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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mizrahi 4 LIFE on August 01, 2010, 01:06:00 AM
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I never had any problems with anyone here, but you thought I was some kind of “troll”. I have nothing against any Jew (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, or Convert) but some of you do. I have no problem with any Christian (except those who hate Jews and killed the Jewish people for thousands of years, much more than the Muslims), I really don’t care if you believe me or not my real name is Yaniv Farhi, I’m 100% Jewish not Muslim, Christian, Hindu (Thank G-d). A few of you (VERY FEW) are normal and decent people, but the majority of you are haters, biased, and sheep. Following chaim ben pesach, you don’t have your own brains, you agree on everything he says like robots. Chaim ben pesach you my friend have no Emunah, you think of yourself so highly as if you have the power to do something, but in reality you and this "jtf" only talk a lot, nothing but posting up hate on all religions except Christianity, and posting up news. JDL with Rabbi Kahane ZTL was much better, they at least made an impact, and what does JTF do? Attack any new member who might have a different view. You guys have some so-called statements and videos by chaim, that you guys knew that 9/11 and other events would happen, well I’ll tell you some things for sure what will happen. 1. Most of the jtf members will leave (how many members you have now, about 30?) 2. JTF will cease to exist (if it goes the way it’s going now) 3. JTF will never do anything innovative. 4 JTF will never change anything here or in Israel. And If you guys delete this post like my other posts it just proves that I ‘am right.
p.s change your quote “in your heart, you know were right, and in your guts you know they’re nuts” not only is it stupid but for who is this message? (as if you have thousands of people seeing this)
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Sheep is already plural, so how can we be sheep's? And why the apostrophe?
1. Most of the jtf members will leave (how many members you have now, about 30?)
Some of the members have been around for many years, but all forums do have a certain turnover rate.
2. JTF will cease to exist (if it goes the way it’s going now)
Why?
3. JTF will never do anything innovative.
What about all the great songs that Paulette has sung? That was something new! Also if Chaim can afford to hire Shlomo later, then many new features will be added to the site.
4 JTF will never change anything here or in Israel.
Chaim sends money to settlers in Israel and helps them with what they need. I say that has to make some real difference.
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If JTF worths nothing as you say why is the Shabak so afraid of Chaim that they don't let him in (I remember what Yonatan Yosef from the Shimon Ha'Tzadik Jewish neighorhood of Jerusalem is telling me, they're deadly afraid of getting him in because they know what it will cause them)?
Why did we get onto TV over 5 times and the names of our Movement and our Website weren't shown because they knew what it will cause?
Why did me and another moderator from the Hebrew forum were shown on A7?
Why was Chaim interviewed by A7?
Thanks to who are many of the Jewish liberators from Judea and Samaria are there, living under human conditions and do not end up like the Amona and Gush Katif Jews?
etc, etc.
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To be completely honest I despise Christianity and see it as a threat to the Jews just like Islam is - this is a choice between the Crusaders and the Muslims, the Soviets or the Nazis - but this is my view. Everybody here knows me and knows my views and my respectful disagreement with Chaim.
The just fight for Israel is the sole reason I'm here and the Hayamin Ha'amiti/JTF movement, whose main focus is on Israel, does an excellent job regarding it.
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Mizrahi 4 LIFE, you are totally off-base about JTF and Chaim!!!
Back on June 22, I visited Hebron during an 8 day trip to Israel. I had the honor to speak to Elisheva Federman for a few minutes. Elisheva Federman expressed great appreciation for the generosity of Chaim and all the JTF supporters. In essence, she said that JTF is essential for the Jews in Judea and Samaria. This reinforced my support for JTF. I'm grateful that Chaim is willing to devote his life for the cause.
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TROLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! You sound like a stupid pedophile worshiper. (And no I dont mean you are a fan of Michael Jackson)
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What took him so long to leave?
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yaniv mizrachi did not u pay attention to how many view 3 jews from brooklyn attracted by posting up videos on youtube? how many videos chaim ben pesach has on hebrew which were translated by our members of jtf ? if its not action then what is?
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To be completely honest I despise Christianity and see it as a threat to the Jews just like Islam is - this is a choice between the Crusaders and the Muslims, the Soviets or the Nazis - but this is my view. Everybody here knows me and knows my views and my respectful disagreement with Chaim.
The just fight for Israel is the sole reason I'm here and the Hayamin Ha'amiti/JTF movement, whose main focus is on Israel, does an excellent job regarding it.
Ron, would you PLEASE cut that out!!!! You are doing HUGE damage to the American JTF movement by showing hatred towards a huge group of our supporters that Chaim has done an incredible job of bringing into our ranks.
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To be completely honest I despise Christianity and see it as a threat to the Jews just like Islam is - this is a choice between the Crusaders and the Muslims, the Soviets or the Nazis - but this is my view. Everybody here knows me and knows my views and my respectful disagreement with Chaim.
The just fight for Israel is the sole reason I'm here and the Hayamin Ha'amiti/JTF movement, whose main focus is on Israel, does an excellent job regarding it.
Ron, would you PLEASE cut that out!!!!
You didn't even notice what I wrote about JTF and Jews - obviously Christians are more important for you than Jews are.
Trust me - the Christians don't need your love for them. They can defend themeselves on their own. If they have something to say about my views, they can go ahead. But don't cry out for them - it's not your job.
Now flame away. Your irrational hatred is obvious.
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening. few of you are really intellegent people who have love for Israel and your fellow brothers (Jews) but some of you need to learn basic Halacha (law).
as for the christian members to those of you who are truly for Israel and care about the Jewish people, thank you
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
What I listed above means nothing to you?
What did you do except for posting bullcrap on the net while sitting in your cave in the Exile?
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
Why do you think that? We have some very good members who are very dedicated.
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
Why do you think that? We have some very good members who are very dedicated.
Such as Rubystars?
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
What I listed above means nothing to you?
What did you do except for posting bullcrap on the net while sitting in your cave in the Exile?
my brother i'm not allowed to enter Israel.
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
Why do you think that? We have some very good members who are very dedicated.
Such as Rubystars?
Paulette, David ben Moshe, CJD, Bullcat, Briann, Master Wolf, Massuh, Hindu Zionist, Hanna, Dr. Brennan Fan, Kahane was right BT, and many, many others.
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
What I listed above means nothing to you?
What did you do except for posting bullcrap on the net while sitting in your cave in the Exile?
my brother i'm not allowed to enter Israel.
For defending Islam on the net?
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
What I listed above means nothing to you?
What did you do except for posting bullcrap on the net while sitting in your cave in the Exile?
my brother i'm not allowed to enter Israel.
For defending Islam on the net?
when did i ver defend Islam? i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
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Please don't let this posting cause division here. It seems like everyone is on edge today. It was a difficult evening for me... Everyone knows my views of missionaries and I have grown angrier at them for my own reasons which I will not bring up here...
But we should work together despite the words which have been said here. Lashon Hara is very deadly and we should not say it because it will come back and bite us.
I am very sorry that this Mizrahi4Life is so turned off to our forum. I have tried to make peace between everyone here but some feuds cannnot be resolved and we must go our own way.
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
Why do you think that? We have some very good members who are very dedicated.
Such as Rubystars?
Paulette, David ben Moshe, CJD, Bullcat, Briann, Master Wolf, Massuh, Hindu Zionist, Hanna, Dr. Brennan Fan, Kahane was right BT, and many, many others.
And thank you RS for acknowledging my contribution... It is very obvious..
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I am in the chatroom now, can we all try to discuss things in a reasonable way? I will wait 20-30 minutes and then I will leave and go to bed...
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And thank you RS for acknowledging my contribution... It is very obvious..
I also didn't mention Dan ben Noah, Ulli, Mord, Confederate Kahanist, and many other people I like, or contribute a lot to JTF. I still probably left some of the brightest shining stars out of the list. Dont' take it personally, it's not an attack on you nor is it meant to diminish anyone's contribution.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
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And thank you RS for acknowledging my contribution... It is very obvious..
I also didn't mention Dan ben Noah, Ulli, Mord, Confederate Kahanist, and many other people I like, or contribute a lot to JTF. I still probably left some of the brightest shining stars out of the list. Dont' take it personally, it's not an attack on you nor is it meant to diminish anyone's contribution.
Thank you... I too am a bit emotional tonight..
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening
Why do you think that? We have some very good members who are very dedicated.
Such as Rubystars?
Paulette, David ben Moshe, CJD, Bullcat, Briann, Master Wolf, Massuh, Hindu Zionist, Hanna, Dr. Brennan Fan, Kahane was right BT, and many, many others.
And thank you RS for acknowledging my contribution... It is very obvious..
It's not all of her favorites after all she didn't mention me
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And thank you RS for acknowledging my contribution... It is very obvious..
I also didn't mention Dan ben Noah, Ulli, Mord, Confederate Kahanist, and many other people I like, or contribute a lot to JTF. I still probably left some of the brightest shining stars out of the list. Dont' take it personally, it's not an attack on you nor is it meant to diminish anyone's contribution.
Thank you... I too am a bit emotional tonight..
You're welcome and I hope you feel better soon.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
Weren't you supposed to have left?
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
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Give me a telephone nr. I will call them.
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Give me a telephone nr. I will call them.
i dont need to prove my self, if you want to investiagate find the # your self
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Give me a telephone nr. I will call them.
i dont need to prove my self, if you want to investiagate find the # your self
Even the worms won't eat you.
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Well, I am going to be honest. I think that there are some changes JTF should do if you really want to gain credibility.
First of all, anti-Black statements should be dropped down. You say that you only criticise some attitudes and stances of Afro-Americans, but let's be quite honest. If any Black person comes here you cannot expect him to like his race/ethnicity/skin color being constantly attacked and mocked. Some statements about te Haitian earthquaque have been really pathetic.
Second, I find it to be a mistake to be always siding with right-wings Gentiles because many of them are anti-Semites and we cannot cover reality with our hands. It's true that anti-Semitism is moslly lead by the leftists now, but we cannot ignore the other side.
Third, while I, myself, am quite bitter with Muslims because even those who reject violence are still quite against Israel, and I have insulted them many times in chatrooms, this is a movement and not a personal blog. If we want credibility, we must not be utopic. There are about 1000.000.000 Muslims in the world and we cannot expect them to change religion or destroy them. Even if it were just one Muslim who wants to keep his dietary laws, fast on Ramadan and pray according to his ways, as a movement, we should respect them, even if we personally are bitter for all the harm caused by Muslims.
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Yeah. Let's take Raulmarrio's advice and go all PC. We need credibility. :::D Keep reality in the closet. We'll attract the best and the brightest of evil black culture and those peace loving Muslims. Best of all we might drive away those pesky gentiles. :jump:
All un PC chat should be relagated to the chat room!
Raulmarrio - I don't think we are trying to attract the pc member. Those are the enemies of Israel and America. Give me a break.
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Yeah wouldn't it be great if all the Christians left JTF? (I can hear someone saying YES in the background, but I'll ignore them like I often do).
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I'm going to say a few things that will upset many of you.
Back in the days of the jdl they were able to get attention by causing a little mischief and ending up in the front page of the newspapers. I had relavation the other day of something we can do legally that could potentially do the same thing. However it will take a quite a few people to do it and not one or two people. Put up videos galore for jtf on YouTube and tilting them after hot repeating news such as chelseas wedding or Levin Johnson or whatever.
Instead I see people getting distracted by alookas like m4l. What are we? Immature 4 yr olds that we react to degenerate attention seeking leeches like m4l or Ben m or whomever?! I barely read any of m4l's posts or even replied to him
Ignore this nudnik and start doing research and posting videos.
Grow up.
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Buddy, it's quite simple- - - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing is perfect, but we do what we can within the limited framework that we have. Is it easy? no. Is it accomplishing something? I think so.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that, because JTF changed my life and I don't care what anybody else thinks. The rest is in Hashem's hands. Chaim is a hero, in my eyes, AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT ANYONE THINKS!!!!!!!!! I think you should do something if you see JTF is ineffective. Start your own movement.
Secondly, I do agree with Ron on this one. What folks don't understand is that there's no merit in Jews being close with Christians. It doesn't matter if this and this person is nice; what matters is what Hashem said. So PLEASE don't scream at Ron on this one (but anything else, be my guest :laugh: ) The halacha forbids us from getting too close to non-Jews (and evil Jews, of course). I don't want to get into anything too deep, but for the millionth time, Chaim built his movement in such a way, but at the end of the day, Kol Yisrael Chaverim, V'lo "Kol Notzrim Gam Chaverim Im Yisrael"
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Yeah wouldn't it be great if all the Christians left JTF? (I can hear someone saying YES in the background, but I'll ignore them like I often do).
LOL
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It would be HORRIBLE if any DECENT person with good intentions and an honorable character left JTF. JTF needs honorable good people, people with a soul and character. If a movement doesn't have that, it doesn't have anything. We don't need to agree, but all need to behave honorably. There are a core group of people on here with whom I agree on almost everything and I love them.
Perhaps more importantly for this thread, there are a core group of people on here with whom I do NOT agree and while they make me angry sometimes, I recognise that they are as important as I am or more important than I am with respect to this forum. It's not PC to always try and respect other people. Nowhere is this more true in a group where we are coalesced around certain CORE issues: preserving America, Israel, and the West.
Many people on this forum, Chaim, Lisa, CJD, Bullcat, Rubystars, and others, have pointed out that there are other issues that we may not have unilateral agreement on.
For example, there are a very few people on this forum who will always hate every homosexual that has ever lived (practicing or not, trying to deal with it or not)... I should add very few again for emphasis. Clearly I am not going to like this person. So I do my best to stay away from them. I fail sometimes, but I try unless I see them saying things that are just beyond the pale of ugly. Lisa, one of our our moderatosr, has made some very nice points about this.
My advice to you Mizrahi is to try and be respectful of other people if you want to remain on this forum. You write well. You seem to think. You seem to be a feeling person. I hope that if you stay here, you will work at being a member of this community. Should you choose to stay I will certainly support you in that
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Buddy, it's quite simple- - - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing is perfect, but we do what we can within the limited framework that we have. Is it easy? no. Is it accomplishing something? I think so.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that, because JTF changed my life and I don't care what anybody else thinks. The rest is in Hashem's hands. Chaim is a hero, in my eyes, AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT ANYONE THINKS!!!!!!!!! I think you should do something if you see JTF is ineffective. Start your own movement.
Secondly, I do agree with Ron on this one. What folks don't understand is that there's no merit in Jews being close with Christians. It doesn't matter if this and this person is nice; what matters is what Hashem said. So PLEASE don't scream at Ron on this one (but anything else, be my guest :laugh: ) The halacha forbids us from getting too close to non-Jews (and evil Jews, of course). I don't want to get into anything too deep, but for the millionth time, Chaim built his movement in such a way, but at the end of the day, Kol Yisrael Chaverim, V'lo "Kol Notzrim Gam Chaverim Im Yisrael"
Mo2388, No one is screaming at Ron. I actually respected his post earlier in this thread. He doesn't throw rocks and hide his hands, when it comes to Christians.
He is quite clear about his beliefs.
I don't understand your post. How does working with or befriending a non Jew go against G-d? As long as both parties are respectful of the others beliefs.
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Mo,
I'm going to start posting your trite comments about other issues in light of you defending the idea that Jews shouldn't befriend Christians. What is with you man? You post comments, these obnoxious short comments with no explanations all over the forum and then you choose to reserve your armanetarium of words for the defense of this bunk? What is with you? You have really changed. When my friend, Music or Serpie, introduced me to you on YT, you were not like this. Your parents, I am sure, did not teach you this. A good Jew is of upright moral character who speaks out against things that are morally wrong in all situations in which he or she can. This certainly is true in the case of the Christian people sometimes maligned by a few individuals on this forum. Even though, I ABSOLUTELY disagree with Ron here, he has a right to his opinion--though I'm not sure why he keeps feeling the need to express it. He doesn't have a right to your defense of HIM BEING somehow immune from criticism for his position. So what, the Christians here, who support us, and care for us, should just take it? Again, I ask, what is with you, man?
Lastly, some of the people on this forum need a lesson in empathy because they don't seem to have any, either that or they just don't care. I'm not sure which is worse. And this present example enrages me when I see it done to Jews, so I dont have a clue as to why some people here don't think that Christians who are our friends, won't feel the same pain and anger that we feel when Jews are subject to double standards. "Do unto others" is a maxim that some of us should be saying to ourselves everytime we post, everytime..
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Christian hating is bad, Mmmkay?
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Christian hating is bad, Mmmkay?
BINGO!
Did anyone see that episode of "curb your enthusiasm" "Bingo"
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I don't reject Mizrahi's recently written critique entirely out of hand, although I do reject the "tone" and "negativity" of the post, because criticism which is presented as a scathing indictment is almost always rejected.
In fact, I consider some of Mizrahi's points of criticism to be valid ones; at least in pointing out some of JTF's weaknesses.
It occurs to me that several JTF members, myself among them, might want to make positive suggestions as to how JTF might could become an even more effective activist organization.
How about setting up a "Suggestion Box", accessible only to long term members from the "messages" section of the forum by entering our individual passwords, for addressing directly to Chaim Ben Pesach our thoughts as to activist strategies which might assist JTF in increasing its support?
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I never had any problems with anyone here, but you thought I was some kind of “troll”. I have nothing against any Jew (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, or Convert) but some of you do. I have no problem with any Christian (except those who hate Jews and killed the Jewish people for thousands of years, much more than the Muslims), I really don’t care if you believe me or not my real name is Yaniv Farhi, I’m 100% Jewish not Muslim, Christian, Hindu (Thank G-d). A few of you (VERY FEW) are normal and decent people, but the majority of you are haters, biased, and sheep. Following chaim ben pesach, you don’t have your own brains, you agree on everything he says like robots. Chaim ben pesach you my friend have no Emunah, you think of yourself so highly as if you have the power to do something, but in reality you and this "jtf" only talk a lot, nothing but posting up hate on all religions except Christianity, and posting up news.
Hmm. Let's recap:
I never had any problems with anyone here
I have nothing against any Jew
and then:
Chaim ben pesach you my friend have no Emunah, you think of yourself so highly as if you have the power to do something, but in reality you and this "jtf" only talk a lot, nothing but posting up hate on all religions
Hmm. Someone's not being honest.
You guys have some so-called statements and videos by chaim,
You were against JTF before you got here, so why did you join the forum? You're just letting out your frustrations now, but why did you hide your true feelings when you first came here? That's very cowardly. You can be against us and stick around here, just expect to get housed in every debate. But what you did was very cowardly.
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Yeah. Let's take Raulmarrio's advice and go all PC. We need credibility. :::D Keep reality in the closet. We'll attract the best and the brightest of evil black culture and those peace loving Muslims. Best of all we might drive away those pesky gentiles. :jump:
Raul is a gentile.
This was uncalled for.
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Quote from: Ron Juan on Today at 01:24:51 AM
To be completely honest I despise Christianity and see it as a threat to the Jews just like Islam is - this is a choice between the Crusaders and the Muslims, the Soviets or the Nazis - but this is my view. Everybody here knows me and knows my views and my respectful disagreement with Chaim.
Well, I am going to be honest. I think that there are some changes JTF should do if you really want to gain credibility.
First of all, anti-Black statements should be dropped down. You say that you only criticise some attitudes and stances of Afro-Americans, but let's be quite honest. If any Black person comes here you cannot expect him to like his race/ethnicity/skin color being constantly attacked and mocked. Some statements about te Haitian earthquaque have been really pathetic.
Second, I find it to be a mistake to be always siding with right-wings Gentiles because many of them are anti-Semites and we cannot cover reality with our hands. It's true that anti-Semitism is moslly lead by the leftists now, but we cannot ignore the other side.
Third, while I, myself, am quite bitter with Muslims because even those who reject violence are still quite against Israel, and I have insulted them many times in chatrooms, this is a movement and not a personal blog. If we want credibility, we must not be utopic. There are about 1000.000.000 Muslims in the world and we cannot expect them to change religion or destroy them. Even if it were just one Muslim who wants to keep his dietary laws, fast on Ramadan and pray according to his ways, as a movement, we should respect them, even if we personally are bitter for all the harm caused by Muslims.
Buddy, it's quite simple- - - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing is perfect, but we do what we can within the limited framework that we have. Is it easy? no. Is it accomplishing something? I think so.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that, because JTF changed my life and I don't care what anybody else thinks. The rest is in Hashem's hands. Chaim is a hero, in my eyes, AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT ANYONE THINKS!!!!!!!!! I think you should do something if you see JTF is ineffective. Start your own movement.
Secondly, I do agree with Ron on this one. What folks don't understand is that there's no merit in Jews being close with Christians. It doesn't matter if this and this person is nice; what matters is what Hashem said. So PLEASE don't scream at Ron on this one (but anything else, be my guest :laugh: ) The halacha forbids us from getting too close to non-Jews (and evil Jews, of course). I don't want to get into anything too deep, but for the millionth time, Chaim built his movement in such a way, but at the end of the day, Kol Yisrael Chaverim, V'lo "Kol Notzrim Gam Chaverim Im Yisrael"
Dealing with stupid people is dangerous and this thread shows quite a high level of stupidity.... All I can say is thank G-d for Chaim because he is smart enough to take help from whatever quarter it comes from....If it were not for Chaim this movement would have long gone by the wayside...In the early days of the forum the Gentile membership was well over 50% of the movement... They played a very big part of making JTF Forum a presence on the internet... Because of threads like this and so many others we lost many of the great people that made this forum a place where Jews and Gentiles could work together.... Whats left now of the Gentile membership are the die hard supporters like myself that really pay little or no attention to the magpies that twitter away about one stupidity or another.... As I say often look at the great success Kahane forum had when they saw fit to drive off all its Gentile membership...Posts like the one's above do nothing but cause added hatred of the Jewish people.... People coming to our English Forum seeing threads like this will never return.... We have people concerned about insulting blacks and muslims who are for the most part people that will never support our movement however all out Christian bashing is just fine and dandy. I really feel some of our members here need to take stock in our movement and see what would be left of our English forum if most of its Gentile membership disappeared tomorrow.... This gentile is here for the duration however I am sure there are many who's skin is not as thick as mine.
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i dont care what you guys think of me! i still believe that JTF could become a major org. that could maybe one day take over, but with the people on this forum i dont see it happening. few of you are really intellegent people who have love for Israel and your fellow brothers (Jews) but some of you need to learn basic Halacha (law).
I hope you don't think "halacha" is worshiping Rav Ovadia Yosef.
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Raul is a gentile.
This was uncalled for.
He keeps making crazy divisive posts.
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Yeah. Let's take Raulmarrio's advice and go all PC. We need credibility. :::D Keep reality in the closet. We'll attract the best and the brightest of evil black culture and those peace loving Muslims. Best of all we might drive away those pesky gentiles. :jump:
Raul is a gentile.
This was uncalled for.
Really? What was that about right wing gentiles being antisemitic for the most part? That in my opinion was uncalled for. What difference does it make if he is a gentile?
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Yeah. Let's take Raulmarrio's advice and go all PC. We need credibility. :::D Keep reality in the closet. We'll attract the best and the brightest of evil black culture and those peace loving Muslims. Best of all we might drive away those pesky gentiles. :jump:
Raul is a gentile.
This was uncalled for.
Really? What was that about right wing gentiles being antisemitic for the most part? That in my opinion was uncalled for. What difference does it make if he is a gentile?
Well he's speaking about the far-right which does have some nazi presence in it - ie david duke and his minions, hag buchanan, etc - (even though nazism is really leftism). I don't think he was saying something against gentiles being that he is one himself. And I don't think he meant it against good rightwing members like yourself. I don't agree with his view personally, but I also don't see his view as an attack on gentiles. Maybe he phrased it poorly, but I'd be very surprised if he meant it that way.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
Exactly what i was thinking ;D ;D
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JTF is ineffective? The Israeli news media disagrees with you. The media has done numerous stories on how our movement makes a big difference in the struggle to support the Jews in Judea and Samaria - a struggle that will decide in the end the very future of tiny Israel. The media and the Shabak (the Israeli KGB) have made it clear that we are the group offering support and backup to the Jewish heroes who are on the front lines fighting to prevent the creation of an independent Arab terrorist state in Israel's Biblical heartland - which would be national suicide for little Israel.
*Dany Zak, the main editor of NRG, the web site of Israel's second biggest newspaper Maariv, even started a special facebook account against Chaim Ben Pesach and Hayamin Haamiti.
*The anarchist leftist traitors who were preventing Jews from living normal lives in east Jerusalem now are afraid to harass these Jewish heroes because we exposed the anarchists on our Hebrew forum. This is essential to the struggle to prevent Israel from surrendering her sacred capital of Jerusalem. We showed you the many television reports in Israel on how Hayamin Haamiti created this fear among anarchist traitors.
*The Israeli Shabak efforts to entrap Jewish heroes and drive them out of Judea and Samaria have also been hurt by Hayamin Haamiti's exposing of their evil agents. The television reports about this are sticky threaded on our forum.
*People like eb who have spoken to Elisheva Federman and other leaders of the Hilltop Youth movement have heard how JTF is essential to the Jews in Judea and Samaria. Ron heard the same thing from Jews in east Jerusalem.
You consider all of this to be ineffective? Are you insane? JTF is the most effective Jewish group in the world today. Do you realize what would happen in Judea and Samaria if JTF didn't exist?
For you, JTF would be effective if we went around saying that Arab Nazis are really Jewish, that blacks in Africa are Jewish etc.
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And this example I give enrages me when I see it done to Jews, so I dont have a clue as to why some people here don't think that Christians who are our friends, won't feel the same pain and anger that we feel when Jews are subject to double standards. "Do unto others" is a maxim that some of us should be saying to ourselves everytime we post, everytime..
Those who learn the lesson from Judah the Maccabee wars and association with Rome and what was the result, those who are familir with Christian writings and theology to see how viciously anti-Semitic they are (honesty, no?), will have no problems not being friends with them the same way we don't befriend Moslems - we don't befriend enemies. So don't put the criminal as the victim and the victim as the criminal.
According to people who share my view (and there are), there's no difference between the two, morally. The Christians have their own missioary, anti-Islamic interests regarding this (sad) "alliance" and the Jews have their own (saving Israel from the Arabs and Islam, missioaries, Russian Gentiles, immoral behaviour, etc - sadly being ready to sacrifice themeselves for other nations).
I will trust a Christian who says he wants to be my friend and loves my people the same way I will trust a Muslim who says so.
Even if all above was not true - as Jews it's obvious our priority should be JEWS, because every sane person cares about his people foremost. There are double standarts in what you said because Jews and non-Jews cannot be equal in our eyes.
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JTF is ineffective? The Israeli news media disagrees with you. The media has done numerous stories on how our movement makes a big difference in the struggle to support the Jews in Judea and Samaria - a struggle that will decide in the end the very future of tiny Israel. The media and the Shabak (the Israeli KGB) have made it clear that we are the group offering support and backup to the Jewish heroes who are on the front lines fighting to prevent the creation of an independent Arab terrorist state in Israel's Biblical heartland - which would be national suicide for little Israel.
*Dany Zak, the main editor of NRG, the web site of Israel's second biggest newspaper Maariv, even started a special facebook account against Chaim Ben Pesach and Hayamin Haamiti.
*The anarchist leftist traitors who were preventing Jews from living normal lives in east Jerusalem now are afraid to harass these Jewish heroes because we exposed the anarchists on our Hebrew forum. This is essential to the struggle to prevent Israel from surrendering her sacred capital of Jerusalem. We showed you the many television reports in Israel on how Hayamin Haamiti created this fear among anarchist traitors.
*The Israeli Shabak efforts to entrap Jewish heroes and drive them out of Judea and Samaria have also been hurt by Hayamin Haamiti's exposing of their evil agents. The television reports about this are sticky threaded on our forum.
*People like eb who have spoken to Elisheva Federman and other leaders of the Hilltop Youth movement have heard how JTF is essential to the Jews in Judea and Samaria. Ron heard the same thing from Jews in east Jerusalem.
You consider all of this to be ineffective? Are you insane? JTF is the most effective Jewish group in the world today. Do you realize what would happen in Judea and Samaria if JTF didn't exist?
For you, JTF would be effective if we went around saying that Arab Nazis are really Jewish, that blacks in Africa are Jewish etc.
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Give me a telephone nr. I will call them.
i dont need to prove my self, if you want to investiagate find the # your self
Even the worms won't eat you.
You're always talking about canibalism. Like father like son?
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysid #
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
who is Bobby
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane,
How is he the same as Haim ben Shimon?
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
who is Bobby
Robert the Dutch queen
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane,
How is he the same as Haim ben Shimon?
Once when an admin was checking, he saw they have the same IPs, then they had similiar IPs (meaning he has 2 different computer or 2 different networks they're using at the same time same place), and he's obviously 2 browsers once both accounts are active.
I know this tactic - I use it while I promote our videos on YouTube.
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
He has his face all over the Internets protesting against muzzies in Hollsnd
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
who is Bobby
Robert the Dutch queen
He has his face all over the internet protesting muzzies
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
He has his face all over the Internets protesting against muzzies in Hollsnd
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
who is Bobby
Robert the Dutch queen
He has his face all over the internet protesting muzzies
Did he do that in a Muslim neighborhood/quarter/city like I did in Shimon Ha'Tzadik, Uhm al Fahem, Rahat etc (and I didn't protest but did more than that) or was among his lovely fellow Dutchmen?
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
He has his face all over the Internets protesting against muzzies in Hollsnd
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
who is Bobby
Robert the Dutch queen
He has his face all over the internet protesting muzzies
Did he do that in a Muslim neighborhood/quarter/city like I did in Shimon Ha'Tzadik, Uhm al Fahem, Rahat etc (and I didn't protest but did more than that) or was among his lovely fellow Dutchmen?
With how many police around you?
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when did i ver defend Islam?
In your first post.
i sat in prison many times for muslims and otehr anti-semites.
What? ???
for fighting with them
He has his face all over the Internets protesting against muzzies in Hollsnd
Right... I think you need to lay off the magic mushrooms and go bury yourself.
go to Ramla, prison ask about me or go to rikers island
Was that your real name you posted if it is i'll find tomorrow night if you were at Rikers Island and i'll even give you your nysis #
Cut the bullcrap, he's real (he's the same one as Chaim Ben Shimon) but insane, Bob should go play under the Dutch power station and you should stop being the slave of the Crusaders.
What bull crap are you talking about
Why cyber lynching him?
just leave him alone - he's real and this is approved by Chaim. I know both of you wouldn't have the balls to do that on real life anyway.
Your a cyber warrior
hurt you amigo?
you couldn't your to insignificant
Then why are you busy under-estimating my value and fighting with me? Go play with your loved one Bobby.
who is Bobby
Robert the Dutch queen
He has his face all over the internet protesting muzzies
Did he do that in a Muslim neighborhood/quarter/city like I did in Shimon Ha'Tzadik, Uhm al Fahem, Rahat etc (and I didn't protest but did more than that) or was among his lovely fellow Dutchmen?
With how many police around you?
you mean around the Arabs and the Leftists defending them?
many
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Once when an admin was checking, he saw they have the same IPs, then they had similiar IPs (meaning he has 2 different computer or 2 different networks they're using at the same time same place), and he's obviously 2 browsers once both accounts are active.
I know this tactic - I use it while I promote our videos on YouTube.
2 computers on 2 different networks, or 2 computers on the same network? If it's 2 computers on 2 different networks, well, you could take any two users in the forum and say the same thing about everyone.
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2 computers on 2 different networks, or 2 computers on the same network? If it's 2 computers on 2 different networks, well, you could take any two users in the forum and say the same thing about everyone.
What part didn't you understand brother?
one computer cannot use more than one network on the same time - using 2 comps with 2 nets on the same time brings 2 different IPs working in the same time.
Case closed.
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Ron,
First of all thank you very much for your response.
Comparing the Christians on this forum with the Christians of 2000 years ago, those in the crusades, or those who participated in the Shoah is just...well crazy. I am not saying that to insult you, but because I can't emphasize how very untrue the comparison is. The Christians on this forum ARE comparable to the few Christians who saved Jewish lives in the Shoah. This should be your comparison. This is not my attempt to 'suck up' to Christians. I am very direct with Christians who I think dislike me for my Jewish faith. Also your use of the word "criminal" is equally disturbing. Yes, I think you are insulting our friends, our allies. If you do not trust 'them,' then this, in my opinion only, is your loss. Regardless, they are here and like you and I, they deserve every bit the same amount of respect that we do on this forum. My friendship with Christians, NO, my friendship with anybody is based on their behavior, not the writings of their faith tradition. Nowhere could that be more true than here where Christians go out of their way to reject the anti-Semitism pronounced by some members of their faith tradition in years past.
Ron, I agree with you, Jews looking out for each other and themselves is a priority, but it isn't a priority that needs to exist in isolation.
Ron, all righteous people are equal in my eyes. A person's behavior in the world defines how close they can or should get to me, not their faith. I have friends from all walks of life, not a ton of them, but a very good few, whom I know would have my 'back' in any situation. These are the people I am loyal to first. That doesn't mean if a Jew were in danger I wouldn't risk my own neck to help him or her, I absolutely would.
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2 computers on 2 different networks, or 2 computers on the same network? If it's 2 computers on 2 different networks, well, you could take any two users in the forum and say the same thing about everyone.
What part didn't you understand brother?
one computer cannot use more than one network on the same time - using 2 comps with 2 nets on the same time brings 2 different IPs working in the same time.
Case closed.
Ron Juan your accusations are stupid and could cost a good Jtfer like me leave. the case is not closed until i close it or get banned by Chaim himself. Last thing i am going to say is that i am innocent until proven guilty, i use my cellphone my laptop and my friends tech and i hang out everywhere and catch different wifi so check your records and see maybe me and this mizrachi leave in the same neighborhood could that be possible ???
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Mo,
I'm going to start posting your trite comments about other issues in light of you defending the idea that Jews shouldn't befriend Christians. What is with you man? You post comments, these obnoxious short comments with no explanations all over the forum and then you choose to reserve your armanetarium of words for the defense of this bunk? What is with you? You have really changed. When my friend, Music or Serpie, introduced me to you on YT, you were not like this. Your parents, I am sure, did not teach you this. A good Jew is of upright moral character who speaks out against things that are morally wrong in all situations in which he or she can. This certainly is true in the case of the Christian people sometimes maligned by a few individuals on this forum. Even though, I ABSOLUTELY disagree with Ron here, he has a right to his opinion--though I'm not sure why he keeps feeling the need to express it. He doesn't have a right to your defense of HIM BEING somehow immune from criticism for his position. So what, the Christians here, who support us, and care for us, should just take it? Again, I ask, what is with you, man?
Lastly, some of the people on this forum need a lesson in empathy because they don't seem to have any, either that or they just don't care. I'm not sure which is worse. And this present example enrages me when I see it done to Jews, so I dont have a clue as to why some people here don't think that Christians who are our friends, won't feel the same pain and anger that we feel when Jews are subject to double standards. "Do unto others" is a maxim that some of us should be saying to ourselves everytime we post, everytime..
Show me one halacha where it says Jews should go out of their way to befriend Christians. There's a reason why it's not allowed. I was defending his comment after that guy posted in capitals with exclamation points. If you want to criticize halacha, go ahead. I'm just telling you what the Torah advocates.
I have no problem working with Christians for a common goal. I appreciate the reminders, however, to not get too close, because it is too dangerous. It is MORE dangerous to get too close to a bad Jew. For more proof, just look at the inter-marriage rate. I think you read too much into a lot of things, and you're very, very bitter. Lighten up. Smile. Think positively. We are all friends here, and I care for each of you, but at the end of the day, halacha supersedes all. If you want to ostracize me for quoting halacha, then go right ahead, but you won't get very far.
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Christian hating is bad, Mmmkay?
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To be completely honest I despise Christianity and see it as a threat to the Jews just like Islam is - this is a choice between the Crusaders and the Muslims, the Soviets or the Nazis - but this is my view. Everybody here knows me and knows my views and my respectful disagreement with Chaim.
The just fight for Israel is the sole reason I'm here and the Hayamin Ha'amiti/JTF movement, whose main focus is on Israel, does an excellent job regarding it.
Ron, would you PLEASE cut that out!!!! You are doing HUGE damage to the American JTF movement by showing hatred towards a huge group of our supporters that Chaim has done an incredible job of bringing into our ranks.
This screaming was what I was referring to, by the way.
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And this example I give enrages me when I see it done to Jews, so I dont have a clue as to why some people here don't think that Christians who are our friends, won't feel the same pain and anger that we feel when Jews are subject to double standards. "Do unto others" is a maxim that some of us should be saying to ourselves everytime we post, everytime..
Those who learn the lesson from Judah the Maccabee wars and association with Rome and what was the result, those who are familir with Christian writings and theology to see how viciously anti-Semitic they are (honesty, no?), will have no problems not being friends with them the same way we don't befriend Moslems - we don't befriend enemies. So don't put the criminal as the victim and the victim as the criminal.
According to people who share my view (and there are), there's no difference between the two, morally. The Christians have their own missioary, anti-Islamic interests regarding this (sad) "alliance" and the Jews have their own (saving Israel from the Arabs and Islam, missioaries, Russian Gentiles, immoral behaviour, etc - sadly being ready to sacrifice themeselves for other nations).
I will trust a Christian who says he wants to be my friend and loves my people the same way I will trust a Muslim who says so.
Even if all above was not true - as Jews it's obvious our priority should be JEWS, because every sane person cares about his people foremost. There are double standarts in what you said because Jews and non-Jews cannot be equal in our eyes.
Well said. It's scary how far assimilation has gone. That's what I'm afraid of.
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It seems ron ben ron jeremy has had one of his mental seisures again; like father like son? It's a shame he takes his psychosises out on hardcore relevant JTF-ers like Mord.
And like I see m4l, I see you just as far below worms. Worms are relevant to the world. Your mortal spirit only pollutes it. Chaim's prayers won't protect you forever.
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After seeing firsthand what's going on in Hebron and Kiryat Arba, including the aftermath of the destruction of the home of the Federman Family and a neighboring home, I'm convinced its essential that all of us put our differences aside to help the heroic Settlers. If JTF is divided to the extent that people decide not to support this essential cause, it could be the difference in the Israeli Government being able to carry out a suicidal so called peace agreement. Like Chaim has said many times, if JTF becomes a mass movement in Israel, it will eventually do the same in the United States. G-d Bless all of JTF's supporters!
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After seeing firsthand what's going on in Hebron and Kiryat Arba, including the aftermath of the destruction of the home of the Federman Family and a neighboring home, I'm convinced its essential that all of us put our differences aside to help the heroic Settlers. If JTF is divided to the extent that people decide not to support this essential cause, it could be the difference in the Israeli Government being able to carry out a suicidal so called peace agreement. Like Chaim has said many times, if JTF becomes a mass movement in Israel, it will eventually do the same in the United States. G-d Bless all of JTF's supporters!
I agree. Now we should lock this thread before it causes further destruction.
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Oh and skinny nerd ron, I proposed to the filmmaker joost van der valk to dress up as an orthodox Jew and hand out PVV flyers in a muslim neighbourhood in Amsterdam, but he was too scared. I'd stick some up your nose though if you finally show me your ticket to the Netherlands.
Pôôôk-pôk-pôk-pôk...
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After seeing firsthand what's going on in Hebron and Kiryat Arba, including the aftermath of the destruction of the home of the Federman Family and a neighboring home, I'm convinced its essential that all of us put our differences aside to help the heroic Settlers. If JTF is divided to the extent that people decide not to support this essential cause, it could be the difference in the Israeli Government being able to carry out a suicidal so called peace agreement. Like Chaim has said many times, if JTF becomes a mass movement in Israel, it will eventually do the same in the United States. G-d Bless all of JTF's supporters!
I agree. Now we should lock this thread before it causes further destruction.
Ok, I will take Mos advice and lock this thread. I had a feeling from the outset this would happen..
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This thread was allowed to go on and on with namecalling and animosity yet my thread which sought to calm things was deleted...