Ben, you used to say Jews and gentiles should marry as long as they are white and now you are against jews marrying converts?! A ham sandwich is unkosher on pesach even if it is eaten with matza!!!!
okay,let me clarify my point.i beleive converts don't belong to the jewish people beacuse they don't have jewish genes.it doesn't meant we can't marry with other whites but we don't need to accpet children of converts into the jewish peoplehood.if they will accpet our culture they are welcome but they woud never be a citizen in israel.so every jew that want to marry other whites have to carefully think about this.this is the matter until a white state will rise and then their would be no problems beacuse we all would be considered as whites just whites who belong to a different culture: jewish culture,british culture,canadian culture and so on.
If you are so obsessed with genetics, go and study some. Because there aren't any Jewish genes. In earliest times of Eretz Yisrael there were many converted Canaanites, other ancient people converted through history also. And no one can say for sure if the Hebrews themselves were not a mixture of races also. And this does not matter. If you think it's about genes, then the small minority of Greek Orthodox Albanians are either no Albanians or no Greek Orthodox. A Roman Catholic would have to be at least Italian (who are a mixture of many races also), a Protestant would have to be German and as a German he would have to be from Lutter's region, since Germans themselves are not a single race or ethnicity either. All the Russian Orthodox people in Ukraine are surely pleased to know that they cannot be Russian Orthodox because they are Ukrainians.
And your white State will not raise - never! The white people aren't even able to run a union of countries like the EU properly. Even less something like a white state. And I wonder what is white for you. At least most Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese and Greeks I know are neither very white nor are they in any case "similar" to any of the Northern, Western and East European people. I think you WN is an evil possession rather than a logic thinking.
Your windyfront partners will never acept you, and you should accept that also. They will keep on rejecting you as a "Joo". You either go on and try to convice yourself that there is something supreme to be defended against dark tan or you just accept, that the tan is not as important as the character of a person.
If I had the choice to sit down on a table with a black person or a Nazi, I would surely prefer the black person. Your choice would be different because the Nazi would surely find your racial views very inviting - and afterwards would tell you to hang yourself up for not belonging to his supreme race. And there is no such thing as good WN, there is either white people aware of their culture and tradition or there is white people who judge people by their tan - then they are supremacist Nazi scum.
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Ben
I guess you know better. But I think mizrahi is going to become a powerful majority in the future.
True Jewish converts are Jews like you and me. The Torah COMMANDS that we love our jewish converts or love thy neighbor. It is ones preference if they don't want to marry a convert, however discouraging it to everyone is a terrible sin and leads to needless hatred which destroys the Jewish people.
Ben, you used to say Jews and gentiles should marry as long as they are white and now you are against jews marrying converts?! A ham sandwich is unkosher on pesach even if it is eaten with matza!!!!
okay,let me clarify my point.i beleive converts don't belong to the jewish people beacuse they don't have jewish genes.it doesn't meant we can't marry with other whites but we don't need to accpet children of converts into the jewish peoplehood.if they will accpet our culture they are welcome but they woud never be a citizen in israel.so every jew that want to marry other whites have to carefully think about this.this is the matter until a white state will rise and then their would be no problems beacuse we all would be considered as whites just whites who belong to a different culture: jewish culture,british culture,canadian culture and so on.
Judaism is not about genetics. If someone is a convert they are as Jewish as The Rebbe! A convert's racial and ethnic background does not matter, because as long as they genuinely converted they are Jews. As for the children of converts, as long as their mother is Jewish they too are Jewish. After all, David Melech (KING DAVID), zecher tzadik livracha, was the child of a convert named RUTH, zecher tzadik livracha.
yes but this doesn't make david a genuine jew.
He's more Jewish than you will ever be you racist fool.
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes. A jew is a jew by the way he thinks and acts and not by a half gene or pure gene. You are hardly a Jew because you don't think or act like one and are acting and thinking like a self hating Jew who is a Nazi wannabe
I'm considering the possibility of assuming you are a nazi troll or simply an uneducated "arse" or "arse wanna-be" like many Jews in Bat Yam.
I'm ashamed to hear that blasphemy that you think king david was hardly a jew. Shame on you!!!
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes. A jew is a jew by the way he thinks and acts and not by a half gene or pure gene. You are hardly a Jew because you don't think or act like one and are acting and thinking like a self hating Jew who is a Nazi wannabe
I'm considering the possibility of assuming you are a nazi troll or simply an uneducated "arse" or "arse wanna-be" like many Jews in Bat Yam.
I'm ashamed to hear that blasphemy that you think king david was hardly a jew. Shame on you!!!
okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes. A jew is a jew by the way he thinks and acts and not by a half gene or pure gene. You are hardly a Jew because you don't think or act like one and are acting and thinking like a self hating Jew who is a Nazi wannabe
I'm considering the possibility of assuming you are a nazi troll or simply an uneducated "arse" or "arse wanna-be" like many Jews in Bat Yam.
I'm ashamed to hear that blasphemy that you think king david was hardly a jew. Shame on you!!!
okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
Oh please... King David most obviously existed... If you don't believe he existed then you don't believe that the Holy Temple ever stood {and yet there is ample archeological evidence that the Temple stood}. Also the entire Jewish belief revolves around the belief that the Moshiach will come from King Davids progeny...
You obviously are a lost soul, and a questionable Jew..
http://www.aish.com/jw/j/48961251.html
The world of archeology is rocked by evidence of King David's palace unearthed in Jerusalem.
How Jewish is Jerusalem?
You might think that's a silly question, but in the world of academia, revisionist history and even biblical archaeology, scholars have cast the shadow of doubt over Judaism's intrinsic connection to Jerusalem. The Moslem Waqf, the religious authority that administers the Temple Mount -- the site of Judaism's First and Second Temples -- has been claiming for years that there was never a temple there. But the idea that Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and Jerusalem its holy capital has been under attack from far more reputable sources in recent decades as well.
For a growing number of academics and intellectuals, King David and his united kingdom of Judah and Israel, which has served for 3,000 years as an integral symbol of the Jewish nation, is simply a piece of fiction. The biblical account of history has been dismissed as unreliable by a cadre of scholars, some of whom have an overtly political agenda, arguing that the traditional account was resurrected by the Zionists to justify dispossessing Palestinian Arabs. The most outspoken of these is Keith Whitelam of the Copenhagen School which promotes an agenda of "biblical minimalism," whose best-known work is The Invention of Ancient Israel: The Silencing of Palestinian History.
Finkelstein claims that the myth of King David was the creation of a cult of priests trying to create for themselves a glorious history.
Even in Israel, this new school has found its voice. Israel Finkelstein, chairman of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology, began championing a theory several years ago that the biblical accounts of Jerusalem as the seat of a powerful, unified monarchy under the rule of David and Solomon are essentially false. The scientific methods for his assumptions, called a "lower dating" which essentially pushes archaeological evidence into a later century and thus erases all evidence of a Davidic monarchy, were laughed off by traditional archaeologists. But his book, The Bible Unearthed, wound up on the New York Times' best-seller list and he became the darling of a sympathetic media. He concluded that David and Solomon, if they existed at all, were merely "hill-country chieftains" and Jerusalem a poor, small tribal village. He claims that the myth of King David was the creation of a cult of priests trying to create for themselves a glorious history.
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Biblical References
The City of David is essentially the ancient nucleus of Jerusalem, located just south of the mountain on which the Holy Temples stood. From here the rest of the city as we know it grew and developed over the course of history. According to tradition, the first significant event that occurred there was the meeting between Abraham and Malki-tzedek, King of Shalem. King David, divinely directed, chose this city as the capital of his united kingdom. And the more archaeologists uncover and identify, the easier it is becoming to form a complete picture of the people who lived there -- with the pivotal Jewish history of the First Temple period, described in the Prophets, played out in its structures and installations.
The Bible says that King David brought G-d's Tabernacle to its final home in this original Jerusalem, expanded the city, and made it the spiritual and economic capital of the world at that time. According to Jewish tradition, he fulfilled G-d's master plan for a spiritual monarchy that would endure until the final Redemption.
"The construction that we found was a complicated and intricate engineering operation that must have required immense resources, and the dating matches," says Mazar. "This is the kind of step one would expect of a new ruler who wants to turn the city he conquered into his permanent residence, and who has an exceptional vision of the future development of the city."
According to the Bible, David's palace was constructed by Hiram, King of Tyre, the contemporary Phoenician ruler and his ally against the Philistines. Mazar, an expert in Phoenician construction from her excavations at Achziv on Israel's northern coast, attests that this building bears the mark of Phoenician construction, not likely to be found otherwise in the Judean hills.
In fact, quite a bit about David's palace is known from the Bible itself. It was a "house of cedars" built by Phoenician builders (2-Samuel 5:11 and 1-Chronicles 14:1) who used the cedars of Lebanon and developed a distinct style of stone masonry. Remains of pillars and decorative stone capitals in this particular style were discovered at the site years before, which was one clue Mazar used to look for the palace.
BTW, you know King David wrote the book of Psalms, don't you?
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More about David HaMelech...
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/david_the_king/
King David is one of the most important figures in Jewish history. Born in 907 BCE, he reigns as king of Israel for 40 years, dying at age 70 in 837 BCE.
There is so much that can be said about him. Some people like to focus on the warrior aspect—the chivalrous warrior fighting for God—but when his persona and accomplishments are considered as a whole, it is his spiritual greatness that shines most of all.
David’s first and foremost drive is to have a relationship with God. We get the glimpse of the beauty of his soul when we read the Psalms, most of which he wrote. Who doesn’t know:
The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want ... (Psalm 23)
The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom should I fear ... (Psalm 27)
I lift my eyes to the mountains—from where will my help come? My help comes from the Lord, Maker of heaven and earth ... (Psalm 121)
Even when we consider his military conquest, we see that the driving force behind them was his attachment to God. The hereditary bloodline of King David will become the only legitimate royal bloodline in Jewish history. From David will come all the future kings of Judah and ultimately, at the end of history, the Messiah. This idea of a God-ordained monarchy will be copied by many other nations throughout history and will serve as the basis for the concept of “the divine right of kings” in Medieval and Renaissance Europe.(1)
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WHAT?!?!?!? You are less likely to be a genuine Jew than King David's existence.
Of course he existed and of course you are still an athiest..If you want to learn Judaism, you have to let go of your past beliefs 100%...you are a backward thinking person.
Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes. A jew is a jew by the way he thinks and acts and not by a half gene or pure gene. You are hardly a Jew because you don't think or act like one and are acting and thinking like a self hating Jew who is a Nazi wannabe
I'm considering the possibility of assuming you are a nazi troll or simply an uneducated "arse" or "arse wanna-be" like many Jews in Bat Yam.
I'm ashamed to hear that blasphemy that you think king david was hardly a jew. Shame on you!!!
okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
I'd like to believe that you don't exist. But unfortunately you're real and you're really nuts.
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okay,the point isn't if king david existed or not but that he is very problematic as a cultural hero.he was a murderer and a rapist.this is the kind of person you want as your hero? why not to take for example yehuda the maccabee? he was a true hero! he gave us 110 years of independence.and why not to take saul? he created the first hebrew kingdom.or abraham.he was the first monotheistic.so please.don't bubble me about some great murderer.
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
:)
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
:)
i will go study torah,what i said about david is that he was a murderer and rapist.this is not the stuff of a national hero.
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
:)
i will go study torah,what i said about david is that he was a murderer and rapist.this is not the stuff of a national hero.
I disagree with you on both accusations.
I think if you read these two articles you may understand things better. It should take you less than 30 minutes to do so.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463977/jewish/Davids-Trials.htm
http://shearim.blogspot.com/2009/05/king-david-batsheva-uriah.html
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
:)
i will go study torah,what i said about david is that he was a murderer and rapist.this is not the stuff of a national hero.
I disagree with you on both accusations.
I think if you read these two articles you may understand things better. It should take you less than 30 minutes to do so.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463977/jewish/Davids-Trials.htm
http://shearim.blogspot.com/2009/05/king-david-batsheva-uriah.html
the author of the article in the second site have some serious problems with logic. incarnations? pleasethis is even against judaism.it is also against science.and the fact that he regret his did doesn't make him more siantyou know.it like if stalin will regret the gulags and the purifications he didi it will not erase his sins.
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
:)
i will go study torah,what i said about david is that he was a murderer and rapist.this is not the stuff of a national hero.
I disagree with you on both accusations.
I think if you read these two articles you may understand things better. It should take you less than 30 minutes to do so.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463977/jewish/Davids-Trials.htm
http://shearim.blogspot.com/2009/05/king-david-batsheva-uriah.html
the author of the article in the second site have some serious problems with logic. incarnations? pleasethis is even against judaism.it is also against science.and the fact that he regret his did doesn't make him more siantyou know.it like if stalin will regret the gulags and the purifications he didi it will not erase his sins.
Rabbi Yitzchak Luria, Rashi, and Rabbi Nachman of Breslov are three of the most respected Rabbis who have ever lived. They espouse no beliefs against Judaism. Comparing King David's sin vs. the sins of Stalin is so grossly mismatched I have no idea where to begin with you, aside from suggesting you go to a Yeshiva with your questions [and also ask them who Rabbi Luria, Rabbi Nachman, and Rashi are].
:)
EDIT: Why not ask Chaim in the Ask JTF program about your questions with David, and these Rabbis? You may also be served well to ask Muman613 your questions as well, he also knows far more about Rabbi Nachman than I do [I believe Muman comes from a Breslov background].
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
:)
i will go study torah,what i said about david is that he was a murderer and rapist.this is not the stuff of a national hero.
I disagree with you on both accusations.
I think if you read these two articles you may understand things better. It should take you less than 30 minutes to do so.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463977/jewish/Davids-Trials.htm
http://shearim.blogspot.com/2009/05/king-david-batsheva-uriah.html
the author of the article in the second site have some serious problems with logic. incarnations? pleasethis is even against judaism.it is also against science.and the fact that he regret his did doesn't make him more siantyou know.it like if stalin will regret the gulags and the purifications he didi it will not erase his sins.
Okay. I got it now. You aren't 16, you are 36. You studied "historic and religious revisionism and fact negation" at Al-Azhar University and got hired by Neturei-Karta University of Denial and Apologism. :laugh:
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king david is a legend, he existed 100 percent.
In fact every historical artefact that they dig up ALWAYS proves the bible, the bible has never been proved wrong from a archaeology perpective.
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okay let's clarify one point: i personally don't belive that king david ever exist.there is lack of evidence on the toppic but i think we should better adopt some other great cultural heroes al abraham,noah,saul,yehuda the macabee and so on that gave a lot of proud to our people.
You do know that Noah was never a Jew, right?
Did you know the great Rabbi Kahane [of blessed memory] said that anyone who converts to Judaism is, "Just as Jewish as Kahane".
Did you know, according to the Talmud, the souls of all converts were actually present at Mount Sinai when the torah was given (Talmud - Shavuot 39a)?
You do know there are mitzvoth to treat converts well, don't you?
According to Maimonides,
It is a mitzvah "To love converts", based upon, Deut. 10:19.
It is a mitzvah "Not to insult or harm a convert with words", based upon, Ex. 22:20.
Do you hate the mitzvoth?
Last week you were an atheist, no? I think it is great you want to become involved with Judaism. Go study Torah.
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i will go study torah,what i said about david is that he was a murderer and rapist.this is not the stuff of a national hero.
I disagree with you on both accusations.
I think if you read these two articles you may understand things better. It should take you less than 30 minutes to do so.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463977/jewish/Davids-Trials.htm
http://shearim.blogspot.com/2009/05/king-david-batsheva-uriah.html
the author of the article in the second site have some serious problems with logic. incarnations? pleasethis is even against judaism.it is also against science.and the fact that he regret his did doesn't make him more siantyou know.it like if stalin will regret the gulags and the purifications he didi it will not erase his sins.
Rabbi Yitzchak Luria, Rashi, and Rabbi Nachman of Breslov are three of the most respected Rabbis who have ever lived. They espouse no beliefs against Judaism. Comparing King David's sin vs. the sins of Stalin is so grossly mismatched I have no idea where to begin with you, aside from suggesting you go to a Yeshiva with your questions [and also ask them who Rabbi Luria, Rabbi Nachman, and Rashi are].
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EDIT: Why not ask Chaim in the Ask JTF program about your questions with David, and these Rabbis? You may also be served well to ask Muman613 your questions as well, he also knows far more about Rabbi Nachman than I do [I believe Muman comes from a Breslov background].
okay i will ask chaim
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king david is a legend, he existed 100 percent.
In fact every historical artefact that they dig up ALWAYS proves the bible, the bible has never been proved wrong from a archaeology perpective.
post me some links,please.
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king david is a legend, he existed 100 percent.
In fact every historical artefact that they dig up ALWAYS proves the bible, the bible has never been proved wrong from a archaeology perpective.
post me some links,please.
of what mate...
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if you are referring to torah, whats these vids. skip past the new testament stuff as i do not wnat you to see those. But the torah stuff shows that the bible is always riight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e20Cq5yob4
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Referring to Rabbi Luria's metaphorical, metaphysical allusion to King David, Bathsheba, and Uriah the Hittite, as all being the reincarnations of, respectively, Adam, Eve, and the Serpent, the author of this article on the Shearim website writes:
"This kind of conclusion may sound rather off but there is also no proof for any opposing statement."
I must take serious issue with this first of the author's extrapolations put forth in this article, and my response follows:
THERE IS ALSO NO PROOF FOR ANY PROPOSING STATEMENT!
Furthermore, it is not possible to "prove" a negative, so of course there never could be "proof" of a statement opposing a metaphysical extrapolation, which in and of itself, is an article of faith and can not be "proven".
People whose thinking follows that of this author are dangerously imbalanced individuals.
Regardless of which religion or sect a person is raised up within, each and every one of them attracts people who share this mindset.
Borderline psychotics, simple schizoid personalities, and other semi-functional individuals are instinctively attracted to religious doctrines and cults which provide for them a convenient 'cover', for both their bizarre ideation as well as for their anti-social, dysfunctional, and reclusive personalities.
I am not writing this as an attack on Rabbi Luria or other Kabalists who spent their lives in search for the deepest possible meanings hidden within Torah.
But neither do I embrace every single word and Talmudic argument offered by a Rabbi as "infallible" on the basis of "if they're an esteemed Rabbi, or a student of an esteemed Rabbi, then I must accept their word as equal to or superceding that of G-d Himself".
I certainly don't believe, nor do I accept the proposition, that Rabbi Yitzhak Luria's studies in Torah were done for the purposes of my being forced to accept them or face condemnation.
It is most unfortunate that 'cults of personality' have long pervaded the Jewish religious world, which at their most extreme often resemble a Hindu Ashram inhabited by an infallible Guru - himself a disciple of a long-dead mystic Yogi reputed to have supernatural abilities, whose metaphysical doctrines and every utterance are accepted by followers as "the very word of G-d".
The classic hallmark of a cult of personality are the omnipresent framed portraits of the succession of leadership, usually with airbrushed halos surrounding their heads, hung on a wall in every room.
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if you are referring to torah, whats these vids. skip past the new testament stuff as i do not wnat you to see those. But the torah stuff shows that the bible is always riight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e20Cq5yob4
okay i will watch,but i meant scientific link and links to research.
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if you are referring to torah, whats these vids. skip past the new testament stuff as i do not wnat you to see those. But the torah stuff shows that the bible is always riight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e20Cq5yob4
okay i will watch,but i meant scientific link and links to research.
You start being annoying. >:(
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if you are referring to torah, whats these vids. skip past the new testament stuff as i do not wnat you to see those. But the torah stuff shows that the bible is always riight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e20Cq5yob4
okay i will watch,but i meant scientific link and links to research.
You start being annoying. >:(
how exactly? i asked for a proof that's all.
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if you are referring to torah, whats these vids. skip past the new testament stuff as i do not wnat you to see those. But the torah stuff shows that the bible is always riight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e20Cq5yob4
okay i will watch,but i meant scientific link and links to research.
You start being annoying. >:(
how exactly? i asked for a proof that's all.
Because no one here needs to prove you anything. Did you come here for confusion, denial and propagating your atheist white supremacist views, or to contribute something constructive? Until now I only see you clashing with half the people here, writing exactly what no one here wants to read. (http://bestsmileys.com/signs1/22.gif) You should better look for another place for your weird accusations, denials and views. (http://bestsmileys.com/goodbye/5.gif)
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes.
uh no, thats definitely not the case.
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if you are referring to torah, whats these vids. skip past the new testament stuff as i do not wnat you to see those. But the torah stuff shows that the bible is always riight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e20Cq5yob4
okay i will watch,but i meant scientific link and links to research.
You start being annoying. >:(
how exactly? i asked for a proof that's all.
Because no one here needs to prove you anything. Did you come here for confusion, denial and propagating your atheist white supremacist views, or to contribute something constructive? Until now I only see you clashing with half the people here, writing exactly what no one here wants to read. (http://bestsmileys.com/signs1/22.gif) You should better look for another place for your weird accusations, denials and views. (http://bestsmileys.com/goodbye/5.gif)
so why you are replying to this? besides i hope that you will look at the first post here i think it is in paragraph too there is a beautiful sentence there about not acting like zombies.
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes.
uh no, thats definitely not the case.
agree!
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oh and hyades do you know what i am thinking about this? that you are a coward.and yes you are (not only you specifically) doing this to other members as well.and i don't think you (specifically you) needs to tells me where i belong.if i will want your opinion i will ask for it.
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to achive that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
Right Skkie. I have come across more White Nationlists than any other people on my own website. There are Jews that are White Nationalists. People seem to think that white nationalists are Nazis, and they aren't. Very different. Like TO THE MAX different.
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
What BS.... He did not Rape anyone and he did not kill anyone... These are lies which are leveled by people who don't know the facts... Do not listen to the neo-nazis you seem to fetishize.
I have posted on the Jewish understanding of the story of BathSheba... If you like I will repost it..
PS: The Maccabeas also had their dark side... So did Abraham and so did Shlomo.... Jewish heros are never perfect..
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/48936837.html
DAVID AND BATHSHEBA
The story of David's relationship with Bathsheba (II Samuel Chap. 11) is one of the most misread stories in the Bible, and we have to be careful in reading it as if it were some kind of soap opera. In summary, however, this is what happens.
Restless one night, David is pacing the roof of his palace from where he has a view of the homes and gardens in the city below(3). And there he spies a beautiful woman bathing. She is the wife of one of his generals, Uriah, the Hittite, who is away at war.
David sends for Bathsheba and spends the night with her. When she becomes pregnant, he commands that Uriah be placed on the front lines, where he dies in battle. David then marries Bathsheba.
At this point, the prophet Nathan is sent by God to reprove David. (See 2 Samuel 12.) He says that he has come to inform the king of a great injustice in the land. A rich man with many sheep, stole the one beloved sheep of a poor man, and had it slaughtered for a feast.
Furious at what he hears, King David, declares, "As God lives, the one who has done this deserves death."
Responds the prophet, "You are that man!"
David is humbled. "I have sinned before God," he says.
This is an enormously complex story and there is much more here than meets the eye. Technically, Bathsheba was not a married woman since David's troops always gave their wives conditional divorces, lest a soldier be missing in action leaving his wife unable to remarry.(4) However, the Bible states clearly that David acted improperly, and the Sages explain that while David did not commit adultery in the literal sense, he violated the spirit of the law(5).
As noted in earlier installments, the Bible takes a hyper-critical position of Jewish leaders. It never whitewashes anyone's past, and in that it stands alone among the records of ancient peoples which usually describe kings as descendants of gods without faults.
David's greatness shines in both his ability to take responsibility for his actions and the humility of his admission and the repentance that follows. This is part of the reason that the ultimate redeemer of the Jewish people and the world will descend from David's line -- he will be "Messiah son of David."
Shortly thereafter, Bathsheba gives birth, but the child becomes deathly ill as the prophet Nathan had predicted. David goes into a period of prayer and fasting, but the child dies nevertheless. David realizes that the death of the baby and later the revolt of his beloved son, Absalom (II Samuel 15-19), were divine punishment and also served as atonement for his actions. David "pays his dues," repents for many years and is ultimately forgiven by God.
Before long Bathsheba is pregnant again. And this time, she bears a healthy child -- who is named Solomon, and who will be the golden child, gifted with unusual wisdom.
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
What BS.... He did not Rape anyone and he did not kill anyone... These are lies which are leveled by people who don't know the facts... Do not listen to the neo-nazis you seem to fetishize.
I have posted on the Jewish understanding of the story of BathSheba... If you like I will repost it..
PS: The Maccabeas also had their dark side... So did Abraham and so did Shlomo.... Jewish heros are never perfect..
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/48936837.html
DAVID AND BATHSHEBA
The story of David's relationship with Bathsheba (II Samuel Chap. 11) is one of the most misread stories in the Bible, and we have to be careful in reading it as if it were some kind of soap opera. In summary, however, this is what happens.
Restless one night, David is pacing the roof of his palace from where he has a view of the homes and gardens in the city below(3). And there he spies a beautiful woman bathing. She is the wife of one of his generals, Uriah, the Hittite, who is away at war.
David sends for Bathsheba and spends the night with her. When she becomes pregnant, he commands that Uriah be placed on the front lines, where he dies in battle. David then marries Bathsheba.
At this point, the prophet Nathan is sent by G-d to reprove David. (See 2 Samuel 12.) He says that he has come to inform the king of a great injustice in the land. A rich man with many sheep, stole the one beloved sheep of a poor man, and had it slaughtered for a feast.
Furious at what he hears, King David, declares, "As G-d lives, the one who has done this deserves death."
Responds the prophet, "You are that man!"
David is humbled. "I have sinned before G-d," he says.
This is an enormously complex story and there is much more here than meets the eye. Technically, Bathsheba was not a married woman since David's troops always gave their wives conditional divorces, lest a soldier be missing in action leaving his wife unable to remarry.(4) However, the Bible states clearly that David acted improperly, and the Sages explain that while David did not commit adultery in the literal sense, he violated the spirit of the law(5).
As noted in earlier installments, the Bible takes a hyper-critical position of Jewish leaders. It never whitewashes anyone's past, and in that it stands alone among the records of ancient peoples which usually describe kings as descendants of gods without faults.
David's greatness shines in both his ability to take responsibility for his actions and the humility of his admission and the repentance that follows. This is part of the reason that the ultimate redeemer of the Jewish people and the world will descend from David's line -- he will be "Messiah son of David."
Shortly thereafter, Bathsheba gives birth, but the child becomes deathly ill as the prophet Nathan had predicted. David goes into a period of prayer and fasting, but the child dies nevertheless. David realizes that the death of the baby and later the revolt of his beloved son, Absalom (II Samuel 15-19), were divine punishment and also served as atonement for his actions. David "pays his dues," repents for many years and is ultimately forgiven by G-d.
Before long Bathsheba is pregnant again. And this time, she bears a healthy child -- who is named Solomon, and who will be the golden child, gifted with unusual wisdom.
okay,i have three questions about this:
1) if batsheba wasn't technically speaking in marriage with uriah so why david needed to kill uriah?
2) what they meant by saying that david broke the spirit of the law.either he break the law or didn't.there is no middle zone.
3) why did david looked at a naked girl in a bath atthe firdt place? i think it is forbidden acording to the torah.
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Of course there are answers to your questions. I don't have the time to go very much into it... But I am sure that eventually your questions will be answered. King David is a figure which gives the Jewish people much hope. The entire Messianic vision revolves around his offspring...
It is possible to not break the law and yet break the spirit of the law... Jewish legends are full of cases like this.. For instance I found this little bit about Queen Esther... You know according to the Purim story that she had to marry the evil King Achashveros... This alone is forbidden by Jewish law... But she did not violate the letter of the law, possibly only the spirit of the law... This little excerpt from Chabad.org illustrates this:
So from the beginning of Esther’s involvement with the king, it is clear that he was attracted to a depth within her, and it is through this that she is ultimately able to maneuver what needs to be done to save her people. While Esther is in the kingdom, however, she is not allowed to reveal to anyone that she is Jewish. Under Jewish law, if one’s life is in danger, there are allowances for being able to break Jewish law. Yet Esther ensured that she keep not only the spirit of the law in her circumstances, but the letter of the law as well. She managed to create a schedule so that she would always have different help maids on Shabbat, so that no one would become aware that during this time period she was doing anything different. Through her desire to maintain her Jewishness, she discovered a way to do what she needed to do. In this she beautifully fulfills the Torah principle that “nothing can stand in the way of will,” (Zohar II: 162b).
This discusses the topic in a bit more depth:
http://www.ou.org/index.php/ou/print_this/11819/
Following the Letter of the Law
Rachel Ben David
At some point in our learning of the various halachot (Jewish laws) my brother and I, both newly observant, realized that the upcoming holiday of Pesach (Passover) might be problematic. The laws of kashrut (what foods are permissible to eat) are very strict when it comes to Pesach, and we both knew that what we thought was acceptable to eat in past years in my parent's house was not going to be acceptable for us anymore. We also knew that refusing to go home for the Pesach seder was not an option - it would hurt my parents too much.
The issue of honoring your father and mother is very complex, and is an extremely sensitive issue among Baalei Teshuva (those who aren't born in religious homes but become observant later on). My brother and I became observant through NCSY (an Orthodox youth group involved in outreach), and we had some excellent Rabbis and counselors give us advice. They told us that except in cases where your parents ask you to do something which explicitly demands you break Jewish law, then you should listen to them. (Like most issues of this sort, it is important to ask a Rabbi if you have a specific case in mind and need an answer. I am just giving the outline here).
This complex situation touches on an issue that unfortunately is misconstrued by many who are not intimately familiar with observant Judaism. Most people know that there are myriad laws governing the "ritual" aspects (laws between man and G-d) of Orthodox Judaism - what you can and cannot eat, what you can and cannot do on the Sabbath, how you dress, how you pray, etc. At the same time there are just as many laws concerning the "ethical" aspects - how one treats other people (laws between man and man). The second type of laws is just as binding on Orthodox Jews as the first. There is no concept of the "letter" of the law referring to the first type, and the "spirit" of the law referring to the second.
Regarding the prohibition of Carrying on Shabbat:
http://www.ou.org/chagim/shabbat/thirtynine.htm
Carrying in a private home is permitted on the Sabbath. It is only in a public domain that it is forbidden.
The spirit of the law, however, forbids the carrying or handling of unnecessary objects, even indoors. The Sanhedrin therefore legislated the categories of Muktza, things which may not be handled on the Sabbath. These include such useless things as pebbles and stones. They also include things which may not be used on the Sabbath, such as pencils, candles and money. (Note 6)
The spirit of the law also forbids the transfer of ownership, even inside a building. The Sanhedrin legislated a prohibition against all forms of buying, selling, trading and other commerce for a variety of reasons. The Sabbath must be a day when all business stops. (Note 7)
It is interesting to note that the prohibition against commerce is one of the few types of legislation actually recorded in the Bible. Thus, we find (Nechemiah 10:32), "If the (non-Jewish) natives of the land bring any goods or food to sell on the Sabbath day, we will buy nothing from them on the Sabbath or on any holy day." (Note 8)
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Of course there are answers to your questions. I don't have the time to go very much into it... But I am sure that eventually your questions will be answered. King David is a figure which gives the Jewish people much hope. The entire Messianic vision revolves around his offspring...
It is possible to not break the law and yet break the spirit of the law... Jewish legends are full of cases like this.. For instance I found this little bit about Queen Esther... You know according to the Purim story that she had to marry the evil King Achashveros... This alone is forbidden by Jewish law... But she did not violate the letter of the law, possibly only the spirit of the law... This little excerpt from Chabad.org illustrates this:
So from the beginning of Esther’s involvement with the king, it is clear that he was attracted to a depth within her, and it is through this that she is ultimately able to maneuver what needs to be done to save her people. While Esther is in the kingdom, however, she is not allowed to reveal to anyone that she is Jewish. Under Jewish law, if one’s life is in danger, there are allowances for being able to break Jewish law. Yet Esther ensured that she keep not only the spirit of the law in her circumstances, but the letter of the law as well. She managed to create a schedule so that she would always have different help maids on Shabbat, so that no one would become aware that during this time period she was doing anything different. Through her desire to maintain her Jewishness, she discovered a way to do what she needed to do. In this she beautifully fulfills the Torah principle that “nothing can stand in the way of will,” (Zohar II: 162b).
This discusses the topic in a bit more depth:
http://www.ou.org/index.php/ou/print_this/11819/
Following the Letter of the Law
Rachel Ben David
At some point in our learning of the various halachot (Jewish laws) my brother and I, both newly observant, realized that the upcoming holiday of Pesach (Passover) might be problematic. The laws of kashrut (what foods are permissible to eat) are very strict when it comes to Pesach, and we both knew that what we thought was acceptable to eat in past years in my parent's house was not going to be acceptable for us anymore. We also knew that refusing to go home for the Pesach seder was not an option - it would hurt my parents too much.
The issue of honoring your father and mother is very complex, and is an extremely sensitive issue among Baalei Teshuva (those who aren't born in religious homes but become observant later on). My brother and I became observant through NCSY (an Orthodox youth group involved in outreach), and we had some excellent Rabbis and counselors give us advice. They told us that except in cases where your parents ask you to do something which explicitly demands you break Jewish law, then you should listen to them. (Like most issues of this sort, it is important to ask a Rabbi if you have a specific case in mind and need an answer. I am just giving the outline here).
This complex situation touches on an issue that unfortunately is misconstrued by many who are not intimately familiar with observant Judaism. Most people know that there are myriad laws governing the "ritual" aspects (laws between man and G-d) of Orthodox Judaism - what you can and cannot eat, what you can and cannot do on the Sabbath, how you dress, how you pray, etc. At the same time there are just as many laws concerning the "ethical" aspects - how one treats other people (laws between man and man). The second type of laws is just as binding on Orthodox Jews as the first. There is no concept of the "letter" of the law referring to the first type, and the "spirit" of the law referring to the second.
Regarding the prohibition of Carrying on Shabbat:
http://www.ou.org/chagim/shabbat/thirtynine.htm
Carrying in a private home is permitted on the Sabbath. It is only in a public domain that it is forbidden.
The spirit of the law, however, forbids the carrying or handling of unnecessary objects, even indoors. The Sanhedrin therefore legislated the categories of Muktza, things which may not be handled on the Sabbath. These include such useless things as pebbles and stones. They also include things which may not be used on the Sabbath, such as pencils, candles and money. (Note 6)
The spirit of the law also forbids the transfer of ownership, even inside a building. The Sanhedrin legislated a prohibition against all forms of buying, selling, trading and other commerce for a variety of reasons. The Sabbath must be a day when all business stops. (Note 7)
It is interesting to note that the prohibition against commerce is one of the few types of legislation actually recorded in the Bible. Thus, we find (Nechemiah 10:32), "If the (non-Jewish) natives of the land bring any goods or food to sell on the Sabbath day, we will buy nothing from them on the Sabbath or on any holy day." (Note 8)
okay you catched me,i have nothing to say to contradict this. but i have only one issue.if they have this ''spirit of the law'' then why they didn't just extend the lawto include this cases?
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I'm sorry but as this thread has drifted off topic I will say a couple of things.
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to achive that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
2. There is nothing inherent to White Nationalism that dictates White Nationalists must believe in anything else besides the above.
Right Skkie. I have come across more White Nationlists than any other people on my own website. There are Jews that are White Nationalists. People seem to think that white nationalists are Nazis, and they aren't. Very different. Like TO THE MAX different.
Here's one of the Jewish ones! :)
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I came to realize that "white nationalist" has been rendered a completely unusable term for any decent use. Sort of like "liberal", but worse.
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I came to realize that "white nationalist" has been rendered a completely unusable term for any decent use. Sort of like "liberal", but worse.
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why? there is a big difference between white nationalism and white supremacism. the only place where this term are synonymous is StørmFrønt.
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@Ben m, what was you previous name?
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I came to realize that "white nationalist" has been rendered a completely unusable term for any decent use. Sort of like "liberal", but worse.
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why? there is a big difference between white nationalism and white supremacism. the only place where this term are synonymous is StørmFrønt.
Since
1. Pedfronters and other Aryan Nazis call themselves white nationalists.
2. Most people who are decent refuse to call themselves white nationalist for fear of being associated with 1.
3. Many if not most people can't distinguish between the two terms.
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@Ben m, what was you previous name?
normal atheist.
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I came to realize that "white nationalist" has been rendered a completely unusable term for any decent use. Sort of like "liberal", but worse.
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why? there is a big difference between white nationalism and white supremacism. the only place where this term are synonymous is StørmFrønt.
Since
1. Pedfronters and other Aryan Nazis call themselves white nationalists.
2. Most people who are decent refuse to call themselves white nationalist for fear of being associated with 1.
3. Many if not most people can't distinguish between the two terms.
well the two last points are a direct result from option 1.true white nationalists needs to claim the term back and to show this augly supremacists the true way.
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I consider myself a White nationalist because 1) I am white, and 2) I want the white race to survive. The last thing I want is to live in a world of negroes and other mud peoples. And I don't want my children to have to live surrounded by them, G-d forbid raped and murdered by them.
I also believe white Western European civilization has given much to the world. I do not want it to die out, or the people who inspired and created it. Basically I hold the same views on this issue as Rabbi Mayer Schiller of Skver.
I realize that some people confuse white nationalist and white supremacist. I do my best to explain and educate people as to the differences.
I realize that neonazis also often call themselves white nationalists. I refuse to let neonazis define who and what I am, and I also realize they don't regard Jews as white. I say, screw them, I will identify as white because I AM white, and if they don't like it they can kiss my tuchis. :P
I'm not the only White nationalist Jew I know. As Ashedina said, there are many on her blog, such as WhiteDevil and others. There are also Jewish WN's who have their own blogs, such as Nicholas Stix, jewamongyou, Lawrence Auster, Michael Levin (author of "Why Race Matters"), Michael Hart, Rabbi Mayer Schiller of the Skver Chasidim, and others.
For more info see: http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/
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I consider myself a White nationalist because 1) I am white, and 2) I want the white race to survive. The last thing I want is to live in a world of negroes and other mud peoples. And I don't want my children to have to live surrounded by them, G-d forbid raped and murdered by them.
I also believe white Western European civilization has given much to the world. I do not want it to die out, or the people who inspired and created it. Basically I hold the same views on this issue as Rabbi Mayer Schiller of Skver.
I realize that some people confuse white nationalist and white supremacist. I do my best to explain and educate people as to the differences.
I realize that neonazis also often call themselves white nationalists. I refuse to let neonazis define who and what I am, and I also realize they don't regard Jews as white. I say, screw them, I will identify as white because I AM white, and if they don't like it they can kiss my tuchis. :P
I'm not the only White nationalist Jew I know. As Ashedina said, there are many on her blog, such as WhiteDevil and others. There are also Jewish WN's who have their own blogs, such as Nicholas Stix, jewamongyou, Lawrence Auster, Michael Levin (author of "Why Race Matters"), Michael Hart, Rabbi Mayer Schiller of the Skver Chasidim, and others.
For more info see: http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/
i like this guy, top post mate.
jews are white(on the whole). Do you lot honestly let your daughter go out with a negro convert to judaism in prison?He jewish right?
What about this guy, hes a gangsta rapper called shyne and now a jewish convert, be honest would you let your daughter marry this man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjm1mu7RAZQ&feature=PlayList&p=5E5BDBDE371DCA8E&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=54
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I consider myself a White nationalist because 1) I am white, and 2) I want the white race to survive. The last thing I want is to live in a world of negroes and other mud peoples. And I don't want my children to have to live surrounded by them, G-d forbid raped and murdered by them.
I also believe white Western European civilization has given much to the world. I do not want it to die out, or the people who inspired and created it. Basically I hold the same views on this issue as Rabbi Mayer Schiller of Skver.
I realize that some people confuse white nationalist and white supremacist. I do my best to explain and educate people as to the differences.
I realize that neonazis also often call themselves white nationalists. I refuse to let neonazis define who and what I am, and I also realize they don't regard Jews as white. I say, screw them, I will identify as white because I AM white, and if they don't like it they can kiss my tuchis. :P
I'm not the only White nationalist Jew I know. As Ashedina said, there are many on her blog, such as WhiteDevil and others. There are also Jewish WN's who have their own blogs, such as Nicholas Stix, jewamongyou, Lawrence Auster, Michael Levin (author of "Why Race Matters"), Michael Hart, Rabbi Mayer Schiller of the Skver Chasidim, and others.
For more info see: http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/
i like this guy, top post mate.
jews are white(on the whole). Do you lot honestly let your daughter go out with a negro convert to judaism in prison?He jewish right?
What about this guy, hes a gangsta rapper called shyne and now a jewish convert, be honest would you let your daughter marry this man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjm1mu7RAZQ&feature=PlayList&p=5E5BDBDE371DCA8E&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=54
I happen to know a couple of very good Righteous Black converts to Judaism... Each person is an individual and is judged on his/her own merits..
As some here have pointed out there is no such thing as 'white' race... It is a conglomeration of many different races. Many Jews, especially Sephardim, are darker skinned than ashkenazi and I do not think they are inferior.. I am good friends with several Sephardic Jews.
What do you mean that Jews are white (on the whole)?
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html
Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics –- the study of DNA sequences –- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.
Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East –- Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen -- and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.
"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)
The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations -– which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA –- can serve as markers, which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.
Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim –- the Jewish priestly family. These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present-day Cohanim, indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See The Cohanim/DNA Connection)
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ASHKENAZI LINKS
Although the Ashkenazi (European) Jewish community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups originating in the Middle East.
A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE.
The researchers are continuing and expanding their studies particularly of the Ashkenazi community. They are hoping that by examining the DNA markers in Jewish populations from different parts of Europe, they will be able to infer the major historical and demographic patterns in Ashkenazi populations.
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes.
uh no, thats definitely not the case.
Human beings are a type of animal..the same instincts as other mammals. The only difference is that humans are capable of choosing right from wrong. Animals, not really. So human genes are the same essentially...same make up same brain same everything...it's the human's free will to choose right from wrong...every human has the capability.
The human body is a donation from Gd..the human is an animal..it's our soul's free will to choose good from bad. Otherwise, we would be just animals, eating and breeding.
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People, give me a damn break. What Jew goes on and on in defense of "white nationalism"?
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
Who taught you this crap of David being a rapist?! And King Saul was 20 million times more evil than you realize!!! He was commanded by Gd to kill all the Amelakites and he ended u saving the King who later mated with someone to bring about Haman and all other Amalekites who continue till this day to try to kill Jews...You really need to think before you write and speak, Ben...you don't know anything about Torah and you should throw away any anti semetic filth that you have learned from anyone in the past such as some Arse or Nazi....
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The last thing you would want is that some negro or mud person, Gd forbid, rapes one of our loved ones...does it make a difference if it were a white animal that could do the same?! White or black is irrelevant..evil is evil..it's color blind...
I consider myself a White nationalist because 1) I am white, and 2) I want the white race to survive. The last thing I want is to live in a world of negroes and other mud peoples. And I don't want my children to have to live surrounded by them, G-d forbid raped and murdered by them.
I also believe white Western European civilization has given much to the world. I do not want it to die out, or the people who inspired and created it. Basically I hold the same views on this issue as Rabbi Mayer Schiller of Skver.
I realize that some people confuse white nationalist and white supremacist. I do my best to explain and educate people as to the differences.
I realize that neonazis also often call themselves white nationalists. I refuse to let neonazis define who and what I am, and I also realize they don't regard Jews as white. I say, screw them, I will identify as white because I AM white, and if they don't like it they can kiss my tuchis. :P
I'm not the only White nationalist Jew I know. As Ashedina said, there are many on her blog, such as WhiteDevil and others. There are also Jewish WN's who have their own blogs, such as Nicholas Stix, jewamongyou, Lawrence Auster, Michael Levin (author of "Why Race Matters"), Michael Hart, Rabbi Mayer Schiller of the Skver Chasidim, and others.
For more info see: http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/
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Dr. Dan, this creature is either an Arab troll or a WN troll. He's not worth your exasperation.
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He's probably a Shabak agent, Dr Brennan Fan.
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He's probably a Shabak agent, Dr Brennan Fan.
I didn't think of that. I am sure that the Shabak is trying to bust right-wing, patriotic Jews, but no Jew supports white nationalism. Why would a Shabak agent pose as a "Jewish white nationalist"?
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He's probably a Shabak agent, Dr Brennan Fan.
I didn't think of that. I am sure that the Shabak is trying to bust right-wing, patriotic Jews, but no Jew supports white nationalism. Why would a Shabak agent pose as a "Jewish white nationalist"?
He does try to image himself as a right-winger on the Hebrew forum but he keeps talking obsessively about Roni the Nazi and other Lefties. Anyway he's either a Shabak agent or just a nutcase.
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He's probably a Shabak agent, Dr Brennan Fan.
I didn't think of that. I am sure that the Shabak is trying to bust right-wing, patriotic Jews, but no Jew supports white nationalism. Why would a Shabak agent pose as a "Jewish white nationalist"?
He does try to image himself as a right-winger on the Hebrew forum but he keeps talking obsessively about Roni the Nazi and other Lefties. Anyway he's either a Shabak agent or just a nutcase.
Whatever he is, I say, if he doesnt stop with his 'white nationalism' talk, we can confirm he is a troll, ban him, and call it a day.
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I consider myself a White nationalist because 1) I am white, and 2) I want the white race to survive. The last thing I want is to live in a world of negroes and other mud peoples. And I don't want my children to have to live surrounded by them, G-d forbid raped and murdered by them.
I also believe white Western European civilization has given much to the world. I do not want it to die out, or the people who inspired and created it. Basically I hold the same views on this issue as Rabbi Mayer Schiller of Skver.
I realize that some people confuse white nationalist and white supremacist. I do my best to explain and educate people as to the differences.
I realize that neonazis also often call themselves white nationalists. I refuse to let neonazis define who and what I am, and I also realize they don't regard Jews as white. I say, screw them, I will identify as white because I AM white, and if they don't like it they can kiss my tuchis. :P
I'm not the only White nationalist Jew I know. As Ashedina said, there are many on her blog, such as WhiteDevil and others. There are also Jewish WN's who have their own blogs, such as Nicholas Stix, jewamongyou, Lawrence Auster, Michael Levin (author of "Why Race Matters"), Michael Hart, Rabbi Mayer Schiller of the Skver Chasidim, and others.
For more info see: http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/
Good post.
Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes.
uh no, thats definitely not the case.
Human beings are a type of animal..the same instincts as other mammals. The only difference is that humans are capable of choosing right from wrong. Animals, not really. So human genes are the same essentially...same make up same brain same everything...it's the human's free will to choose right from wrong...every human has the capability.
The human body is a donation from Gd..the human is an animal..it's our soul's free will to choose good from bad. Otherwise, we would be just animals, eating and breeding.
uh, no. There are specific genetic differences between Humans and other animals and between the White population and nonwhites. Small genetic differences have a potentially large affect on the organism. You can argue over how important those differences are and what affect they have on behavior but its completely false to say "all human genes are the same".
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Skkie,
If you were dying from an incurable disease and a black man with the same blood type was available to donate an organ which you needed, would you refuse the organ because of these 'genetic differences' you talk about? I think you would be a fool to die rather than be saved by an organ from a black man. You do realize that some blacks have the same blood types as some whites...
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White nationalism is stupid anyway. I am either a white supremacist or white racist or I am nationalist, since "white" is not a nation, it is just the colour of your skin.
As a white nationalist you would have to belong to a nation called "white". Where is the country where the people call themselves white? I know of Britain, Norway, Germany, France,... none of them call themselves whites. A nationlist from these countries would call him/herself British, Norwegian etc. nationalist - no matter what race or religion he/she has.
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I consider myself a White nationalist because 1) I am white, and 2) I want the white race to survive. The last thing I want is to live in a world of negroes and other mud peoples. And I don't want my children to have to live surrounded by them, G-d forbid raped and murdered by them.
I also believe white Western European civilization has given much to the world. I do not want it to die out, or the people who inspired and created it. Basically I hold the same views on this issue as Rabbi Mayer Schiller of Skver.
I realize that some people confuse white nationalist and white supremacist. I do my best to explain and educate people as to the differences.
I realize that neonazis also often call themselves white nationalists. I refuse to let neonazis define who and what I am, and I also realize they don't regard Jews as white. I say, screw them, I will identify as white because I AM white, and if they don't like it they can kiss my tuchis. :P
I'm not the only White nationalist Jew I know. As Ashedina said, there are many on her blog, such as WhiteDevil and others. There are also Jewish WN's who have their own blogs, such as Nicholas Stix, jewamongyou, Lawrence Auster, Michael Levin (author of "Why Race Matters"), Michael Hart, Rabbi Mayer Schiller of the Skver Chasidim, and others.
For more info see: http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/
i like this guy, top post mate.
jews are white(on the whole). Do you lot honestly let your daughter go out with a negro convert to judaism in prison?He jewish right?
What about this guy, hes a gangsta rapper called shyne and now a jewish convert, be honest would you let your daughter marry this man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjm1mu7RAZQ&feature=PlayList&p=5E5BDBDE371DCA8E&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=54
you see guys? when i am saying exactly the same things half the forum come on me.oh and jewish american patrio'welcome to the forum.and get prepared to defend your position.some people her can't even accept the existence of races.oh and christian4jews.i can't speak for jewish american patriot but i can speak about myself.and for me the answers to your questions are no and no.i would never let my offsprings to marry negroes.
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Ben, all human genes are the same and all are animal genes.
uh no, thats definitely not the case.
Human beings are a type of animal..the same instincts as other mammals. The only difference is that humans are capable of choosing right from wrong. Animals, not really. So human genes are the same essentially...same make up same brain same everything...it's the human's free will to choose right from wrong...every human has the capability.
The human body is a donation from Gd..the human is an animal..it's our soul's free will to choose good from bad. Otherwise, we would be just animals, eating and breeding.
don't worry,some of us never exited this stage.
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People, give me a damn break. What Jew goes on and on in defense of "white nationalism"?
look at the thread.lol
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Human beings are a type of animal..the same instincts as other mammals. The only difference is that humans are capable of choosing right from wrong. Animals, not really. So human genes are the same essentially...same make up same brain same everything...it's the human's free will to choose right from wrong...every human has the capability.
The human body is a donation from Gd..the human is an animal..it's our soul's free will to choose good from bad. Otherwise, we would be just animals, eating and breeding.
Part of the human brain is called "the R-complex". I think some people believe this to be part of a 'reptile' brain, and we also have 'tail'-bones.
So I have to say that the human body is at least some sort of hybrid.
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
Who taught you this crap of David being a rapist?! And King Saul was 20 million times more evil than you realize!!! He was commanded by Gd to kill all the Amelakites and he ended u saving the King who later mated with someone to bring about Haman and all other Amalekites who continue till this day to try to kill Jews...You really need to think before you write and speak, Ben...you don't know anything about Torah and you should throw away any anti semetic filth that you have learned from anyone in the past such as some Arse or Nazi....
the answer to your question in in kings a i don't remember what chapter.and you know we can always replace saul with someone more decent like yitzchak and yoshiahu.
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Dr. Dan, this creature is either an Arab troll or a WN troll. He's not worth your exasperation.
dr. brennan fan.do me a small favor.SHUT UP. don't you have a negroe march to lead?
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He's probably a Shabak agent, Dr Brennan Fan.
I didn't think of that. I am sure that the Shabak is trying to bust right-wing, patriotic Jews, but no Jew supports white nationalism. Why would a Shabak agent pose as a "Jewish white nationalist"?
He does try to image himself as a right-winger on the Hebrew forum but he keeps talking obsessively about Roni the Nazi and other Lefties. Anyway he's either a Shabak agent or just a nutcase.
and who is exactly roni the nazi? i nver heard that name.and yes i am talking about the leftists beacuse i want every one of them out of the forum.especial the proud arab jew.
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NA,
There is certainly something wrong with your head. I doubt you are a Jew. You do not display any wisdom, nor do you bring anything new to the table. You repeat the same old story that the nazis told, that there is a superior race and that race should subjugate all the other races. This is not a new idea, it is one which has been tried over and over again. Mostly against the Jewish people, but against many peoples in the world. You are young so you have been given a lot of slack around here. But you do not seem to learn, and I still think you are a troll.
You are not my people, nor will you ever be a Jew to me. And I think, though I can't speak for him, Rabbi Kahane would find your opinions quite contrary to the Jewish way. He was not a neo-nazi like some of the non-religious like to believe.
PS: I hope you enjoy all the attention you are getting. This just might be your 15 minutes of fame... Revel in it while it lasts...
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
Who taught you this crap of David being a rapist?! And King Saul was 20 million times more evil than you realize!!! He was commanded by Gd to kill all the Amelakites and he ended u saving the King who later mated with someone to bring about Haman and all other Amalekites who continue till this day to try to kill Jews...You really need to think before you write and speak, Ben...you don't know anything about Torah and you should throw away any anti semetic filth that you have learned from anyone in the past such as some Arse or Nazi....
the answer to your question in in kings a i don't remember what chapter.and you know we can always replace saul with someone more decent like yitzchak and yoshiahu.
Wow are you conceited boy... You will change the Torah with a wave of your fevered hand, eh? Wowie Kazowie! We have a hot one here!!!
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
Who taught you this crap of David being a rapist?! And King Saul was 20 million times more evil than you realize!!! He was commanded by Gd to kill all the Amelakites and he ended u saving the King who later mated with someone to bring about Haman and all other Amalekites who continue till this day to try to kill Jews...You really need to think before you write and speak, Ben...you don't know anything about Torah and you should throw away any anti semetic filth that you have learned from anyone in the past such as some Arse or Nazi....
the answer to your question in in kings a i don't remember what chapter.and you know we can always replace saul with someone more decent like yitzchak and yoshiahu.
Wow are you conceited boy... You will change the Torah with a wave of your fevered hand, eh? Wowie Kazowie! We have a hot one here!!!
nope,read the story of batsheba
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
Who taught you this crap of David being a rapist?! And King Saul was 20 million times more evil than you realize!!! He was commanded by Gd to kill all the Amelakites and he ended u saving the King who later mated with someone to bring about Haman and all other Amalekites who continue till this day to try to kill Jews...You really need to think before you write and speak, Ben...you don't know anything about Torah and you should throw away any anti semetic filth that you have learned from anyone in the past such as some Arse or Nazi....
the answer to your question in in kings a i don't remember what chapter.and you know we can always replace saul with someone more decent like yitzchak and yoshiahu.
Wow are you conceited boy... You will change the Torah with a wave of your fevered hand, eh? Wowie Kazowie! We have a hot one here!!!
nope,read the story of batsheba
Duh, I have read it and I know the story. But you are conceited if you think you are better than King David, and you are conceited if you think you can rewrite the Torah because you don't like the Characters. Each and every great Jewish leader in the Torah has a reason to be there, you are nobody to even question whether King David should be our Greatest King and patriarch of the Davidic Dynasty which will yield the Mashiach Ben David. You don't even know what you are talking about concerning Bathsheba. I have tried to explain to you that the King had his faults, and your problem is one many have had with him, but the sages explained that it was not murder nor was it rape... She had a divorce from her husband, and he was supposed to die in battle because he had commited a capital offense. But because it looked bad that is why David has a mark on his record...
But every Jewish hero has a splotch on his record. You will not find a perfect Jewish character. I can name for you defects in each and every one, from Abraham, to Yitzak, to Yaacov, to even Moses... And each of the kings, including Shlomo HaMelech had deficiencies...
Apparently you consider yourself perfect and without blemish... But you are only a uneducated child who thinks too much of himself. You have a lot to learn.. I thought i knew a lot when I was 16... I already knew I would be a software engineer... But I learned a lot in my life, and 1st and foremost you learn that you didn't really know everything when you are 16.
The Jewish Torah is a lesson for life. The first thing you learn when you go out on your own is that things don't always go as you planned. Life throws curve balls at you, and you must adapt and learn. Each Jewish character in the Torah faced unique challenges, and they rose to meet most challenges, and they failed at some challenges. But that is the lesson of the Torah...
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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463977/jewish/Davids-Trials.htm
David and Bathsheba
The fact that he had been the cause, however indirect, of the destruction of the holy city of Nob and the fall of Saul and his house, troubled David's mind considerably. He knew that severe trials lay ahead of him, but he did not know how and when they would come.
It was during the war with the Ammonites that the first grievous sin was committed by David.
Being a prophet, David knew that his heir and successor would be the son that would be born to him and Bathsheba, a woman of renown, famous for her excellence of character, no less than for her unsurpassed beauty. David learned, however, that she was married to Uriah, a captain fighting under Joab's command. Now it was customary in those days for married men, before going to war, to obtain a divorce from their wives, so that, in the event of their being "missing" in battle, their wives could get married again. Uriah had accordingly obtained a divorce from his wife. David wished to marry Bathsheba at once. He summoned Uriah to him, and, in the course of discussion, Uriah insulted the king. David could have had Uriah tried for high treason, but he was afraid that the trial might be considered a means of getting rid of him. David permitted Uriah to return to the battle field but instructed Joab that he should not endanger the lives of other soldiers to save Uriah from any predicament, for he deserved death in any case. Joab acted upon these instructions and Uriah fell, pierced by an Ammonite archer. In due time, Uriah's widow became David's wife. But David was soon to learn that his deed had greatly angered G-d.
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http://www.koltorah.org/Volume_15/1_Shoftim.htm
Even You
by Dani Yaros
In Parshat Shoftim in Perek 17, the Torah describes how a king should not take for himself too many wives and he should not own too many horses. The reason given for a king not having too many horses is in order that Klal Yisrael not return to Mitzrayim; a king should not have too many wives so that the king does not lead Klal Yisrael astray.
When Shlomo Hamelech was king he took 1,000 wives, much more than the eighteen-wife maximum allowed by the Torah. Shlomo also received as presents and bought many more horses than the Torah permits. The question is: how could a great Tzadik like Shlomo Hamelech violate this Aveirah? HaRav Leibush Charif answers as follows: Shlomo Hamelech knew the Halachah and the reason why HaKadosh Baruch Hu gave this as a Mitzvah to the king. Shlomo figured that this mitzvah did not apply to him; the reason given for a king not to have too many wives was in order that they not lead him and his nation astray. Shlomo decided he would be very careful not to lead Klal Yisrael astray. The reason given for a king not to have too many horses was in order not to lead Klal Yisrael back to Mitzrayim. Shlomo again decided that he would be careful not to lead Klal Yisrael to Mitzrayim. Therefore, the negative commandments of not taking too many wives and not having too many horses did not apply to him. In fact, Shlomo was wrong and was later punished very severely for these Aveirot. In fact, students of Sefer Melachim understand that Shlomo’s mistakes constituuted the first step towards the destruction of the first Beit HaMikdash.
We are now in the month of Elul, a time of repentance and introspection. Many of us tend to think that the act of Teshuvah does not apply to us; someone may think he is generally a “good guy” and does not do too many Aveirot, so he does not have to do Teshuvah. This outlook is wrong. Every single person, from the greatest Tzadik to someone who is not exactly the greatest Tzadik, must do Teshuvah. We should all learn from Shlomo’s mistake and not consider ourselves above Teshuvah. With this Teshuvah, may we be Zocheh to the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash BiMeheirah ViYameinu.
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Oh so first king david doesn't exist but now he exists and he's a rapist and murderer.
Kookoo. Kookoo kookooreekoo
now,if i wil see proofs that david indeed existed (and christian4jews sent me the right kind of a video.i just need a more detailed video beacuse what hey said about david culminated in a half ambigious sentence) i will not have any problems to belive in david.the problem is that acoording to the torah david raped bath sheva and then killed her husband.this is not the way a cultural hero behave.we need to take example from yehuda the maccabeean for example or abraham or the rashbam or shlomo but not from david.
Who taught you this crap of David being a rapist?! And King Saul was 20 million times more evil than you realize!!! He was commanded by Gd to kill all the Amelakites and he ended u saving the King who later mated with someone to bring about Haman and all other Amalekites who continue till this day to try to kill Jews...You really need to think before you write and speak, Ben...you don't know anything about Torah and you should throw away any anti semetic filth that you have learned from anyone in the past such as some Arse or Nazi....
the answer to your question in in kings a i don't remember what chapter.and you know we can always replace saul with someone more decent like yitzchak and yoshiahu.
Wow are you conceited boy... You will change the Torah with a wave of your fevered hand, eh? Wowie Kazowie! We have a hot one here!!!
nope,read the story of batsheba
Duh, I have read it and I know the story. But you are conceited if you think you are better than King David, and you are conceited if you think you can rewrite the Torah because you don't like the Characters. Each and every great Jewish leader in the Torah has a reason to be there, you are nobody to even question whether King David should be our Greatest King and patriarch of the Davidic Dynasty which will yield the Mashiach Ben David. You don't even know what you are talking about concerning Bathsheba. I have tried to explain to you that the King had his faults, and your problem is one many have had with him, but the sages explained that it was not murder nor was it rape... She had a divorce from her husband, and he was supposed to die in battle because he had commited a capital offense. But because it looked bad that is why David has a mark on his record...
But every Jewish hero has a splotch on his record. You will not find a perfect Jewish character. I can name for you defects in each and every one, from Abraham, to Yitzak, to Yaacov, to even Moses... And each of the kings, including Shlomo HaMelech had deficiencies...
Apparently you consider yourself perfect and without blemish... But you are only a uneducated child who thinks too much of himself. You have a lot to learn.. I thought i knew a lot when I was 16... I already knew I would be a software engineer... But I learned a lot in my life, and 1st and foremost you learn that you didn't really know everything when you are 16.
The Jewish Torah is a lesson for life. The first thing you learn when you go out on your own is that things don't always go as you planned. Life throws curve balls at you, and you must adapt and learn. Each Jewish character in the Torah faced unique challenges, and they rose to meet most challenges, and they failed at some challenges. But that is the lesson of the Torah...
okay,i never said i am perfect.but try to find a defect in this characters (not all of them in the bible):yoshiyahu,yehuda the maccabee,avraham,kahane,flavius,the heroes of massada.
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okay,i never said i am perfect.but try to find a defect in this characters (not all of them in the bible):yoshiyahu,yehuda the maccabee,avraham,kahane,flavius,the heroes of massada.
You know I can and I will... I didn't make this stuff up..
Abrahams mistakes according to the Torah:
http://www.shemayisrael.com/Parasha/kahn/archives/shemos69.htm
Abraham’s mistakes
This dialogue raises some serious questions. How could Moses be in doubt, when G’d assured him that the Jewish people would listen to him and believe what he said? And why was it so important that the Jewish people should believe Moses as soon as he comes to tell them about his revelation? Obviously, if Moses would follow G’d’s instructions he would succeed to lead the Jewish people out of Egypt, irrelevant of whether they believed him or not. We may find the answers to these questions by analyzing what was the original cause that brought about the exile and bondage in Egypt. The Talmud (Nedarim 32a) asks why G’d punished our Patriarch Abraham by enslaving his descendants for 210 years. The Talmud offers three reasons. First of all, when Abraham was informed that his nephew Lot had been captured in the war between the four and five kings, it says (Bereishis 14:14): “And he armed his disciples … and he pursued till Dan.” Says the Talmud, this was a mistake. Abraham should not have taken his Torah disciples along into war. The second mistake for which Abraham was punished was in connection with G’d’s revelation to Abraham, when G’d promised him that his descendants would inherit the land of Israel. Abraham asked G’d (Bereishis 15:8), “How will I know that I will inherit it.” The Talmud explains that Abraham here over-stepped his relationship by asking such a question. The third of Abraham’s mistakes happened after the war where he rescued Lot. The King of Sodom asked Abraham for a favour and said (Bereishis 14:21): “Give me the people and take the spoils for yourself.” Abraham agreed to let the King of Sodom take the people back with him and even declined to take any of the spoils. Says the Talmud, Abraham here had the opportunity to influence a large group of people to believe in G’d and he failed to take advantage of the situation.
The mistake of the Maccabees:
http://www.aish.com/h/c/t/h/48942121.html
THE REIGN OF THE HASMONEANS
As noted above, Mattathias was a cohen, and so it is not surprising that his son, Simon, should become High Priest. But Simon also takes on himself the title of nasi meaning "prince/president/leader." He did not call himself king because he knew full well that a Jewish king could only come from the line of David, but for all practical purposes they assumed the role of kingship.
(The line of David -- the line of kings -- comes from the tribe of Judah, whereas the line of the cohanim, the priests, comes from the tribe of Levi, as per the blessing of Jacob on his twelve sons, the twelve tribes of Israel.)
This is a bad choice on the part of Simon because his descendants do not respect this distinction. They start a new ruling dynasty in Israel -- the Hasmonean dynasty -- which lasts for 103 years and which is marked by great territorial expansion but also by a terrible moral and religious decline. They should not have been kings in the first place and then they became corrupted by their own power.
The next ruler is Simon's son, Yochanan Hyrcanus, a powerful and ambitious ruler. Among his many errors, Yochanan Hyrcanus does a terrible anti-Jewish thing. As part of his effort to expand the borders of Israel and strengthen the country, he forcibly converts the newly conquered peoples. This is something Judaism has never done before nor since -- Jews discourage converts rather than the other way around.
One of the peoples that are forcibly converted at this time are the Idumeans. And this error costs the Jews dearly.
In Israel, not far from Beit Shemesh, there is a fascinating archeological site open to tourists called Beit Guvrin Maresha. It consists of thousands of man-made caves that are mostly cut into the soft limestone. This was one of the major cities of the Idumeans. And you can even play archeologist and go there and dig for a day. This is one of the places that the Hasmoneans conquered, giving the people a choice - convert or leave. Many of the inhabitants chose to destroy their houses and leave the country.
One of the Idumean families that is forcibly converted will become very significant for its role in the drama some years later when the Romans invade. A descendant of this family -- Herod -- will be appointed Jewish king and he will be a schizophrenic ruler. He will murder the High Priest, 45 members of the Jewish Supreme Court as well as several members of his own family, but he will also embark on a series of fantastic building projects that will include the city of Caesarea, the fortress at Masada, and a total re-building of the Temple. As we will see, Herod (who is only nominally Jewish) will have a very schizophrenic relationship with the Jews.
The 'heros' of Massada:
http://www.messiahtruth.com/jewfaq.pdf
After Judea was conquered by Rome and tensions with Rome began to mount, a fourth group appeared: the Zealots. The Zealots were basically a nationalistic movement, not a religious one. They favored war against Rome, and believed that death was preferable to being under Roman control. They would commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner. The most famous example of the Zealots was the defenders of Masada, who held the mountain fortress against the Roman Tenth Legion for months and ultimately committed suicide rather than surrender.
There are mistakes made by the best of them... We don't have perfect humans... This is one of the challenges of free will..
PS: Think of this Torah lesson... It is said that Adam HaRishon was the ultimate human being. He was the most intelligent, the strongest, the largest, and his wisdom was immense... And yet he still ate the fruit of the forbidden tree... That is one of the lessons of the story of Beresheit.
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One more article relating to this topic of imperfect humanity:
http://shuvoo.com/articles/CR-concept-of-repentance.php
The Greatest Gift
Repentance is the greatest gift which G-d gave to man-so holy, so G-dlike, so completely above all logic or comprehension. The sages teach that the concept of repentance is one of seven things which G-d "thought of" even before He created the world. Thus He created repentance before He created man; this means that the ability for man to repent existed well before sin...it even existed before the beginning of time. Repentance was one of the pillars of creation; before He created man, the Holy One already knew that "the impulse of man's heart is evil from his youth" (Gen. 7:21), and that it would be impossible for even the best of men not to sin and stumble. "There is no righteous man on earth who does only good, and does not sin" (Ecc. 7:20). G-d knows that this is an integral part of human nature, and it cannot be avoided. Angels are perfect, people make mistakes...yet it is the service of man which G-d desires. Without mistakes, there can be no growth.
Thus, in the words of the rabbis, "G-d created the cure even before the illness," and the concept of repentance was prepared in advance of man and built into the very fabric of creation, so that when one transgresses the will of his Creator, a path is left open for him to return.
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The only reason I wouldn't marry my daughter off to a former rapper converted Jew is because of his past. Heck, if it were a white convert it would be because his family and mine would be different.
But oh wait, what if it was a Jew with a Jewish family but he is twice divorced, no I wouldn't marry my daughter off.
Oh but what about that lovely american jew from a jewish family that I dated for two years and a sweet smart girl very educated. I didn't marry her because our family's culture had nothing in common.
Oh what about that Persian Jewish girl I dated for 9 months (and btw I'm a persian Jew). We were incompatible and our families didn't match.
And what about that persian jewish girl who's family was like mine and could have practically been related to me? Well she was just a [censored], so that's why I didn't marry her.
But my wife, she's israeli persian who speaks hebrew who's family is amazing and who she herself is amazing and beautiful.
So allyou white nationalist dumbasses out there, friggin cares? You don't marry someone off for political correctness or to prove a point. You marry your daughter off (if you are a Jew) to a good Jewish man froma good Jewish family even if that family is a convert. Your daughter chooses what attracts her physically. And just because you have a Jew doesn't mean anything if he or she is marryable.
As far the "jewish gene" being on a y chrmosome or in mitochondrial DNA from the mother is irrelevant. There are countless "Jews" who might as well be Talibans. You WN "Jewish" whores know nothing and are either lost souls or just plain evil. You are not kahanists and don't even belong amongst us.
Dr brennan fan is an amazing intelligent person and I choose him on my team as my ally before any WN "Jewish" whore who denies Torah and has ethnocentric views that are against the spirit of Torah.
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It is a pity that so many people here - Muman in first place - try to explain on and on again the same things to that guy, but he seems resistent to learning and understanding. I doubt it is even lack of IQ capacity, I think it is just his selfish, egocentric very very limited way of thinking and acting.
It is already dubious an atheist who calls Hitler a poor brainwashed victim and at the same time bashes King David! I mean this is just disgusting!
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okay,i never said i am perfect.but try to find a defect in this characters (not all of them in the bible):yoshiyahu,yehuda the maccabee,avraham,kahane,flavius,the heroes of massada.
You know I can and I will... I didn't make this stuff up..
Abrahams mistakes according to the Torah:
http://www.shemayisrael.com/Parasha/kahn/archives/shemos69.htm
Abraham’s mistakes
This dialogue raises some serious questions. How could Moses be in doubt, when G’d assured him that the Jewish people would listen to him and believe what he said? And why was it so important that the Jewish people should believe Moses as soon as he comes to tell them about his revelation? Obviously, if Moses would follow G’d’s instructions he would succeed to lead the Jewish people out of Egypt, irrelevant of whether they believed him or not. We may find the answers to these questions by analyzing what was the original cause that brought about the exile and bondage in Egypt. The Talmud (Nedarim 32a) asks why G’d punished our Patriarch Abraham by enslaving his descendants for 210 years. The Talmud offers three reasons. First of all, when Abraham was informed that his nephew Lot had been captured in the war between the four and five kings, it says (Bereishis 14:14): “And he armed his disciples … and he pursued till Dan.” Says the Talmud, this was a mistake. Abraham should not have taken his Torah disciples along into war. The second mistake for which Abraham was punished was in connection with G’d’s revelation to Abraham, when G’d promised him that his descendants would inherit the land of Israel. Abraham asked G’d (Bereishis 15:8), “How will I know that I will inherit it.” The Talmud explains that Abraham here over-stepped his relationship by asking such a question. The third of Abraham’s mistakes happened after the war where he rescued Lot. The King of Sodom asked Abraham for a favour and said (Bereishis 14:21): “Give me the people and take the spoils for yourself.” Abraham agreed to let the King of Sodom take the people back with him and even declined to take any of the spoils. Says the Talmud, Abraham here had the opportunity to influence a large group of people to believe in G’d and he failed to take advantage of the situation.
The mistake of the Maccabees:
http://www.aish.com/h/c/t/h/48942121.html
THE REIGN OF THE HASMONEANS
As noted above, Mattathias was a cohen, and so it is not surprising that his son, Simon, should become High Priest. But Simon also takes on himself the title of nasi meaning "prince/president/leader." He did not call himself king because he knew full well that a Jewish king could only come from the line of David, but for all practical purposes they assumed the role of kingship.
(The line of David -- the line of kings -- comes from the tribe of Judah, whereas the line of the cohanim, the priests, comes from the tribe of Levi, as per the blessing of Jacob on his twelve sons, the twelve tribes of Israel.)
This is a bad choice on the part of Simon because his descendants do not respect this distinction. They start a new ruling dynasty in Israel -- the Hasmonean dynasty -- which lasts for 103 years and which is marked by great territorial expansion but also by a terrible moral and religious decline. They should not have been kings in the first place and then they became corrupted by their own power.
The next ruler is Simon's son, Yochanan Hyrcanus, a powerful and ambitious ruler. Among his many errors, Yochanan Hyrcanus does a terrible anti-Jewish thing. As part of his effort to expand the borders of Israel and strengthen the country, he forcibly converts the newly conquered peoples. This is something Judaism has never done before nor since -- Jews discourage converts rather than the other way around.
One of the peoples that are forcibly converted at this time are the Idumeans. And this error costs the Jews dearly.
In Israel, not far from Beit Shemesh, there is a fascinating archeological site open to tourists called Beit Guvrin Maresha. It consists of thousands of man-made caves that are mostly cut into the soft limestone. This was one of the major cities of the Idumeans. And you can even play archeologist and go there and dig for a day. This is one of the places that the Hasmoneans conquered, giving the people a choice - convert or leave. Many of the inhabitants chose to destroy their houses and leave the country.
One of the Idumean families that is forcibly converted will become very significant for its role in the drama some years later when the Romans invade. A descendant of this family -- Herod -- will be appointed Jewish king and he will be a schizophrenic ruler. He will murder the High Priest, 45 members of the Jewish Supreme Court as well as several members of his own family, but he will also embark on a series of fantastic building projects that will include the city of Caesarea, the fortress at Masada, and a total re-building of the Temple. As we will see, Herod (who is only nominally Jewish) will have a very schizophrenic relationship with the Jews.
The 'heros' of Massada:
http://www.messiahtruth.com/jewfaq.pdf
After Judea was conquered by Rome and tensions with Rome began to mount, a fourth group appeared: the Zealots. The Zealots were basically a nationalistic movement, not a religious one. They favored war against Rome, and believed that death was preferable to being under Roman control. They would commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner. The most famous example of the Zealots was the defenders of Masada, who held the mountain fortress against the Roman Tenth Legion for months and ultimately committed suicide rather than surrender.
There are mistakes made by the best of them... We don't have perfect humans... This is one of the challenges of free will..
PS: Think of this Torah lesson... It is said that Adam HaRishon was the ultimate human being. He was the most intelligent, the strongest, the largest, and his wisdom was immense... And yet he still ate the fruit of the forbidden tree... That is one of the lessons of the story of Beresheit.
agree,you are right,muman613 i am hating to say this but i was wrong,you are a great man. and a very intellegent one.
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The only reason I wouldn't marry my daughter off to a former rapper converted Jew is because of his past. Heck, if it were a white convert it would be because his family and mine would be different.
But oh wait, what if it was a Jew with a Jewish family but he is twice divorced, no I wouldn't marry my daughter off.
Oh but what about that lovely american jew from a jewish family that I dated for two years and a sweet smart girl very educated. I didn't marry her because our family's culture had nothing in common.
Oh what about that Persian Jewish girl I dated for 9 months (and btw I'm a persian Jew). We were incompatible and our families didn't match.
And what about that persian jewish girl who's family was like mine and could have practically been related to me? Well she was just a kurva, so that's why I didn't marry her.
But my wife, she's israeli persian who speaks hebrew who's family is amazing and who she herself is amazing and beautiful.
So allyou white nationalist dumbasses out there, friggin cares? You don't marry someone off for political correctness or to prove a point. You marry your daughter off (if you are a Jew) to a good Jewish man froma good Jewish family even if that family is a convert. Your daughter chooses what attracts her physically. And just because you have a Jew doesn't mean anything if he or she is marryable.
As far the "jewish gene" being on a y chrmosome or in mitochondrial DNA from the mother is irrelevant. There are countless "Jews" who might as well be Talibans. You WN "Jewish" whores know nothing and are either lost souls or just plain evil. You are not kahanists and don't even belong amongst us.
Dr brennan fan is an amazing intelligent person and I choose him on my team as my ally before any WN "Jewish" whore who denies Torah and has ethnocentric views that are against the spirit of Torah.
wow.you realy need to control your emotions.and besides if we love white people it is our right to do so.
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It is a pity that so many people here - Muman in first place - try to explain on and on again the same things to that guy, but he seems resistent to learning and understanding. I doubt it is even lack of IQ capacity, I think it is just his selfish, egocentric very very limited way of thinking and acting.
It is already dubious an atheist who calls Hitler a poor brainwashed victim and at the same time bashes King David! I mean this is just disgusting!
if you want to know,my intellegence is 125.
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Skkie,
If you were dying from an incurable disease and a black man with the same blood type was available to donate an organ which you needed, would you refuse the organ because of these 'genetic differences' you talk about? I think you would be a fool to die rather than be saved by an organ from a black man. You do realize that some blacks have the same blood types as some whites...
muman you are wokring with incredibly minute statistics.
Its like saying i agree with aborition becuase the 99.99 percent chance a women gets raped, and actually gets inpregnated, means we should legalise abortion. Or if the mother will die, if a abortion isnt done, again a very rare incident, that does that does not warrant being pro abortion.
We all agree here that they are good black people. as chaim would say they are aceptions, blacks on the whole are very unattractive, but in some cases they can be attractive, like halle berry.
The blacks we usually like are hated by the self hating white media and 99.99 percent of blacks as they are referred to as "uncle toms".
Pastor manning and alan keyes dont like black people, dont like affirmative action, and are hated by the media and the black cummunity.
if god said to you you had to live in a random black area(anywhere in the world) or a random white area in the world(anywhere), i know you would pick the white area. Yes you may end up in a bad area, as they are some. but 80 percent of white areas are decent and 99.99999999999 black areas are evil and horrible and would hate you muman.
I live in the UK and there is not one nice black area, not one. Same with american, philly, detroit, atlanta are all disgusting areas, all filled with blacks.
africa i would much rathe rlive in the white areas, then black areas..these are facts muman. Black people are horrible people if you want to generalise, but have a few very decent acceptions.
Should we as a society let them have freewill just because 2 percent of them are decent.
Event he so called black role model tiger woods has been shown for a sodomite....
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It is a pity that so many people here - Muman in first place - try to explain on and on again the same things to that guy, but he seems resistent to learning and understanding. I doubt it is even lack of IQ capacity, I think it is just his selfish, egocentric very very limited way of thinking and acting.
It is already dubious an atheist who calls Hitler a poor brainwashed victim and at the same time bashes King David! I mean this is just disgusting!
if you want to know,my intellegence is 125.
Now I also start to doubt your IQ. Read what I have written: I said I DOUBT it is lack of IQ... That means in other words: I don't think you are nuts, you just behave like one...
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Only once did I meet a White Jewish woman who had married a negro Jew. They were both Torah observant, too...I met them at a concert of a Chasidic music group.
But you know...she said the shadchan matched them up because they were both converts. She said the shadchan told her that born Jews try not to marry converts because they want impeccable yichus (lineage). I already knew that about a lot of frum Yidden, its a shame its that way, but why should this woman have had to settle for a negro just because she was a convert? I would have stayed single until a better match came along, but you know, in the frum community being single past a certain age is like the kiss of death.
In the frum community I grew up in, no one was a fan of negroes. The only Jews who seemed to be were the liberal Jews, most of whom were not religious (yet as soon as a negro moved into their neighborhood, the for sale sign went up and BAM! they were off to the lily-white suburbs.) Those of you of a certain age KNOW what I am saying is true.
And like another poster said, you have to admit that if you had the choice, you would want to live in a white neighborhood as opposed to a negro one. Look at what the negroes did to Rhodesia, South Africa and the former Belgian Congo after they raped and murdered the whites to the point where they almost all left? All those places are sh*tholes now, and you know it! They have also ruined every city they became the majority in, including my own! NYC, Philly, Detroit, the list goes on and on.
As General Robert E Lee once said, Whereever we see the white man, we see things being built up. Wherever we see the negro, we see things being torn down. AND THAT WAS IN THE 1800s! Its much worse now.
Those of you who did not personally know Rav Kahane HY"D, might not know that he was no great lover of negroes. He recognized that most of them hate Jews. I knew him personally and volunteered for him in the JDL office when he would visit NYC after he made aliyah.
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It is a pity that so many people here - Muman in first place - try to explain on and on again the same things to that guy, but he seems resistent to learning and understanding. I doubt it is even lack of IQ capacity, I think it is just his selfish, egocentric very very limited way of thinking and acting.
It is already dubious an atheist who calls Hitler a poor brainwashed victim and at the same time bashes King David! I mean this is just disgusting!
if you want to know,my intellegence is 125.
Now I also start to doubt your IQ. Read what I have written: I said I DOUBT it is lack of IQ... That means in other words: I don't think you are nuts, you just behave like one...
sorry,my mistake. ???
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Only once did I meet a White Jewish woman who had married a negro Jew. They were both Torah observant, too...I met them at a concert of a Chasidic music group.
But you know...she said the shadchan matched them up because they were both converts. She said the shadchan told her that born Jews try not to marry converts because they want impeccable yichus (lineage). I already knew that about a lot of frum Yidden, its a shame its that way, but why should this woman have had to settle for a negro just because she was a convert? I would have stayed single until a better match came along, but you know, in the frum community being single past a certain age is like the kiss of death.
In the frum community I grew up in, no one was a fan of negroes. The only Jews who seemed to be were the liberal Jews, most of whom were not religious (yet as soon as a negro moved into their neighborhood, the for sale sign went up and BAM! they were off to the lily-white suburbs.) Those of you of a certain age KNOW what I am saying is true.
And like another poster said, you have to admit that if you had the choice, you would want to live in a white neighborhood as opposed to a negro one. Look at what the negroes did to Rhodesia, South Africa and the former Belgian Congo after they raped and murdered the whites to the point where they almost all left? All those places are sh*tholes now, and you know it! They have also ruined every city they became the majority in, including my own! NYC, Philly, Detroit, the list goes on and on.
As General Robert E Lee once said, Whereever we see the white man, we see things being built up. Wherever we see the negro, we see things being torn down. AND THAT WAS IN THE 1800s! Its much worse now.
Those of you who did not personally know Rav Kahane HY"D, might not know that he was no great lover of negroes. He recognized that most of them hate Jews. I knew him personally and volunteered for him in the JDL office when he would visit NYC after he made aliyah.
yep,look in israel at the ethiopians and sudanese in the central bus station.it used to be a nice and prosperous place but since the negroes moved in it is a big drug place.look at holland or london's eat end or manchester or saint dennis in paris.they are all destroyed by negroes and muslims.can you please tell us more about kahane's atituse toward the negroes?
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BTW, "christians4jews", I'm female (I find I have to mention this constantly on every forum I'm on...for some reason people assume I'm a guy! Why?) :laugh:
My mother (also Jewish) couldn't stand negroes. It was so bad with her (and I used to laugh at her behind her back about this, until I learned the hard way about negroes), that she would bank her own blood before a surgery, or have my uncle bank his blood for her (they were the same rare blood type). She didn't want blood from a negro. Considering the high rate of HIV they tend to have, can't say I blame her based on what I know about them now.
I became racially aware about negroes after my mom died. I kind of wish it had happened before so she could see I wasn't destined to be naive the rest of my life! ;D
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Only once did I meet a White Jewish woman who had married a negro Jew. They were both Torah observant, too...I met them at a concert of a Chasidic music group.
But you know...she said the shadchan matched them up because they were both converts. She said the shadchan told her that born Jews try not to marry converts because they want impeccable yichus (lineage). I already knew that about a lot of frum Yidden, its a shame its that way, but why should this woman have had to settle for a negro just because she was a convert? I would have stayed single until a better match came along, but you know, in the frum community being single past a certain age is like the kiss of death.
In the frum community I grew up in, no one was a fan of negroes. The only Jews who seemed to be were the liberal Jews, most of whom were not religious (yet as soon as a negro moved into their neighborhood, the for sale sign went up and BAM! they were off to the lily-white suburbs.) Those of you of a certain age KNOW what I am saying is true.
And like another poster said, you have to admit that if you had the choice, you would want to live in a white neighborhood as opposed to a negro one. Look at what the negroes did to Rhodesia, South Africa and the former Belgian Congo after they raped and murdered the whites to the point where they almost all left? All those places are sh*tholes now, and you know it! They have also ruined every city they became the majority in, including my own! NYC, Philly, Detroit, the list goes on and on.
As General Robert E Lee once said, Whereever we see the white man, we see things being built up. Wherever we see the negro, we see things being torn down. AND THAT WAS IN THE 1800s! Its much worse now.
Those of you who did not personally know Rav Kahane HY"D, might not know that he was no great lover of negroes. He recognized that most of them hate Jews. I knew him personally and volunteered for him in the JDL office when he would visit NYC after he made aliyah.
yep,look in israel at the ethiopians and sudanese in the central bus station.it used to be a nice and prosperous place but since the negroes moved in it is a big drug place.look at holland or london's eat end or manchester or saint dennis in paris.they are all destroyed by negroes and muslims.can you please tell us more about kahane's atituse toward the negroes?
I don't know if his views are written down anywhere, but I know from having spoken to him that he recognized that most of them hate Jews, and that was enough for him. Plus, he was from NYC where he was able to see how they destroyed the city.
Rabbi Sholom Klass (zt"l), former editor of the Jewish Press and a good friend of Rav Kahane's, also did not believe in equality between negroes and whites. He says in his "Responsa of Modern Judaism" (c 1992) that Cush, descended from Ham, Noah's son, was black (Sanhedrin 108b), and that Ham was punished for his sin by being cursed with black skin..
"The Gemara tells us: Three had relations in Noah's ark, the dog, the raven and his son Ham and they were punished...Ham was smitten in skin, from him descended Cush who was black skinned)."
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BTW, "christians4jews", I'm female (I find I have to mention this constantly on every forum I'm on...for some reason people assume I'm a guy! Why?) :laugh:
My mother (also Jewish) couldn't stand negroes. It was so bad with her (and I used to laugh at her behind her back about this, until I learned the hard way about negroes), that she would bank her own blood before a surgery, or have my uncle bank his blood for her (they were the same rare blood type). She didn't want blood from a negro. Considering the high rate of HIV they tend to have, can't say I blame her based on what I know about them now.
I became racially aware about negroes after my mom died. I kind of wish it had happened before so she could see I wasn't destined to be naive the rest of my life! ;D
My mother WAS a toLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLerant lib.
She is no more. Thats not good...this could be bad.
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Only once did I meet a White Jewish woman who had married a negro Jew. They were both Torah observant, too...I met them at a concert of a Chasidic music group.
But you know...she said the shadchan matched them up because they were both converts. She said the shadchan told her that born Jews try not to marry converts because they want impeccable yichus (lineage). I already knew that about a lot of frum Yidden, its a shame its that way, but why should this woman have had to settle for a negro just because she was a convert? I would have stayed single until a better match came along, but you know, in the frum community being single past a certain age is like the kiss of death.
In the frum community I grew up in, no one was a fan of negroes. The only Jews who seemed to be were the liberal Jews, most of whom were not religious (yet as soon as a negro moved into their neighborhood, the for sale sign went up and BAM! they were off to the lily-white suburbs.) Those of you of a certain age KNOW what I am saying is true.
And like another poster said, you have to admit that if you had the choice, you would want to live in a white neighborhood as opposed to a negro one. Look at what the negroes did to Rhodesia, South Africa and the former Belgian Congo after they raped and murdered the whites to the point where they almost all left? All those places are sh*tholes now, and you know it! They have also ruined every city they became the majority in, including my own! NYC, Philly, Detroit, the list goes on and on.
As General Robert E Lee once said, Whereever we see the white man, we see things being built up. Wherever we see the negro, we see things being torn down. AND THAT WAS IN THE 1800s! Its much worse now.
Those of you who did not personally know Rav Kahane HY"D, might not know that he was no great lover of negroes. He recognized that most of them hate Jews. I knew him personally and volunteered for him in the JDL office when he would visit NYC after he made aliyah.
yep,look in israel at the ethiopians and sudanese in the central bus station.it used to be a nice and prosperous place but since the negroes moved in it is a big drug place.look at holland or london's eat end or manchester or saint dennis in paris.they are all destroyed by negroes and muslims.can you please tell us more about kahane's atituse toward the negroes?
I don't know if his views are written down anywhere, but I know from having spoken to him that he recognized that most of them hate Jews, and that was enough for him. Plus, he was from NYC where he was able to see how they destroyed the city.
Rabbi Sholom Klass (zt"l), former editor of the Jewish Press and a good friend of Rav Kahane's, also did not believe in equality between negroes and whites. He says in his "Responsa of Modern Judaism" (c 1992) that Cush, descended from Ham, Noah's son, was black (Sanhedrin 108b), and that Ham was punished for his sin by being cursed with black skin..
"The Gemara tells us: Three had relations in Noah's ark, the dog, the raven and his son Ham and they were punished...Ham was smitten in skin, from him descended Cush who was black skinned)."
realy? I thought that the negroes are descendants of kain.well in either case it's explains their inferiority.
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Re: "a White nationalist"
This is a term which is for all intent meaningless -
It defies definition due to its lack of clarity.
Here's why:
The fact not withstanding that the color white , itself a mixture of all other colors, has absolutely nothing to do with any scientific classifications or characteristics of race,
Is it a white who believes in nationalism? ...
Or merely someone believing in a white nation ?
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To be fair, I admit that the State of Israel itself suffers from an inherent confusion of self definition and national identity.
It claims to be a Jewish State, but embraces several things all of which are incompatible with each other:
1. It claims to be a political movement which is the logical culmination of Zionism, which is the 2000 year longing for return to Zion (The Land of Israel) by the Jewish People who were exiled by the Romans.
2. Its leadership and ruling elite were co-opted by Eastern European secularists steeped in socialism and labor values who embraced atheism, secularism, Soviet style 'democratic centralism', and who denounced Torah as "racist" and "superstition".
2. The State today has a parliamentary system, no constitution, a Supreme Court with laws inherited from the Ottoman and British Empires, recognizes Jewish Holidays but disallows Jewish worship on the Temple Mount, sports a Mogen David and Menorah as its State Symbols while allowing production and consumption of pork.
3. While claiming to be a "Jewish State", it at the same time claims to be a "secular democracy" where Jews are no more equal than are Arab Muslims, Armenians, Samaritans, Karaites, Christians, Ba'hai, and all others.
4. It persecutes and oppresses the human rights of its Jewish population in order to placate both its Nazi Muslim population and world opinion.
5. The State bases its "right to exist" on the U.N Charter and U.N. Resolutions, rather than Torah, all the while claiming a Biblical right to the entire original Jewish Homeland it now holds in part, and despite the fact that the U.N. and the Zionist State both accept Partition of the Land and Jerusalem between Jew and the Arab.
I could go on, but won't, because the reality of "The State of Israel" with its "Israeli citizen" is even more confused than is the concept of a "white nationalist"!
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"White" refers to people of European ancestry whose skin color is white. Since most Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jews who have lived many centuries in Europe, I see no conflict with regarding most Jews as "white" (I know neonazis don't but who cares what they think, honestly?)
And since most Jews have white skin and would be regarded as white by the enemies of the white race (like negroes), I think it is in the best interests of Jews to identify as white.
After all, when I walk down a dark street at night and a gang of negroes is coming toward me from the other direction, do you really think they say to themselves, "Oh! Look! There goes a Jewish woman! The kind that marched with us in Selma! Be sure not to rob or rape her, she is our friend!"
When I was in high school, waiting for a train to go home, I had a schvartza try to sexually assault me. The only reason he didn't was because I screamed and a WHITE MAN came to my aid. A white man, who, interestingly, had tattoos on his forearm which I recognized as white supremacist symbols. He came to helpe me, and called the cops.
After the cops arrived, I told the supremacist guy that I recognized his tattoos, and that I happen to be Jewish. I thanked him for coming to my aid, and he said as far as he was concerned, if the schvartza saw me as a white girl, so did he.
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From what I have gathered over about a year, the W.N.s believe in no race mixing, no religion mixing. That seems to be the point that comes across more than anything from my website.
And I agree with that philosophy
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
I've studied the scientific evidence on it. Why not do the same?
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
I've studied the scientific evidence on it. Why not do the same?
Cause there is no evidence on it. I've studied the case too. As a counter to your books I recommend Joseph Graves' book.
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"White" refers to people of European ancestry whose skin color is white. Since most Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jews who have lived many centuries in Europe, I see no conflict with regarding most Jews as "white" (I know neonazis don't but who cares what they think, honestly?)
And since most Jews have white skin and would be regarded as white by the enemies of the white race (like negroes), I think it is in the best interests of Jews to identify as white.
After all, when I walk down a dark street at night and a gang of negroes is coming toward me from the other direction, do you really think they say to themselves, "Oh! Look! There goes a Jewish woman! The kind that marched with us in Selma! Be sure not to rob or rape her, she is our friend!"
When I was in high school, waiting for a train to go home, I had a schvartza try to sexually assault me. The only reason he didn't was because I screamed and a WHITE MAN came to my aid. A white man, who, interestingly, had tattoos on his forearm which I recognized as white supremacist symbols. He came to helpe me, and called the cops.
After the cops arrived, I told the supremacist guy that I recognized his tattoos, and that I happen to be Jewish. I thanked him for coming to my aid, and he said as far as he was concerned, if the schvartza saw me as a white girl, so did he.
this is a proof that not all the ''white supremacists'' aren't so bad.they are just plain stupid.we don't have superiority over any race apart from the negroe and this can be applyed to the asians and schvartzas too.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
Eminem is a part of it. Is it genetic?
Give me a break and go back to your school in the Third Reich.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
Evidently HaShem does not agree with you, Ron, he seperated the races at Babel
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
Evidently HaShem does not agree with you, Ron, he seperated the races at Babel
He seperated Nations (seperated between Whites and Whites too), not "races".
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"White" refers to people of European ancestry whose skin color is white. Since most Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jews who have lived many centuries in Europe, I see no conflict with regarding most Jews as "white" (I know neonazis don't but who cares what they think, honestly?)
And since most Jews have white skin and would be regarded as white by the enemies of the white race (like negroes), I think it is in the best interests of Jews to identify as white.
After all, when I walk down a dark street at night and a gang of negroes is coming toward me from the other direction, do you really think they say to themselves, "Oh! Look! There goes a Jewish woman! The kind that marched with us in Selma! Be sure not to rob or rape her, she is our friend!"
When I was in high school, waiting for a train to go home, I had a schvartza try to sexually assault me. The only reason he didn't was because I screamed and a WHITE MAN came to my aid. A white man, who, interestingly, had tattoos on his forearm which I recognized as white supremacist symbols. He came to helpe me, and called the cops.
After the cops arrived, I told the supremacist guy that I recognized his tattoos, and that I happen to be Jewish. I thanked him for coming to my aid, and he said as far as he was concerned, if the schvartza saw me as a white girl, so did he.
Very good point, and i am sorry about that story.
Most jews are white, lets be honest, they are. Especially in america.
Now i am going to try and kill to birds with one stone in this post. i am going to insult blacks and white supremacists, simaltaeously.
The brain washing of the media, whether white jew or white gentile is horrendous. This is where the white supremacists fall down. If they had a brain between them they would realise that the self hating jews have damaged the jewish faith in america tremendously. look at larry david on curb your enthusiasm. He marry outside his race#(to a black women), in the last series to a non jew. Woody allan is married toa asian women, a non jew. These are the white jewish riole models. Look at the female head of courts lady, she is jewish, a lesbian, and hates israel. Is she a good role model to white jews, who make up the most of the people in judaism.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
Eminem is a part of it. Is it genetic?
Give me a break and go back to your school in the Third Reich.
eminem is part of it beacuse he is a wigger.he is a part of a growing minority.
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"White" refers to people of European ancestry whose skin color is white. Since most Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jews who have lived many centuries in Europe, I see no conflict with regarding most Jews as "white" (I know neonazis don't but who cares what they think, honestly?)
And since most Jews have white skin and would be regarded as white by the enemies of the white race (like negroes), I think it is in the best interests of Jews to identify as white.
After all, when I walk down a dark street at night and a gang of negroes is coming toward me from the other direction, do you really think they say to themselves, "Oh! Look! There goes a Jewish woman! The kind that marched with us in Selma! Be sure not to rob or rape her, she is our friend!"
When I was in high school, waiting for a train to go home, I had a schvartza try to sexually assault me. The only reason he didn't was because I screamed and a WHITE MAN came to my aid. A white man, who, interestingly, had tattoos on his forearm which I recognized as white supremacist symbols. He came to helpe me, and called the cops.
After the cops arrived, I told the supremacist guy that I recognized his tattoos, and that I happen to be Jewish. I thanked him for coming to my aid, and he said as far as he was concerned, if the schvartza saw me as a white girl, so did he.
Very good point, and i am sorry about that story.
Most jews are white, lets be honest, they are. Especially in america.
Now i am going to try and kill to birds with one stone in this post. i am going to insult blacks and white supremacists, simaltaeously.
The brain washing of the media, whether white jew or white gentile is horrendous. This is where the white supremacists fall down. If they had a brain between them they would realise that the self hating jews have damaged the jewish faith in america tremendously. look at larry david on curb your enthusiasm. He marry outside his race#(to a black women), in the last series to a non jew. Woody allan is married toa asian women, a non jew. These are the white jewish riole models. Look at the female head of courts lady, she is jewish, a lesbian, and hates israel. Is she a good role model to white jews, who make up the most of the people in judaism.
great points.by the way.did you already joined ukip or plannig to do so? i reat about the party platform and i very supportive of the pary.
good luck.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
Eminem is a part of it. Is it genetic?
Give me a break and go back to your school in the Third Reich.
eminem is part of it beacuse he is a wigger.he is a part of a growing minority.
Anyone who joins this evil cult called Black "American" culture is a part of it, no matter what his color of skin is.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
Eminem is a part of it. Is it genetic?
Give me a break and go back to your school in the Third Reich.
eminem is part of it beacuse he is a wigger.he is a part of a growing minority.
Anyone who joins this evil cult called Black "American" culture is a part of it, no matter what his color of skin is.
right.and look at the name you chose for this cult.of course there are evil people from every race.but i never seen such an evil people like most negroes are.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
Eminem is a part of it. Is it genetic?
Give me a break and go back to your school in the Third Reich.
eminem is part of it beacuse he is a wigger.he is a part of a growing minority.
Anyone who joins this evil cult called Black "American" culture is a part of it, no matter what his color of skin is.
right.and look at the name you chose for this cult.of course there are evil people from every race.but i never seen such an evil people like most negroes are.
You have so little experience with evil people then. The problem is with the culture, not the color of the skin... This is the truth of the situation.
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Massuhdegoodname: What I personally mean by "white nationalism" is this:
I believe White people have the right to be proud of their race, their heritage and the accomplishments of their race
I believe White people have the right to live apart from other races,if they so choose
I believe White people have the right not to be discriminated against because of their skin color
And incidentally, race is a reality, it is not a social construct as the left says. There are three main races of mankind: Negroid (Blacks), Mongoloid (Asians) and Caucasoid (Whites)...all others are subraces of those three primary races. This is what science taught until political correctness interfered.
You might like to read "WHY RACE MATTERS" by Dr Michael Levin. You can get it from Amazon. Also, "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR" by Dr J Philippe Rushton (also from Amazon).
Race matters only because people are stupid enough to believe in such psuedo-scientific fantasy.
oych please,do you want tell me that negroe culture are a pseudo scientific myth? give me a break.
Eminem is a part of it. Is it genetic?
Give me a break and go back to your school in the Third Reich.
eminem is part of it beacuse he is a wigger.he is a part of a growing minority.
Anyone who joins this evil cult called Black "American" culture is a part of it, no matter what his color of skin is.
right.and look at the name you chose for this cult.of course there are evil people from every race.but i never seen such an evil people like most negroes are.
You have so little experience with evil people then. The problem is with the culture, not the color of the skin... This is the truth of the situation.
yes but everybody can agree that some people tend more to become part of that evil culture.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans. We have some fantastic german members, i love them. At the time of the world wars, the majority of germans were pro nazi. However we know that they were very rightous germans at the time, however, just because of a few, does that mean that the british, americans etc should not have fought back, just because they were a small minority of rightous germans. Of course not.
Sometimes you have to generalise, to look after yourself. I know you would not want to live in a black area, you would rather live in a jewish white area than a black area.
I am christian, and of course they are evil white christians, but southafrica is a black christian country, so on your logic i should be happy to move there..On the contary ,its horrific.
The gangsta rapper, and the US black "isarelites" claim to be jewish converts/original jews, would you allow your daughter near them, i hope you wouldnt.
I can see what you and muman are saying, and i really want to agree, with you, honestly i do. But unfortunately blacks are horrible 9 percent of the time. In the US, after white jews and white gentiles throwing money at them, they still have the worst single parent stas, highest unemployment levels, highest vd levels, lowest iq test scores...
Why do indians and chinese with no money spent on them and not even having english as their first language still destroy blacks at iq tests and achievement in life.
Lets face it, blacks are failures. They are acceptions, but on the whole the acceptions are "uncle toms" that hate other blacks.
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This is for skiie and those of who call themselves WN: I think somethings are getting lost in translation. Yes most of us including me woukd choose a white neighborhood over a black one. Not because of genetics, but because of the behavioral trend the vast majority of blacks have. If there was a black neighborhood where the opposite existed, like most white neighborhoods, then both are fine. Except the good black neighborhoods don't really exist.
I want the WN people here to know that what they hate about 99 percent of blacks is their culture and behavior. The trend they carry deserves a lack of trust and guilty until proven innocent. However the way you guys are expressing it makes it out that it is the genetics that makes them inferior... Klu klux klan and nazis say the same but they have no concept of reality. What makes an alan keyes and pastor manning noble is their behavior and fear of Gd and loving humanity. We don't acquire this from birth or in our y or x chromosomes. This is learned or divine intervention.
I hate it when people make excuses to hate because of someone elses genetic make up.
But to hate evil and love good: this is what JTF is about, Torah, and Kahane.
I see with ben that it is the genes. He is a boy without GD and Torah. And any Jew without either without humbility is as lost as a deformed jew. There is a limit with my patience and trust, benny. When you come around and if u do, I'll be here waiting. But until then, I will fight you until your heart bleeds.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
you have a little mistake.only arabs can be considered as whites under some definitions.hispanics are racilay mixed.
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I see with ben that it is the genes. He is a boy without GD and Torah. And any Jew without either without humbility is as lost as a deformed jew. There is a limit with my patience and trust, benny. When you come around and if u do, I'll be here waiting. But until then, I will fight you until your heart bleeds.
i hope you have agreat will to fight.beacuse you will need all of it.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
you have a little mistake.only arabs can be considered as whites under some definitions.hispanics are racilay mixed.
you can get white mexicans, white latinos, white brazilians etc...
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Again, for the record: White is a color, not a Race of homo sapiens.
Race is Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid with a very few minor subsets difficult to ascertain by scientists.
The more you talk "white" vs "black" for race, the more you waste time.
(Maybe it's just MassuhD who's wasting his time posting serious replies.)
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
you have a little mistake.only arabs can be considered as whites under some definitions.hispanics are racilay mixed.
you can get white mexicans, white latinos, white brazilians etc...
in theory you can get white people from latin america.most of them aren't whites but white/amerindian mix.
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Again, for the record: White is a color, not a Race of homo sapiens.
Race is Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid with a very few minor subsets difficult to ascertain by scientists.
The more you talk "white" vs "black" for race, the more you waste time.
(Maybe it's just MassuhD who's wasting his time posting serious replies.)
if you will look carefully you will see that: white=caucasoids. and blacks=negroids.it didn't convenient and it is sound lame to write all the time cucasoid/negroid so we are calling them whites'asians and blacks.
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Someone has attributed a quote to me of which I have no connection whatsoever.
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Skkie,
If you were dying from an incurable disease and a black man with the same blood type was available to donate an organ which you needed, would you refuse the organ because of these 'genetic differences' you talk about? I think you would be a fool to die rather than be saved by an organ from a black man. You do realize that some blacks have the same blood types as some whites...
Of course I would take the organ(although same race transplants go better) but that is completely irrelevant and is in no way conflicting with any ideology I hold.
This is for skiie and those of who call themselves WN: I think somethings are getting lost in translation. Yes most of us including me woukd choose a white neighborhood over a black one. Not because of genetics, but because of the behavioral trend the vast majority of blacks have. If there was a black neighborhood where the opposite existed, like most white neighborhoods, then both are fine. Except the good black neighborhoods don't really exist.
I want the WN people here to know that what they hate about 99 percent of blacks is their culture and behavior. The trend they carry deserves a lack of trust and guilty until proven innocent. However the way you guys are expressing it makes it out that it is the genetics that makes them inferior... Klu klux klan and nazis say the same but they have no concept of reality. What makes an alan keyes and pastor manning noble is their behavior and fear of Gd and loving humanity. We don't acquire this from birth or in our y or x chromosomes. This is learned or divine intervention.
I hate it when people make excuses to hate because of someone elses genetic make up.
But to hate evil and love good: this is what JTF is about, Torah, and Kahane.
I see with ben that it is the genes. He is a boy without GD and Torah. And any Jew without either without humbility is as lost as a deformed jew. There is a limit with my patience and trust, benny. When you come around and if u do, I'll be here waiting. But until then, I will fight you until your heart bleeds.
You're ignoring something:
1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
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1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
Translation:
"I am a pedophile and I love to screw little boys. I prefer little white boys but I'll do kids of any race. I hate those terrible, rotten Jews because their Bible forbids doing what I was born to do."
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1. White Nationalism is based on the principle of genetic survival for the White Race and the creation of a nation(s) intended to do that. Any other reason is superfluous and while individual White Nationalists may support additional ideologies we all share this common goal.
Translation:
"I am a pedophile and I love to screw little boys. I prefer little white boys but I'll do kids of any race. I hate those terrible, rotten Jews because their Bible forbids doing what I was born to do."
you are completely idiot.i realy don't care what do you think.
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Someone has attributed a quote to me of which I have no connection whatsoever.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
Well said, Maimonides. You hit the nail on the head with this.
As far as ethnicity, Jews are a middle eastern people descending from Avraham - a middle eastern man. The limited amount of divergent genetics in today's populations is cultural and historical baggage/alteration, which occurred to a greater extent with Jews who were separated from Middle eastern land and culture for the longest. It takes very little interbreeding/conversion to take on physical characteristics of the surrounding population over hundreds of years. In any case, irrelevant.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans.
There are some good blacks too. What's your point?
There are even some good "Muslims" who are not properly following their religion. There are "some good" in every population. This does not help your case.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans.
There are some good blacks too. What's your point?
There are even some good "Muslims" who are not properly following their religion. There are "some good" in every population. This does not help your case.
yes but the amount of good germans is prportionaly lager than the amount of good blacks.i don't belive in any good muslim apart from a dead one.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans.
There are some good blacks too. What's your point?
There are even some good "Muslims" who are not properly following their religion. There are "some good" in every population. This does not help your case.
yes but the amount of good germans is prportionaly lager than the amount of good blacks.i don't belive in any good muslim apart from a dead one.
Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans.
There are some good blacks too. What's your point?
There are even some good "Muslims" who are not properly following their religion. There are "some good" in every population. This does not help your case.
My point was a very good one, the reason i used germans was because we had a war with them, and gladly defeated them. My point was insinuating that if we went with this silly principle of 'because they are a few decent germans we should not fought back against germany". Same point stands with blacks, just because of pastor manning and alan keys, does not mean we cannot generalise blacks since they hate jews.
Black people on the whole are scum. Thats not racist. The evidence completely backs this up. They score lower in iq tests whether they be in the uk.US or in africa/jamacia. Again this is fact.
I find it bizarre that lately some of the jewish members have gone all politcally correct on us, it shows even in our movement we need to wake up.
Thank goodness we have chaim, a leader for all. We are all pro jewish on this forum as far as i am aware, so i am fed up people like dr brennan fan, lisa and muman etc acusing very good jewish and gentile mebers of being nazis when they are ust speaking the truth about blacks.
Diasgree, yes, we all cant agree, if you want to think blacks people are wonderful, and want israel to have spears being chucked iran instead of your brilliant air force then so be it. But please dont call people white supremacists/nazis then evidecen shows the opposite.
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans.
There are some good blacks too. What's your point?
There are even some good "Muslims" who are not properly following their religion. There are "some good" in every population. This does not help your case.
yes but the amount of good germans is prportionaly lager than the amount of good blacks.i don't belive in any good muslim apart from a dead one.
Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
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This whole genetic and race argument is ignoring the fact that Arabs and Hispanics are RACIALLY considered WHITE! IF you want to look at genetics the majority of Jews probably have more DNA similarities to Arabs than Europeans. Blond hair blue eyed Jews are a minority among the Jewish people.
Now if you want to ignore that fact and just focus on Europeans fine. Look at the barbaric EVIL acts of the Germans and Slavic nations towards the Jews. The fact is that all nations of all races have the capability of doing evil, and at some point in history have committed atrocious acts. The MAJORITY of Germans supported the Holocaust!
All this talk of the need for Jews to identify themselves as white, ignores the fact that Judaism is not about race, and that hiding behind a white identity is NOT going to stop the Anti-semites whether they be black or white Nazis from attacking Jews. The Jewish nation is compromised of people based on their beliefs NOT race!
But by your own arguement you have admitted that there ar good germans.
There are some good blacks too. What's your point?
There are even some good "Muslims" who are not properly following their religion. There are "some good" in every population. This does not help your case.
My point was a very good one, the reason i used germans was because we had a war with them, and gladly defeated them. My point was insinuating that if we went with this silly principle of 'because they are a few decent germans we should not fought back against germany". Same point stands with blacks, just because of pastor manning and alan keys, does not mean we cannot generalise blacks since they hate jews.
Black people on the whole are scum. Thats not racist. The evidence completely backs this up. They score lower in iq tests whether they be in the uk.US or in africa/jamacia. Again this is fact.
I find it bizarre that lately some of the jewish members have gone all politcally correct on us, it shows even in our movement we need to wake up.
Thank goodness we have chaim, a leader for all. We are all pro jewish on this forum as far as i am aware, so i am fed up people like dr brennan fan, lisa and muman etc acusing very good jewish and gentile mebers of being nazis when they are ust speaking the truth about blacks.
Diasgree, yes, we all cant agree, if you want to think blacks people are wonderful, and want israel to have spears being chucked iran instead of your brilliant air force then so be it. But please dont call people white supremacists/nazis then evidecen shows the opposite.
i agree about your points and about brennan.he sent me and sky a message with a porn posters saying that we want to be raped by white models.he is a sick person.
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My point was a very good one,
Of course you think so. Otherwise why would you have said it?
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
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I think the non-Jewish members who are insulting Jewish members here are out of line.
It is not the Jewish way to spend a lot of time hating other people. It is not one of our commandments. A religious person should not spend a lot of time hating. Hate should only be used in order to rebuke those on the wrong path, and if they don't change and are enemies, they should be fought in a war.
I dont spend any time hating anyone. I hold onto my hatred of Islam and Nazism, and they are the only things I can say I truly hate. The black culture is something I rebuke and there are blacks who I have influenceed around me. I live in a mixed neighborhood but those who live around me respect me, and they do not blast their music because I have openly complained and protested to them. I have confronted gang bangers and triumphed. I do not fear them, I do not back down from them.
I find this anti-Black sentiment to be a detour on the road that JTF should really be pursuing. This is not the Racist center or another form of PedoFront {which we seem to attract a lot of members}... I am here only because I want to defeat the monster known as Islam. I also want to do what I can do same America from the Muslim Nazi who currently occupies the White House...
I will not join in hating races. It is not Jewish to do so, and I am a religious Jew who spends long hours davening, studing, and perfecting the world...
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I find it bizarre that lately some of the jewish members have gone all politcally correct on us, it shows even in our movement we need to wake up.
Thank goodness we have chaim, a leader for all. We are all pro jewish on this forum as far as i am aware, so i am fed up people like dr brennan fan, lisa and muman etc acusing very good jewish and gentile mebers of being nazis when they are ust speaking the truth about blacks.
This is ludicrous. The people you mention are the heart of this forum and movement. If you are fed up with Lisa, perhaps I'm fed up with you. And in that case, you know what you can do with yourself if you don't like the forum, but these people are the JTF. I understand if you don't like certain things certain members may say or do and you can criticize, but to separate these people from JTF as a whole (or at least how you see JTF as its ideal sense) and say you are sick of them and call them out personally? How dare you?
Diasgree, yes, we all cant agree, if you want to think blacks people are wonderful, and want israel to have spears being chucked iran instead of your brilliant air force then so be it.
Is this a threat? It boggles the mind that you think threatening Israel is a positive contribution to this forum. In your mind the "real JTF" is whatever your imagination fancies it, but the hilarious part is that you think Chaim is with you. What you are saying is once again white supremacist bunk, and proves my point like I have said from the beginning. Ultimately these white supremacist nazi scumbags support the enemies of the Jewish people. They do not see Jews as belonging to their "white race." I don't want to belong to your "white race" you muslim-loving criminal. Jews don't "need" white supremacists nor do we "need" anyone.
But please dont call people white supremacists/nazis then evidecen shows the opposite.
Aww, are your feelings hurt?
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I think the non-Jewish members who are insulting Jewish members here are out of line.
It is not the Jewish way to spend a lot of time hating other people. It is not one of our commandments. A religious person should not spend a lot of time hating. Hate should only be used in order to rebuke those on the wrong path, and if they don't change and are enemies, they should be fought in a war.
I dont spend any time hating anyone. I hold onto my hatred of Islam and Nazism, and they are the only things I can say I truly hate. The black culture is something I rebuke and there are blacks who I have influenceed around me. I live in a mixed neighborhood but those who live around me respect me, and they do not blast their music because I have openly complained and protested to them. I have confronted gang bangers and triumphed. I do not fear them, I do not back down from them.
I find this anti-Black sentiment to be a detour on the road that JTF should really be pursuing. This is not the Racist center or another form of PedoFront {which we seem to attract a lot of members}... I am here only because I want to defeat the monster known as Islam. I also want to do what I can do same America from the Muslim Nazi who currently occupies the White House...
I will not join in hating races. It is not Jewish to do so, and I am a religious Jew who spends long hours davening, studing, and perfecting the world...
There is no evidecne tha we attract StørmFrønt members, so thats a complete fallacy and scare mongering on your part, you are better than that muman.
Also non jews insulting jews is wrong, but where has that been happening. Tahe only insulting ive been seeing is dr brennan fan insulting gentile and jewish members, calling them and i quote "faggots" and wanting them to be banned, because they dispise black culture more than him.
As for this anti black sentiment, its becaiuse they are against israel, the vast majority of blacks hate jews, hate israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv1wbWGds2s
Wathc this video, do you want blacks in irael to be like this...blacks hate you, get use to it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5MPkDV3gDU
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KWRBT,
I don't think Chaim is watching closely what these 'people' are saying. I know that over time he will realize that we are dealing with some really far-right neo-nazis or something. They are certainly not Jewish... They seem to be attracted to JTF in order to express their hatred of the Black. .. We somewhat share that sentiment but not in a racial way. We at JTF have said many times that we support Jewish culture, righteous gentile culture, and stand against immoral black culture. But it is going too far to claim that individuals are born evil because of the color of their skin.
What I state is not moderate position. It is the position I believe that Kahanism espouses. I do not believe Kahanism=Racism... That is a cannard that the enemies of Kahane invented...
I hope that Chaim sees the true nature of these new members soon.
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I don't believe people are born evil, but I do think all people are born with a tendency toward evil, which they must learn to combat in their daily lives with God's help. I will say I don't think you can entirely divorce genes from culture, but that never means that someone can't overcome the challenges that are set before them and be a good person regardless. I don't think God ever gives someone a challenge that they are unable to overcome.
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
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Not all blacks hate Jews. I live in a neighborhood where everyone knows I am a Jew. I live in a mixed neighborhood, I daven in my front yard, I have my mezzuzah up, wear tzittzits and kippah... They know I am a Jew and you know what... They all seem to love me... At the grocery store the black security guard loves to talk to me... My black neighbor used to love to read scripture with me. I also know a few black Jews... A few are Jewish by birth and another is a convert... All are righteous people..
I also am quite aware of the dark side of black culture. I lived with crack addicts for a year when I was in my 20s... I got my nose broken in a fight with the LA CRIPS back in the 80s also... I have many reasons I could hate them... But it is not good for a Jew to hate, it destroys the soul {If you like I will find the writing either in Ethics of the Fathers, or in other sources of scripture}.
The best that a Jew can do is to educate his children, and his family, and his community to the truth. In my opinion the only truth which will save all mankind is the Torah. The way we can change the world is to learn, and to teach the Torah to the Jewish people and eventually to the nations.
Exclusion, Extermination, etc... They will always fail...
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I don't believe people are born evil, but I do think all people are born with a tendency toward evil, which they must learn to combat in their daily lives with G-d's help. I will say I don't think you can entirely divorce genes from culture, but that never means that someone can't overcome the challenges that are set before them and be a good person regardless. I don't think G-d ever gives someone a challenge that they are unable to overcome.
Exactly. Last night I listened to a Shuir by a Rabbi entitled "Ordeals" @ http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Asaf_Haimoff/2010-05-04/Ordeals/Rabbi__Asaf_Haimoff__Ordeals__2010-05-04.wmv (http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Asaf_Haimoff/2010-05-04/Ordeals/Rabbi__Asaf_Haimoff__Ordeals__2010-05-04.wmv) which says exactly what you brought out... That Hashem doesn't give us challenges if we are not able to overcome it...
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KWRBT,
I don't think Chaim is watching closely what these 'people' are saying. I know that over time he will realize that we are dealing with some really far-right neo-nazis or something. They are certainly not Jewish... They seem to be attracted to JTF in order to express their hatred of the Black. .. We somewhat share that sentiment but not in a racial way. We at JTF have said many times that we support Jewish culture, righteous gentile culture, and stand against immoral black culture. But it is going too far to claim that individuals are born evil because of the color of their skin.
What I state is not moderate position. It is the position I believe that Kahanism espouses. I do not believe Kahanism=Racism... That is a cannard that the enemies of Kahane invented...
I hope that Chaim sees the true nature of these new members soon.
even if they are neo nazies trolls they are far better than some of the people here like dr. brennan you are a faggot fan.
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KWRBT,
I don't think Chaim is watching closely what these 'people' are saying. I know that over time he will realize that we are dealing with some really far-right neo-nazis or something. They are certainly not Jewish... They seem to be attracted to JTF in order to express their hatred of the Black. .. We somewhat share that sentiment but not in a racial way. We at JTF have said many times that we support Jewish culture, righteous gentile culture, and stand against immoral black culture. But it is going too far to claim that individuals are born evil because of the color of their skin.
What I state is not moderate position. It is the position I believe that Kahanism espouses. I do not believe Kahanism=Racism... That is a cannard that the enemies of Kahane invented...
I hope that Chaim sees the true nature of these new members soon.
you have to use evidence to back these points up muman. Calling people pedophiles and nazis when you do not have a shread of evidence is very damaging thing to do. Put it this way this is why chaim is the leader and not you, because whether jew or gentile, he rallies everyone behind for israel. Show me anti israel posts. Show me an anti semitic thread? Show me hatred towards israel from any jew or gentile on here.
The closest you have is ben, and hes a jew living in israel whos only 16. He learning, and from where i am sitting seesm more mature then some of the older members on here.
Who has claimed that people are born evil? Its hightly likely blacks will be raised to do evil things as statisically 70 percent of them are single parent homes. But borm evil?i have not seen that.
As for the treatment of RWG, i think its been disgraceful, The guy has jewish friends, and has a photgraphic memory of all of chaims shows dating back from the beggining. His jewish frend with his name beggining with g" is jewish, but also proud to be white, whats wring with that?How does that make you nazi?
RWG has said no different things to what chaim has said, chaim has said tongue in cheekly that black people should claim the real history back such as "king kong". Also RWG asked a post about a black in his question, usinig his posting style, directly to chaim last week. Chaim did no bat an eyelid.
Chaim is a very intelligent experienced politician, more astute than all of us. So i trust his judge of character over me or you.
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
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I don't believe people are born evil, but I do think all people are born with a tendency toward evil, which they must learn to combat in their daily lives with G-d's help. I will say I don't think you can entirely divorce genes from culture, but that never means that someone can't overcome the challenges that are set before them and be a good person regardless. I don't think G-d ever gives someone a challenge that they are unable to overcome.
Exactly. Last night I listened to a Shuir by a Rabbi entitled "Ordeals" @ http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Asaf_Haimoff/2010-05-04/Ordeals/Rabbi__Asaf_Haimoff__Ordeals__2010-05-04.wmv (http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Asaf_Haimoff/2010-05-04/Ordeals/Rabbi__Asaf_Haimoff__Ordeals__2010-05-04.wmv) which says exactly what you brought out... That Hashem doesn't give us challenges if we are not able to overcome it...
That's really cool Muman. :)
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
The fact that you capitalize WHITE over JEW shows that you are misguided. Jews come in all colors. As for the black hebros, those are NOT GENUINE Jews. However, there are genuine black JEWS that live mostly in Israel. As for the Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews, they are as dark as Arabs and certainly do not look like European whites, BUT they are some of the most devout Jews in the world. Your ideology is not Judaism, but a white version of the black herbros that seeks to twist the Jewish nation into a nation that is NOT based on belief in Hashem, but a belief in racial purity.
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
The fact that you capitalize WHITE over JEW shows that you are misguided. Jews come in all colors. As for the black hebros, those are NOT GENUINE Jews. However, there are genuine black JEWS that live mostly in Israel. As for the Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews, they are as dark as Arabs and certainly do not look like European whites, BUT they are some of the most devout Jews in the world. Your ideology is not Judaism, but a white version of the black herbros that seeks to twist the Jewish nation into a nation that is NOT based on belief in Hashem, but a belief in racial purity.
Right on!
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
The fact that you capitalize WHITE over JEW shows that you are misguided. Jews come in all colors. As for the black hebros, those are NOT GENUINE Jews. However, there are genuine black JEWS that live mostly in Israel. As for the Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews, they are as dark as Arabs and certainly do not look like European whites, BUT they are some of the most devout Jews in the world. Your ideology is not Judaism, but a white version of the black herbros that seeks to twist the Jewish nation into a nation that is NOT based on belief in Hashem, but a belief in racial purity.
now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.i don't accept ANY black jew beacuse there are no such a thing as a black jew.they aren't genuine jews they are christian imposters.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
It's sad that you have no idea what you're talking about. What statistics? You invented them?
Can you please tell me what the British Muslims have to do with British policy decisions? How did they influence them?
Was it British Muslims who decided to invade Iraq along side the US troops? Was it British Muslims who decided that the #1 partner in the war on terror with the US and the invasion of Iraqi muslims would be Britain? And is that why jihadis blew up trains in london? Because they were angry with Muslim policymakers? Let's please start making sense. The british govt policy is not made by muslims.
Even if muslims present in Europe influenced policy decisions, which they don't (look at france they banned the muslim veil so how much do they care about resident muslim "opinion"? Muslims are not in power there), but even if they did, why does that excuse whites for their own actions and their own decisions in your opinion? Just because they have white skin? They get a free pass do try to destroy Israel? And they get a free pass to be influenced by Muslim nazism?
How do you distinguish between these things: German nazism? Muslim Nazism? European Jew-hatred and Israel-hatred influenced by Muslim nazism? And European Israel-hatred independent of any resident Muslim nazism in the local mosques? Do you distinguish between these morally? And from where do you draw your ethics?
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic [censored].i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
It's sad that you have no idea what you're talking about. What statistics? You invented them?
Can you please tell me what the British Muslims have to do with British policy decisions? How did they influence them?
Was it British Muslims who decided to invade Iraq along side the US troops? Was it British Muslims who decided that the #1 partner in the war on terror with the US and the invasion of Iraqi muslims would be Britain? And is that why jihadis blew up trains in london? Because they were angry with Muslim policymakers? Let's please start making sense. The british govt policy is not made by muslims.
Even if muslims present in Europe influenced policy decisions, which they don't (look at france they banned the muslim veil so how much do they care about resident muslim "opinion"? Muslims are not in power there), but even if they did, why does that excuse whites for their own actions and their own decisions in your opinion? Just because they have white skin? They get a free pass do try to destroy Israel? And they get a free pass to be influenced by Muslim nazism?
How do you distinguish between these things: German nazism? Muslim Nazism? European Jew-hatred and Israel-hatred influenced by Muslim nazism? And European Israel-hatred independent of any resident Muslim nazism in the local mosques? Do you distinguish between these morally? And from where do you draw your ethics?
you can ask christian4jews this questions,he knows much more than me about the muslim plague in the united kingdom.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
i don't accept ANY black jew beacuse there are no such a thing as a black jew.they aren't genuine jews they are christian imposters.
Really? All the rabbis disagree with you. Why would they have accepted imposters? You think they are interested in doing that? Do you realize how strict conversion standards are and how strict these rabbis are with potential olim that do not have proven Jewish background? And you think they'll just allow a bunch of christian phonies to walk in pretending they're Jewish? Even AFTER they've gone through official/formal gerus on the side of caution to remove any doubts, that you call them imposters and not genuine is simply baseless hatred.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
You really are dumb enough to ask that? who are YOU to say that all Ethiopians Jews are bad being based on knowing some of them?
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Are you kidding me? :o
After the majority of Germans supported the holocaust and murdered 6 million Jews?! How can you possibly say this? Something is seriously wrong here, kid. You are not thinking straight.
You are fooled by culture and 'white'/European political correctness and 'niceties.' Germans Jews were also fooled until it all exploded. History proved them wrong. Now only the delusional can still be fooled because the delusional refuses to see.
Do you not understand that Europeans still hate Jews and that this underlies their positions regarding Israel and the Fakestinian nazis?
look it is true that a large proportion of the erupean population are anti israel.but a large population segment in europe is a muslim and this groups are overlapped,mostly/
What are you talking about? What do you mean by "overlapped" ?
If you are saying that the European hatred for Israel stems from Muslims residing there, you are woefully uninformed and certainly mistaken. However, I am not sure what exactly you are saying.
yep'you understood correctly what i am saying.
In that case, where did you get that from? You are completely wrong. Muslims or no Muslims, Europe hates Israel. You can't blame Muslims for european behavior and actions. You have to face facts. We, as Jews, are not Europeans and never were Europeans. And they will never see us that way. It may hurt for you but it's the reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
i get that from statistical data.and i don't know about you but i am considering myself as a proud WHITE jew.
It's sad that you have no idea what you're talking about. What statistics? You invented them?
Can you please tell me what the British Muslims have to do with British policy decisions? How did they influence them?
Was it British Muslims who decided to invade Iraq along side the US troops? Was it British Muslims who decided that the #1 partner in the war on terror with the US and the invasion of Iraqi muslims would be Britain? And is that why jihadis blew up trains in london? Because they were angry with Muslim policymakers? Let's please start making sense. The british govt policy is not made by muslims.
Even if muslims present in Europe influenced policy decisions, which they don't (look at france they banned the muslim veil so how much do they care about resident muslim "opinion"? Muslims are not in power there), but even if they did, why does that excuse whites for their own actions and their own decisions in your opinion? Just because they have white skin? They get a free pass do try to destroy Israel? And they get a free pass to be influenced by Muslim nazism?
How do you distinguish between these things: German nazism? Muslim Nazism? European Jew-hatred and Israel-hatred influenced by Muslim nazism? And European Israel-hatred independent of any resident Muslim nazism in the local mosques? Do you distinguish between these morally? And from where do you draw your ethics?
you can ask christian4jews this questions,he knows much more than me about the muslim plague in the united kingdom.
Did "christian4jews" show you statistics? Or were you not being fully honest before when you said you were basing your opinion on statistics. Come on, don't hide behind some other guy knowing answers for you. You are just admitting your ignorance here. Your mistaken views are built on a house of cards. They are built on ignorance.
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
Correct.
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
LOL, ok so you intend to sell out the rest of your mizrachi brothers (and all other "non-white-looking" Jewish brothers) in the hopes that you "look white enough" that none of your WN and white supremacist friends will ever find out that under that pasty, white-looking skin of yours, *gasp* you are actually a Jew! But let the other "darky" Jews who didn't get born with white skin go to hell, huh? You make me sick.
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Time for two more points since I see this conversation has changed topic again.
1. I can't name a single European Nationalist party who wants to destroy Israel. Some may want to cut funding and no longer involve themselves in the Middle East but that is quite different then destroy. You're more likely to get support from us(the evil racists), then you will from the left.
2. They hate people who have pushed policies detrimental to the racial and cultural makeup of their country. I think their hatred is quite reasonable.
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Ben, didn't you say on the Hebrew forum that you're 3/4 Mizrahi?
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BTW Ben, I think you mentioned that you are part Yemenite and Mizrachi from your father's side... so... at least genetically, about 50% of your genes come from the darker side of the Jewish spectrum. Are you even white ? Do you think other whites consider Yemenites as white ?
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
Btw, there is no such thing as "pure ashkenazi" because we today cannot know for sure what pure ashkenazi looks like except from looking at photographs from more than 60 years ago. The European Jews did not look "white" as much as Europeans do, and even those in the past quite likely were not as white as Ashkenazi Jews are as a whole today. But since 1/3 of the world's Jews were wiped out, 2/3 of Jews in Europe at that time, their genes were eradicated from our Jewish population by those "benevolent" Europeans you love so much, so how can we really know for sure?
Of course Yemenites never looked white, but that is besides the point. It is quite sad and tragic that a Yemenite would seek to identify with "white culture" and attach himself to something that is so foreign and so removed from the Yemenite identity when in reality Yemenite Jews have much to be proud of in their own illustrious history and out of all groups within Jewry, I probably have the most respect for them personally. Aside from my personal opinion, no one can or would argue that Yemenite Jewry is not an illustrious chapter in Jewish history with so much to be proud of and to embrace culturally. Why you have to chase after whites is rather confusing, but clearly this is mostly based in ignorance so it's not such a wonder.
BTW, would it hurt to write normal sentences with punctuation and capital letters at the beginning etc? Otherwise it's quite annoying and at times looks like gibberish.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
well i can contray his point easily.i am studing in a predominantly russian school.they are wonderfull people with great culture and i know arabs and ethiopians and they are awfull,
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
LOL, ok so you intend to sell out the rest of your mizrachi brothers (and all other "non-white-looking" Jewish brothers) in the hopes that you "look white enough" that none of your WN and white supremacist friends will ever find out that under that pasty, white-looking skin of yours, *gasp* you are actually a Jew! But let the other "darky" Jews who didn't get born with white skin go to hell, huh? You make me sick.
no i never said such a thing.all the jews are kazar whites.this is my point.
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Ben, didn't you say on the Hebrew forum that you're 3/4 Mizrahi?
yes.and i am proud in my ancestry.what i am saying is that the mizrahis are kazars that fled to the abbasid chaliphate when the russian conquered their kingdom.
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
LOL, ok so you intend to sell out the rest of your mizrachi brothers (and all other "non-white-looking" Jewish brothers) in the hopes that you "look white enough" that none of your WN and white supremacist friends will ever find out that under that pasty, white-looking skin of yours, *gasp* you are actually a Jew! But let the other "darky" Jews who didn't get born with white skin go to hell, huh? You make me sick.
no i never said such a thing.all the jews are kazar whites.this is my point.
What?!
??? ???
Please explain what you mean.
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Ben, didn't you say on the Hebrew forum that you're 3/4 Mizrahi?
yes.and i am proud in my ancestry.what i am saying is that the mizrahis are kazars that fled to the abbasid chaliphate when the russian conquered their kingdom.
:o :o :o
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
well i can contray his point easily.i am studing in a predominantly russian school.they are wonderfull people with great culture and i know arabs and ethiopians and they are awfull,
I'm a Russian Jew and I'm really sorry Hitler and Stalin didn't wipe the Russian (non-Jewish) people out.
And my cousin is married to a Jewish Ethiopian girl and she's one of the best people I ever known, so what?
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Ben, didn't you say on the Hebrew forum that you're 3/4 Mizrahi?
yes.and i am proud in my ancestry.what i am saying is that the mizrahis are kazars that fled to the abbasid chaliphate when the russian conquered their kingdom.
That's not true historically. That's a lie. You might have even made it up yourself?
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
LOL, ok so you intend to sell out the rest of your mizrachi brothers (and all other "non-white-looking" Jewish brothers) in the hopes that you "look white enough" that none of your WN and white supremacist friends will ever find out that under that pasty, white-looking skin of yours, *gasp* you are actually a Jew! But let the other "darky" Jews who didn't get born with white skin go to hell, huh? You make me sick.
no i never said such a thing.all the jews are kazar whites.this is my point.
What?!
??? ???
Please explain what you mean.
all the jews in the world are of kazar origins even stromfront posters didn't deny this.so since the kazars were whites or at least partially whites (native kazar mix with salvic and nordic dna) all of today jews are whites.
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Ben, didn't you say on the Hebrew forum that you're 3/4 Mizrahi?
yes.and i am proud in my ancestry.what i am saying is that the mizrahis are kazars that fled to the abbasid chaliphate when the russian conquered their kingdom.
That's not true historically. That's a lie.
this is the historicall truth and you need to be pride in your white ancestry.
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
LOL, ok so you intend to sell out the rest of your mizrachi brothers (and all other "non-white-looking" Jewish brothers) in the hopes that you "look white enough" that none of your WN and white supremacist friends will ever find out that under that pasty, white-looking skin of yours, *gasp* you are actually a Jew! But let the other "darky" Jews who didn't get born with white skin go to hell, huh? You make me sick.
no i never said such a thing.all the jews are kazar whites.this is my point.
What?!
??? ???
Please explain what you mean.
all the jews in the world are of kazar origins even stromfront posters didn't deny this.so since the kazars were whites or at least partially whites (native kazar mix with salvic and nordic dna) all of today jews are whites.
"Khazars" didn't exist yet in the Talmudic period. So what explains all the archaeological finds from the Talmudic period of Jewish artifacts?
And what of the Second Temple period findings and even first temple period findings where all of these Jews lived in Eretz Yisrael and other parts of the middle east, namely Bavel. These were not khazars, but these were Jews.
Do you deny all of this?
I don't know who taught you this ahistorical nonsense you are speaking, but they should be held criminally liable!
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Our continuous history as a nation (Am Yisrael) dates back to slavery in Egypt which was ~1300 BCE.
No sign of khazars in history until the 7th century CE - That would be the 600's CE.
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now,as half mizrahi jew i know what they look like.they are still caucasoids.
Wow! Not only are fully ashkenazi Jews not considered "white" by europeans and by "white nationalists" and white supremacists, but you're even half Mizrachi and you think you have a chance! LOL. Funny if it wasn't so sad. Mizrachim do not have white skin color, no matter how you wish to theoretically analyze things. And no "white nationalist" will ever buy your arguments to explain away middle eastern skin color. Needless to say, you are not the only one on the forum who knows what sephardi and mizrachi Jews look like. So you're not fooling anyone by calling them fancy names.
if i hadn;t told you you would never guest i am half mizrachi.i look like a pure ashkenazi and even whiter than some.
LOL, ok so you intend to sell out the rest of your mizrachi brothers (and all other "non-white-looking" Jewish brothers) in the hopes that you "look white enough" that none of your WN and white supremacist friends will ever find out that under that pasty, white-looking skin of yours, *gasp* you are actually a Jew! But let the other "darky" Jews who didn't get born with white skin go to hell, huh? You make me sick.
no i never said such a thing.all the jews are kazar whites.this is my point.
What?!
??? ???
Please explain what you mean.
all the jews in the world are of kazar origins even stromfront posters didn't deny this.so since the kazars were whites or at least partially whites (native kazar mix with salvic and nordic dna) all of today jews are whites.
"Khazars" didn't exist yet in the Talmudic period. So what explains all the archaeological finds from the Talmudic period of Jewish artifacts?
And what of the Second Temple period findings and even first temple period findings where all of these Jews lived in Eretz Yisrael and other parts of the middle east, namely Bavel. These were not khazars, but these were Jews.
Do you deny all of this?
I don't know who taught you this ahistorical nonsense you are speaking, but they should be held criminally liable!
they were all exterminated by the roman after the bar cochva rebellions.the rest became our enemies-the palestinians. i realy don't know why are you ashamed in your white heritage.
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So you're saying that all the real Jews were either exterminated or became "Palestinians" and you're a proud Khazar? This is the myth that all the enemies of the Jewish people promote. There were Jews all over the world at the time of the Khazars, not all Jews come from Khazars. And the Palestinians are part of the Arab people, and settled in Israel from many different Arab countries. Their origins are not from the Jewish people.
well'i actually heard from antisemites the opposite bias.that they are the true kazars and we are just an arabs.
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"Khazars" didn't exist yet in the Talmudic period. So what explains all the archaeological finds from the Talmudic period of Jewish artifacts?
And what of the Second Temple period findings and even first temple period findings where all of these Jews lived in Eretz Yisrael and other parts of the middle east, namely Bavel. These were not khazars, but these were Jews.
Do you deny all of this?
I don't know who taught you this ahistorical nonsense you are speaking, but they should be held criminally liable!
they were all exterminated by the roman after the bar cochva rebellions.the rest became our enemies-the palestinians. i realy don't know why are you ashamed in your white heritage.
I can't be ashamed of something that isn't true.
What you are saying is ahistorical bunk. Complete nonsense. It is historical fact that there were surviving Jews after the Bar Kochva revolt. The Romans murdered significant #'s of Jews, it was a holocaust without doubt, but they did NOT wipe out All the Jews! What an absurd claim! There was never such a thing as a "Palestinian" until the 19th century, and this term referred to JEWS who migrated to the Palestine Mandate (or were already living there). Our arab enemy only adopted this name in the 1960's when they created a fake identity and fake nationhood to deceive the world and blame Jews for its problems.
You cannot be serious in the things you are saying. You would be laughed at and ridiculed for saying this dishonest garbage in any American institution of learning. I don't know who is feeding you these lies, but they are deceiving you!
Not only did Jews maintain a presence in Eretz Yisrael after the Bar Kochva revolt, they remained there under the Byzantine reign which followed the Roman empire, the subsequent arab invasions, etc. And there were also Jewish populations that took root in new places throughout the Roman empire after this destruction and the expulsion that followed. Jews ended up in places like France, Germany, Italy, etc. Many Jews were even sold into slavery by the Romans after the revolt. They sold dead people as slaves? Get real.
And Jews were also living in Bavel (Babylon) at the time of the Bar Kochva revolt, and they did not come to Israel and they did not fight in the revolt. In fact, they never left their places in Bavel throughout the entire Second Temple period when Ezra called upon all the Jews to return and reestablish our homeland in Eretz Yisrael after the first exile. And these Jews in Babylon also moved to places in Europe, North Africa, and most commonly, to Spain, hence the term "Sephardic." Do you realize that the Crusades (of 1099) are a tragic moment in Jewish history because on their way to fight the Arabs to take control over the "Holy land" Christian crusaders pillaged and rampaged Jewish villages and towns and murdered and massacred many Jews? So who were these Jews if we were all wiped out in the Bar Kochva Revolt? Who were the Jews who were being oppressed ruthlessly by Byzantines in the period from 324-638? Ghosts?
There are no absences of Jewish presence in the archaeological finds from the period of 135 CE to 600's CE, as you would have to claim to make any sense of your kazar-as-the-new-Jews fantasy. On the contrary. Jewish remains and artifacts are in every layer of every era and every period continuously from the Revolt onward. Not to mention that we did have Jewish writings as well. And none of these Jews claimed to come from Khazaria.
Over this period between the Revolt and the 900's the Talmud was developed by all of these Jews - the remnants in Eretz Yisrael and those in Bavel. That is why the Yerushalmi (Jerusalem) Talmud was sealed and published in about the years 350-400. The Babylonian Talmud went through more generations of editing and compilation and was completed much later, several hundred years after. Who were these people? Also ghosts? Jews still existed. And we descend from these Jews.
Btw, Yemenites actually trace themselves to a 2nd Temple period population of Jews which was dispersed from Eretz Yisrael and this is known historically. Thus, their "Yemenite origin" predates the Revolt, and their original home was in Eretz Yisrael. They maintained a continuous community in Yemen from that time in the 2nd temple period (ended 70 CE) until the present day! There were not population migrations from Russia or Khazaria or Ukraine into Yemen. Who can be so audacious and so foolhardy as to deny objective historically proven facts?
For a general survey of Jewish history, you should start with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history
After you have a general command of this material, you can begin to study more in depth questions and the Jewishencylopedia is also a good start. But good grief, you have been misinformed by pseudohistorians and liars.
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So you're saying that all the real Jews were either exterminated or became "Palestinians" and you're a proud Khazar? This is the myth that all the enemies of the Jewish people promote. There were Jews all over the world at the time of the Khazars, not all Jews come from Khazars. And the Palestinians are part of the Arab people, and settled in Israel from many different Arab countries. Their origins are not from the Jewish people.
well'i actually heard from antisemites the opposite bias.that they are the true kazars and we are just an arabs.
What?
Who is the "true kazars" ? And who cares? Why does one want to be a khazar?
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These are honestly some of the silliest things I've ever heard. You should sue whatever school you learned in for the way they brainwashed you with lies. They owe you compensation.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
well i can contray his point easily.i am studing in a predominantly russian school.they are wonderfull people with great culture and i know arabs and ethiopians and they are awfull,
I'm a Russian Jew and I'm really sorry Hitler and Stalin didn't wipe the Russian (non-Jewish) people out.
and you are saying that i am a racist.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
well i can contray his point easily.i am studing in a predominantly russian school.they are wonderfull people with great culture and i know arabs and ethiopians and they are awfull,
I'm a Russian Jew and I'm really sorry Hitler and Stalin didn't wipe the Russian (non-Jewish) people out.
and you are saying that i am a racist.
You are. There is an astronomic difference between our fellow Ethiopian descent brothers and the Slavic Nazis called Russians.
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"Khazars" didn't exist yet in the Talmudic period. So what explains all the archaeological finds from the Talmudic period of Jewish artifacts?
And what of the Second Temple period findings and even first temple period findings where all of these Jews lived in Eretz Yisrael and other parts of the middle east, namely Bavel. These were not khazars, but these were Jews.
Do you deny all of this?
I don't know who taught you this ahistorical nonsense you are speaking, but they should be held criminally liable!
they were all exterminated by the roman after the bar cochva rebellions.the rest became our enemies-the palestinians. i realy don't know why are you ashamed in your white heritage.
I can't be ashamed of something that isn't true.
What you are saying is ahistorical bunk. Complete nonsense. It is historical fact that there were surviving Jews after the Bar Kochva revolt. The Romans murdered significant #'s of Jews, it was a holocaust without doubt, but they did NOT wipe out All the Jews! What an absurd claim! There was never such a thing as a "Palestinian" until the 19th century, and this term referred to JEWS who migrated to the Palestine Mandate (or were already living there). Our arab enemy only adopted this name in the 1960's when they created a fake identity and fake nationhood to deceive the world and blame Jews for its problems.
You cannot be serious in the things you are saying. You would be laughed at and ridiculed for saying this dishonest garbage in any American institution of learning. I don't know who is feeding you these lies, but they are deceiving you!
Not only did Jews maintain a presence in Eretz Yisrael after the Bar Kochva revolt, they remained there under the Byzantine reign which followed the Roman empire, the subsequent arab invasions, etc. And there were also Jewish populations that took root in new places throughout the Roman empire after this destruction and the expulsion that followed. Jews ended up in places like France, Germany, Italy, etc. Many Jews were even sold into slavery by the Romans after the revolt. They sold dead people as slaves? Get real.
And Jews were also living in Bavel (Babylon) at the time of the Bar Kochva revolt, and they did not come to Israel and they did not fight in the revolt. In fact, they never left their places in Bavel throughout the entire Second Temple period when Ezra called upon all the Jews to return and reestablish our homeland in Eretz Yisrael after the first exile. And these Jews in Babylon also moved to places in Europe, North Africa, and most commonly, to Spain, hence the term "Sephardic." Do you realize that the Crusades (of 1099) are a tragic moment in Jewish history because on their way to fight the Arabs to take control over the "Holy land" Christian crusaders pillaged and rampaged Jewish villages and towns and murdered and massacred many Jews? So who were these Jews if we were all wiped out in the Bar Kochva Revolt? Who were the Jews who were being oppressed ruthlessly by Byzantines in the period from 324-638? Ghosts?
There are no absences of Jewish presence in the archaeological finds from the period of 135 C.E. to 600's C.E., as you would have to claim to make any sense of your kazar-as-the-new-Jews fantasy. On the contrary. Jewish remains and artifacts are in every layer of every era and every period continuously from the Revolt onward. Not to mention that we did have Jewish writings as well. And none of these Jews claimed to come from Khazaria.
Over this period between the Revolt and the 900's the Talmud was developed by all of these Jews - the remnants in Eretz Yisrael and those in Bavel. That is why the Yerushalmi (Jerusalem) Talmud was sealed and published in about the years 350-400. The Babylonian Talmud went through more generations of editing and compilation and was completed much later, several hundred years after. Who were these people? Also ghosts? Jews still existed. And we descend from these Jews.
Btw, Yemenites actually trace themselves to a 2nd Temple period population of Jews which was dispersed from Eretz Yisrael and this is known historically. Thus, their "Yemenite origin" predates the Revolt, and their original home was in Eretz Yisrael. They maintained a continuous community in Yemen from that time in the 2nd temple period (ended 70 C.E.) until the present day! There were not population migrations from Russia or Khazaria or Ukraine into Yemen. Who can be so audacious and so foolhardy as to deny objective historically proven facts?
For a general survey of Jewish history, you should start with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history
After you have a general command of this material, you can begin to study more in depth questions and the Jewishencylopedia is also a good start. But good grief, you have been misinformed by pseudohistorians and liars.
so sow me the evidence of jewish existence between 133 and 600 ce
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
well i can contray his point easily.i am studing in a predominantly russian school.they are wonderfull people with great culture and i know arabs and ethiopians and they are awfull,
I'm a Russian Jew and I'm really sorry Hitler and Stalin didn't wipe the Russian (non-Jewish) people out.
and you are saying that i am a racist.
You are. There is an astronomic difference between our fellow Ethiopian descent brothers and the Slavic Nazis called Russians.
actually there is no much difference between slavs and ashkenazi jews.
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Ethiopian Jews are more Jewish than you will ever be. They were even Black Jews in the JDL who are superior to you, filthy WN.
and i thought we had this conversation a moment before in the msn.i will not listen to this idiotic excrement.i am prout white beacuse this is my race.and i am proud in my race and yes.i know many ethiopians and all of them are scum.
I know Russians and I prefer Arabs over them.
what this had to do with this conversation?
Russians are white.
That was his point. It also makes your statement above look ridiculous. We can all say silly subjective things and then build belief systems off of them. But that is very misguided.
well i can contray his point easily.i am studing in a predominantly russian school.they are wonderfull people with great culture and i know arabs and ethiopians and they are awfull,
I'm a Russian Jew and I'm really sorry Hitler and Stalin didn't wipe the Russian (non-Jewish) people out.
and you are saying that i am a racist.
You are. There is an astronomic difference between our fellow Ethiopian descent brothers and the Slavic Nazis called Russians.
actually there is no much difference between slavs and ashkenazi jews.
Even genetically there is and there's much more resmblence genetically among Jews (more than 90%, the Jewish gene is a main factor) but either way that's NOT what makes a person Jewish. Torah is what makes a [censored] who converted to Judaism a Jew from Sweden closer than Skkie and Hitler.
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so sow me the evidence of jewish existence between 133 and 600 C.E.
I just quoted plenty. Did you read it? Again, please write in proper English and fix your typo's.
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=55422931
Unfortunately you need a subscription to see the artwork, but this catalogues Jewish artwork from every period in history. Read this intro to the section called "The minor Arts of the Talmudic period." Talmudic period is exactly the dates you speak of. See how the scientists take for granted the Jewish presence in this time due to the overwhelming numbers of artifacts aside from oral and written history documenting our presence. Anyone denying this would be like someone denying the world is round.
In another thread I also posted findings of artifacts of Jewish life in France in the 600's, in other places in Europe in the 300's and 400's. But all that is not really related here. That was just to establish what is the EARLIEST Jews were in Europe for certain. There were still large population centers remaining in Eretz Yisrael and in Bavel at those times! The evidence is overwhelming.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Rabbinic_Judaism_moves_to_Ashkenaz
Background in the Roman Empire
After the Roman empire had overpowered the Jewish resistance in the First Jewish–Roman War in Judea and destroyed the Jewish temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE, the complete Roman takeover of Judea followed the Bar Kochba rebellion of 132-135 CE. Jews continued to be a majority of the population in [Eretz Yisrael] for several hundred years. However, the Romans no longer recognized the authority of the Sanhedrin or any other Jewish body, and Jews were prohibited from living in Jerusalem. Outside the Roman Empire, a large Jewish community remained in Mesopotamia. Other Jewish populations could be found dispersed around the Mediterranean region, with the largest concentrations in the Levant, Egypt, Asia Minor, Greece, and Italy, including Rome. Smaller communities are recorded in southern Gaul (France), Spain, and North Africa.[13]
Jews were denied full Roman citizenship until 212 CE, when Emperor Caracalla granted all free peoples this privilege. But, as a penalty for the first Jewish Revolt, Jews were required to pay a poll tax until the reign of Emperor Julian in 363. In the late Roman Empire, Jews were free to form networks of cultural and religious ties and enter into various local occupations. But, after Christianity became the official religion of Rome and Constantinople in 380, Jews were increasingly marginalized, and brutally persecuted.
In [Eretz Yisrael] and Mesopotamia, where Jewish religious scholarship was centered, the majority of Jews were still engaged in farming, as demonstrated by the preoccupation of early Talmudic writings with agriculture. In diaspora communities, trade was a common occupation, facilitated by the easy mobility of traders through the dispersed Jewish communities.
Source 13 was Schwartz, Seth (2001). "Imperialism and Jewish Society, 200 BCE to 640 CE. Princeton University Press. pp. 103–128. ISBN 0-691-11781-0.
Did he make it all up? Are Jews all liars? We invented a history for no reason? All the scientists and all the scholars are wrong? But your crazy theory is right?
Can I ask when Julian in 363 required Jews to pay a tax as a punishment for the revolt of 200 years beforehand, what Jews was he penalizing if none existed? The Romans wrote fictitious laws into their documents? Come on, what you are peddling here is nonsense.
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". King Dagobert I of the Franks expelled the Jews from his Merovingian kingdom in 629."
Documented fact, which is recorded in the Franks' history. So if Jews didn't exist, why did he expel them? How?
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What is called the "dead sea Scrolls" aka the Qumran scrolls found in the caves of Qumran, are 200 manuscripts of the Hebrew bible dating from 200 B.C.E. to 100's C.E.. So that does not fall into the period in question as this group of Jews may have died during the revolt, and I am not sure what the exact dating of the latest scroll is.
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http://www.jewishmuseum.net/collections/permanent.html
"Quickly, the Romans became oppressive and two desperate revolts broke out. In 73 C.E. (designating the Common Era, corresponding to A.D.) the Second Temple was destroyed and, in 135 C.E., Jews were expelled from Jerusalem.
The Romans attempted to obliterate the memory of Jewish life in Judea by changing the name of the territory to Palestine, recalling the ancient Philistines. Jews were allowed to enter Jerusalem one day a year, to pray at the ruins of the Second Temple."
So if the Jews were all dead, how did they travel into Jerusalem to pray once a year?
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"Nevertheless, Jews have lived in Gaza since the Talmudic period (200-500 CE). Evidence of its sizeable Jewish population was uncovered in the 1960s by archaeologists who discovered synagogues, elaborate mosaic floors and a relief with Hebrew and Greek inscriptions.
Gaza was eventually conquered by the Byzantines but in 635 it was taken over by the Arabs. Under Arab rule, Jewish life flourished. Rabbi Moses, one of the masoretes (who put the punctuation in the Torah) was among the city’s famous inhabitants. The Jewish community continued in Gaza until the 12th century when it was wiped out by the Crusaders."
http://jewishwebindex.com/israel.htm
If they showed pictures of these things I would post them. But they are most certainly in museums of jewish history. Ever been to the "Diaspora Museum" ? You should check it out and they can show you tons of findings from many different periods and different places. It would be worth hiring a tourguide there and getting an in depth experience.
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"Nevertheless, Jews have lived in Gaza since the Talmudic period (200-500 C.E.). Evidence of its sizeable Jewish population was uncovered in the 1960s by archaeologists who discovered synagogues, elaborate mosaic floors and a relief with Hebrew and Greek inscriptions.
Gaza was eventually conquered by the Byzantines but in 635 it was taken over by the Arabs. Under Arab rule, Jewish life flourished. Rabbi Moses, one of the masoretes (who put the punctuation in the Torah) was among the city’s famous inhabitants. The Jewish community continued in Gaza until the 12th century when it was wiped out by the Crusaders."
http://jewishwebindex.com/israel.htm
If they showed pictures of these things I would post them. But they are most certainly in museums of jewish history. Ever been to the "Diaspora Museum" ? You should check it out and they can show you tons of findings from many different periods and different places. It would be worth hiring a tourguide there and getting an in depth experience.
yes i was in a scoll trip to the european jewry department
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"One of the earliest digs by Israeli archaeologists, Beit Alfa is the site of an ancient Byzantine-era synagogue, constructed in the fifth century CE, with a three-paneled mosaic floor. An Aramaic inscription states that the mosaic was made at the time of Justin (apparently Justin I), who ruled from 518 to 527 CE. The mosaic is one of the most important discovered in Israel. Each of its three panels depicts a scene - the Holy Ark, the zodiac, and the story of the sacrifice of Isaac. The zodiac has the names of the twelve signs in Hebrew. In the center is Helios, the sun god, being whisked away in his chariot by four galloping horses. The four women in the corners of the mosaic represent the four seasons.[18]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Israel#Hellenistic_period
And a picture of the mosaic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beit_Alpha.jpg
All of these things are very easy to find on wikipedia because there are overwhelming arrays of artifacts that no historian ever questioned the continued presence of Jews in the world from the Biblical times to our day.
You are arguing that the sun does not produce heat.
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"Nevertheless, Jews have lived in Gaza since the Talmudic period (200-500 C.E.). Evidence of its sizeable Jewish population was uncovered in the 1960s by archaeologists who discovered synagogues, elaborate mosaic floors and a relief with Hebrew and Greek inscriptions.
Gaza was eventually conquered by the Byzantines but in 635 it was taken over by the Arabs. Under Arab rule, Jewish life flourished. Rabbi Moses, one of the masoretes (who put the punctuation in the Torah) was among the city’s famous inhabitants. The Jewish community continued in Gaza until the 12th century when it was wiped out by the Crusaders."
http://jewishwebindex.com/israel.htm
If they showed pictures of these things I would post them. But they are most certainly in museums of jewish history. Ever been to the "Diaspora Museum" ? You should check it out and they can show you tons of findings from many different periods and different places. It would be worth hiring a tourguide there and getting an in depth experience.
yes i was in a scoll trip to the european jewry department
You should go again. See if your parents will take you there or help plan a trip with you, and you can ask the people at the museum to show you information about the Talmudic period. Although since it is "Diaspora Museum" most of the findings of the Talmudic period will be in Eretz Yisrael, so maybe you need a different museum for that. But the population that existed in Babylonia (Bavel) is also Diaspora, so they should have talmudic era findings from there.
We have the writings of "Amoraim" and "Gaonim" of that period from the yeshivot that existed in Bavel as well, during this very period you refer to. And we still study these sources today. (And the "Amoraim" preserved orally the statements of Jewish law made by "tannaim" who were during the Roman period and end of the 2nd commonwealth). But since you are looking for artifacts, the best place would be a museum.
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Re: "I don't know who taught you this ahistorical nonsense you are speaking, but they should be held criminally liable!"
I strongly agree.
The deserve the strongest legal penalty available short of death.
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One thing is clear... Ben M is either an apikoris or at best the worst Am Haaretz I have ever seen...
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And furthermore ... the Khazar Kingdom lasted only a few years.
The King and his Court converted to Judaism; the rest of the people did not.
Prior to the last few hundred years "people" subject to monarchs or warlords had no "choices" of any kind, and they were so far removed from their sovereign as to be practically non-existent.
The "people" would have been illiterate and impoverished beyond imagination.
The idea that descendants of Mongols and Tatars on the steppes of Central Asia would acquire "Hebrew as a Second Language" practically overnight, get circumcised and embrace Torah Judaism, give up their uncooked pig meat and yak milk in favor of Kosher Laws -- is so absurd that it is not even laughable.
If all Jews were from Khazaria, then where the hell did the Jewish rabbis who were summoned to the Court of the King of Khazaria come from?
Oh!
I get it! ... The Jewish rabbis all had to wait for Russia to destroy Khazaria in the 9th century, so that there would be enough Jews in the world to travel back in time in order to convert the King of the Khazars.
The only people propagating this myth and believing it are the former Nazis and modern neo-Nazis, who when not considering the Jewish people to be guilty of "Deicide", and a race of devils descended from Satan, are insisting that we are not Jews nor have we ever been descended from Jews.
And THAT, my friends, is what I call serious mental illness.
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Amen Massuh...
Yes, the Nazis like to pull that Khazar myth stuff... i have studied the history and I find nothing wrong with the story that the Kahazar kings converted. But to claim all European Jewery came from the Kahazars is to ignore history. The Diaspora spread Judaism to the four corners of the world 2000 years ago, there were Jews virtually everywhere... History, Archeology, and families all recall the events of history. There is not a single moment in history, from Mattan Torah till today which does not testify to the Jewish peoples existance.
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Re: John Chrysostom et al:
The first followers of Jesus were all Jews.
For a long time non-Jews were require to first convert to Torah Judaism before they would be allowed to join the splinter movement which considered Jesus the Moshiach.
Even at that time, the Roman Empire's expansion into Judea resulted in one of every four Roman citizens converting to Judaism, because Rome's conquest of the Jews exposed pagan Romans to a teaching and way of life which saved them from spiritual nihilism and statue worship.
Even prior to the Fall of Judea, Jews had accompanied the Roman Legions to all points in the known world where they remained to establish networks for trade and commerce.
A citizenry so dumbed down and uneducated as to believe outright lies and propaganda is one that is soon to have no nation; let alone a white one.
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Re: "so sow me the evidence of jewish existence between 133 and 600 C.E."
That's an easy one.
Irv Lipschitz.
Irv was Attila the Hun's personal road manager.
Always to be remembered for his prescient song lyrics such as:
"You can't say "pillage", without saying "pill"!"
"Honee I luv your honey Hun ways!"
"Starlight, Starbright!"..."Let's go burn Rome tonite!"
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Re: "so sow me the evidence of jewish existence between 133 and 600 C.E."
That's an easy one.
Irv Lipschitz.
Irv was Attila the Hun's personal road manager.
Always to be remembered for his prescient song lyrics such as:
"You can't say "pillage", without saying "pill"!"
"Honee I luv your honey Hun ways!"
"Starlight, Starbright!"..."Let's go burn Rome tonite!"
Massah, you gotta see this Irv Cohen gag from SCTV : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcBcEtBlxlk
and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVklCOF7UJg&feature=related
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Q: What is sicker than the fact that two proud WNs are tolerated on this forum?
A: The fact that one of them claims to be Jewish.
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That's some of the funniest stuff I've seen in months!
I laughed so hard at that first skit --- Sophie Tucker! ;D
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That's some of the funniest stuff I've seen in months!
I laughed so hard at that first skit --- Sophie Tucker! ;D
I am so glad you found it funny... I watched SCTV like a hawk when I was a kid... I don't think anyone now could even hold a candle to the humor of the 80s...
I also found it humorous in the second clip I posted that his two kids are shown wearing peyot and kippahs...
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I'd like to see what you have to say for yourself now, Ben M.
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I'd like to see what you have to say for yourself now, Ben M.
and i like to see why you are still continue you bias after chaim himself answered you.oh and i didn't liked the porn you sent me yesterday and i am as sure as hell that sky and right wing genitile didn't love this porn either.and i don't think i have to prove you nothing beacuse that's what you are,nothing you are not whorty of my time and i am not even sure why i am responding to you.i need to debate only with intellegente people.i think that if this foum don't need to tolerate someone it is you and not me or skkie or anybody elese that you hate.
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Re: "so sow me the evidence of jewish existence between 133 and 600 C.E."
That's an easy one.
Irv Lipschitz.
Irv was Attila the Hun's personal road manager.
Always to be remembered for his prescient song lyrics such as:
"You can't say "pillage", without saying "pill"!"
"Honee I luv your honey Hun ways!"
"Starlight, Starbright!"..."Let's go burn Rome tonite!"
;D
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Q: What is sicker than the fact that two proud WNs are tolerated on this forum?
A: The fact that one of them claims to be Jewish.
Brennanfan, Ben is Jewish, even Chaim says so, he knows who the guy is. I think maybe what you don't understand or don't realize is that there really are people this ignorant of history and of their own heritage. I was shocked at some of the things said here but I'm realizing that this is maybe the Israeli school system's fault.
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Q: What is sicker than the fact that two proud WNs are tolerated on this forum?
A: The fact that one of them claims to be Jewish.
Brennanfan, Ben is Jewish, even Chaim says so, he knows who the guy is. I think maybe what you don't understand or don't realize is that there really are people this ignorant of history and of their own heritage. I was shocked at some of the things said here but I'm realizing that this is maybe the Israeli school system's fault.
it's okay.he doesn't listen to anybody here who says i am a jew.
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and i like to see why you are still continue you bias
I don't remember one single post that you have made that is not all about the white race. So who is it here who has the bias?
and i am as sure as hell that sky and right wing genitile didn't love this porn either.
Obviously you do not know what "porn" is.
and i am not even sure why i am responding to you.i need to debate only with intellegente people.
I don't know why I am responding to you either, if you are indeed Jewish, you are an extremely mentally ill one.
i think that if this foum don't need to tolerate someone it is you and not me or skkie or anybody elese that you hate.
So in other words you think JTF should be all about white nationalism?
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I think maybe what you don't understand or don't realize is that there really are people this ignorant of history and of their own heritage. I was shocked at some of the things said here but I'm realizing that this is maybe the Israeli school system's fault.
I know the Bolshevik Israeli educational system is bad but come on. They don't teach Israeli kids to become David Duke supporters or that the Holocaust did not happen.
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I think maybe what you don't understand or don't realize is that there really are people this ignorant of history and of their own heritage. I was shocked at some of the things said here but I'm realizing that this is maybe the Israeli school system's fault.
I know the Bolshevik Israeli educational system is bad but come on. They don't teach Israeli kids to become David Duke supporters or that the Holocaust did not happen.
realy? find me one post when i explicitely said i am supporting david duke.
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I don't remember one single post that you have made that is not all about the white race. So who is it here who has the bias?
if you will read carefully at my posts you will see that i also postesd information that concerning judaism.
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Obviously you do not know what "porn" is.
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yes,how did half naked models aren't considered as porn? and you wrote that we want to f**k them so this is some very mean and ugly pornographic message.
I don't know why I am responding to you either, if you are indeed Jewish, you are an extremely mentally ill one.
and now you are cursing me? very mature...
So in other words you think JTF should be all about white nationalism?
no what i am saying is that you are not in charge on the forum as it isn't all around you.you shouldn't tell us who to ban.
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realy? find me one post when i explicitely said i am supporting david duke.
That was one of Skkie's very first posts on this forum, and you support and defend everything that Skkie does.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,45193.msg434643.html#msg434643
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yes,how did half naked models aren't considered as porn?
You do not know what porn is.
and you wrote that we want to f**k them
You don't grasp the English language very well, do you?
so this is some very mean and ugly pornographic message.
No.
and now you are cursing me? very mature...
Obviously you don't know the definition of "cursing" either.
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realy? find me one post when i explicitely said i am supporting david duke.
That was one of Skkie's very first posts on this forum, and you support and defend everything that Skkie does.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,45193.msg434643.html#msg434643
well,i am not skkie.but i think that duke is right about the negroes altought i hate this person beacuse he is anti israel.
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yes,how did half naked models aren't considered as porn?
You do not know what porn is.
and you wrote that we want to f**k them
You don't grasp the English language very well, do you?
so this is some very mean and ugly pornographic message.
No.
and now you are cursing me? very mature...
Obviously you don't know the definition of "cursing" either.
well if you want to challenge me so cursing=swearing=profanity and my average mark in english exams is 93.
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Mods, lock this thread too...
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well if you want to challenge me so cursing=swearing=profanity and my average mark in english exams is 93.
Calling you an "extremely sick" Jew because you support white nationalists is not "cursing" dude. And pictures of beautiful women are not "porn".
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well if you want to challenge me so cursing=swearing=profanity and my average mark in english exams is 93.
Calling you an "extremely sick" Jew because you support white nationalists is not "cursing" dude. And pictures of beautiful women are not "porn".
dude,IF they were beautifull it was okay.but they were pretty ugly.and no in cursing i am talking about the homo part and the ''abominable freak of nature'' thing.