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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mord on July 05, 2010, 04:55:17 AM
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http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010063010832/global-terrorism/pakistan-tv-debate-on-concubines-and-slavery-in-islam.html?utm_source=Right
"It is Permitted to [Take in War] Concubines [from Israel]"
Allama Zaheer: "Yes, we can. It is permitted to have concubines [from Israel]."
Mubasher Lucman: "What do you say Maulana Aslam Siddiqui? Did you listen to Maulana Ibtisam Zaheer?"
Mohammed Siddiqui: "No, I could not."
(Mubasher Lucman repeats the statement by Ibtisam Elahi)
Mohammed Siddiqui: "We do not have any accord with the countries with which we have no diplomatic relations..."
[Interruptions...]
Mubasher Lucman: "So, we can take [slaves] from Israel, if we achieve victory over Israel and get manpower?"
Mohammed Siddiqui: "Imagine! I am surprised how far-fetched you think..."
[Interruptions and laughter...]
Maulana Naeemi: "Islamic laws are very old and true. The law from the times of the caliphs is that you have to keep your promises. If you have an accord of prisoner exchange with a country, you have to give the war captives back to them."
Allama Zaheer [interrupts]: "You gave the example of Israel very positively. They are Jews. We could have married with their women in case of a victory, but we don't need that as we don't have diplomatic relations; so if we win and get slave women, and if the emir of the army distributes concubines, we can keep them as concubines if we get some of our share of war booty. And we should be thankful to Allah for that. But we cannot steal a woman from war booty..."
(Break)
Mubasher Lucman: "I have an important question that demands a detailed answer... any of you can answer it... It appears that there is a grey area where we are no defining zina [rape/adultery] as zina, as it is."
Maulana Naeemi: "No, it's not so..."
Mubasher Lucman: "You said, it can be without nikah"
[Interruptions...]
Maulana Naeemi: "We have to follow Koran. We cannot question the Koran. If the Koran says it is black, we have to say it is black; we cannot think if it is black or not. If the Koran says it is white it is white. The Koran says when you have women in war booty, you are allowed to have sexual relations with them. This is what the Koran says, not you and I."
Allama Zaheer: "There is no grey area. What the Koran allows is allowed, what the Koran forbids us from is forbidden..."
There's alot more about Indian women as well
Speaking on "Point Blank with Luqman," a television program hosted by Pakistani television presenter Mubasher Luqman, prominent Pakistani clerics said that Islam permits Muslims to keep concubines. Video footage of the program was posted on the Pakistani website pakistanherald.com.
The show, which airs at 11:00 pm from Monday through Friday, is a talk show on which a variety of social and political issues in Pakistan are discussed. The particular edition of the program on which the clerics spoke was aired on Pakistani television channel Express News on May 31, 2010.
The participants included Allama Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer, the Secretary General of the puritanical religious organization Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith; Barelvi cleric Maulana Raghib Naeemi, the Nazim-e-Aala of the Jamia Naeemia madrassa; and Dr. Mohammed Aslam Siddiqui, a Jamaat-e-Islami politician and former head of the Department of Mosques at the Punjab University, who joined by telephone
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What they can take is a bullet in the head
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A follower of the Koran who seeks combat with any member of Jewry [as their book demands], deserves a well crafted bullet directly to the brain. What value, besides death, can any Islamist seeking conflict behold if conflict with Jewry is sought [or conflict with any other camp]? Debate and multiculturalism is worth nil, unless such discourse is suggested as an open ended joke [only in humor]. Death to Arabic antisemitism [Islam].
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They are insane. :o
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That didn't work out too well for Mohammed did it? :P :laugh:
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Any muslim savage who lays a hand on a non-muslim woman should be butchered.
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Any slaves of Muslims should poison their lamb supper, and use something quicker this time, nobody wants to wait three years to see a Muslim pig die a slow death.
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They can take a CENSORED.