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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on June 17, 2010, 11:28:27 AM
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Islamic conquest of Europe and the death of Christian Europe, or a comeback of Christian Europe and elimination of Islam in Europe?!
Please explain your choice.
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Obviously Christian Europe should prevail over Islam. Anyone who would prefer Islam win is a monster.
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Obviously Christian Europe should prevail over Islam. Anyone who would prefer Islam win is a monster.
The question is about what one thinks will happen eventually, not what one prefers.
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I think Islam will prevail over Europe. The Europeans love their socialist welfare states, and so they need a constant influx of immigrant workers to contribute to the pensions of their senior citizens. Also, they're afraid of being called racists, or Islamaphobes.
Also, the write Bat Ye'or wrote that in response the Arab oil embargo of 1973, the European countries all decided to form a Euro-Arab block, to ensure an uninterrupted supply of oil, and also to counter the power of the USA. Therefore, they made many agreements with the Arab countries to allow massive immigration, to promote Islam, to give Muslim friendly media coverage, and to help the Muslims with their weapons requests. The late Orianna Fallaci wrote about this in her book "The Force of Reason."
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At some point the Europeans will step up and squash the muslim immigrants. The muslims will eventually riot in the streets often and Europeans will have enough and deal with it.
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The way it seems to be going Islam is on a roll. With the exception of Geert Wilders [and a few other people], most politicians seem only too happy to accommodate the Islamic invasion. Great Brittan comes to mind. I think backlash will be forthcoming at some point, but unless the Europeans have the strength of mind to deport their Muslims back to their ethnic point of origins they will be bred out of their own lands. The Muslim oil lords may shut off the tap if that occurs. -- The new Israeli natural gas discoveries, if marketed in Europe, may provide politicians leeway enough to take their countries back. -- In my opinion the world should have worked together to freeze the oil lords assets, invade their countries, and commandeer the worlds oil supply so it can not be used as political ransom. The world has lost its nerve to stand up for itself.
Sometimes small issues are made with Islamic dress, but I see clothing as a non-threat compared to the people who wear it. Until Europeans start getting more upset directly with Islam itself, and perhaps take matters into their own hands as their politicians fail them, I don't see any hope for them. Much of Europe has little religious conviction, and the Vatican [now a toothless entity with no army to command] is impotent and content with the role of dhimmi. Muslims on the other hand are filled with religious conviction and this provides them with vigor that is highly difficult to compete with... perhaps one day the population of Europe will rise up and show the Muslim invaders the same hospitality the Jews were shown.
America may be in the same boat. Our country is large enough for enemies of the state to fill it up without anyone taking too much direct notice of a new population until its too late [these people know the value of having many, many babies, and our socialist society is only too happy to pay their way while responsible Americans plan their families according to what they can do for themselves financially]. I am not sure how many illegal aliens are Muslim, but I have an inkling of a suspicion that there are more than are being reported, and Obama would only be too happy to grant them citizenship, sliding our patriotic voting demographic a few more notches towards the worst.
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Everytime the muzzies conquered Europe, htey were kicked out and Europe came strengthened out of this situation. It will be the same again. Anti-islamist mood is clearly on the rise in Europe!
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Islam has unfortunately made much headway in Europe but Europeans will wake up and save their civilization. I am afraid, though, that it will take some time and, meanwhile, the situation will continue to deteriorate.
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Either we destroy Islam or it will destroy us.
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The Europeans decided being Socialist was more important than being moral.
Let them reap what they sow.
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The way things are going it seems as if checking the 'Eurabia' option is a no-brainer.
If the current trend isn't reversed, then 'Eurabia' is a virtual certainty.
However, one should not underestimate the potential for a wave of European xenophobia and/or the resurfacing of national pride amongst the individual members of the Eurpean union eventually resulting in the removal or defeat of the Moozie invader.
One can only hope that Europe (and for that matter, the entire Western world) comes to it's senses and forbids Mohammedans from even setting foot in 'Dar al Harb'.
Israel should be a 'light unto the nations' and lead the way in showing the proper way to deal with the Koranimal enemy.
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Once people have freedom, they can't go back. In other words, living under an Islamic state means living without freedom. Islam, therefore, will never take over Europe. They will try. But they will be squashed like bugs. At the present time, in the Netherlands, you can see that they've had it up to here with the Muslims and are passing laws to ensure that Islam does not take over their country. Sharia law will never take hold in Europe.
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"Once people have freedom, they can't go back."
Although this is a nice sentiment, I'm not so sure it is true.
I think that there was more freedom in Germany before Hitler came to power and yet the people there exuberantly supported his totalitarian regime.
There was probably more freedom in Cuba before Castro, yet a half century later the Cuban people haven't rid themselves of his 'revolution'.
No, I'm afraid that under the right circumstances (especially those of economic duress) people can and will surrender their liberties to Nazism, Communism and Islamic totalitarianism, because it seems to be the expedient way out.
Was it Patrick Henry that said "Give me liberty or give me death" ?
A noble thought. But I wouldn't count on Europeans preferring death to Islamic subjugation.
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In neither the German nor the Cuban case, did an entire outside religious group come into the country and take it over. This isn't the Middle Ages. The Muslims in Europe can be stopped dead in their tracks if the governments of Europe have the nerve to do so. But they will wreak havoc until that time.
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In neither the German nor the Cuban case, did an entire outside religious group come into the country and take it over. This isn't the Middle Ages. The Muslims in Europe can be stopped dead in their tracks if the governments of Europe have the nerve to do so. But they will wreak havoc until that time.
The governments of Europe clearly don't have the nerve to do so. In a way, it suits them to have a Muslim Europe, since both groups hate Jews.