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Title: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 15, 2010, 08:41:40 PM
Hi! I am curios about a thing, if you can tell me...

What do you know about Kabbalah?
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 15, 2010, 10:57:52 PM
Why do you ask this in the general discussion section?

This would be better asked in the Torah section, and we have discussed the Kabbalah many times there. Maybe you can do a search first and maybe you will find an answer to your question.

Also why are you interested in Kabbalah? It is not the kind of thing that the average Jew needs to be concerned with..

Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Chai on June 16, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
Ouch lol
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 16, 2010, 12:29:20 AM
Come on, Kabbalah has gotten a rotten image because of people like Madanno, or Esther or whatever her name is...

Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 16, 2010, 12:54:32 AM
Apparently a lot of people are reading this thread..
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 16, 2010, 01:39:17 AM
i think that the kabbalah is just a supernatural idiocracy.nothing more.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 16, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
i think that the kabbalah is just a supernatural idiocracy.nothing more.

What an atrocious statement.   

As the old saying goes, Stupid is as stupid says.   Or something like that.   Watch the movie forrest gump and you'll know what I'm saying.    Ben, did your mom used to tell you life was like a box of chocolates too?

In any case, kabbalah is not for the ignorant, immature, unengaged and insincere to delve into.   If a person is a Shomer Shabbat Jew, he can then even think about looking into Kabbalah, but even then one should have a grasp of the basics of Judaism first.   And certainly kabbalah is not intended for non-Jews to study.

What I find amazing about ben's comment is that someone can dare reject something he has never even studied or looked into.  The height of the "Arrogance of ignorance."    Then again, let's consider the source.  This was also someone who thought the Jewish people died out for over 500 years.   Forever discredited to say anything about Judaism, Jewish history, or Jewish anything.

 ???
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 16, 2010, 02:30:20 AM
i think that the kabbalah is just a supernatural idiocracy.nothing more.

That is easy for you to say because you are an atheist and you have no belief in Hashem. But Kabbalah is just a part of the Jewish tradition, the hidden meaning of Torah which is a part of most Jewish faith.

Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 16, 2010, 03:30:07 AM
i think that the kabbalah is just a supernatural idiocracy.nothing more.

That is easy for you to say because you are an atheist and you have no belief in Hashem. But Kabbalah is just a part of the Jewish tradition, the hidden meaning of Torah which is a part of most Jewish faith.


do you call supernatural hidden meaning?
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 16, 2010, 03:30:50 AM
i think that the kabbalah is just a supernatural idiocracy.nothing more.

What an atrocious statement.   

As the old saying goes, Stupid is as stupid says.   Or something like that.   Watch the movie forrest gump and you'll know what I'm saying.    Ben, did your mom used to tell you life was like a box of chocolates too?

In any case, kabbalah is not for the ignorant, immature, unengaged and insincere to delve into.   If a person is a Shomer Shabbat Jew, he can then even think about looking into Kabbalah, but even then one should have a grasp of the basics of Judaism first.   And certainly kabbalah is not intended for non-Jews to study.

What I find amazing about ben's comment is that someone can dare reject something he has never even studied or looked into.  The height of the "Arrogance of ignorance."    Then again, let's consider the source.  This was also someone who thought the Jewish people died out for over 500 years.   Forever discredited to say anything about Judaism, Jewish history, or Jewish anything.

 ???
give me a scientific proof to the kabbalah
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 16, 2010, 04:09:36 AM
i think that the kabbalah is just a supernatural idiocracy.nothing more.

What an atrocious statement.   

As the old saying goes, Stupid is as stupid says.   Or something like that.   Watch the movie forrest gump and you'll know what I'm saying.    Ben, did your mom used to tell you life was like a box of chocolates too?

In any case, kabbalah is not for the ignorant, immature, unengaged and insincere to delve into.   If a person is a Shomer Shabbat Jew, he can then even think about looking into Kabbalah, but even then one should have a grasp of the basics of Judaism first.   And certainly kabbalah is not intended for non-Jews to study.

What I find amazing about ben's comment is that someone can dare reject something he has never even studied or looked into.  The height of the "Arrogance of ignorance."    Then again, let's consider the source.  This was also someone who thought the Jewish people died out for over 500 years.   Forever discredited to say anything about Judaism, Jewish history, or Jewish anything.

 ???
give me a scientific proof to the kabbalah

What does that mean?  Who said the kaballah was "science?"   
Biology is science.  Physics is a science.  Kaballah is something else and has to do with interpreting the Torah and spiritual worlds, but you obviously have not studied it so how can you speak about it?   It's like a plumber giving me value judgements of string theory.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 10:30:59 AM
I'll tell you what I have heard/met as 'Kabbalah' before (one or two years):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a3IzGKXHVc&feature=related
- the title means "Introduction in Kabbalah - The Perception of Reality"

I've read in wikipedia that there are more kinds of Kabbalah, not only Jewish Kabbalah
"This article is about traditional Jewish Kabbalah. For other Kabbalistic traditions see Christian Kabbalah, Hermetic Qabalah, and Practical Kabbalah."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabalah) - do you know something about them?

I have also once watched these 2 videos from here:
http://karen.kabbalah.com/
which was as disgustful as hearing muslim imams explaining how Islam is the "true religion".

btw, watch this:
http://www.kabbalah.info/ro/intrebri-frecvente/natura-umana/292-human-nature
the text that is written below the video is the same as the subtitles of the videos.

the interactive faq is here:
http://www.questionyourreality.com/
- you can browse through topics

great kabbalists during history:
http://www.kabbalah.info/ro/istoria-cabalei/cabalisti-de-a-lungul-istoriei

here (http://www.kabbalah.info/eng/content/view/frame/2373?/eng/&main) it is written that
"The wisdom of Kabbalah is the most ancient of all wisdoms. It goes back to the time of Abraham the Patriarch, in the 18th century BC, 3800 years ago. Abraham the Patriarch was an ordinary Bedouin tribesman in Babylon, who discovered the existence of Godliness, a reality outside this world. He then wrote a book about it called Sefer Yetzira (The Book of Creation), which is actually the very first book about the wisdom of Kabbalah" - do you really believe that???

by the way, read the text from here:
http://www2.kabbalah.com/12.php

My conclusions:
Kabbalah teaches that God is a force subject to us, that people, using their minds and wishes, can do supernatural things (like splitting the water in two) - In other words, it teaches that men are gods.

So, what are your conclusions?
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 22, 2010, 10:36:35 AM

My conclusions:
Kabbalah teaches that G-d is a force subject to us, that people, using their minds and wishes, can do supernatural things (like splitting the water in two) - In other words, it teaches that men are gods.

So, what are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that you have been misled by charlatans, and you have no business studying Kabalah, but watching a few youtube videos cannot be considered "studying kabbalah."   So I would advise you to spend your time on other things.

Btw, "practical kabbalah" is completely forbidden by Judaism, whether it works or not.  One is forbidden to try.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 22, 2010, 10:41:47 AM
the interactive faq is here:
http://www.questionyourreality.com/
- you can browse through topics


Who is this guy?  Where is his kipa?  Where are his tzitzit?   This is phony nonsense.

The people who popularize kabbalah for the masses (and even for non-Jews) and especially those who are not Shomer Mitzvot Jews and popularize kabbalah are usually sex maniacs and egomaniacal nutcases and manipulators.

I read recently the "Kabbalah Center" is now embroiled in a sex scandal.  There is a reason for that.

Without supporting it on the Mitzvot and real Judaism (including the provisions of Jewish law), all so-called mystical "kabalah" is fraud.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 22, 2010, 12:09:41 PM
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..

Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 12:17:53 PM
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like god after a few years of scientifical development.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Rubystars on June 22, 2010, 12:19:53 PM
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.

Hissssssss
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: muman613
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..

that Kabbalah doesn't say that Man is G-d, but that men are gods. If by his own mind one splits the water in two I don't know what's the difference between a G-d and a man.

"As the Zohar makes clear, the purpose of the 72 Names is hidden in the story in which they are found. The Names are a tool to help humanity gain control over chaos by controlling physical nature. By their use of the 72 Names, the Israelites overcame the ego-based negativity of doubt and thus changed the nature of water until it no longer flowed. According to Kabbalah, humanity is destined to have control over physical nature; the only obstacle is our ego. Overcoming ego at its very foundation brings control of the physical world, and that is the purpose of the INSTRUMENT THAT IS THE 72 NAMES."
(http://www2.kabbalah.com/12.php)
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ari Ben-Canaan on June 22, 2010, 12:32:10 PM
This is beginning to sound like "The Secret"!! :::D :::D :::D

http://thesecret.tv/

Quick, everyone here needs to make a "vision board"!!!  :::D :::D :::D

[please no one take that last bit seriously]

 :'(
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Dr. Dan on June 22, 2010, 12:41:50 PM
So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 12:44:50 PM
So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
you know.the whole series of experiment in the new particle acclerator is aimed at creating the enviroment of the big bang.a decade or two like that and we could create a mini universe the size of an electron.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 12:45:10 PM
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.

Scientists (and especially atheists) say so. Evolutionists (especially atheists) say we will evolve into perfect being that would live in harmony and hapiness (because of their state of evolution), muslims say that they will rule the earth soon enough, others say that their religion or philosophy will prevail soon, etc.
However, you cannot know until it happens, if it will ever happen.
Leaving beside the wishes and the fantasies, it is impossible to know if one will do the things you fantasize.
That because you can't know all the laws of the universe, and by this, how much it can limit technology advancements.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 22, 2010, 12:46:10 PM
Kabbalah is not man trying to control G-d. It provides a means for understanding why things are the way they are. By understanding how Hashem interacts with this world we gain more understanding of him.

PS: You cannot accept everything that people are calling Kabbalah... The only site I have found which is good about Kabbalah is http://www.koshertorah.com . I also don't recommend everyone to learn this before they learn the basics of Judaism because Kabbalah is useless without understanding of Torah.


Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 12:48:11 PM
and, by the way...
maybe the earth will be hitted by an asteroid or something much earlier, so men would experience not much scientific development.

by the way, did you watch "Idiocracy"?
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 12:49:20 PM
and, by the way...
maybe the earth will be hitted by an asteroid or something much earlier, so men would experience not much scientific development.

by the way, did you watch "Idiocracy"?
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 12:51:37 PM
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.

Scientists (and especially atheists) say so. Evolutionists (especially atheists) say we will evolve into perfect being that would live in harmony and hapiness (because of their state of evolution), muslims say that they will rule the earth soon enough, others say that their religion or philosophy will prevail soon, etc.
However, you cannot know until it happens, if it will ever happen.
Leaving beside the wishes and the fantasies, it is impossible to know if one will do the things you fantasize.
That because you can't know all the laws of the universe, and by this, how much it can limit technology advancements.
yes but we knew enough to know our limits in the near future (next 200 years).we would use gentical and cybertronic manipulation to improve ourselves,and combined with our control of nuclear energy we could cliam that this is the the begining or the end (depends on your view) of the human age.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 12:52:57 PM
Kabbalah is not man trying to control G-d. It provides a means for understanding why things are the way they are. By understanding how Hashem interacts with this world we gain more understanding of him.

PS: You cannot accept everything that people are calling Kabbalah... The only site I have found which is good about Kabbalah is http://www.koshertorah.com



muman613, I don't know what the Kabbalah you learnt teaches, I talked about what I heard/read.
And tell me that what I quoted does not say what I stated: that it says that men are gods.

and, by the way, don't worry, there are many people enough who believe they are gods or will become gods one day (maybe if they submit themselves to some indoctrinations, getting to believe/understand some things, perform some rituals, etc.)
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 22, 2010, 01:00:46 PM
Kabbalah is not man trying to control G-d. It provides a means for understanding why things are the way they are. By understanding how Hashem interacts with this world we gain more understanding of him.

PS: You cannot accept everything that people are calling Kabbalah... The only site I have found which is good about Kabbalah is http://www.koshertorah.com



muman613, I don't know what the Kabbalah you learnt teaches, I talked about what I heard/read.
And tell me that what I quoted does not say what I stated: that it says that men are gods.

and, by the way, don't worry, there are many people enough who believe they are gods or will become gods one day (maybe if they submit themselves to some indoctrinations, getting to believe/understand some things, perform some rituals, etc.)

Then the 'Kabbalah' you learned was not Judaism. Judaism hold G-d as the ultimate power of which humanity can only know a piece of. We will never, until the moshiach comes, even have a simple understanding. Kabbalah attempts to understand Hashems interaction with the world.

The unjewish Kabbalah you are quoting is considered heresy to Judaism.

http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm

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Kabbalah: The Misunderstood Doctrine

Kabbalah is one of the most grossly misunderstood parts of Judaism. I have received several messages from non-Jews describing Kabbalah as "the dark side of Judaism," describing it as evil or black magic. On the other end of the spectrum, I receive many messages wanting to learn more about the trendy doctrine popularized by various Jewish and non-Jewish celebrities.

These misunderstandings stem largely from the fact that the teachings of Kabbalah have been so badly distorted by mystics and occultists. Kabbalah was popular among Christian intellectuals during the Renaissance and Enlightenment periods, who reinterpreted its doctrines to fit into their Christian dogma. In more recent times, many have wrenched kabbalistic symbolism out of context for use in tarot card readings and other forms of divination and magic that were never a part of the original Jewish teachings. Today, many well-known celebrities have popularized a new age pop-psychology distortion of kabbalah (I have heard it derisively referred to as "crap-balah"). It borrows the language of kabbalah and the forms of Jewish folk superstitions, but at its heart it has more in common with the writings of Deepak Chopra than with any authentic Jewish source.

I do not mean to suggest that magic is not a part of Kabbalah. There are certainly many traditional Jewish stories that involve the use of hidden knowledge to affect the world in ways that could be described as magic. The Talmud and other sources ascribe supernatural activities to many great rabbis. Some rabbis pronounced a name of G-d and ascended into heaven to consult with the G-d and the angels on issues of great public concern. One scholar is said to have created an artificial man by reciting various names of G-d. Much later stories tell of a rabbi who created a man out of clay (a golem) and brought it to life by putting in its mouth a piece of paper with a name of G-d on it. However, this area of Kabbalah (if indeed it is more than mere legend) is not something that is practiced by the average Jew, or even the average rabbi. There are a number of stories that discourage the pursuit of such knowledge and power as dangerous and irresponsible. If you see any books on the subject of "practical kabbalah," you can safely dismiss them as not authentic Jewish tradition because, as these stories demonstrate, this kind of knowledge was traditionally thought to be far too dangerous to be distributed blindly to the masses.

It is important to note that all of these magical effects were achieved through the power of G-d, generally by calling upon the name of G-d. These practices are no more "evil" than the miracles of the prophets, or the miracles that Christians ascribe to Jesus. In fact, according to some of my mystically-inclined friends, Jesus performed his miracles using kabbalistic techniques learned from the Essenes, a Jewish sect of that time that was involved in mysticism.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 01:02:12 PM
yes but we knew enough to know our limits in the near future (next 200 years).we would use gentical and cybertronic manipulation to improve ourselves,and combined with our control of nuclear energy we could cliam that this is the the begining or the end (depends on your view) of the human age.

really?
Which are the limits for the next 200 years?
I think this is like the plan of the muslims to control the world: by the growth rate of Islam, I heard that (statistically), in 2055 there would be half of the entire world population islamic. So they can state a year when they will rule the earth. Does that mean that nothing would interfere, but the plan would simply work?

about science limitation: I believe that only when you start to do something concrete you can know if you are limited or not. That because anything anytime can go wrong, and you don't know that that particular thing goes wrong until it does.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Dr. Dan on June 22, 2010, 01:04:07 PM
And how can one build a huge universe like Gd did and fit it into this tiny planet?

Creating an electron is far from what Gd is capable of doing.  Gd can bring justice for the weak and destroy the mighty...you mean to tell me a humans can do perfect justice?


So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
you know.the whole series of experiment in the new particle acclerator is aimed at creating the enviroment of the big bang.a decade or two like that and we could create a mini universe the size of an electron.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Dr. Dan on June 22, 2010, 01:08:42 PM
Kabbalah is not man trying to control G-d. It provides a means for understanding why things are the way they are. By understanding how Hashem interacts with this world we gain more understanding of him.

PS: You cannot accept everything that people are calling Kabbalah... The only site I have found which is good about Kabbalah is http://www.koshertorah.com . I also don't recommend everyone to learn this before they learn the basics of Judaism because Kabbalah is useless without understanding of Torah.





and Talmud..

Furthermore you have to be over the age of 40 and have children already.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 01:10:27 PM
i can state now part of the limits:time travel (we could only be able to travel to alternate universes.sure not in the 200 years limit).
space travel: we wouldn't be able to cross the speed of light.
life an d death: we would be able to reanimate the body but not the personality of the person.
psionics: sorry,this is just a mystical invention.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 01:11:26 PM
one of my first sentences when I talked about what I've heard/read about Kabbalah, was that there were more kinds of Kabbalah. So I considered that what you know as Kabbalah (Jewish Kabbalism) may be a different thing from this.

I have one more question for you, muman613, about this topic.
how do you think your Kabbalah helps you? or, do you think it helps you in life?

I ask this because what you say ("Kabbalah attempts to understand Hashems interaction with the world") is a bit vague.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
And how can one build a huge universe like Gd did and fit it into this tiny planet?

Creating an electron is far from what Gd is capable of doing.  Gd can bring justice for the weak and destroy the mighty...you mean to tell me a humans can do perfect justice?


So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
you know.the whole series of experiment in the new particle acclerator is aimed at creating the enviroment of the big bang.a decade or two like that and we could create a mini universe the size of an electron.
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
Kabbalah is not man trying to control G-d. It provides a means for understanding why things are the way they are. By understanding how Hashem interacts with this world we gain more understanding of him.

PS: You cannot accept everything that people are calling Kabbalah... The only site I have found which is good about Kabbalah is http://www.koshertorah.com . I also don't recommend everyone to learn this before they learn the basics of Judaism because Kabbalah is useless without understanding of Torah.





and Talmud..

Furthermore you have to be over the age of 40 and have children already.
ah,why all this restrictions?
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 22, 2010, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: Ben m
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.
Justice is subjective to us because we are limited by wisdom, selfishness (i.e. "I am right no matter what"), and all the things that are and we are not aware of (what exactly has happened, one's feelings, thoughts, etc.).

So, from our position, it may be subjective. But for one that doesn't have these limitations, I don't think justice is a problem.

Quote
i can state now part of the limits:time travel (we could only be able to travel to alternate universes.sure not in the 200 years limit).
space travel: we wouldn't be able to cross the speed of light.
life an d death: we would be able to reanimate the body but not the personality of the person.

1. are you sure that alternate universes exist?
2. if you talk about the reanimation of that cell, from what I've read, it was no reanimation, but changing the DNA. Do I know wrong? By the way, if the body would become reanimated, why the personality not? you mean, that is not in the body, or what?
3. what about those limitations that would not allow us to become as God? do you know any? (because that was the subject)
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: Ben m
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.
Justice is subjective to us because we are limited by wisdom, selfishness (i.e. "I am right no matter what"), and all the things that are and we are not aware of (what exactly has happened, one's feelings, thoughts, etc.).


this is still depend on how you view the world.for example i am for execution,if i had the ultimate knowledge i would rule to exectute murderers ar rapists for example.on the other hand there could be somebody that is completly against execution no matter what and he will probably jusge different with me,even without our human limitations.
1. are you sure that alternate universes exist?
2. if you talk about the reanimation of that cell, from what I've read, it was no reanimation, but changing the DNA. Do I know wrong? By the way, if the body would become reanimated, why the personality not? you mean, that is not in the body, or what?
3. what about those limitations that would not allow us to become as G-d? do you know any? (because that was the subject)

1) sure as hell.many of moder day scientists are saying that alternate universes MUST exist according to quantum and string theories.
2) i talked about the animation of the body cells yes.but you don't need to change the dna,it would be useless.you need to finda power source to enable the cell to produce energy and reproduce again.this is why we can't restore the personality beacuse it is a forced life giving.it is like a new cell.you can enable the basic instinct though.
3) when i talked about being like god i meant that we would be able to be like god more than we are now after the human creation in the image of god.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 22, 2010, 01:50:27 PM
one of my first sentences when I talked about what I've heard/read about Kabbalah, was that there were more kinds of Kabbalah. So I considered that what you know as Kabbalah (Jewish Kabbalism) may be a different thing from this.

I have one more question for you, muman613, about this topic.
how do you think your Kabbalah helps you? or, do you think it helps you in life?

I ask this because what you say ("Kabbalah attempts to understand Hashems interaction with the world") is a bit vague.

As you mentioned the 72 names, there is also the concept of the Sefirot, the 10 'qualities' or 'traits' of Hashem..

Here is the standard diagram of how these traits are related {from JewFaq.org}:

(http://www.jewfaq.org/graphics/tree.gif)

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Ein Sof and the Ten Sefirot

To give you an idea of the nature of Kabbalah, I will briefly discuss one of the better known, fundamental concepts of kabbalistic thought: the concept of G-d as Ein Sof, the Ten Sefirot, and the kabbalistic tree of life. This explanation is, at best, a gross oversimplification. I do not pretend to fully understand these ideas.

According to Kabbalah, the true essence of G-d is so transcendent that it cannot be described, except with reference to what it is not. This true essence of G-d is known as Ein Sof, which literally means "without end," which encompasses the idea of His lack of boundaries in both time and space. In this truest form, the Ein Sof is so transcendent that It cannot have any direct interaction with the universe. The Ein Sof interacts with the universe through ten emanations from this essence, known as the Ten Sefirot.

These Sefirot correspond to qualities of G-d. They consist of, in descending order, Keter (the crown), Chokhmah (wisdom), Binah (intuition, understanding), Chesed (mercy) or Gedulah (greatness), Gevurah (strength), Tiferet (glory), Netzach (victory), Hod (majesty), Yesod (foundation) and Malkut (sovereignty). The middle five qualities are mentioned explicitly and in order at I Chronicles 29:11: Yours, O L-rd, is the greatness (gedulah), the strength (gevurah), the glory (tiferet), the power (netzach), and the splendor (hod). I have seen this passage translated in widely varying ways, but the Hebrew corresponds to the names of the Sefirot in order.

The Ten Sefirot include both masculine and feminine qualities. Kabbalah pays a great deal of attention to the feminine aspects of G-d.

The Sefirot are commonly represented as in the diagram at left. This diagram is commonly known as the Tree of the Sefirot or the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. There is great significance to the position of these various attributes and their interconnectedness.

The Sefirot are not separate deities, as some might think by taking this too literally. They are intimately a part of G-d, and yet they are in contact with the universe in a way that the Ein Sof is not. The Sefirot connect with everything in the universe, including humanity. The good and evil that we do resonates through the Sefirot and affects the entire universe, up to and including G-d Himself.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Dr. Dan on June 22, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
So if the majority of the world thought that Blacks were right and whites were wrong, then anything against a white person is justice?  If everyone in the world thought it was ok to sleep with little boys and little girls, it's justified to do it because the majority do it?  That's subjective right?

Clearly, there is only right and wrong and good and evil...all of this is based on the Torah...


And how can one build a huge universe like Gd did and fit it into this tiny planet?

Creating an electron is far from what Gd is capable of doing.  Gd can bring justice for the weak and destroy the mighty...you mean to tell me a humans can do perfect justice?


So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
you know.the whole series of experiment in the new particle acclerator is aimed at creating the enviroment of the big bang.a decade or two like that and we could create a mini universe the size of an electron.
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Dr. Dan on June 22, 2010, 02:02:38 PM
Perfect Justice is what happened to the Egyptians in the 10 plagues and the rescue of the Israelites...no human can replicate that.


And how can one build a huge universe like Gd did and fit it into this tiny planet?

Creating an electron is far from what Gd is capable of doing.  Gd can bring justice for the weak and destroy the mighty...you mean to tell me a humans can do perfect justice?


So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
you know.the whole series of experiment in the new particle acclerator is aimed at creating the enviroment of the big bang.a decade or two like that and we could create a mini universe the size of an electron.
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 22, 2010, 02:04:26 PM
So if the majority of the world thought that Blacks were right and whites were wrong, then anything against a white person is justice?  If everyone in the world thought it was ok to sleep with little boys and little girls, it's justified to do it because the majority do it?  That's subjective right?

Clearly, there is only right and wrong and good and evil...all of this is based on the Torah...


And how can one build a huge universe like Gd did and fit it into this tiny planet?

Creating an electron is far from what Gd is capable of doing.  Gd can bring justice for the weak and destroy the mighty...you mean to tell me a humans can do perfect justice?


So after "a few years of scientifical development a man can create another universe?"

And I suppose he'll live long enough to see what the universe will be come like?
 :laugh: :::D



Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..


now do you see why we need science.you can be like G-d after a few years of scientifical development.
you know.the whole series of experiment in the new particle acclerator is aimed at creating the enviroment of the big bang.a decade or two like that and we could create a mini universe the size of an electron.
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.
yes.they percive this as justice.i percive this as gross but i would not interfere with THEIR justice.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on June 23, 2010, 02:15:27 AM
and, by the way...
maybe the earth will be hitted by an asteroid or something much earlier, so men would experience not much scientific development.

by the way, did you watch "Idiocracy"?
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.

A good start to countering idiocracy would be eliminating you.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on June 23, 2010, 02:25:59 AM
Kabbalah to most people will be spiritual materialism. It is ego, but then again, everything is vanity.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on June 23, 2010, 02:33:17 AM
If you cannot even control yourself, how can you begin to control the universe? Wanting to control the universe is ego/vanity and seeing this as spirituality is spiritual materialism.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 03:36:08 AM
Quote from: muman613
Zenith,

You have not studied any Kabbalah because nowhere does it say anything that Man is G-d... That is utterly ridiculous..

that Kabbalah doesn't say that Man is G-d, but that men are gods. If by his own mind one splits the water in two I don't know what's the difference between a G-d and a man.

"As the Zohar makes clear, the purpose of the 72 Names is hidden in the story in which they are found. The Names are a tool to help humanity gain control over chaos by controlling physical nature. By their use of the 72 Names, the Israelites overcame the ego-based negativity of doubt and thus changed the nature of water until it no longer flowed. According to Kabbalah, humanity is destined to have control over physical nature; the only obstacle is our ego. Overcoming ego at its very foundation brings control of the physical world, and that is the purpose of the INSTRUMENT THAT IS THE 72 NAMES."
(http://www2.kabbalah.com/12.php)


Complete nonsense.  These charlatans you are "learning" from don't even begin to understand Zohar or any kabbalistic works.    They are frauds, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 03:38:54 AM
and, by the way...
maybe the earth will be hitted by an asteroid or something much earlier, so men would experience not much scientific development.

by the way, did you watch "Idiocracy"?
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.

What the hell are you talking about?   Do you realize how stupid you sound?   Simple genetic manipulation will prevent an asteroid from hitting the earth?   

I can't believe what I'm seeing!     :laugh: 
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 03:40:52 AM
Kabbalah is not man trying to control G-d. It provides a means for understanding why things are the way they are. By understanding how Hashem interacts with this world we gain more understanding of him.

PS: You cannot accept everything that people are calling Kabbalah... The only site I have found which is good about Kabbalah is http://www.koshertorah.com



muman613, I don't know what the Kabbalah you learnt teaches, I talked about what I heard/read.
And tell me that what I quoted does not say what I stated: that it says that men are gods.


You're not quoting Jewish sources.

You are quoting sex-maniacs and their own quack interpretation of what they think they read in Jewish sources (even though they are not even fluent in Hebrew, let alone understand aramaic).  Give me a break.  These animals are deceiving people on a daily basis with their fraudulent nonsense.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ari Ben-Canaan on June 23, 2010, 03:42:03 AM
(http://www.kabbalah-jewelry.com/images/red_string.jpg)
(http://www.instructables.com/image/FG3Y5IZFGFRD4YA/Get-Big-Money-for-Scrap-Batteries.jpg)
 :::D :::D :::D
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 03:43:20 AM
one of my first sentences when I talked about what I've heard/read about Kabbalah, was that there were more kinds of Kabbalah. So I considered that what you know as Kabbalah (Jewish Kabbalism) may be a different thing from this.


Call it mysticism or spirituality or paganism if you like, but "non-Jewish" forms of Kabalah are not kabbalah.  

And the charlatans you are quoting claim to be presenting Jewish kabbalah, even though they are completely ignorant and have no idea what they are saying, so what you say is not true.  
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 03:45:59 AM
Muman, why are you propagating kabalah here.  These people have no business learning it.   Just discourage them from accepting what the phony frauds are telling them and that's it.   As if watered-down dumbed-down real kabalah is that much better than propagating fraud like "kabalah centre."    Neither of these ways are the true ways of learning.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 03:47:39 AM
(http://www.kabbalah-jewelry.com/images/red_string.jpg)
(http://www.instructables.com/image/FG3Y5IZFGFRD4YA/Get-Big-Money-for-Scrap-Batteries.jpg)
 :::D :::D :::D


 :::D :::D :::D 

Yes, straight to the bank.   Don't forget the "kabalah water" too!
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 23, 2010, 05:14:24 AM
and, by the way...
maybe the earth will be hitted by an asteroid or something much earlier, so men would experience not much scientific development.

by the way, did you watch "Idiocracy"?
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.

A good start to countering idiocracy would be eliminating you.
this is the word of the neo nazi robert.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 23, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
and, by the way...
maybe the earth will be hitted by an asteroid or something much earlier, so men would experience not much scientific development.

by the way, did you watch "Idiocracy"?
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.

What the hell are you talking about?   Do you realize how stupid you sound?   Simple genetic manipulation will prevent an asteroid from hitting the earth?   

I can't believe what I'm seeing!     :laugh: 
what? i am talking about the process of evolution as showed in the movie idiocarcy not about meteors.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 23, 2010, 06:59:37 AM
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.

the idea of the idiocracy was that, because of the development of the technology people will be much less required to use their minds, so they won't do it. Just imagine: if absolutely every work on earth would be done by robots, and all people would be supervised and, be judged, let's say, yet by robots, then men will not be required to do anything, but eat, drink, have sex and parties. No matter how much one would genetically improve (if possible) human brain, if it is not used, I'd say the genetic involvement would be useless (or, how smart can you be if you don't use your brain?)
I think that people involvement is ignored, because people want to be ignorant and irresponsible; instead it is said that we actually need "scientific development" (I'm not against scientific development, but against ignoring what man -as individual - is supposed to do). Other thing I heard once was with women who wanted to have children with donated sperm, the child to be "kind, good person, etc." but none of them thought about education, but only growing him as a plant: put it in the earth, add some water and leave it at the sun, and you have all you wished!

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we would use gentical and cybertronic manipulation to improve ourselves,and combined with our control of nuclear energy we could cliam that this is the the begining or the end (depends on your view) of the human age.
if everything goes as 'planned'.

about justice:
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this is still depend on how you view the world.for example i am for execution,if i had the ultimate knowledge i would rule to exectute murderers ar rapists for example.on the other hand there could be somebody that is completly against execution no matter what and he will probably jusge different with me,even without our human limitations.
1. You don't KNOW what your decisions would be if you KNEW everything.
2. Even if you knew everything and all I said, it would still be possible for you to do things which you, in your all knowledge, would see unjust. I don't say that knowing everything and all I said forces you to be just or anyhow.
3. If you make a robot and once chose to destroy it, it is not unjust (so, we can call it just). However, if you chose to let it be, it's still not unjust (so it is just). I mean, justice does not necessarily mean "one way", or that it deprives one of freedom (like it would be "destiny" - you are forbidden of doing anything else). And, it may be possible that both you and that other one you talk about (that would not be for execution) would be just.

about alternate universes, if you are sure they exist:
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1) sure as hell.many of moder day scientists are saying that alternate universes MUST exist according to quantum and string theories.
so you mean that it is impossible that their reasoning would be faulty at any point?

about reanimation of the cell:
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you need to finda power source to enable the cell to produce energy and reproduce again.this is why we can't restore the personality beacuse it is a forced life giving.it is like a new cell.you can enable the basic instinct though.
1. I don't know what kind of power source you think about, but if you don't already have that in mind (what exactly that should be), how do you know that it would be found? (or that it can be found)
2. explain "personality is a forced life giving" - I don't pretty understand what you mean.

Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 23, 2010, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT
You are quoting sex-maniacs and their own quack interpretation of what they think they read in Jewish sources (even though they are not even fluent in Hebrew, let alone understand aramaic).  Give me a break.  These animals are deceiving people on a daily basis with their fraudulent nonsense.
I still can't believe how that can happen, yet IT HAPPENS! What I've read and heard about - what I have told you, seems idiot to me. Anyway, the fact is that people are fascinated by movies like Matrix and that series of movies with sorcerers (I forgot how it is called) and really believe that if they wish something and believe it would happen, then it will happen! (So I wonder, from where do we get the disillusions, then? :)) )
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 23, 2010, 07:19:55 AM
yes i watched idiocracy.we could counter that with a simple genetical manipulation.that is why we need to invest in genetical reaserch.

the idea of the idiocracy was that, because of the development of the technology people will be much less required to use their minds, so they won't do it. Just imagine: if absolutely every work on earth would be done by robots, and all people would be supervised and, be judged, let's say, yet by robots, then men will not be required to do anything, but eat, drink, have sex and parties. No matter how much one would genetically improve (if possible) human brain, if it is not used, I'd say the genetic involvement would be useless (or, how smart can you be if you don't use your brain?)
I think that people involvement is ignored, because people want to be ignorant and irresponsible; instead it is said that we actually need "scientific development" (I'm not against scientific development, but against ignoring what man -as individual - is supposed to do). Other thing I heard once was with women who wanted to have children with donated sperm, the child to be "kind, good person, etc." but none of them thought about education, but only growing him as a plant: put it in the earth, add some water and leave it at the sun, and you have all you wished!

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we would use gentical and cybertronic manipulation to improve ourselves,and combined with our control of nuclear energy we could cliam that this is the the begining or the end (depends on your view) of the human age.
if everything goes as 'planned'.

about justice:
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this is still depend on how you view the world.for example i am for execution,if i had the ultimate knowledge i would rule to exectute murderers ar rapists for example.on the other hand there could be somebody that is completly against execution no matter what and he will probably jusge different with me,even without our human limitations.
1. You don't KNOW what your decisions would be if you KNEW everything.
2. Even if you knew everything and all I said, it would still be possible for you to do things which you, in your all knowledge, would see unjust. I don't say that knowing everything and all I said forces you to be just or anyhow.
3. If you make a robot and once chose to destroy it, it is not unjust (so, we can call it just). However, if you chose to let it be, it's still not unjust (so it is just). I mean, justice does not necessarily mean "one way", or that it deprives one of freedom (like it would be "destiny" - you are forbidden of doing anything else). And, it may be possible that both you and that other one you talk about (that would not be for execution) would be just.

about alternate universes, if you are sure they exist:
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1) sure as hell.many of moder day scientists are saying that alternate universes MUST exist according to quantum and string theories.
so you mean that it is impossible that their reasoning would be faulty at any point?

about reanimation of the cell:
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you need to finda power source to enable the cell to produce energy and reproduce again.this is why we can't restore the personality beacuse it is a forced life giving.it is like a new cell.you can enable the basic instinct though.
1. I don't know what kind of power source you think about, but if you don't already have that in mind (what exactly that should be), how do you know that it would be found? (or that it can be found)
2. explain "personality is a forced life giving" - I don't pretty understand what you mean.


1) justice is subjective and depends on culture.for example in aztec culture justice was to sacrifice the prisoners and remove their earths.in judaism justice is something very different and so on.
2) yes i am sure that they are not wrong.
2) we have a theoretical way of create an artificial power source for the cell like geneticaly engeneered bacteria that will replace the mythochondry and the cell core.
3) i meant that you can't give him back his personality beacuse it is not the same cells and you can't lit up the brain.in any case he will be a bunch of walking cells.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 23, 2010, 09:04:02 AM
Muman, why are you propagating kabalah here.  These people have no business learning it.   Just discourage them from accepting what the phony frauds are telling them and that's it.   As if watered-down dumbed-down real kabalah is that much better than propagating fraud like "kabalah centre."    Neither of these ways are the true ways of learning.

I certainly don't suggest that anyone learn about Kabbalah. Several of my responses have been to suggest that what people are calling 'practical kabbalah' is in truth nothing but trickery. But there are some sources which do a decent explanation at a simple level. I find that the Kabbalah which is discussed at sites like Chabad and that Kosher Torah site are understandable {at least to me} and they don't attempt to teach the actual techniques such as the kabbalistic kevanna, etc...

I say again that Kabbalah is a subject which can send a Jew on a path which is not the most righteous. It is true if a person intends to learn in order to be able to 'control the world' or 'become like Hashem' then they are definately going to fail.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: AsheDina on June 23, 2010, 09:56:15 AM
Suddenly everyone wants to know all things Jewish. Jews are not trying to murder and chop peoples heads off.  True that left wing Jews are evil. No argument there.
But why the sudden need to know about Jewish things?  The Jews are a PEOPLE. If you are not one of these PEOPLE than why concerned? 
You should be more concerned with learning your own religion, or finding out what Islam would like to do to "Infidels" Jews and Christians.

Abe Lincoln said; If you are looking for the bad, you will always find it.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 23, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.



So if the majority of the world thought that Blacks were right and whites were wrong, then anything against a white person is justice?  If everyone in the world thought it was ok to sleep with little boys and little girls, it's justified to do it because the majority do it?  That's subjective right?

Clearly, there is only right and wrong and good and evil...all of this is based on the Torah...


yes.they percive this as justice.i percive this as gross but i would not interfere with THEIR justice.


Hmmm, interesting.  So do you intend to interfere with the Jewish Justice of the Torah?   
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Ben m on June 23, 2010, 02:42:45 PM
justice is a subjective thing.so there isn't a thing as a perfect justice and the many arguments here proves that.



So if the majority of the world thought that Blacks were right and whites were wrong, then anything against a white person is justice?  If everyone in the world thought it was ok to sleep with little boys and little girls, it's justified to do it because the majority do it?  That's subjective right?

Clearly, there is only right and wrong and good and evil...all of this is based on the Torah...


yes.they percive this as justice.i percive this as gross but i would not interfere with THEIR justice.


Hmmm, interesting.  So do you intend to interfere with the Jewish Justice of the Torah?   
no.if you want to judge people according to the torah it is fine with me.i don't realy care.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 25, 2010, 10:35:51 AM
About Justice
Quote from: Ben m
1) justice is subjective and depends on culture.for example in aztec culture justice was to sacrifice the prisoners and remove their earths.in judaism justice is something very different and so on.
The 'justice' you talk about is, of course, dependent on culture. That because people can't KNOW what is good and what is not (i.e. evil, harmful, unhealthy, etc.). And yet you will say that even good and not good are subjective as well. However, two points here:

1. In atheistic belief (and maybe in many religions), good = That which satisfies me and that which does not cause desatisfaction on me (even if by this I harm everybody); bad = That which causes more desatisfaction on me than it causes satisfaction.
So, here, things are very subjective and justice is subjective as well (the rules are never the same for everybody).

2. If God exists then there are rules and laws HE has given, that apply to every men equally.
RULES
I call rules here, laws in our human nature (i.e. there is a feeling of guilt, which can be caused by factors; the need of one to socialize and be accepted as he is by other human beings, the fact that being appreciated makes him feel good - so he learns to leave of his selfishness away; and many others) which could have not existed if God did not chose to.
LAWS
I call laws here (from "rules and laws"), things which God calls good and things which God calls bad or evil and has given us the possibility to chose to do them or not (i.e. it is bad to take as wife your own sister or mother, or an animal, just because God chose so) and the importance God gave to every law belongs to "justice" part. I believe that there is some kind of relation between the LAWS and RULES.

I don't think I used a good terminology (about rules and laws), but you understand what I said.

I also believe there are some laws that are born by the simple fact that there are more than one being in the world and that they can interact, which could make even a God (i.e. Allah) unjust: inequality in judgment (favoring people in judgment) and doing evil/harm without a reason must not happen, and if a God (i.e. Allah) allows a man to do evil/harm to somebody without a reason (not taking into account that he did evil) makes that God (i.e. Allah) unjust.
And the punishment for each evil thing done is according to God's given importance to it: worse punishments for worse evil things. If the one who judges does not chose the punishment accordingly, then I believe that that is not justice.

So justice is, in a way, subjective, because it is God who gave laws, and objective because there are many people and there must be the same law for everybody, so it is favored none (if it is bad for me to hit you, then it must be bad for you to hit me).
If there is no God, I believe that justice is an absurd term, because good & evil & nomal & abnormal are totally subjective.

about
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1) sure as hell.many of moder day scientists are saying that alternate universes MUST exist according to quantum and string theories.
I said
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so you mean that it is impossible that their reasoning would be faulty at any point?
you said
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2) yes i am sure that they are not wrong.
so I think it's either of two:
1. you studied quantum and string theory and got to the same conclusion, and now that you know that scientists got to the same conclusion you are sure that it must be so. In this case, it is still possible that you all are wrong.
2. you did not study quantum and string theory, but just blindly believe that they can't be wrong. In this case I can't tell you anything, because I believe ANY man (no matter how smart, etc.) can be wrong and I believe that blindly trusting a man (or men) is bad/wrong.

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2) we have a theoretical way of create an artificial power source for the cell like geneticaly engeneered bacteria that will replace the mythochondry and the cell core.
Do you have some link to a site or something so I can read more about it?

I will ask nothing more about personality.
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Zenith on June 25, 2010, 10:43:13 AM
Suddenly everyone wants to know all things Jewish. Jews are not trying to murder and chop peoples heads off.  True that left wing Jews are evil. No argument there.
But why the sudden need to know about Jewish things?  The Jews are a PEOPLE. If you are not one of these PEOPLE than why concerned? 
You should be more concerned with learning your own religion, or finding out what Islam would like to do to "Infidels" Jews and Christians.

Abe Lincoln said; If you are looking for the bad, you will always find it.

1. What are left wing Jews?
2. This is a jewish forum, so what was I supposed to ask for, Islamic apologetics?
I know what Islam wants to do and I think I have the right to be curios about Jewish things & views and ask questions. So what is wrong or odd about that?
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 27, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
Btw, since it was mentioned here "string theory" is in hot dispute in physics, and many renowned physicists hold that it is nonsense. 

Nonsense or not, it certainly is not empirical and very theoretical/speculative.

I just did not want to let that slide that it was presented here as a foregone conclusion or "fact" when it is in heavy dispute among the physicists (UNLIKE evolution which is not disputed by biologists).
Title: Re: Kabbalah
Post by: muman613 on June 27, 2010, 10:09:51 AM
Now for a moment of silliness:

(http://silly-string.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/silly-string-300x298.jpg)
Silly String Theory