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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 31, 2010, 05:02:43 PM
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I think all members can benefit from what I'm writing here. People with criticisms should be specific about what they complain about. It does not add value to the forum to simply state insults about all the members in general, or to call names (ie weak), or to denegrate the forum itself as a whole without specifying what exactly your complaint is about specifically and what position or deed you are bothered by. Constructive criticism is not achieved through insults or "labelling." (ie, JTF is good, JTF is bad, etc). Similarly, one should address a person specifically if they do not appreciate this person's approach to the forum or their view, and not simply assume that everyone else also agrees with said person and then jump on everybody. We can only grow through direct and specific discussion. So we will have better, constructive criticism if complaints are dealt with in this manner, in my opinion.
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When you can all learn HOW to debate these enemies, I wont be back.
YOU ARE WEAK.
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I would also like to request that if a problem could be resolved by private message instead of in public it would be better for the peace and harmony of the forum as a whole. I do not suggest that everyone gossip about members in private as that would be lashon hara. What I am saying is that a first attempt should be made to avoid embarassing everyone.
Then, if a member is a honorable and winged member I think that questions about JTF forum policies, who should be banned, who not to ban, and other things should be discussed in the honorable and winged member forum instead of in public...
That is my suggestion...
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When you can all learn HOW to debate these enemies, I wont be back.
YOU ARE WEAK.
Do you really think you can debate people who may hold deep antisemitic beliefs? Maybe some think that the Jews can help in their cause, but I think Hitler and his type clearly said what many white nationalists think, that Jews are not 'loyal' to the white race...
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AsheDina, you really want to DEBATE someone who defends Nazi Germany?
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We fight Nazis on our blog and send them packing, you got a problem with that? AsheDina and I will not be perceived as weak people.
We have guns and will use them, we use IP sniffers as well. We put up Youtubes of guns going off.
David
Ps: See you all Sunday.
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I'm not called "Al Majnoon al Yahoodi" (the Jewish nutcse) by Arabs for nothing, and I see 0 reasons to debate Nazis.
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When you can all learn HOW to debate these enemies, I wont be back.
YOU ARE WEAK.
I think you just did the opposite of what I suggested.
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We fight Nazis on our blog and send them packing, you got a problem with that? AsheDina and I will not be perceived as weak people.
We have guns and will use them, we use IP sniffers as well. We put up Youtubes of guns going off.
David
Ps: See you all Sunday.
And guns are going to scare the nazis to believe what you say... Is that naive, or what?
Guns are good to protect yourself... I think that we all agree with this. But you will not change the opinion of Jew haters by having a gun...
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Since it is difficult to discern what the actual complaint is. I will say this.
1. I believe a forum operates through debate and discussion of the issues, while "ad hominem attack" and name-calling are the antithesis of a productive forum.
2. There are still red lines to any good forum. We can debate about where to establish those lines/boundaries and when someone crosses them.
3. If you are suggesting we should "debate" nazis, there is nothing to debate with such animals.
4. With a general leftist or liberal, etc, there is much to debate. Really with any non-nazi.
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When you can all learn HOW to debate these enemies, I wont be back.
YOU ARE WEAK.
Do you really think you can debate people who may hold deep antisemitic beliefs? Maybe some think that the Jews can help in their cause, but I think Hitler and his type clearly said what many white nationalists think, that Jews are not 'loyal' to the white race...
Unfortunately, most Jews prove them to be right on that one. Jews like Paulette and myself try to show that not all Jews should be seen as the enemy of the White race. Who knows, perhaps by doing that we can change the minds of some on the other side? I know for a fact that some of them have changed their minds about Jews because of having met Jews like Paulette and me. To us, that is our way of practicing pikuach nefesh.
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When you can all learn HOW to debate these enemies, I wont be back.
YOU ARE WEAK.
Do you really think you can debate people who may hold deep antisemitic beliefs? Maybe some think that the Jews can help in their cause, but I think Hitler and his type clearly said what many white nationalists think, that Jews are not 'loyal' to the white race...
Unfortunately, most Jews prove them to be right on that one. Jews like Paulette and myself try to show that not all Jews should be seen as the enemy of the White race. Who knows, perhaps by doing that we can change the minds of some on the other side? I know for a fact that some of them have changed their minds about Jews because of having met Jews like Paulette and me. To us, that is our way of practicing pikuach nefesh.
Once again the fatal mistake of thinking you can 'change the mind' of a nazi. This is what the liberal Jews think and is why they appeal for world opinion and to impress the gentiles with their support of blacks or "kindness" to the arab enemies. Simply craziness.
We can only do one thing which is embrace our own identity. We cannot live for other people, to impress other people, to gain favor in their eyes, etc etc. We can only be who we are supposed to be. That doesn't involve meddling in other people's race affairs, be they whites, blacks, chinese, or martians.
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Since it is difficult to discern what the actual complaint is. I will say this.
1. I believe a forum operates through debate and discussion of the issues, while "ad hominem attack" and name-calling are the antithesis of a productive forum.
2. There are still red lines to any good forum. We can debate about where to establish those lines/boundaries and when someone crosses them.
3. If you are suggesting we should "debate" nazis, there is nothing to debate with such animals.
4. With a general leftist or liberal, etc, there is much to debate. Really with any non-nazi.
VVVVV
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When you can all learn HOW to debate these enemies, I wont be back.
YOU ARE WEAK.
Do you really think you can debate people who may hold deep antisemitic beliefs? Maybe some think that the Jews can help in their cause, but I think Hitler and his type clearly said what many white nationalists think, that Jews are not 'loyal' to the white race...
Unfortunately, most Jews prove them to be right on that one. Jews like Paulette and myself try to show that not all Jews should be seen as the enemy of the White race. Who knows, perhaps by doing that we can change the minds of some on the other side? I know for a fact that some of them have changed their minds about Jews because of having met Jews like Paulette and me.
JAP,
I am sorry to say that the kapos also thought they were helping the Jewish people by being good Jews.. and so does Rahm Emmanuel who does the bidding of his master Obama, the court Jew wanted to look good to the nations.
I do not think that the Jewish prophets believed that the Jewish people would need to appeal to the White nations in order to fulfill the promises Hashem made to the patriarchs.
But if you feel successful that is good. I don't make policy here, I await Chaims word on this topic...
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David and AsheDina, please don't leave!
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Wait, Paullete and David are leaving because we don't want to debate Nazis? WTF? ???
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Wait, Paullete and David are leaving because we don't want to debate Nazis? WTF? ???
Makes no sense.
The real problem is unwillingness to debate with dissenting views of say, leftists, gays, liberal jews etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but once someone reveals themself to be an actual Nazi I don't think Chaim would ever say we still should 'debate' that person. What is there to debate with someone who wants to put Jews in ovens? I think he had in mind just other leftist type people and different views in general when he mentioned a new banning policy. I think there may be something being misinterpreted here.
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Chaim HIMSELF banned Skkie, without me or anybody else asking him to do that, right after he defended Nazi Germany, WHAT'S NOT CLEAR ABOUT THAT?
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Chaim HIMSELF banned Skkie, without me or anybody else asking him to do that, right after he defended Nazi Germany, WHAT'S NOT CLEAR ABOUT THAT?
That makes perfect sense.
There is nothing to debate with someone who wants to put Jews in ovens. They are simply a waste of space. Having nazis here will not attract new members but will attract more scum nazis like themselves to fill up the forum with human refuse and turn it into a mockery.
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What are you talking about? I just said, we will see you Sunday. Paulette gets upset easy, she is a fighter, she does not want her fellow Jews running scared. We will see you all on Sunday, JTF meeting.
David
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OK, I will be specific.
Skkie: Overtly promoting Nazism.
Ben: Overtly defending Nazis, obsession with the "white race", and defending homosexuality/homosexual culture.
RWG: Saying he would support a skinhead who was attacking a righteous black person, obsession with the "white race", and obsession with sodomy.
Hamantschen: Promotion of homosexuality.
Let me just state that I strongly believe they are all the same person.
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There is nothing to debate with someone who wants to put Jews in ovens.
Amen. If I had my way a lot more than banning would be done to Ben and Skkie (the same person most likely), but that would violate some laws.
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Nooooooooooo Paulette and Dave, don't leave.... :'(
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I have to say that if Paulette and David leave, then I will too. We are of one mind on this.
Muman, I think every Jew has to engage in pikuach nefesh according to how they feel Hashem wants them to. Because of our views on race, Paulette and I found ourselves in a situation where we were able to talk to WNs one on one and it has actually changed the minds of some of them about Jews. It is crucial for people like that to see firsthand that not all Jews are the enemy of the White European peoples, and that some of us are actually friendly or sympathetic to their issues regarding the black-white situation.
This does two things: One, it helps reduce antisemitism, and Two, it takes away some of the arguments of the more extreme neonazis amongst them, that "all Jews" are enemies of White Western civilization.
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OK, I will be specific.
Skkie: Overtly promoting Nazism.
Ben: Overtly defending Nazis, obsession with the "white race", and defending homosexuality/homosexual culture.
RWG: Saying he would support a skinhead who was attacking a righteous black person, obsession with the "white race", and obsession with sodomy.
Hamantschen: Promotion of homosexuality.
Let me just state that I strongly believe they are all the same person.
wow.i never defended homosexual culture.i said that greco-roman culture is one of the pillars of western society just as judeo christian culture are.
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i said that greco-roman culture is one of the pillars of western society just as judeo christian culture are.
Greco-Roman culture is homosexual culture.
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The forums wouldn't be the same without them. (David and Paulette)
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I have to say that if Paulette and David leave, then I will too. We are of one mind on this.
Muman, I think every Jew has to engage in pikuach nefesh according to how they feel Hashem wants them to. Because of our views on race, Paulette and I found ourselves in a situation where we were able to talk to WNs one on one and it has actually changed the minds of some of them about Jews. It is crucial for people like that to see firsthand that not all Jews are the enemy of the White European peoples, and that some of us are actually friendly or sympathetic to their issues regarding the black-white situation.
This does two things: One, it helps reduce antisemitism, and Two, it takes away some of the arguments of the more extreme neonazis amongst them, that "all Jews" are enemies of White Western civilization.
בס''ד
1. For your information, I am the one who banned Skkie. Nazis and defenders of Nazi Germany are not welcome on this forum. We don't debate Nazis. All Nazis should be killed. I did say that we will not ban people except under the most extreme circumstances. Defending Nazi Germany is an extreme circumstance to say the least.
2. David and Paulette never said they are leaving.
3. I don't like threats. Your threat to leave doesn't bother me in the least. If you want to spend your time begging Nazis not to hate Jews, that's your business. JTF doesn't have dialogues with Nazis and JTF doesn't beg Nazis not to hate us.
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1. For your information, I am the one who banned Skkie. Nazis and defenders of Nazi Germany are not welcome on this forum. We don't debate Nazis. All Nazis should be killed. I did say that we will not ban people except under the most extreme circumstances. Defending Nazi Germany is an extreme circumstance to say the least.
2. David and Paulette never said they are leaving.
3. I don't like threats. Your threat to leave doesn't bother me in the least. If you want to spend your time begging Nazis not to hate Jews, that's your business. JTF doesn't have dialogues with Nazis and JTF doesn't beg Nazis not to hate us.
Chaim, I agree with everything that you say, but I also believe that we should also ban so-called Jews that defend Nazi Germany.
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I have to say that if Paulette and David leave, then I will too. We are of one mind on this.
Muman, I think every Jew has to engage in pikuach nefesh according to how they feel Hashem wants them to. Because of our views on race, Paulette and I found ourselves in a situation where we were able to talk to WNs one on one and it has actually changed the minds of some of them about Jews. It is crucial for people like that to see firsthand that not all Jews are the enemy of the White European peoples, and that some of us are actually friendly or sympathetic to their issues regarding the black-white situation.
This does two things: One, it helps reduce antisemitism, and Two, it takes away some of the arguments of the more extreme neonazis amongst them, that "all Jews" are enemies of White Western civilization.
בס''ד
1. For your information, I am the one who banned Skkie. Nazis and defenders of Nazi Germany are not welcome on this forum. We don't debate Nazis. All Nazis should be killed. I did say that we will not ban people except under the most extreme circumstances. Defending Nazi Germany is an extreme circumstance to say the least.
2. David and Paulette never said they are leaving.
3. I don't like threats. Your threat to leave doesn't bother me in the least. If you want to spend your time begging Nazis not to hate Jews, that's your business. JTF doesn't have dialogues with Nazis and JTF doesn't beg Nazis not to hate us.
chaim: skkie didn't defend nazi germany.he said we had to destroy the soviet union first.i agree with this.he also said that not all the germans are our enemies.and some of our best members are germans.
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chaim: skkie didn't defend nazi germany.he said we had to destroy the soviet union first.i agree with this.he also said that not all the germans are our enemies.and some of our best members are germans.
I think that you are Skkie, so I don't even know why I am arguing with you, but for the record, the one or two Germans who are good JTFers represent about one half of one percent of that country.
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1. For your information, I am the one who banned Skkie. Nazis and defenders of Nazi Germany are not welcome on this forum. We don't debate Nazis. All Nazis should be killed. I did say that we will not ban people except under the most extreme circumstances. Defending Nazi Germany is an extreme circumstance to say the least.
2. David and Paulette never said they are leaving.
3. I don't like threats. Your threat to leave doesn't bother me in the least. If you want to spend your time begging Nazis not to hate Jews, that's your business. JTF doesn't have dialogues with Nazis and JTF doesn't beg Nazis not to hate us.
Chaim, I agree with everything that you say, but I also believe that we should also ban so-called Jews that defend Nazi Germany.
i also beleive we should ban YOU first.you use profanity on almost every post and send treatening message to memebers you don't like.oh and just for the fact.i don't support homosexuality in ancient greece.when i said that greco roman culture are a pillar of western civillization i meant the sport and education progrgrams.and philosophy and science.
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chaim: skkie didn't defend nazi germany.he said we had to destroy the soviet union first.i agree with this.he also said that not all the germans are our enemies.and some of our best members are germans.
I think that you are Skkie, so I don't even know why I am arguing with you, but for the record, the one or two Germans who are good JTFers represent about one half of one percent of that country.
no they present the majority.aand yes i am skkie and rwg and hamantaschen and tina greco and muhammad and hitler and lucifer.
(this is a joke).
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We know exactly who you are, Ben, and with each of your posts you convict yourself before Chaim more as well.
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DBF & Ben,
This squabbling is really getting tiring and it is not productive. I do not think you will be friends... But at least have some consideration for the other members of JTF and either one of you should just step back... The one who is humble will be rewarded, the one who is not will not be rewarded.
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We know exactly who you are, Ben, and with each of your posts you convict yourself before Chaim more as well.
okay,whatever you say.i don't have power now to answer some low iq kid probably from the slums of los angeles.
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DBF & Ben,
This squabbling is really getting tiring and it is not productive. I do not think you will be friends... But at least have some consideration for the other members of JTF and either one of you should just step back... The one who is humble will be rewarded, the one who is not will not be rewarded.
i said many times i can humble happily.s\i just want to hear an apologise for his outrageous comments.that's it.this is a lot to ask?
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DBF & Ben,
This squabbling is really getting tiring and it is not productive. I do not think you will be friends... But at least have some consideration for the other members of JTF and either one of you should just step back... The one who is humble will be rewarded, the one who is not will not be rewarded.
i said many times i can humble happily.s\i just want to hear an apologise for his outrageous comments.that's it.this is a lot to ask?
That is good Ben... I appreciate your understanding... But sometimes an apology takes a long time to get. If you really want to make JTF work you will figure out a way {as DBF will also} to make it work. As you see there are people who are not very happy about some things I write. I cannot make everyone happy, and I don't try to make 'everyone' happy. I can only help those who are looking for the help I am trying to give.
Please, either of you, for the peace of JTF, let your differences go. DBF, don't be so provocative in some of your posts to Ben... Ben, if you think DBF is offending you try to respond to the issue, and don't try to come back. When I was new to JTF some people accused me of being a troll too. But over time I found that people can see when a person is good by the things he does, and the way he treats other people.
I hope that we all will be good friends by next year...
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DBF & Ben,
This squabbling is really getting tiring and it is not productive. I do not think you will be friends... But at least have some consideration for the other members of JTF and either one of you should just step back... The one who is humble will be rewarded, the one who is not will not be rewarded.
i said many times i can humble happily.s\i just want to hear an apologise for his outrageous comments.that's it.this is a lot to ask?
That is good Ben... I appreciate your understanding... But sometimes an apology takes a long time to get. If you really want to make JTF work you will figure out a way {as DBF will also} to make it work. As you see there are people who are not very happy about some things I write. I cannot make everyone happy, and I don't try to make 'everyone' happy. I can only help those who are looking for the help I am trying to give.
Please, either of you, for the peace of JTF, let your differences go. DBF, don't be so provocative in some of your posts to Ben... Ben, if you think DBF is offending you try to respond to the issue, and don't try to come back. When I was new to JTF some people accused me of being a troll too. But over time I found that people can see when a person is good by the things he does, and the way he treats other people.
I hope that we all will be good friends by next year...
i don't think i should be friend of dbf.but you are right.it is not worth of my time to answer his provocative post.but i realy want to report to the admins about his behavior.it is a public relations nightmare to the movement.this is also the reason i stopped my n bashing on this forum.
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DBF & Ben,
This squabbling is really getting tiring and it is not productive. I do not think you will be friends... But at least have some consideration for the other members of JTF and either one of you should just step back... The one who is humble will be rewarded, the one who is not will not be rewarded.
i said many times i can humble happily.s\i just want to hear an apologise for his outrageous comments.that's it.this is a lot to ask?
That is good Ben... I appreciate your understanding... But sometimes an apology takes a long time to get. If you really want to make JTF work you will figure out a way {as DBF will also} to make it work. As you see there are people who are not very happy about some things I write. I cannot make everyone happy, and I don't try to make 'everyone' happy. I can only help those who are looking for the help I am trying to give.
Please, either of you, for the peace of JTF, let your differences go. DBF, don't be so provocative in some of your posts to Ben... Ben, if you think DBF is offending you try to respond to the issue, and don't try to come back. When I was new to JTF some people accused me of being a troll too. But over time I found that people can see when a person is good by the things he does, and the way he treats other people.
I hope that we all will be good friends by next year...
i don't think i should be friend of dbf.but you are right.it is not worth of my time to answer his provocative post.but i realy want to report to the admins about his behavior.it is a public relations nightmare to the movement.this is also the reason i stopped my n bashing on this forum.
I am telling you this seriously and not looking for a fight- You portray yourself as a JTFer/Hayamin supporter but you repeatedly express ideology that is a complete opposite to JTF. You are the PR nightmare, and that is why I hope you will either leave, make it clear that you are representing yourself only, or- come to your senses and correct your severely flawed (to say the least) ideology.
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I have to say that if Paulette and David leave, then I will too. We are of one mind on this.
Muman, I think every Jew has to engage in pikuach nefesh according to how they feel Hashem wants them to. Because of our views on race, Paulette and I found ourselves in a situation where we were able to talk to WNs one on one and it has actually changed the minds of some of them about Jews. It is crucial for people like that to see firsthand that not all Jews are the enemy of the White European peoples, and that some of us are actually friendly or sympathetic to their issues regarding the black-white situation.
This does two things: One, it helps reduce antisemitism, and Two, it takes away some of the arguments of the more extreme neonazis amongst them, that "all Jews" are enemies of White Western civilization.
As a Jew I'm not obligated to join a white-vs-black crusade so that I can suck up to "white nationalists" or europeans and make them think higher of me as a Jew. It's none of my business what they think about race, I have pressing matters that are more important and have enough self-respect that I don't feel the need to adopt their positions in order to "show them" that I'm an ok exception Jew who's not 'secretly plotting world domination and race-mixing' in the backyard or in some laboratory as member of a secret cabal. If they are going to think that about any Jew who doesn't openly profess to their hitlerian views, let them go to hell, I say.
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Why should any Jew lower himself to argue with a stupid Nazi, who themselves are a hated minority in their respective country, just to get some sympathy? Honestly I do not even care for these marginal brain-amputated rats. They are scum and live their stupid empty little lives in a stupid little world with some stupid little thoughts that can in no way affect me. I know that I am much better than them. I show compassion, love, respect and forgiveness to those around me who deserve it and I can be brute and gross to people who deserve THAT. Honestly - a Nazi doesn't even deserve my worst feelings. All they deserve is loathe.
And the same goes for people who defend Nazis. I find them rather disgusting and whoever defends a Nazi IS a Nazi.
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DBF & Ben,
This squabbling is really getting tiring and it is not productive. I do not think you will be friends... But at least have some consideration for the other members of JTF and either one of you should just step back... The one who is humble will be rewarded, the one who is not will not be rewarded.
i said many times i can humble happily.s\i just want to hear an apologise for his outrageous comments.that's it.this is a lot to ask?
That is good Ben... I appreciate your understanding... But sometimes an apology takes a long time to get. If you really want to make JTF work you will figure out a way {as DBF will also} to make it work. As you see there are people who are not very happy about some things I write. I cannot make everyone happy, and I don't try to make 'everyone' happy. I can only help those who are looking for the help I am trying to give.
Please, either of you, for the peace of JTF, let your differences go. DBF, don't be so provocative in some of your posts to Ben... Ben, if you think DBF is offending you try to respond to the issue, and don't try to come back. When I was new to JTF some people accused me of being a troll too. But over time I found that people can see when a person is good by the things he does, and the way he treats other people.
I hope that we all will be good friends by next year...
i don't think i should be friend of dbf.but you are right.it is not worth of my time to answer his provocative post.but i realy want to report to the admins about his behavior.it is a public relations nightmare to the movement.this is also the reason i stopped my n bashing on this forum.
I am telling you this seriously and not looking for a fight- You portray yourself as a JTFer/Hayamin supporter but you repeatedly express ideology that is a complete opposite to JTF. You are the PR nightmare, and that is why I hope you will either leave, make it clear that you are representing yourself only, or- come to your senses and correct your severely flawed (to say the least) ideology.
i think my arguments with half this forum send clear indication that this is my position and i representing myself.
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I didn't make a "threat" to leave. I simply said that if David and Paulette left, I would too. I don't see that as a threat, simply a statement.
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I didn't make a "threat" to leave. I simply said that if David and Paulette left, I would too. I don't see that as a threat, simply a statement.
It started with a disagreement, was interspersed with tantrums, threats, and ended with ultimatums. If people want to leave after thinking about it soberly, they should. This goes for you, me, and anyone who comes here. No one here should be told they are 'weak' because we have no interest in communing with nazi scum. This is not a discussion between two reasonable adults, but a discussion between Jews and those who long for a time when we were made into ashes, lampshades and soap. The strong Jewish position on this is to not give these insects the light of day and to stomp them out, not to 'dialogue' with them; thereby granting them the appearance that they actually have a point to be debated.
'Dialoguing' with them tacitly presumes they have the semblance of a logical position--which they don't.