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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muman613 on May 24, 2010, 10:37:55 PM
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I can't speak for others here at JTF but personally I have felt a lot of animosity between some long term JTF members. I am disappointed by this because I am one who davens each day for Jewish unity, and peace in Jerusalem and the world. When brothers and sisters fight amongst each other, for petty reasons {like honor and fame}, it damages the fabric of the world, and more specifically it damages the possibility that we will witness the coming of Moshiach.
We all have disagreements with those around us in life. How many of us have problems with our own immediate families? In my older age I have learned to put aside my hurts from childhood and to move on, to honor my parents properly, as the Torah instructs us to. I have always recommended to JTF members to make sure that they have some connection with their parents. There is a Torah reason for this, but I will save it for a later time.
The Torah also commands the Jew to love his neighbor. Of course the sages interpret neighbor to mean our fellow Jew. So those readers who are Jewish must take care not to offend another Jew, and if you yourself feel insulted, please try to withhold lashing back. Because to do so may be a chillul Hashem.
But we are dealing with JTF members, and we are a bunch who often has a finger on the trigger. In a world where we feel attacked day in and day out we must act in order to defend ourselves. It is an important Jewish trait of self defense which the Talmud itself brings, that if one rises to kill you then you are commanded to rise early and kill the one who plots to kill you. But this is referring to physical killing of another. It is possible to kill someone with words. And this is why our sages learned from the Torah the laws of Lashon Hara. It is said one who speaks Lashon Hara kills three people, the one who spoke, the one who heard, and the one spoken about.
The Jewish people are strong and thrive when we allow each Jew to shine his special light into the world. I am not talking about liberal and progressives who attempt to bend the Torah to their world view. I am saying that every Jew who we can consider our neighbor {having ideas and beliefs similar to ourselves} must be given honor and respect.
I have been guilty of disrespecting some here. And I am very sorry because I really do regret my errors. I apologize to any Jew specifically, and any gentile more generally. People who know me know I love virtually all humanity and have the desire to see people succeed. Hashem has dealt kindly with me for the most part and I thank Hashem every day for the skills and the intellect he has granted me. Everyone needs to look at the good in their life and appreciate it. The word Jew comes from the Hebrew Yehuda, which contains the hebrew base Hoda which means to say thank you.
Let us be thankful that we have a forum where we can share our ideas. JTFs ideas are not mainstream and there are very few places where we can discuss these topics without fear. I would like to ask for every member involved in the recent Machlokes to step away from the keyboard and think about Jewish Unity.
Thank you,
MUMAN613
http://www.jewishmag.com/21mag/mendel/mendel.htm
Still, I wondered, how did the tribe of Judah get its name. As it is related in the Book of Genesis, when Leah, the first wife of Jacob, bore him his fourth son, she was extraordinarily happy. Jacob had four wives and twelve sons were destined to be born from his seed. Therefore, by being blessed with four sons, she now bore a greater share in the future Jewish tribes than the other three wives. In her joy she exclaimed, "This time let me gratefully praise (odeh) G-d! Therefore she called his name Judah" (Gen.29:35) meaning praise. The root word " Hodeh" means thanksgiving as well as praise and it is used in colloquial Hebrew today. (i.e. todah meaning thank you). So the first characteristic I found in the name Jew is the idea of praising G-d and a sense of gratefulness for being given perhaps more than one deserves.
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
Seriously now, are you Gimatria?
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Seriously now, are you Gimatria?
Nope. He's not.
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
RWG,
I do not want a problem with you specifically. As I said I feel that my first responsibility is to preserve Jewish peace, and by doing so I will also have peace with the Gentiles.
And I agree that the world is big enough for the Jews and righteous gentiles...
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Ron ben Michael:
does it not stand to reason that two childhood friends - working from an early age towards realizing the dream of a sovereign, powerful, Torah-true Israel and strong righteous gentile lead America - would have similar viewpoints, prose styles, and articulation?
Obviously one can easily dispel the myth that we are the same person in myriad different ways. Eem ata chacham, ata yachol liftor et ha she'elah!
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
GET OFF YOUR HIGHHORSE. I am a Gentile too and how come I am not offended?
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Praise to the great Mishmaat, who has once again displayed his courage and good sense by dispelling this preposterous myth that myself and the great rWg are one and the same.
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DBF - you aren't offended because you are clearly a self-hating gentile! Why else would you tell a fellow righteous gentile (actually, I hesitate to use the word "fellow", as the implication is that you are righteous as well, and you clearly are a boged) to choke on his own vomit and die? Why else would you send a hateful message like that?
Why else would you wish death upon a fellow gentile? Especially one who is so right-wing - and such a PATRIOT - IT'S A DISGRACE!!!!
AND ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
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Especially one who is so right-wing - and such a PATRIOT - IT'S A DISGRACE!!!!
AND ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
Sheesh Louise. ::) ::) ::)
:laugh: :::D :laugh:
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Ruby, with all due respect (and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, true patriot and courageous female that you are!), there can be no other meaning to his words. He chose them carefully. He has said many times before that he cares less for gentile problems - and I have said many times that I respect him for that, as he is a Jew. With this information in tow, there can be no doubt that his inference was what I took it to be.
RWG
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Ruby, with all due respect (and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, true patriot and courageous female that you are!), there can be no other meaning to his words. He chose them carefully. He has said many times before that he cares less for gentile problems - and I have said many times that I respect him for that, as he is a Jew. With this information in tow, there can be no doubt that his inference was what I took it to be.
RWG
How come you are the only Gentile who has a problem with him?
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Ruby, with all due respect (and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, true patriot and courageous female that you are!), there can be no other meaning to his words. He chose them carefully. He has said many times before that he cares less for gentile problems - and I have said many times that I respect him for that, as he is a Jew. With this information in tow, there can be no doubt that his inference was what I took it to be.
RWG
RWG,
What concerns me is that I try to obey our Torah as best I can. I am sure you have heard the term Avodat Yisroel before? It is the commandment to Jews to Love your fellow Jew. I am willing to have people who stand against me, but I hope that it is not a righteous Jew. Of course I don't know who is righteous and who is not. So I also live by the command to give the other Jew the benefit of the doubt.
As you point out these commands relate to the interaction of one Jew to another. But our commandments also tell us that we must also respect and honor the nations of the world. Maybe you have heard about the offerings which were made after the holiday of Sukkot. During that service we brought 70 offerings for all the 70 nations of the world. I will include a link and some description of this below...
I am a proud Jew who gets along very well with the nations around me. I work with people from all over the world. I have friends who are gentiles and I know several converts who are righteous. I also admire the Noachides and the Christians at JTF who are learning and trying to do the righteous thing. I am supportive and helpful to those who ask me for advice, for knowledge, and for time or money.
I really am sorry that you feel that I started on the wrong foot with you. It does seem to me that you really believe you know what is right, and will stand up for it. This a quite admirable and if things started out differently I am sure that I would not harbor any bad feelings.
If you really are righteous and do stand for the goals which JTF promotes then I hope that we can have a productive career working with Chaim and the other members here to make JTF more popular in this world. Hashem knows that time may be running out and we need as many supporters for the cause as we can get.
I hope that my words can bring you to understand why I wrote what I wrote. You should not infer that I am insulting non-Jews by saying what I said.
Thank you
http://www.aish.com/h/su/tai/48954136.html
The Talmud teaches:
Rabbi Eliezer said: "Why are 70 offerings brought on Sukkot? For the (merit of the) 70 nations of the world." (Sukkah 55b)
Rashi comments:
To bring forgiveness for them (the 70 nations which comprise the world), so that rain shall fall all over the earth.
The Sages stress that Sukkot has a universal element which is clearly absent in the other festivals: Passover represents the exodus from Egypt and the emergence of a Jewish nation; Shavuot celebrates the giving of the Torah to the Jews. It seems paradoxical to find this expression of the inability of the pagans to relate to G-d specifically in the context of Sukkot.
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
What did Muman need to apologize for? Isn't your complaint with dr brennan fan?
I don't know exactly what all this is about or what was the original source of this argument, but being petty and making accusations is not going to solve anything. Let's end all this fighting, people.
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Ruby, with all due respect (and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, true patriot and courageous female that you are!), there can be no other meaning to his words. He chose them carefully. He has said many times before that he cares less for gentile problems - and I have said many times that I respect him for that, as he is a Jew. With this information in tow, there can be no doubt that his inference was what I took it to be.
RWG
How come you are the only Gentile who has a problem with him?
I'm sorry to disagree with you Dr. Brennan Fan.
It bothered me, too.
Muman doesn't always have to point out his feelings about Gentiles.
Especially in a thread promoting unity. Sometimes silence on the subject would be golden.
I will never feel united with Muman. He makes that clear in many of his posts.
I'm just glad for all the great Jewish people in my life. They help strengthen the conviction of my beliefs.
Sorry - Kahane-Was-Right BT. I saw your post about ending the fighting, but I had to put my two cents in.
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Good post. Guys let's keep the debates real without the personal attacks. PM eachother if you feel you have the diarrhea of the keyboard and don't poison the forum with diatribe.
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בס''ד
Muman's appeal for unity should be praised.
I was saddened to see the bitter personal attacks and cursing of members on the forum.
I appeal to all of our members who care about our noble cause to end these attacks.
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
RWG,
I do not want a problem with you specifically. As I said I feel that my first responsibility is to preserve Jewish peace, and by doing so I will also have peace with the Gentiles.
And I agree that the world is big enough for the Jews and righteous gentiles...
i agree with your original psot, but what makes it hard to believe is that you were one of the culprits that was starting the arguements, with both jewish and non jewish members.
You, dr brennan fan, ron etc were throwing accusations of "nazi", "peadophile" and "faggots", to obviously very coherent members of RWG and Gimatria, one being jewish and one being gentile.
I backed up ben (normal atheist) from the word go, everyone else said "no way he s a jew hes a neo nazi and a troll", and look what happend, it turns out hes a young jew in israel.
Just because you dr brennan fan, ron etc hate black people less than 70 percent of this board, does not mean 70 percent of this board of nazis.
Add the fact that you claimed disgracefully that american issues are not important and "secondary". im in the UK and i am terribly concerned about americas plight, as they are part of western civilisation. Plus the fact that chaim lives there and you dont care about america is bad form.
I think although we are not technically A RACIST organization, but lets be honest, media wise, we are. Why should we stop that?
Ben a young jew, gimatria and RWG all are new members. BTW there are alot of posters inclding me that agree with their posts, yet the rudeness of some of our more "experienced" members" has been nothing less than disgraceful.
i hope we all agree to disagree, and all agree chaims right ;)
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This is double-talk at its finest. You won't apologize to me specifically because I'm a gentile? JTF has always been about righteous gentiles and Jews working hand in hand, TOGETHER, to save America and Israel! ZOT HI UVDA!
RWG
RWG,
I do not want a problem with you specifically. As I said I feel that my first responsibility is to preserve Jewish peace, and by doing so I will also have peace with the Gentiles.
And I agree that the world is big enough for the Jews and righteous gentiles...
i agree with your original psot, but what makes it hard to believe is that you were one of the culprits that was starting the arguements, with both jewish and non jewish members.
You, dr brennan fan, ron etc were throwing accusations of "nazi", "peadophile" and "faggots", to obviously very coherent members of RWG and Gimatria, one being jewish and one being gentile.
I backed up ben (normal atheist) from the word go, everyone else said "no way he s a jew hes a neo nazi and a troll", and look what happend, it turns out hes a young jew in israel.
Just because you dr brennan fan, ron etc hate black people less than 70 percent of this board, does not mean 70 percent of this board of nazis.
Add the fact that you claimed disgracefully that american issues are not important and "secondary". im in the UK and i am terribly concerned about americas plight, as they are part of western civilisation. Plus the fact that chaim lives there and you dont care about america is bad form.
I think although we are not technically A RACIST organization, but lets be honest, media wise, we are. Why should we stop that?
Ben a young jew, gimatria and RWG all are new members. BTW there are alot of posters inclding me that agree with their posts, yet the rudeness of some of our more "experienced" members" has been nothing less than disgraceful.
i hope we all agree to disagree, and all agree chaims right ;)
i am agree.and right wing genitile don't worry.as a secular jew i am very offended by this post.i know some of the older memebers here hates me beacuse i am a secular and i am very concerned about wite and indian problems.you and brennan fan started almost every arguments we had and ths attacks must stop.
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There are some people on here who think that JTF shouldn't work with us. Let them be unified with themselves and see how far that gets them.
It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I don't have to treat them as equal either if I don't want to and I'm not obligated to feel like I should be unified with individuals who don't respect me.
Let them run their mouths/keyboards and show who they are.
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I don't think muman was ever rude and that certain members like rwg and dbf have loose trigger fingers. I think the more experienced JTF members on these race issues agree on the same thing as the more outspoken new JTFers. Its just that many of us who have been on this forum longer express ourselves in a soft more PC way. The media is racist and we are out here to prove that its not color but behavior and that 99 percent of that bad behavior just happen to come from those people with colored skin, but that this evil behavior is not exclusive to them. Jews and whites do it too and we detest it just as much.
We can't turn into a movement obsessed with race. We, however, are a movement that is obsessed with evil cultures and behaviors and that includes the majority of blacks.
In as much we hate PC, it will be better to, every so often, clarify that it isn't the race we hate but the evil culture. Chaim does that a lot. And for the more "PC" crowd to every so often say that they aren't being PC and that it is true that the majority of a certain group have an evil culture.
With every legit movement out there we should clarify our stance and never compromise if it is going to lead to evil
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I don't think muman was ever rude and that certain members like rwg and dbf have loose trigger fingers. I think the more experienced JTF members on these race issues agree on the same thing as the more outspoken new JTFers. Its just that many of us who have been on this forum longer express ourselves in a soft more PC way. The media is racist and we are out here to prove that its not color but behavior and that 99 percent of that bad behavior just happen to come from those people with colored skin, but that this evil behavior is not exclusive to them. Jews and whites do it too and we detest it just as much.
We can't turn into a movement obsessed with race. We, however, are a movement that is obsessed with evil cultures and behaviors and that includes the majority of blacks.
In as much we hate PC, it will be better to, every so often, clarify that it isn't the race we hate but the evil culture. Chaim does that a lot. And for the more "PC" crowd to every so often say that they aren't being PC and that it is true that the majority of a certain group have an evil culture.
With every legit movement out there we should clarify our stance and never compromise if it is going to lead to evil
co-signed. :)
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We are ALL here for one reason, and one reason only. We must UNITE and stand together AGAINST what is evil EVERYWHERE. Is this how you would treat your brothers and sisters inside your OWN home? I think not!
Bullcat, I thank you for your honesty and speaking out. I too, have felt the same way, and even considered quitting JTF because of such hurtful words from some here. I guess some Jews will NEVER understand how a Gentile feels in their heart about standing up for Israel and how important it is. :'(
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JTF workers unite!!
JTF belongs to the people!
Abolish the admins!
Down with the mods!
The revolution must begin NOW!
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Jewish unity is a must, If evil is to be defeated. Evil can come in any form. We all have to focus on JTF's primary agenda. Israel is being pushed back by politicians, someone its own, and some others. In such adversity we should be devoting more time to educating others, rather than arguing with fellow members, And i didnt mean this for muman, its meant for the new members.
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Bullcat, I thank you for your honesty and speaking out. I too, have felt the same way, and even considered quitting JTF because of such hurtful words from some here. I guess some Jews will NEVER understand how a Gentile feels in their heart about standing up for Israel and how important it is. :'(
It's very hard to care for people who don't understand or care about you back. I think what makes it hard is many people assume that it's going to be a mutual deal when that's not always the case. The question to ask yourself is can you bless someone who curses you? Can you love people who hate you? A Christian is taught to do these things. I know full well what some (not all) Jews think about me. I don't like it. However I think we should still pray for them.
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I have some questions for RWG. These are not attacks, but questions.
1: Do you think that America is worth trying to salvage or that we are a lost cause?
2: How do you feel about Amren?
3: How do you feel about Buchanan?
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Rubystars and Bullcat,
I don't think Muman said or did anything wrong here at all. I do not think he meant to say that he doesn't care about Gentiles. Muman and I have had our disagreements in the past, and we will never agree on some big things, but I don't see anything that he did here that is offensive.
I think we should just drop this line of thought.
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I fully love and support all JTF members, Christian and Jew alike, who are righteous and love Israel and the Jewish people. I know that there are some members here who know I do.
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בס''ד
Muman's appeal for unity should be praised.
I was saddened to see the bitter personal attacks and cursing of members on the forum.
I appeal to all of our members who care about our noble cause to end these attacks.
Agree, I will do my share.
Shalom.
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As this Forum becomes more diverse, it is realistically impossible to unite everyone. I will not unite with anyone who is so overtly and ridiculously racist, nor with with someone who curses millions of people with the ultimate curse just because they watch Grey's Anatomy. I promise to stay polite, or at least try hard to, but unite- no way.
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The way Chaim set JTF up, in that good people of different faiths and backgrounds work together in order to attempt to defeat evil, is what lead to me contributing to JTF/ VJA both financially and through other efforts.
I'm proud to work with ANYONE who is attempting to defeat the Leftists, Muslims, Neo Nazis/ 911 Inside Job Conspiracy Freaks. Everytime JTF loses a good member because of lack of respect by one or more other members, it's a huge loss for the organization. We can't afford to lose anyone who is willing to fight for the cause. It's painful to read some of the threads in which we are divided in terms of the core foundation of the organization. This differs from a difference of opinion about political candidates for instance. The latter can be a healthy debate, providing people respect each other in the process. When people try to go in a different direction than the foundation of JTF, a strong case can be made that those who are being adversely affected the most in this world are the heroic Jews in Judea and Samaria. We shouldn't do anything that risks the support that they are getting.
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Yes, even tho we have had only one or two minor differences, you have always shown me love and support....
I fully love and support all JTF members, Christian and Jew alike, who are righteous and love Israel and the Jewish people. I know that there are some members here who know I do.
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Yes, even tho we have had only one or two minor differences, you have always shown me love and support....
I fully love and support all JTF members, Christian and Jew alike, who are righteous and love Israel and the Jewish people. I know that there are some members here who know I do.
Thank you ~Hanna~, I truly appreciate your kind words...
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
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JTF workers unite!!
JTF belongs to the people!
Abolish the admins!
Down with the mods!
The revolution must begin NOW!
I'm sorry, but I have to laugh. Thanks for making me laugh AngryChineseKahanist. I hope all is well with you and yours. :::D
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JTF workers unite!!
JTF belongs to the people!
Abolish the admins!
Down with the mods!
The revolution must begin NOW!
:::D :::D :::D :::D :laugh: :laugh:
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JTF workers unite!!
JTF belongs to the people!
Abolish the admins!
Down with the mods!
The revolution must begin NOW!
You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect. Why did chaim do a big speech about "never vote for the jew, always vote for the gentile". His words not mine. it shows that gentiles are also important.
Plus for people trying to make this site "pc" well i dont think jtf is for them. Since when has chaim been pc? Thats what i love about it, he calls a spade a spade, and it often in reference to people who are as dark as a spade.
98 percent of blacks are evil, we cant deleted foot around that issue. Does that mean i want to ban black membrs, no of course not, because i believe there are blacks that would love to join and unite against evil black culture. Plus they are w1ggers who are black wannabees, i would also send back to africa since they love that culture so much.
But if you want to be PC then please show me whats pc about this great chaim speech??this is what jtf's about....if you dont like it, then join some left wing affirmative action forum, like espn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5PHM96ZPDk
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There are some people on here who think that JTF shouldn't work with us. Let them be unified with themselves and see how far that gets them.
It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I don't have to treat them as equal either if I don't want to and I'm not obligated to feel like I should be unified with individuals who don't respect me.
Let them run their mouths/keyboards and show who they are.
i wish i had the patience you had rubystars.AS A SECULAR JEW I AM OFFENDED BY THE THREAD.this thread is unncesseraily dividing.i know that there are some people here that fell they are superior beacuse they are religious jews.i hope that the admins will lock this thread.this is ugly and evil.and yes muman i am respecting you despite our arguments but i think this thread is extremely hurting people's emotions.i am respecting our genitile mebers beacuse i am very close to them culturaly.you need to understand that jewish culture is also about accepting the other and from that point of view this thread is very agains jewish spirit.
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There are some people on here who think that JTF shouldn't work with us. Let them be unified with themselves and see how far that gets them.
It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I don't have to treat them as equal either if I don't want to and I'm not obligated to feel like I should be unified with individuals who don't respect me.
Let them run their mouths/keyboards and show who they are.
jewish spirit.
What Jewish spirit is this thread against exactly?
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There are some people on here who think that JTF shouldn't work with us. Let them be unified with themselves and see how far that gets them.
It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I don't have to treat them as equal either if I don't want to and I'm not obligated to feel like I should be unified with individuals who don't respect me.
Let them run their mouths/keyboards and show who they are.
jewish spirit.
What Jewish spirit is this thread against exactly?
this is the point.this thread is against the jewish spirit and it is also very discriminatory.
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i agree that you guys need to get down form the genitiles.stop this religious supremacy now!
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i am sorry what questions? I hope for a second you were not having a dig at me, so ill let it pass.
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There are some people on here who think that JTF shouldn't work with us. Let them be unified with themselves and see how far that gets them.
It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I don't have to treat them as equal either if I don't want to and I'm not obligated to feel like I should be unified with individuals who don't respect me.
Let them run their mouths/keyboards and show who they are.
i wish i had the patience you had rubystars.AS A SECULAR JEW I AM OFFENDED BY THE THREAD.this thread is unncesseraily dividing.i know that there are some people here that fell they are superior beacuse they are religious jews.i hope that the admins will lock this thread.this is ugly and evil.and yes muman i am respecting you despite our arguments but i think this thread is extremely hurting people's emotions.i am respecting our genitile mebers beacuse i am very close to them culturaly.you need to understand that jewish culture is also about accepting the other and from that point of view this thread is very agains jewish spirit.
I just read Muman's first post in this thread again. I do not see a single objectionable thing in it. What are you offended by exactly? Instead of just crying foul and saying the religious are out to get you, can you point out specifically what it is about this thread that is so offensive to you and why?
i know that there are some people here that fell they are superior beacuse they are religious jews.
You "know?" Or you fear/worry?
you need to understand that jewish culture is also about accepting the other and from that point of view this thread is very agains jewish spirit.
Where do you get this stuff from? Considering you thought that the Jewish people died out and didn't exist for a period of ~600 years, then were reconstituted by "khazar" phonies who somehow resurrected their writings, culture, and Torah out of dust since that was lost too, you are the last person to speak about what "Jewish spirit" is for or against. How can a person completely ignorant of Jewish history try to lecture about what it is to be Jewish? I mean really, consider what you are saying here and please have some humility to at least acknowledge you don't know everything about Jewish identity (I'm being generous phrasing it that way, since it's obvious you know next to nothing - And I don't mean this as an insult but as simply pointing out what your other statements reflect about what you know/don't know). Let's be honest here.
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i agree that you guys need to get down form the genitiles.stop this religious supremacy now!
Can I ask what in the hell you're talking about?
Aside from piggybacking everything "christians4jews" says, can you explain what exactly you're saying?
Where is anyone "down on the gentiles?" What does it have to do with "religious supremacy" ? And where is the religious supremacy ?
If you think religious people in this forum are going to cater to your "feelings" like christians4jews does and tell you what you want to hear by condoning secular lifestyle, keep dreaming, we will never do such a thing. The religious way of life is of course better. We don't have any reason to be ashamed of that or to express any lack of confidence that that is so. That does not constitute "religious supremacy" except if you are overly defensive and afraid we might be correct.
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exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i am sorry what questions? I hope for a second you were not having a dig at me, so ill let it pass.
Cut the baloney.
What questions? How about the one that I just wrote, which is one that I asked before amongst a slew of questions you decided not to bother to answer in a different thread.
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So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
See what I did there? I referred to questions, then I asked one, just so you could be sure what I was talking about. So let's hear your answers. Very simple process.
Btw, please learn how to snip the quotes so that we don't expand 500 quoted statements in each post. Just quote what you are referring to directly. Don't quote every single post and every layer for every comment you write. You can reply also without quoting if snipping quotes is too complicated. Otherwise it makes the forum very sloppy and a burden to look at and read.
I don't see any "digs" so stop being defensive/paranoid/accusatory and please engage in discussion.
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I don't know what to say here without fanning the fires. I have been here on the forum from the start and in the early days we had very little of this sort of discontent between Jewish and non Jewish members. While I respect Muman as a fellow moderator I know if he had his way I would not be on the JTF moderator staff or even on JTF itself. JTF forum started out with a large percentage of gentile support. Sadly much of that support has been turned away by posts and threads that at times were very destructive. The forum we have today may have a larger membership then in the early days but is defiantly less dynamic. Whats even sadder is that the support that was lost has not been replaced by something more desirable to the persons doing the damage. Muman needs to decide on a policy he can't say hurtfull things about Gentiles in one thread and then apologise in another. After a few times the apologies become meaningless.
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So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not? [/
even if he IS a nro nazi we need to accpet him and not to treat him like garbage.he is a human being.and you guys also said that me and skkie are nazies and it was turn out to be completely false.
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I don't know what to say here without fanning the fires. I have been here on the forum from the start and in the early days we had very little of this sort of discontent between Jewish and non Jewish members. While I respect Muman as a fellow moderator I know if he had his way I would not be on the JTF moderator staff or even on JTF itself. JTF forum started out with a large percentage of gentile support. Sadly much of that support has been turned away by posts and threads that at times were very destructive. The forum we have today may have a larger membership then in the early days but is defiantly less dynamic. Whats even sadder is that the support that was lost has not been replaced by something more desirable to the persons doing the damage. Muman needs to decide on a policy he can't say hurtfull things about Gentiles in one thread and then apologise in another. After a few times the apologies become meaningless.
Can you point out what about Muman's post in this thread was "hurtful to gentiles?"
I respect your opinion CJD, and I don't always agree with what Muman has to say, but I have read Muman's "let's unite post" and see nothing wrong with it and nothing that should be perceived as a slight to non Jews. He is simply stating Jewish religious principles - is that a slight to non-Jews?
Chaim has also commented in this thread and applauded Muman's post, so I hate to say it but maybe in this case CJD you are imagining something and holding a grudge against Muman for past comments, God forbid.
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So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not? [/
even if he IS a nro nazi we need to accpet him and not to treat him like garbage.he is a human being.and you guys also said that me and skkie are nazies and it was turn out to be completely false.
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I don't believe my eyes. You are saying we need to "accept" a neo-nazi? If he's a neo-nazi we can't treat him like garbage? So let me get this straight. Neo-nazis want to burn Jews in ovens and wipe them off the planet, since that is part and parcel of their ideology, but they're "human beings" to you and we have to treat them nice? This is possibly the most self-hating idiotic comment I've ever heard. Can I ask what do the neo-nazis treat us like when they want to gas us and burn us in ovens? Is that treating US like "human beings" ? ! This is outrageous.
So you also favor treating arab muslim PLO nazi terrorists nicely too since they are also human beings? What is wrong with you? You have serious issues buddy.
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i agree that you guys need to get down form the genitiles.stop this religious supremacy now!
Can I ask what in the hell you're talking about?
Aside from piggybacking everything "christians4jews" says, can you explain what exactly you're saying?
Where is anyone "down on the gentiles?" What does it have to do with "religious supremacy" ? And where is the religious supremacy ?
If you think religious people in this forum are going to cater to your "feelings" like christians4jews does and tell you what you want to hear by condoning secular lifestyle, keep dreaming, we will never do such a thing. The religious way of life is of course better. We don't have any reason to be ashamed of that or to express any lack of confidence that that is so. That does not constitute "religious supremacy" except if you are overly defensive and afraid we might be correct.
I see my poor "snipping" Annoys you so i will continue, why, as it annoys you.
As for your weak question that all of a sudden is directed at me, yes i will answer it. You really should not have wasted 5 minutes of your life asking it though, as i am the worst person on here to ask.
I have had some many debates with anti semitic whites about jews in the media, in fact i did a thread bashing whites supremacists and believing that "the jews are the route of all evil" about a week ago. Here it is...ill wait for your apology.
Yes i do think jews are over represented in hollywood and the media, but that is a quote from chaim ben psech, not just me. is he anti semitic for saying such a thing? Plus i dont think the hollywood jews represent the real jews. I think the non assimalated jews of israel represent the real jews hence why they only give obama a 4 percent approval rating. Compare to the american jews of 60+percent.
Does that mean i am anti semitic?and a neo nazi?I fail on every category if i do, for starters my IQ is above 80. I have dated many girls of all races, something you probably havnt done, i have jewish blood in my family, and the person and all his deciples i worship are jews. Add the fact that i am a regular on a forum called "jewish task force" and hold a jew(chaim ben psech) as a modern day great. AND i believe that i will be cursed if i do not suppert israel, so i am the ultimate zionist. Do you reckon i would get in hitler youth with those policies?
To be fair muman has moved on, you on the other hand seem to have an agenda that any new poster whether jew or gentile is a nazi, in fact ill go as far as saying you almost want us to be nazis.
Its on par with me going to our great german jtfers 'you are from gemrany arnt you, thats where hitlers from isnt it...therefore you must be a nazi"
You need to relax, so you dont agree with me that "jews are over represented in hollywood"a chaim quote" how is that me being a nazi? If it makes you feel better i hate 95 percent the gentiles that are in the media/hollywood, they do not represent my views at all.
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i agree that you guys need to get down form the genitiles.stop this religious supremacy now!
Can I ask what in the hell you're talking about?
Aside from piggybacking everything "christians4jews" says, can you explain what exactly you're saying?
Where is anyone "down on the gentiles?" What does it have to do with "religious supremacy" ? And where is the religious supremacy ?
If you think religious people in this forum are going to cater to your "feelings" like christians4jews does and tell you what you want to hear by condoning secular lifestyle, keep dreaming, we will never do such a thing. The religious way of life is of course better. We don't have any reason to be ashamed of that or to express any lack of confidence that that is so. That does not constitute "religious supremacy" except if you are overly defensive and afraid we might be correct.
I see my poor "snipping" Annoys you so i will continue, why, as it annoys you.
As for your weak question that all of a sudden is directed at me, yes i will answer it. You really should not have wasted 5 minutes of your life asking it though, as i am the worst person on here to ask.
I have had some many debates with anti semitic whites about jews in the media, in fact i did a thread bashing whites supremacists and believing that "the jews are the route of all evil" about a week ago. Here it is...ill wait for your apology.
Yes i do think jews are over represented in hollywood and the media, but that is a quote from chaim ben psech, not just me. is he anti semitic for saying such a thing? Plus i dont think the hollywood jews represent the real jews. I think the non assimalated jews of israel represent the real jews hence why they only give obama a 4 percent approval rating. Compare to the american jews of 60+percent.
Does that mean i am anti semitic?and a neo nazi?I fail on every category if i do, for starters my IQ is above 80. I have dated many girls of all races, something you probably havnt done, i have jewish blood in my family, and the person and all his deciples i worship are jews. Add the fact that i am a regular on a forum called "jewish task force" and hold a jew(chaim ben psech) as a modern day great. AND i believe that i will be cursed if i do not suppert israel, so i am the ultimate zionist. Do you reckon i would get in hitler youth with those policies?
To be fair muman has moved on, you on the other hand seem to have an agenda that any new poster whether jew or gentile is a nazi, in fact ill go as far as saying you almost want us to be nazis.
Its on par with me going to our great german jtfers 'you are from gemrany arnt you, thats where hitlers from isnt it...therefore you must be a nazi"
You need to relax, so you dont agree with me that "jews are over represented in hollywood"a chaim quote" how is that me being a nazi? If it makes you feel better i hate 95 percent the gentiles that are in the media/hollywood, they do not represent my views at all.
kahane was right btw.to make you feel better i will state that if you consider christian4jews'right wing genitile and skkie as nazies you should consider me a nazi as well beacuse i have similar views to their's
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No problem Ben M...You are 100% Nazi to me...
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I see my poor "snipping" Annoys you so i will continue, why, as it annoys you.
It's not that it "annoys me," it's that it degrades the forum and takes away from the appearance of the forum making it less attractive. That you want to do something just because "it annoys me" (like I said what is relevant here is the quality of the forum, not what "annoys me"), is certainly petty, but antagonistic as well. Is there a reason you have to be antagonistic to me? You don't like a question I asked you? Why not? Ashamed of your views? Not willing to say them openly? That's no reason to get antagonistic. This reflects that you are very insecure about what you are about to say or at least what I challenged you to address.
As for your weak question that all of a sudden is directed at me, yes i will answer it. You really should not have wasted 5 minutes of your life asking it though, as i am the worst person on here to ask.
It's not a "weak" question or a "strong" question. I simply wanted to know your view based on what you said in another thread. I found what you said there surprising and want clarification. It was your choice to dodge the question, not mine. If you're the worst person to ask or the best person to ask, it's not relevant. I'm not asking for "objective truth" that requires some sort of scientific proof. I'm asking your opinion. Who is better to tell me your opinion than you?
Here it is...ill wait for your apology.
Apology for what? I don't see any need to apologize for anything here.
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KWRBT,
I suspect that you too will tire of attempting to get any understanding from Ben M. He has stated some of the most unbelievable things I have ever heard a person who considers himself Jewish say. His denigration of the Torah, the sages, and Jews as a whole is an abomination. In my book he is a 100% Nazi, Jew hater.
He hates the Jewish religion because he is a self-hater. He wants so badly to be like the Nazis... That is my opinion..
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Does that mean i am anti semitic?and a neo nazi?I fail on every category if i do, for starters my IQ is above 80.
Let's clarify. What do you mean by "overrepresented?"
And what is the direct quote of Chaim on what he said about this issue? After you explain what you mean by overrepresented, my followup questions from the other thread will be posed.
you on the other hand seem to have an agenda that any new poster whether jew or gentile is a nazi,
Really? Quote me. You made this up. What makes you invent baseless accusations like this against people except to drive wedges between people in the forum?
What you said here cannot be farther from the truth. I never assume new members are nazis and I never even suspect they are unless they give some indication or reason to think so based on the views they express and the things they say.
in fact ill go as far as saying you almost want us to be nazis.
That's a rather odd thing to say. In fact, it's completely illogical.
You need to relax, so you dont agree with me that "jews are over represented in hollywood"a chaim quote" how is that me being a nazi?
First of all, you need better reading comprehension. I said that you agree with neo-nazis about that premise. Nothing more. You imagined the rest in your paranoia. Since you say it's a quote of Chaim, please quote him with an exact quote, I'd love to see it. In the meantime, let's focus on the issues. What do you mean by overrepresented?
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I don't know what to say here without fanning the fires. I have been here on the forum from the start and in the early days we had very little of this sort of discontent between Jewish and non Jewish members. While I respect Muman as a fellow moderator I know if he had his way I would not be on the JTF moderator staff or even on JTF itself. JTF forum started out with a large percentage of gentile support. Sadly much of that support has been turned away by posts and threads that at times were very destructive. The forum we have today may have a larger membership then in the early days but is defiantly less dynamic. Whats even sadder is that the support that was lost has not been replaced by something more desirable to the persons doing the damage. Muman needs to decide on a policy he can't say hurtfull things about Gentiles in one thread and then apologise in another. After a few times the apologies become meaningless.
Can you point out what about Muman's post in this thread was "hurtful to gentiles?"
I respect your opinion CJD, and I don't always agree with what Muman has to say, but I have read Muman's "let's unite post" and see nothing wrong with it and nothing that should be perceived as a slight to non Jews. He is simply stating Jewish religious principles - is that a slight to non-Jews?
Chaim has also commented in this thread and applauded Muman's post, so I hate to say it but maybe in this case CJD you are imagining something and holding a grudge against Muman for past comments, G-d forbid.
I respect your opinion as well Kahane-Was-Right BT . Muman has made it quite plain in a number of past threads that if the Gentiles here on the forum were to disappear it would be no great loss. This is an old issue that has been put on the table a few times before. As an old time original member yourself you have been around long enough to know I don't hold grudges and I only want all our members to get along. I think its fine for Muman post about Jewish Principles but its possible to do that without even bringing Gentiles into the issue. I actually enjoy reading some of the material he posts. I saw what Chaim posted in this thread and it was one of the few times I can say I did not agree with his position.
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So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not? [/
even if he IS a nro nazi we need to accpet him and not to treat him like garbage.he is a human being.and you guys also said that me and skkie are nazies and it was turn out to be completely false.oh and i don't in support for the plo beacuse they are MUSLIMS and i am keeping the opinion that the only good muslims are dead muslims.
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I don't believe my eyes. You are saying we need to "accept" a neo-nazi? If he's a neo-nazi we can't treat him like garbage? So let me get this straight. Neo-nazis want to burn Jews in ovens and wipe them off the planet, since that is part and parcel of their ideology, but they're "human beings" to you and we have to treat them nice? This is possibly the most self-hating idiotic comment I've ever heard. Can I ask what do the neo-nazis treat us like when they want to gas us and burn us in ovens? Is that treating US like "human beings" ? ! This is outrageous.
So you also favor treating arab muslim PLO nazi terrorists nicely too since they are also human beings? What is wrong with you? You have serious issues buddy.
we accepting in the hebrew forum LEFTISTS'DID YOU READ THAT? LEFTISTS.i hate them even more than i hate the nazies beacuse they are the ultimate self haters but i agree with chaim that we need to allow them in for the sake of debating with them and showing them they wrong way.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
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The only "good" Nazi is a dead one!
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The only "good" Nazi is a dead one!
Agreed, Lisa!
This is yet another example of why all of us should work together instead of being divided on the Core of JTF's Foundation. All Nazi's would want ALL of us dead! There are no exceptions!
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you need to understand that jewish culture is also about accepting the other and from that point of view this thread is very agains jewish spirit.
Where do you get this stuff from? Considering you thought that the Jewish people died out and didn't exist for a period of ~600 years, then were reconstituted by "khazar" phonies who somehow resurrected their writings, culture, and Torah out of dust since that was lost too, you are the last person to speak about what "Jewish spirit" is for or against. How can a person completely ignorant of Jewish history try to lecture about what it is to be Jewish? I mean really, consider what you are saying here and please have some humility to at least acknowledge you don't know everything about Jewish identity (I'm being generous phrasing it that way, since it's obvious you know next to nothing - And I don't mean this as an insult but as simply pointing out what your other statements reflect about what you know/don't know). Let's be honest here.
Amen.
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for kahane was right..this is a quote from chaim
"I don't think Jews control the media, but they do play a disproportionately large role in the media. General Electric, which owns NBC, is not Jewish. CBS is not owned by Jews. CNN is Ted Turner. But there's no question that Jews play an enormous role in the media."
http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/02/10/daily.html
The only thing i will say is perhaps my wording was poor, perhaps i should have said "self hating jews" and used chaims terminology, as he puts it far better than i do.
But hey, thats why hes the leader and i am not.
Perhaps i can throw a question back to you kahane was right, why are you asking me all these questions?is there a motive or are you just interested in me a s a person, as i have a "ask christian4jews" thread in the ask the posters section.
you call my "snipping" bad for the forum, well i think whats bad for the forum is members such as mumon, brennanfam and you accusing people left right and center. Granted you did not directly call me anti semitic, but it dam well appeared that way.
So ill ask you another question, do you think i am anti semitic?
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
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RE: Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
Well said Ron.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
Why do we need to? They hate The Jews because they are Jewish, it doesn't matter what their skin colour is.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
The Lefties think that Judaism is immoral because they've never tried it (talking about Jewish Lefties, never gave a crap about Gentile Lefties because that's not my deal) and think that it's primitive etc. Most Lefties don't even understand the truth and are rational. Once you show the truth about Torah, about Islam, about Rabbi Kahane, about the evil Communo-Fascist regime in Israel, etc they can change.
Neo-Nazis have an emotional charge against Jews especially and most of humanity generally. They adore the Nazis - who killed 10 times more Whites than non-Whites.
They don't really care about Whites at all - they just hate Jews because they're Jewish and they don't really care if we're White, Black or Purple.
and are just like Commies - can't think so they blame others for their problems.
Why should we even bother change one who wants you dead? would you do that with an Arab/Muslim to? You can show him you're not really stealing his land.
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I don't know what to say here without fanning the fires. I have been here on the forum from the start and in the early days we had very little of this sort of discontent between Jewish and non Jewish members. While I respect Muman as a fellow moderator I know if he had his way I would not be on the JTF moderator staff or even on JTF itself. JTF forum started out with a large percentage of gentile support. Sadly much of that support has been turned away by posts and threads that at times were very destructive. The forum we have today may have a larger membership then in the early days but is defiantly less dynamic. Whats even sadder is that the support that was lost has not been replaced by something more desirable to the persons doing the damage. Muman needs to decide on a policy he can't say hurtfull things about Gentiles in one thread and then apologise in another. After a few times the apologies become meaningless.
Can you point out what about Muman's post in this thread was "hurtful to gentiles?"
I respect your opinion CJD, and I don't always agree with what Muman has to say, but I have read Muman's "let's unite post" and see nothing wrong with it and nothing that should be perceived as a slight to non Jews. He is simply stating Jewish religious principles - is that a slight to non-Jews?
Chaim has also commented in this thread and applauded Muman's post, so I hate to say it but maybe in this case CJD you are imagining something and holding a grudge against Muman for past comments, G-d forbid.
I respect your opinion as well Kahane-Was-Right BT . Muman has made it quite plain in a number of past threads that if the Gentiles here on the forum were to disappear it would be no great loss. This is an old issue that has been put on the table a few times before. As an old time original member yourself you have been around long enough to know I don't hold grudges and I only want all our members to get along. I think its fine for Muman post about Jewish Principles but its possible to do that without even bringing Gentiles into the issue. I actually enjoy reading some of the material he posts. I saw what Chaim posted in this thread and it was one of the few times I can say I did not agree with his position.
cjd,
This is not honest at all... I never called for removing Non-Jews from the forum. Please state what I said, with a link, so I can explain what you obviously misread from me..
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
The Lefties think that Judaism is immoral because they've never tried it (talking about Jewish Lefties, never gave a crap about Gentile Lefties because that's not my deal) and think that it's primitive etc. Most Lefties don't even understand the truth and are rational. Once you show the truth about Torah, about Islam, about Rabbi Kahane, about the evil Communo-Fascist regime in Israel, etc they can change.
Neo-Nazis have an emotional charge against Jews especially and most of humanity generally. They adore the Nazis - who killed 10 times more Whites than non-Whites.
They don't really care about Whites at all - they just hate Jews because they're Jewish and they don't really care if we're White, Black or Purple.
and are just like Commies - can't think so they blame others for their problems.
Why should we even bother change one who wants you dead? would you do that with an Arab/Muslim to? You can show him you're not really stealing his land.
i will not talk with a muslim beacuse they are all scums and traitors to humanity.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
The Lefties think that Judaism is immoral because they've never tried it (talking about Jewish Lefties, never gave a crap about Gentile Lefties because that's not my deal) and think that it's primitive etc. Most Lefties don't even understand the truth and are rational. Once you show the truth about Torah, about Islam, about Rabbi Kahane, about the evil Communo-Fascist regime in Israel, etc they can change.
Neo-Nazis have an emotional charge against Jews especially and most of humanity generally. They adore the Nazis - who killed 10 times more Whites than non-Whites.
They don't really care about Whites at all - they just hate Jews because they're Jewish and they don't really care if we're White, Black or Purple.
and are just like Commies - can't think so they blame others for their problems.
Why should we even bother change one who wants you dead? would you do that with an Arab/Muslim to? You can show him you're not really stealing his land.
i will not talk with a muslim beacuse they are all scums and traitors to humanity.
And how are Nazis different....................?
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ben
Nazis are just as bad if not worse than leftists...But Leftists today are more dangerous than actual Nazis.
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ben
Nazis are just as bad if not worse than leftists...But Leftists today are more dangerous than actual Nazis.
you see.that is my point.and if we allow leftists to the hebrew forum for the sake of debate we can do the same to nazies in the english forum.
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for kahane was right..this is a quote from chaim
"I don't think Jews control the media, but they do play a disproportionately large role in the media. General Electric, which owns NBC, is not Jewish. CBS is not owned by Jews. CNN is Ted Turner. But there's no question that Jews play an enormous role in the media."
A "Disproportionate role" is not the same thing as saying "overrepresented." That is exactly why I wanted to hear your definition of the term "overrepresented." With the word as is, there is an implicit value judgement. But I want to hear 'straight from the horse's mouth' what you actually mean by that term. You still have yet to explain. And I'm still waiting.
Perhaps i can throw a question back to you kahane was right, why are you asking me all these questions?
This is silly. Your statement in another thread about Jews in the media is what prompted me to ask for clarification (not to randomly play 20 questions with you). I have already stated this.
is there a motive
Yes, the motive in asking you the questions is to find out your answers to the questions.
you call my "snipping" bad for the forum,
It's not really a subjective thing. Anyone can attest to this, and naturally people observe this unwritten rule because unruly and bulky quoting sessions get out of hand and make the threads unmanagable or intolerable. You are the first person in a long time to grievously violate this seemingly universal practice (although it seems your friend ben is mimicking your behavior there too), and that is why I comment to you with constructive criticism to keep this forum functioning at a high level. If the forum is a place of quality, it simply HAS to have standards to maintain a given level of quality. There is no other way.
It's not about "you" or "Your snipping" it's about the snipping and the standards of the forum, plain and simple. Don't take it personally.
well i think whats bad for the forum is members such as mumon, brennanfam and you accusing people left right and center.
I don't accuse people left and right, so if you are not honest about me and you level baseless accusations at me, why should I or anyone else for that matter take anything else you say seriously, and why should I consider your complaints about these other people honest?
It may be that there are other things aside from bulk-quoting that are bad for the forum, but I wasn't addressing a checklist of things bad for the forum, I was just pointing out one problem that is very easy to fix if you are willing to work constructively with the forum and not against it.
Also, 5 minutes ago you said muman had "moved on" so you don't have problems with him, yet here again you call him out personally. The personal vandettas and grudges are also expressions of petty teenage behavior. Cut it out. The forum is not a place for flame-wars or personality cults or 'mean girls' episodes.
Granted you did not directly call me anti semitic,
Then why did you say I "accuse people left and right"
And accuse them of what? You are displaying teenage clique-like behavior and it seems if one person says something to you that you don't like, any of his friends are "enemies of the forum" or whatever you are going on about.
but it dam well appeared that way.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
So ill ask you another question, do you think i am anti semitic?
I'm not sure. Maybe if you explain your views more directly and answer some questions I can decide for sure what I think about you.
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ben
Nazis are just as bad if not worse than leftists...But Leftists today are more dangerous than actual Nazis.
you see.that is my point.and if we allow leftists to the hebrew forum for the sake of debate we can do the same to nazies in the english forum.
You're not making sense.
Most leftists when they support peace with the arab muslim nazis, they are not doing so because they actually think that this will enable Arabs to kill more Jews and they want Jews to die. With very few exceptions, these leftists do not want to see Jews murdered.
These arab muslim nazis should be killed, but the leftists in this case do not share their views.
Nazis on the other hand, share the views of the arab muslim nazis and want to throw all Jews into gas chambers, even the most pale, pasty white Jews. Their ideology, what defines one as a nazi, is that Jews should be murdered. Thus, nazis should be killed.
Leftists are dangerous but not the same.
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for kahane was right..this is a quote from chaim
"I don't think Jews control the media, but they do play a disproportionately large role in the media. General Electric, which owns NBC, is not Jewish. CBS is not owned by Jews. CNN is Ted Turner. But there's no question that Jews play an enormous role in the media."
A "Disproportionate role" is not the same thing as saying "overrepresented." That is exactly why I wanted to hear your definition of the term "overrepresented." With the word as is, there is an implicit value judgement. But I want to hear 'straight from the horse's mouth' what you actually mean by that term. You still have yet to explain. And I'm still waiting.
Perhaps i can throw a question back to you kahane was right, why are you asking me all these questions?
This is silly. Your statement in another thread about Jews in the media is what prompted me to ask for clarification (not to randomly play 20 questions with you). I have already stated this.
is there a motive
Yes, the motive in asking you the questions is to find out your answers to the questions.
you call my "snipping" bad for the forum,
It's not really a subjective thing. Anyone can attest to this, and naturally people observe this unwritten rule because unruly and bulky quoting sessions get out of hand and make the threads unmanagable or intolerable. You are the first person in a long time to grievously violate this seemingly universal practice (although it seems your friend ben is mimicking your behavior there too), and that is why I comment to you with constructive criticism to keep this forum functioning at a high level. If the forum is a place of quality, it simply HAS to have standards to maintain a given level of quality. There is no other way.
It's not about "you" or "Your snipping" it's about the snipping and the standards of the forum, plain and simple. Don't take it personally.
well i think whats bad for the forum is members such as mumon, brennanfam and you accusing people left right and center.
I don't accuse people left and right, so if you are not honest about me and you level baseless accusations at me, why should I or anyone else for that matter take anything else you say seriously, and why should I consider your complaints about these other people honest?
It may be that there are other things aside from bulk-quoting that are bad for the forum, but I wasn't addressing a checklist of things bad for the forum, I was just pointing out one problem that is very easy to fix if you are willing to work constructively with the forum and not against it.
Also, 5 minutes ago you said muman had "moved on" so you don't have problems with him, yet here again you call him out personally. The personal vandettas and grudges are also expressions of petty teenage behavior. Cut it out. The forum is not a place for flame-wars or personality cults or 'mean girls' episodes.
Granted you did not directly call me anti semitic,
Then why did you say I "accuse people left and right"
And accuse them of what? You are displaying teenage clique-like behavior and it seems if one person says something to you that you don't like, any of his friends are "enemies of the forum" or whatever you are going on about.
but it dam well appeared that way.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
So ill ask you another question, do you think i am anti semitic?
I'm not sure. Maybe if you explain your views more directly and answer some questions I can decide for sure what I think about you.
Explain what??what is there to explain, i admitted i worded it incorrectly, i admitted chaim worded it far better than me, so what do you want me to explain.
Choose your words carefully, as i have never insulted a member on here personally, but you are going the right way for me to literally debunk your life. At the moment you are coming acorss as an ugly troll.
The fact that you "dont know whether i am antisemitic" is very disgusting thing to say, so ill take a deep breath as i am the forgiving type, and await an apology from you..
Good luck...
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I don't know what to say here without fanning the fires. I have been here on the forum from the start and in the early days we had very little of this sort of discontent between Jewish and non Jewish members. While I respect Muman as a fellow moderator I know if he had his way I would not be on the JTF moderator staff or even on JTF itself. JTF forum started out with a large percentage of gentile support. Sadly much of that support has been turned away by posts and threads that at times were very destructive. The forum we have today may have a larger membership then in the early days but is defiantly less dynamic. Whats even sadder is that the support that was lost has not been replaced by something more desirable to the persons doing the damage. Muman needs to decide on a policy he can't say hurtfull things about Gentiles in one thread and then apologise in another. After a few times the apologies become meaningless.
Can you point out what about Muman's post in this thread was "hurtful to gentiles?"
I respect your opinion CJD, and I don't always agree with what Muman has to say, but I have read Muman's "let's unite post" and see nothing wrong with it and nothing that should be perceived as a slight to non Jews. He is simply stating Jewish religious principles - is that a slight to non-Jews?
Chaim has also commented in this thread and applauded Muman's post, so I hate to say it but maybe in this case CJD you are imagining something and holding a grudge against Muman for past comments, G-d forbid.
I respect your opinion as well Kahane-Was-Right BT . Muman has made it quite plain in a number of past threads that if the Gentiles here on the forum were to disappear it would be no great loss. This is an old issue that has been put on the table a few times before. As an old time original member yourself you have been around long enough to know I don't hold grudges and I only want all our members to get along. I think its fine for Muman post about Jewish Principles but its possible to do that without even bringing Gentiles into the issue. I actually enjoy reading some of the material he posts. I saw what Chaim posted in this thread and it was one of the few times I can say I did not agree with his position.
cjd,
This is not honest at all... I never called for removing Non-Jews from the forum. Please state what I said, with a link, so I can explain what you obviously misread from me..
You never actually called for removing non Jews from the forum but it would not bother you much if they they all tossed in the towel and left. You have made many posts in the past that plainly shows how you feel on this issue such as the one where you said at some point the wheat will have to be separated from the chaff. You told me yourself it bothers you that the forum has such a high percentage non Jews to Jews. In all honesty Muman I consider you a good member and a person who tries to do what he believes is right. My only concern on this issue is the fact that we have lost some valuable support from Gentiles who have read some of the toxic threads in the past and have left the forum for good. I am not going to post a laundry list of threads and posts... What would be the point... I feel that in order for JTF to be successfully here in America we need to have a big tent policy... Big tent meaning Conservative G-d fearing people who want whats good for Israel and America.
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Explain what??what is there to explain, i admitted i worded it incorrectly, i admitted chaim worded it far better than me, so what do you want me to explain.
It's simple really. I just want to know what you mean by what you say that Jews are 'overrepresented' in the media. Do you think that there shouldn't be so many Jews in the media?
but you are going the right way for me to literally debunk your life.
Oh, Wow! What's next, you're going to spraypaint on a locker and then act out in class?
The fact that you "dont know whether i am antisemitic" is very disgusting thing to say, so ill take a deep breath as i am the forgiving type, and await an apology from you..
Good luck...
Why should I make authoritative statements one way or the other about someone I don't know?
In the future, when you type "i" do so with a capital letter I. This is not a game of hopskotch at third grade recess.
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect. Why did chaim do a big speech about "never vote for the jew, always vote for the gentile". His words not mine. it shows that gentiles are also important.
Plus for people trying to make this site "pc" well i dont think jtf is for them. Since when has chaim been pc? Thats what i love about it, he calls a spade a spade, and it often in reference to people who are as dark as a spade.
98 percent of blacks are evil, we cant deleted foot around that issue. Does that mean i want to ban black membrs, no of course not, because i believe there are blacks that would love to join and unite against evil black culture. Plus they are w1ggers who are black wannabees, i would also send back to africa since they love that culture so much.
But if you want to be PC then please show me whats pc about this great chaim speech??this is what jtf's about....if you dont like it, then join some left wing affirmative action forum, like espn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5PHM96ZPDk
you were just PC a second ago...you said that 2% of blacks are decent while the vast majority aren't...That's what I meant by being PC...we tell the truth, we are blunt about it, but have to add that disclaimer every so often..and for those of us who are a little more PC, we need to add the disclaimer that it is the over all majority so we can assume guilty until proven innocent...here in the US and Europe, we have to do it if we want more decent members..we need to unbrainwash people to feel that it is ok to accept that the overwhelming majority are evil because of their culture and that by saying that doesn't make anyone racist...it's when someone claims the other is inferior because of their genetics.
To me it's understood that most people here including Chaim when they talk about Blacks in a bad way they mean their culture and not their genetics...every so often chaim adds that disclaimer so not to give people the wrong impression about us...we aren't white nationalists nor nazis nor supremecists...we are people for the righteous.
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Explain what??what is there to explain, i admitted i worded it incorrectly, i admitted chaim worded it far better than me, so what do you want me to explain.
It's simple really. I just want to know what you mean by what you say that Jews are 'overrepresented' in the media. Do you think that there shouldn't be so many Jews in the media?
but you are going the right way for me to literally debunk your life.
Oh, Wow! What's next, you're going to spraypaint on a locker and then act out in class?
The fact that you "dont know whether i am antisemitic" is very disgusting thing to say, so ill take a deep breath as i am the forgiving type, and await an apology from you..
Good luck...
Why should I make authoritative statements one way or the other about someone I don't know?
In the future, when you type "i" do so with a capital letter I. This is not a game of hopskotch at third grade recess.
So your posts have gone from "i want to find out if you are a nazi even though all the evidence suggests that you are not, and that i am a complete and utter moron" to you correcting me on whether use grammar correctly. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I could post loads of sentences with the letter "i" in it to wind you up even more, like i did with the "incorrect quoting thing". But i am not as ugly as you, plus i am not a troll, so ill leave you with a post i did on the other thread.
"Nope you couldnt prove that i am a nazi,i dont know why you couldnt, it could be that you a bit wet around the ears, or it is perhaps the fact that you do not have any evidence. Take your pick.
Chaim calls me the "great christians4jews" when i ask the brillant man some questions, are you saying he is a liar?Are you insinuating he works with nazis?
Add the fact that you are so angry you had to reply to my post, which reinterates your obession with me.
Anyway, you are a hideous troll, that will probably never have any interaction with a female. I am going to be the rightous one here and leave this thread. I suggest that we try and avoid each other. I can easily avoid you ,as your posts are boring as watching grass grow with drying paint on them.
While my threads usually get alot of responses and debate. But either way, i think we should not cross paths, as it does look bad for the forum and to the rest of the great jtfers.
So from now on you will be debating with yourself, perhaps you might actually win that one, who knows.
Good luck in kisisng a girl a well..."
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I don't know what to say here without fanning the fires. I have been here on the forum from the start and in the early days we had very little of this sort of discontent between Jewish and non Jewish members. While I respect Muman as a fellow moderator I know if he had his way I would not be on the JTF moderator staff or even on JTF itself. JTF forum started out with a large percentage of gentile support. Sadly much of that support has been turned away by posts and threads that at times were very destructive. The forum we have today may have a larger membership then in the early days but is defiantly less dynamic. Whats even sadder is that the support that was lost has not been replaced by something more desirable to the persons doing the damage. Muman needs to decide on a policy he can't say hurtfull things about Gentiles in one thread and then apologise in another. After a few times the apologies become meaningless.
i bet to differ, CJD...lately this forum has been extremely interesting and though provoking..and the fact we aren't banning people left and right is making me want to post more...i don't think i have ever posted so much in a long time.
And I give props to Muman...I love Lubovitch Jews and Jews who turn again toward to Judaism. I listen to them intently and with a lot of respect...I am bound to listen to Jews who are Shomer Shabbat more than Jews who aren't...Jews who are Shomer Kashrut more than those who are not. Jews who study Torah regularly and wear Tfillin that those who do not...
The exceptions to the rule are when their actions show the opposite to the spirit of Judaism. I don't feel at any point Muman ever put down a single non Jew on this forum nor even sounded like he was superior to anyone here. If anything he has shown patience even with our good friend, Ben, the athiest and self-hating Jew. Seeing how Muman and Chaim are treating him even gives me hope that Ben will come around as long as he stops listening to stupid Nazis on the other side of his brain.
I give a lot of props to Muman even with this thread and I think everyone here should be also.
As far as Muman's comments about his priority to help Jews in Israel over anyone else..well, that is the Jewish way...we Jews should focus on our own people before we focus on the whole world...fix our family before we fix everybody else's..The only thing I beg to differ is that helping gentiles to fix the USA is also a Jewish necessity...and one way can be by setting an example of how we Jews will fix Israel..Likewise pointing out the evils of the majority of Blacks...we have to help righteous gentiles point these things out just like we point it out with Arab Muslim Nazis...The majority of blacks are jealous of "whitey" and "uncle Tom" and only destroy just like the Arab Nazis.
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While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect. Why did chaim do a big speech about "never vote for the jew, always vote for the gentile". His words not mine. it shows that gentiles are also important.
Plus for people trying to make this site "pc" well i dont think jtf is for them. Since when has chaim been pc? Thats what i love about it, he calls a spade a spade, and it often in reference to people who are as dark as a spade.
98 percent of blacks are evil, we cant deleted foot around that issue. Does that mean i want to ban black membrs, no of course not, because i believe there are blacks that would love to join and unite against evil black culture. Plus they are w1ggers who are black wannabees, i would also send back to africa since they love that culture so much.
But if you want to be PC then please show me whats pc about this great chaim speech??this is what jtf's about....if you dont like it, then join some left wing affirmative action forum, like espn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5PHM96ZPDk
you were just PC a second ago...you said that 2% of blacks are decent while the vast majority aren't...That's what I meant by being PC...we tell the truth, we are blunt about it, but have to add that disclaimer every so often..and for those of us who are a little more PC, we need to add the disclaimer that it is the over all majority so we can assume guilty until proven innocent...here in the US and Europe, we have to do it if we want more decent members..we need to unbrainwash people to feel that it is ok to accept that the overwhelming majority are evil because of their culture and that by saying that doesn't make anyone racist...it's when someone claims the other is inferior because of their genetics.
To me it's understood that most people here including Chaim when they talk about Blacks in a bad way they mean their culture and not their genetics...every so often chaim adds that disclaimer so not to give people the wrong impression about us...we aren't white nationalists nor nazis nor supremecists...we are people for the righteous.
i have not mentioned genetics mate, plus i believe god made us all equal regardless of race.
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FYI C4J nor anyone here is a Nazi....nor likes Nazis.
Only one person here seems to have a soft spot to think Nazis are better than blacks and leftists....we need to show that person that he is wrong that all are evil.
While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect.
Give it a rest. You are paranoid (and making divisive comments constantly). Just like you seem to buy into other 'conspiracies' Funny you never replied to those questions.
So do you agree with the neo-nazis that Jews are over-represented in the media? Why or why not?
i agree that you guys need to get down form the genitiles.stop this religious supremacy now!
Can I ask what in the hell you're talking about?
Aside from piggybacking everything "christians4jews" says, can you explain what exactly you're saying?
Where is anyone "down on the gentiles?" What does it have to do with "religious supremacy" ? And where is the religious supremacy ?
If you think religious people in this forum are going to cater to your "feelings" like christians4jews does and tell you what you want to hear by condoning secular lifestyle, keep dreaming, we will never do such a thing. The religious way of life is of course better. We don't have any reason to be ashamed of that or to express any lack of confidence that that is so. That does not constitute "religious supremacy" except if you are overly defensive and afraid we might be correct.
I see my poor "snipping" Annoys you so i will continue, why, as it annoys you.
As for your weak question that all of a sudden is directed at me, yes i will answer it. You really should not have wasted 5 minutes of your life asking it though, as i am the worst person on here to ask.
I have had some many debates with anti semitic whites about jews in the media, in fact i did a thread bashing whites supremacists and believing that "the jews are the route of all evil" about a week ago. Here it is...ill wait for your apology.
Yes i do think jews are over represented in hollywood and the media, but that is a quote from chaim ben psech, not just me. is he anti semitic for saying such a thing? Plus i dont think the hollywood jews represent the real jews. I think the non assimalated jews of israel represent the real jews hence why they only give obama a 4 percent approval rating. Compare to the american jews of 60+percent.
Does that mean i am anti semitic?and a neo nazi?I fail on every category if i do, for starters my IQ is above 80. I have dated many girls of all races, something you probably havnt done, i have jewish blood in my family, and the person and all his deciples i worship are jews. Add the fact that i am a regular on a forum called "jewish task force" and hold a jew(chaim ben psech) as a modern day great. AND i believe that i will be cursed if i do not suppert israel, so i am the ultimate zionist. Do you reckon i would get in hitler youth with those policies?
To be fair muman has moved on, you on the other hand seem to have an agenda that any new poster whether jew or gentile is a nazi, in fact ill go as far as saying you almost want us to be nazis.
Its on par with me going to our great german jtfers 'you are from gemrany arnt you, thats where hitlers from isnt it...therefore you must be a nazi"
You need to relax, so you dont agree with me that "jews are over represented in hollywood"a chaim quote" how is that me being a nazi? If it makes you feel better i hate 95 percent the gentiles that are in the media/hollywood, they do not represent my views at all.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
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convince Nazis Jews are white...you dummy?!?!?!? :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
You know what that Nazi would say? "Sure sure you're right and then when you turn your back, shoot your brains out....
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Nazis are just as bad if not worse than leftists...But Leftists today are more dangerous than actual Nazis.
you see.that is my point.and if we allow leftists to the hebrew forum for the sake of debate we can do the same to nazies in the english forum.
nazis won't change..nor will black nazis..nor will muslims nazis...
even certain jewish traitors..
But people, like you Ben, I hope, who is a self hating Jew by true definition, we can debate and hopefully change, Gd willing...
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exactly...you're not a racist and a very righteous gentile...so I trust what you have to say about a lot of things..you and I agree...nobody should pick on you or accuse you of being a nazi because a real nazi thinks all races are unequal..and one race is more superior because of genetics... :dance:
While I don't agree with Muman a lot, I think his call for unity is sincere. Its almost as there is an agent provaceteur here. some force trying to wedge us apart, and its working.
A small percentage of members here, have to realize that if we abandon righteous Gentiles, this movement will be in jeopardy. If you don't believe me, talk to Chaim about this. Yes, you may not be offending Dr. Brennan Fan, but you ARE offending a good portion of them.
Ive seem some horrible divisive posts recently. Horrible name-calling. Ive honestly been turned off from the forum. When I see unnecessary dissunity, our goals become harder to reach.
exactly, i think some of the jewish members on here have to show the gentiles more respect. Why did chaim do a big speech about "never vote for the jew, always vote for the gentile". His words not mine. it shows that gentiles are also important.
Plus for people trying to make this site "pc" well i dont think jtf is for them. Since when has chaim been pc? Thats what i love about it, he calls a spade a spade, and it often in reference to people who are as dark as a spade.
98 percent of blacks are evil, we cant deleted foot around that issue. Does that mean i want to ban black membrs, no of course not, because i believe there are blacks that would love to join and unite against evil black culture. Plus they are w1ggers who are black wannabees, i would also send back to africa since they love that culture so much.
But if you want to be PC then please show me whats pc about this great chaim speech??this is what jtf's about....if you dont like it, then join some left wing affirmative action forum, like espn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5PHM96ZPDk
you were just PC a second ago...you said that 2% of blacks are decent while the vast majority aren't...That's what I meant by being PC...we tell the truth, we are blunt about it, but have to add that disclaimer every so often..and for those of us who are a little more PC, we need to add the disclaimer that it is the over all majority so we can assume guilty until proven innocent...here in the US and Europe, we have to do it if we want more decent members..we need to unbrainwash people to feel that it is ok to accept that the overwhelming majority are evil because of their culture and that by saying that doesn't make anyone racist...it's when someone claims the other is inferior because of their genetics.
To me it's understood that most people here including Chaim when they talk about Blacks in a bad way they mean their culture and not their genetics...every so often chaim adds that disclaimer so not to give people the wrong impression about us...we aren't white nationalists nor nazis nor supremecists...we are people for the righteous.
i have not mentioned genetics mate, plus i believe G-d made us all equal regardless of race.
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Honestly I read the first four pages of this thread and I can't read any more of these posts. BEN, you are filled with illogic and contradictions: you can't possibly expect people on here to be tolerant of white nationalist racists and THEN in the same breath condemn Jews on this forum whom you perceive to be doing the same thing. You accuse Muman of being anti-gentile, but then you demand space for a movement that is anti-Jew? What is with you? I don't like you introducing 16 year old madness onto this forum. If you are bored and want to make trouble, do it somewhere else. I am starting to question whether or not you are 'setting up' fights.
That said anyone who doesn't think that their religious views are compatible with being friends with people from other religions, and yes this means respecting those same said people, should be QUIET about it. This is just as it is in marriage or relationships: YOU DO NOT NEED TO EXPRESS YOURSELF ALL OF THE TIME, SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO SAY NOTHING AND BE QUIET FOR THE SAKE OF THE HARMONY OF THE RELATIONSHIP, This idea that we must express ourselves all the time to be authentic is part of the evil and selfishness of our culture. People would do well here to remember that we are all in this together, imperfect as we ALL are
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Good post jtfe
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If someone is posting stuff that annoys you then perhaps the best response is NO response. After all you cannot have an argument with someone if you don't post back. People who post comments that clearly go against what JTF stands for such as acceptance of white nationalism should be ignored, because if their posts are not responded to then there is no reason for them to keep posting. Furthermore, any posts they make will go down to the bottom and eventually disappear off the first page of the forums.
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Nazism [see below link], and Fascism [Benito Mussolini was a student of Vladimir Lenin's, and Giovanni Gentile was an admirer of Marx] are both Leftist philosophies similar to Marxism and Communism.
http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000400.html
^Nazism is a form of Leftism; This link and the links within the essay clarify this.
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http://marxwords.blogspot.com/
^Karl Marx was also a open racist, just as much as Hitler [I would say even more so, only less successful in his decimation of "inferior" races].
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Nazism, and Fascism are merely an evolutions of Marxism/Communism... all clearly Leftist. Social Democrats subscribe to a sister philosophy, or modernized derivative of any of these earlier philosophies. None of these Leftist philosophies advocate a small government with laissez faire type Capitalism or philosophies similar to Hayek's, Friedman's or that of Mises. [Laissez faire Capitalism is not quite realistic, but a system close to it is]
To dislike Leftism, but favor Nazism is an inconsistent view.
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Where do you get this stuff from? Considering you thought that the Jewish people died out and didn't exist for a period of ~600 years, then were reconstituted by "khazar" phonies who somehow resurrected their writings, culture, and Torah out of dust since that was lost too, you are the last person to speak about what "Jewish spirit" is for or against. How can a person completely ignorant of Jewish history try to lecture about what it is to be Jewish? I mean really, consider what you are saying here and please have some humility to at least acknowledge you don't know everything about Jewish identity (I'm being generous phrasing it that way, since it's obvious you know next to nothing - And I don't mean this as an insult but as simply pointing out what your other statements reflect about what you know/don't know). Let's be honest here.
I agree, it's time for Ben to "be honest here" as well, KWRBT.
For not being a WN, he certainly believes in and promotes every single one of their claims.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
Well now, here's the flaw in your logic. Nazis did not only kill and brutalize Jews during WWII but many others as well. And, are you ready for this one, most of those others were WHITE! So, assuming neo-nazis adhere to the ideology of the original nazis, I don't think they give a rat's ass whether Jews belong to the white race or not. If you really believe that convincing them that Jews are white will make them embrace and love Jews, you are either disingenuous or naive.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
Well now, here's the flaw in your logic. Nazis did not only kill and brutalize Jews during WWII but many others as well. And, are you ready for this one, most of those others were WHITE! So, assuming neo-nazis adhere to the ideology of the original nazis, I don't think they give a rat's donkey whether Jews belong to the white race or not. If you really believe that convincing them that Jews are white will make them embrace and love Jews, you are either disingenuous or naive.
not of the neo nazies ar following the original ideologies of nazism.most of them are just white supremacists otherwise we wouldn't have seen the rise of a neo nazi movements in places like serbia,russia,and the united states.most of them are just stupid and bored with their lives.
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Neo-nazis want to throw your Mizrahi behind into an oven.
Why would you be "nice" to such an animal? He is not "nice" to you.
If there are people calling for death to Jews and putting Jews in ovens, I'm sure they will be banned from the Hebrew forum.
As much as you don't like "leftists" most leftists are not actually desiring to throw Jews in gas chambers. Most don't understand their views or the other side's views beyond a simplistic level as told by the media. Most can be pursuaded or at least debated. With a nazi there is no debate to be had.
You should learn from the rallies Rabbi Kahane made against neo-nazis in skokie. The JDL people showed up and beat the crap out of the nazis. Plain and simple. No being nice and no respect. Another occasion, Rabbi Kahane challenged their pedofile leader to a fight and the coward never showed up.
you are wrong in that point.it is actually quite the opposite.the leftists are plain over and deliberatly forcing the governments to a suicide acts and want to participate with the arabs in wnating to destroy the jews.neo nazies are just fools that clearly can't understand who is white and who isn't.
Neo-Nazis are just fools who hate Jews and Lefties are just fools who hate Jews too. No difference except that most Lefties are brainwashed and think that they're opinions are pro-Jewish while Neo-Nazis are biased Jew haters.
this is the opposite,the leftists hates the jews beacuse they hate everybody who isn't a leftist too.neo-nazies hates jew beacuse they think jews don't belong to the white race and we need to convince them they are wrong.
Well now, here's the flaw in your logic. Nazis did not only kill and brutalize Jews during WWII but many others as well. And, are you ready for this one, most of those others were WHITE! So, assuming neo-nazis adhere to the ideology of the original nazis, I don't think they give a rat's donkey whether Jews belong to the white race or not. If you really believe that convincing them that Jews are white will make them embrace and love Jews, you are either disingenuous or naive.
not of the neo nazies ar following the original ideologies of nazism.most of them are just white supremacists otherwise we wouldn't have seen the rise of a neo nazi movements in places like serbia,russia,and the united states.most of them are just stupid and bored with their lives.
Look my young friend, you have no way of knowing what the neo-nazis follow or truly believe unless you trust everything they tell you. So, having said that, I do not sympathize with ANY nazis, whether they are old school or neo, because I can never trust what they say. By the way, I am not Jewish so they may consider me white, or they may not, or they may consider me white but not white enough for them, or they may consider me white enough for them to use me for their purposes until I'm no longer needed...etc. I really don't care what they think because they can all kiss my [censored] ass (hey does anyone else here use obscenities on purpose sometimes just to see what the forum filter does?).
As far as blacks are concerned, as has been said here SO many times before by SO many different people, it is the sorry excuse of a culture that most (yes, most) of them follow that is the problem. I have no problem with blacks simply because of the color of their skin but because of their actions; just like I will not automatically support a white [censored] just because he is white.
Now can we please stop
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
Why can't you apologise properly without a nasty venomous comment?
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
Perhaps you should take your first step towards becoming a man and include DBF in your offer above.
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
Perhaps you should take your first step towards becoming a man and include DBF in your offer above.
i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
Perhaps you should take your first step towards becoming a man and include DBF in your offer above.
i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
DBF calls everyone a homosexual and a Nazi. :) Don't lose any sleep over it.
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
Perhaps you should take your first step towards becoming a man and include DBF in your offer above.
i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
DBF calls everyone a homosexual and a Nazi. :) Don't lose any sleep over it.
:::D He hasn't called me either one yet. Come on DBF, I dare you to cross over that line.
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okay guys iam sorry.i behaved like an idiot i know :'( i will apoplgise for anyone4 who will ask it sincerely with the notable expection of dr.brennan fan.
Perhaps you should take your first step towards becoming a man and include DBF in your offer above.
i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
DBF calls everyone a homosexual and a Nazi. :) Don't lose any sleep over it.
yes but i don't think he sent PORN to anybody else besides me,skkie,and righ wing genitile.i wish i hadn't deleted the message so i would be able to publish it.
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yes but i don't think he sent PORN to anybody else besides me,skkie,and righ wing genitile.i wish i hadn't deleted the message so i would be able to publish it.
Obviously you do not know the definition of porn. There was no porn whatsoever and several members have seen the actual message and they can attest to that.
But let me ask you why you were so offended by it. You said the pictures were gross. Hmmm. I want to know how many healthy males would be disgusted by those pictures. Is it fair for me to inquire why you would be so nauseated by them?
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Ben M., what was sent to you was not porn. Now while I don't agree with the language Dr. Brennan Fan used in that message, I'll defend him any day over some kid who says we shouldn't hurt the feelings of neo-Nazis. In fact, you're not fit to clean Dr. Brennan Fan's toilet.
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yes but i don't think he sent PORN to anybody else besides me,skkie,and righ wing genitile.i wish i hadn't deleted the message so i would be able to publish it.
Obviously you do not know the definition of porn. There was no porn whatsoever and several members have seen the actual message and they can attest to that.
But let me ask you why you were so offended by it. You said the pictures were gross. Hmmm. I want to know how many healthy males would be disgusted by those pictures. Is it fair for me to inquire why you would be so nauseated by them?
yes it will be fair.it is probably the first fair questions you have asked in you entire life.i get nauseated by this pictures beacuse they are porn.i hate to porn and i don't care if it is a male,a female or an animal.
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Ben M., what was sent to you was not porn. Now while I don't agree with the language Dr. Brennan Fan used in that message, I'll defend him any day over some kid who says we shouldn't hurt the feelings of neo-Nazis. In fact, you're not fit to clean Dr. Brennan Fan's toilet.
i will better ignore this post so not to be tempted.
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i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
But you call nazi's your "allies" and come to their defense to the hilt. How could you be upset by it now?
Do you really think people take you for what you attempt to look like?
And how come in this particular post you fail to make even one grammatical error which you so vigorously strife to make your trademark?
Do you really think people don't see what you are?
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I have the greatest respect for Dr. Brennan Fan he's always been very accurate in pointing out posters who might be duplicitous
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i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
But you call nazi's your "allies" and come to their defense to the hilt. How could you be upset by it now?
Do you really think people take you for what you attempt to look like?
And how come in this particular post you fail to make even one grammatical error which you so vigorously strife to make your trademark?
Do you really think people don't see what you are?
yes but this porn was sent to me a way before this thread even created.and the grammatical errors was made beacuse english is not my first language (do you see the grammatical error now?).
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i will never apologise to someone who sent me porn and called me homosexual and nazi.i also have a limit to my patience.
But you call nazi's your "allies" and come to their defense to the hilt. How could you be upset by it now?
Do you really think people take you for what you attempt to look like?
And how come in this particular post you fail to make even one grammatical error which you so vigorously strife to make your trademark?
Do you really think people don't see what you are?
yes but this porn was sent to me a way before this thread even created.and the grammatical errors was made beacuse english is not my first language (do you see the grammatical error now?).
You cannot hide from reasoning and you cannot answer my questions. Dodging questions exposes your fraud. I think your days are numbered here.
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I agree with Lisa. I think Dr. Brennan fan may have sent you an angry letter as anyone including me could have. I'm not saying that's right especially if you didn't send him one first. BUT I do not believe for one second that he sent you or anyone else on this forum "porn"
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Ben m: "i will better ignore this post so not to be tempted."
A sign of personal growth!
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Is there any way you could use spell check?
yes but i don't think he sent PORN to anybody else besides me,skkie,and righ wing genitile.i wish i hadn't deleted the message so i would be able to publish it.
Obviously you do not know the definition of porn. There was no porn whatsoever and several members have seen the actual message and they can attest to that.
But let me ask you why you were so offended by it. You said the pictures were gross. Hmmm. I want to know how many healthy males would be disgusted by those pictures. Is it fair for me to inquire why you would be so nauseated by them?
yes it will be fair.it is probably the first fair questions you have asked in you entire life.i get nauseated by this pictures beacuse they are porn.i hate to porn and i don't care if it is a male,a female or an animal.
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yes but this porn was sent to me
How about just admitting that beautiful women nauseate you.
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yes but this porn was sent to me
How about just admitting that beautiful women nauseate you.
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yes but this porn was sent to me
How about just admitting that beautiful women nauseate you.
and what make you think they caused me a nausea?