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Sarah Palin Denounces Planned Koran Bonfire
http://www.facebook.com/#!/note.php?note_id=427813493434&id=24718773587
As if we really needed more proof of this kurva's true character.
Dr. Brennan Fan
Koran Burning Is Insensitive, Unnecessary; Pastor Jones, Please Stand Down
by Sarah Palin on Wednesday, September 8, 2010 at 2:13pm
Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.
I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.
Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?
- Sarah Palin
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That's silly. Why would you call her a b*tch for disgreeing with Jones. Palin is right. This act will only help Muslims. I'd would understand it if it were done by enraged people who want to retaliate for the attacks. But as a political move, it's a disaster.
The true way is to attack the enemies in a way we can unveil their evil. If Muslims protest for that, they wouldn't be seen as the bad guys by anyone.
How different it would be if we organized a solidarity rally supporting oppressed people in Muslim nations, claiming the right of women, supporting religious freedom in Arab nations and so on. That would really harm the alliance between leftists and Muslims. This show will only unite them more.
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F**k the left. They are hypocrites already. Let's see them condemn a Bible burning. And even if you agree with her here, do you think it is okay for her to lie about having been a Pat Buchanan supporter, which she likely did?
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F**k the left. They are hypocrites already. Let's see them condemn a Bible burning. And even if you agree with her here, do you think it is okay for her to lie about having been a Pat Buchanan supporter, which she likely did?
The left is hypocrite, but many people who follow it are just brainwashed. Regarding Palin, if she really supported a nazi, that's another issue. But we cannot call her a b*tch just for disagreeing with the bonfire.
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Tell me how you feel about her possibly have been a fan of Pat Buchanan, and then lying about it. Just answer that. Forget the Koran burning.
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Tell me how you feel about her possibly have been a fan of Pat Buchanan, and then lying about it. Just answer that. Forget the Koran burning.
Buchanan and everybody who has supported him should be banned from US politics. And if she lied and hid some involvement with him, she should be tried for high treason. How can an American support nazism? Isn't it against US Constitution?
I don't know if it's true. Anyway I was dissapointed when McCain chose her. I think there was a Jew to run with McCain. Had he chosen him, he'd would perhaps won the election.
McCain felt that he was seen as a weak Republican and wanted to balance with a right wing vice-president. It was a mistake because right wings would have voted for him anyway (never Obama).
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It would be a totally different ballgame if Palin is a supporter of Buchanan ys'v.
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It would be a totally different ballgame if Palin is a supporter of Buchanan ys'v.
Even if she wasn't (and I believe her denial less and less each day), this would be plenty bad all by itself.
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insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like
Killing 3000 people in the WTC attack?
That's silly. Why would you call her a b*tch for disgreeing with Jones.
Maybe DBF is calling her one because she is one.
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Maybe DBF is calling her one because she is one.
Thanks.
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That's silly. Why would you call her a b*tch for disgreeing with Jones. Palin is right. This act will only help Muslims. I'd would understand it if it were done by enraged people who want to retaliate for the attacks. But as a political move, it's a disaster.
The true way is to attack the enemies in a way we can unveil their evil. If Muslims protest for that, they wouldn't be seen as the bad guys by anyone.
How different it would be if we organized a solidarity rally supporting oppressed people in Muslim nations, claiming the right of women, supporting religious freedom in Arab nations and so on. That would really harm the alliance between leftists and Muslims. This show will only unite them more.
I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!
Having a Quaran book burn will hurt the cause. Not help it.
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I never see muslims condemning terrorist murders.
To the contrary: They celebrate it.
If only I could get my hands on a free copy...
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Maybe DBF is calling her one because she is one.
Thanks.
You're welcome. I really resent how she lied so much when she was campaigning, about being pro-Israel and pro-life, and anti-terrorist.
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A better protest is to build a pork shop next to a mosque
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A better protest is to build a pork shop next to a mosque
:::D Great point!
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A better protest would have been a "Use The Koran As Toilet Paper" day than burning it.
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Obama's chiming in has no resonance because his speech in Cairo ,Turkey his bowing deeply to the Saudi king and his telling NASA it's biggest task it's to reach out to qurananimals
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/quran_burning_obama
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I knew Palin was a phony from the moment I heard her says she supports Bush's ridiculous premise of invading Iraq and Afghanistan to turn them into democracies.
As for the Koran burning, it just goes to show that Muslims are insanely violent, but unfortunately it also shows that such insane violence WORKS, because even people on here at JTF are intimidated by the Muslims and want to cave in.
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A better protest would have been a "Use The Koran As Toilet Paper" day than burning it.
You can do that in a library.
Take a piece of shetpaper koran to the toilet, take a dump, and use your cellphone to tape how you tear pages out of the koran and dump them fully loaded in the toilet.
Upload it on truthtube; presto.
Sooner or later you will have to wipe your hiney. From now on you can do it with a cause.
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I knew Palin was a phony from the moment I heard her says she supports Bush's ridiculous premise of invading Iraq and Afghanistan to turn them into democracies.
As for the Koran burning, it just goes to show that Muslims are insanely violent, but unfortunately it also shows that such insane violence WORKS, because even people on here at JTF are intimidated by the Muslims and want to cave in.
And yet the media is outright legitimizing their violence by saying the koran burning is a provocation. That it will cause al Qaeda to get more recuits. Really, if some muslim out there is angry enough to murder people because the koran gets burnt, he's a savage inhuman animal who is better off dead anyways. I'm a Christian. If I saw someone burning the Bible I might flip him off or call him an [censored], but I wouldn't even think of killing that person. But then agan Christians/Jews are human beings who don't react like animal savages when someone "threatens" their religion.
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Muslimices burn the Israeli flags and no voice of protest erupts.
It is true that only diamond cuts the corundum and it is also true that corundum has no right to protest because it has already cut many others.
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I find that the way muslims "convert" Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the holy scriptures is more offensive than if they just burned the texts.
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I find that the way muslims "convert" Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the holy scriptures is more offensive than if they just burned the texts.
Yeah how they were all supposedly muslims thousands of years before Mohammad founded that satanic religion. Evil people always try to steal the history of others who achieved more than them.
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A better protest is to build a pork shop next to a mosque
:::D Great point!
I had a dream me and muman were gathering funds to do this
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The pastor chickened out.
He is not going through with it.
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What is the big deal with some guy wanting to burn some filthy book?
Them filthy muslims burn live infidels all the time. Where's the outrage over tortured and murdered infidels?
They don't just burn books, they burn humans.
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What is the big deal with some guy wanting to burn some filthy book?
Them filthy muslims burn live infidels all the time. Where's the outrage over tortured and murdered infidels?
They don't just burn books, they burn humans.
Good point :)
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A better protest is to build a pork shop next to a mosque
No. Not pork. Better a bar selling alcohol and a disco. Pork is very dangerous. If Muslims happened to cause any harm protesting against pork, then many ignorant athiests would attack Judaism also, claiming that those who reject pork are fundamentalists. At least here, when I aimed to convert to Judaism, many ignorants took me for a Muslim for avoiding pork. It would be backfire!
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Unbelieveable, We are allowing these Islamists to dominate our lives and soon our freedom by appeasement.
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That's silly. Why would you call her a b*tch for disgreeing with Jones. Palin is right. This act will only help Muslims. I'd would understand it if it were done by enraged people who want to retaliate for the attacks. But as a political move, it's a disaster.
The true way is to attack the enemies in a way we can unveil their evil. If Muslims protest for that, they wouldn't be seen as the bad guys by anyone.
How different it would be if we organized a solidarity rally supporting oppressed people in Muslim nations, claiming the right of women, supporting religious freedom in Arab nations and so on. That would really harm the alliance between leftists and Muslims. This show will only unite them more.
I agree it only emboldens them. Our goal is to make them less harmful to people, not pull some stupid 5th grade stunt like Koran burning.
The pastor is nothing more than a bufoon and media whore who has very little followers. If he wanted to truly burn the Krapran he would have done so WITHOUT media attention.
I have zero respect for this clown and Imam he had a photo-op with
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F**k the left. They are hypocrites already. Let's see them condemn a Bible burning. And even if you agree with her here, do you think it is okay for her to lie about having been a Pat Buchanan supporter, which she likely did?
In your opinion. Hardly something to condemn someone for. Not to mention that no politician of any stripe is going to support burning Qurans. I don't even think it is a good idea, not because I am fond of Islam, the only result I see coming from it is encouraging the enemy.
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F**k the left. They are hypocrites already. Let's see them condemn a Bible burning. And even if you agree with her here, do you think it is okay for her to lie about having been a Pat Buchanan supporter, which she likely did?
In your opinion. Hardly something to condemn someone for. Not to mention that no politician of any stripe is going to support burning Qurans. I don't even think it is a good idea, not because I am fond of Islam, the only result I see coming from it is encouraging the enemy.
I actually think this Pastor is playing into the hands of the muslims by coming up with this Koran burning idea... It raised a large controversy but it seems that the Pastor got the worse end of the stick with it.
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She didn't need to condemn it. Or, she could have asked why the left is more upset about a Koran burning than actual mass murders that Muslims perpetrate all over the world.
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I was a fanatic, a paranoid and an extremist to oppose her from the beginning, wasn't I? ::)
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I was a fanatic, a paranoid and an extremist to oppose her from the beginning, wasn't I? ::)
I think I admitted several times that we on the right were too quick to embrace her and believe her denial of what Pat Buchanan said.
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DBF, knowing how bright you are and the amount of time you spend on learning, I'm very surprised that you are giving mega Nazi Pat Buchanan's words credibility. A main component of Nazism is lying.
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Maybe DBF is calling her one because she is one.
Thanks.
You're welcome. I really resent how she lied so much when she was campaigning, about being pro-Israel and pro-life, and anti-terrorist.
Rubystars, with all due respect, what has Sarah Palin said since the end of the 2008 election that isn't pro-Israel?
Also , Sarah Palin said during the 2008 campaign or earlier that Abortion should be a states’ issue, not federal mandate.
Considering MANY people on the right came out against the burning of the Koran, if Sarah Palin is going to be ripped, they should all be ripped as well.
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I was a fanatic, a paranoid and an extremist to oppose her from the beginning, wasn't I? ::)
I think I admitted several times that we on the right were too quick to embrace her and believe her denial of what Pat Buchanan said.
Forget Pukanan.
She defends one of the most evil books ever written, one that was used as a model for Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.
It says everything about that two-faced whore.
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Considering MANY people on the right came out against the burning of the Koran, if Sarah Palin is going to be ripped, they should all be ripped as well.
Then they are not truly on the right.
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I was a fanatic, a paranoid and an extremist to oppose her from the beginning, wasn't I? ::)
I think I admitted several times that we on the right were too quick to embrace her and believe her denial of what Pat Buchanan said.
Forget Pukanan.
She defends one of the most evil books ever written, one that was used as a model for Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.
It says everything about that two-faced whore.
What did Sarah Palin say that's really different than the concerns that some people in this thread express? While you might see this as a black and white ( clear as day issue ), not everyone agrees.
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Considering MANY people on the right came out against the burning of the Koran, if Sarah Palin is going to be ripped, they should all be ripped as well.
Then they are not truly on the right.
Even one of the people who Chaim endorsed in an upcoming primary came out against the burning of the Koran. You can read the entire transcript. I'll just the highlights that directly relate to this discussion:
http://www.livedash.com/transcript/hannity/5202/FNC/Friday_September_10_2010/294758/
00:16:05 He's a republican candidate for new york's 5th congressional district challenging congressman ackerman james milano.
00:25:26 Big issue in new york.
00:25:27 What is the reaction in your district?
00:25:29 >> I don't believe you should burn the qur'an.
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The problem is that virtually noone supports the Koran Burning. At least not publically. For true conservatives we really need to take their condemnation with a grain of salt since it is political suicide. I'm not saying they should cave in, but a righteous candidate is futile without the slightest chance of winning. What is important is that the bad book gets burned. This is something I plan to do personally.
It sure will be weird to buy bacon for the first time since some time in the 90s. I'm not planning to bring it into my house, but will have to transport in in my car. I'm not sure what precatiouns I'm going to have to take to prevent it from traifing my car. Any thoughts?
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Maybe DBF is calling her one because she is one.
Thanks.
You're welcome. I really resent how she lied so much when she was campaigning, about being pro-Israel and pro-life, and anti-terrorist.
Rubystars, with all due respect, what has Sarah Palin said since the end of the 2008 election that isn't pro-Israel?
Even during the campaign, her true colors began to show through, and they've become even more apparent after that. She believes in the two state final solution.
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As much as the muslims deserve their so-called religious text to be burned, this is not the way to defeat them. I'm indifferent about it. Anything that sends a message to Muslims that "You don't belong here" is good, but then again, this is sort of a cheap way of doing that.
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Maybe DBF is calling her one because she is one.
Thanks.
You're welcome. I really resent how she lied so much when she was campaigning, about being pro-Israel and pro-life, and anti-terrorist.
Rubystars, with all due respect, what has Sarah Palin said since the end of the 2008 election that isn't pro-Israel?
Even during the campaign, her true colors began to show through, and they've become even more apparent after that. She believes in the two state final solution.
She shouldn't have made the comment in the debate. But she expressly said it as the McCain/ Palin administration's position.
In November 2009, Sarah Palin said the Jewish Settlements should expand. That doesn't sound like someone who believes in a two-state solution. None of us combined could probably name 5 Presidential Candidates who ever made a similar statement.
If she runs for President, that's when we will probably find out for sure what her position is. Unless proven otherwise, I'm giving Sarah Palin the benefit of the doubt. Having said that, I respect the position of those who don't want to support her. Yet, I don't think its in JTF's best interest for growth for Sarah Palin to be attacked consistently like the left and to a lesser extent the moderate wing of the Republican Party do. Plenty of potential JTFers support Sarah Palin.
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As much as the muslims deserve their so-called religious text to be burned, this is not the way to defeat them. I'm indifferent about it. Anything that sends a message to Muslims that "You don't belong here" is good, but then again, this is sort of a cheap way of doing that.
You provide a great illustration of their being different ways to look at this issue. I'm not sure what the best solution is. There's risk with either approach.
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well i agree, we shouldnt burn the koran as it will only help muslims and the only thing it will do is get them to throw a tantrum.
and yes it too pisses me off that if someone organized a "burn the bible" day then the media wouldn't care.
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and yes it too pisses me off that if someone organized a "burn the bible" day then the media wouldn't care.
This I certainly agree with. The exception being the new media ( Fox and most of Talk Radio come to mind. ).
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1. No one forced Sarah Palin to make this statement. As far as I know, she was not even asked about this. She voluntarily decided to condemn burning the Koran, with a statement that implies that the Koran is a book that we have to respect.
2. Sarah Palin has clearly endorsed the creation of an independent "Palestine" state in the heartland of Biblical Israel, which would be national suicide for the tiny Jewish state. Mike Huckabee, on the other hand, is the only major Presidential candidate who has said that he is against any Israeli surrender of land.
3. Sarah Palin has endorsed the most leftwing traitor candidates in numerous Republican primaries. In New Hampshire's U.S. Senate race, she supports a leftwing establishment candidate against the conservative insurgent. In Georgia's race for governor, she picked the most leftwing candidate running. The same thing in Iowa, California, South Carolina and other states. Mike Huckabee has so far endorsed only the most conservative candidates in all of these Republican primaries.
4. Sarah Palin endorsed the Nazi Jew-hater Rand Paul in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate in Kentucky.
5. Sarah Palin supports giving eventual citizenship to 30 million illegal aliens.
6. In my opinion, Sarah Palin has not only betrayed conservative principles, she is not smart enough or tough enough to be President of the United States. She quit in the middle of her first term as governor of Alaska, a state with a tiny population, because she could not cope with the pressures of the office.
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Sarah Palin supports a leftist in New Hampshire who said that she would have voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. The leftist is Kelly Ayotte. This is one of many examples of Palin backing the worst RINOS in the primaries.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_el_se/us_new_hampshire_senate
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Chaim, at this time I'm not sure what lead to Sarah Palin making her statement against the burning of the Koran ( I agree that the info shouldn't have been volunteered and anyone who did volunteer the info made a mistake. )
Yet, the same can be applied to the following people. Keep in mind that the context of the article is clearly heavily slanted towards the left:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/10/quran_buring_hate_speech
Don’t get me wrong: When even Alan Keyes thinks you’ve crossed the line, that means that the actual line is about two or three time zones behind you. But that’s rather the point. Jones is so extreme -- so outlandishly, cartoonishly vile -- that Keyes, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Pamela Geller and the rest of the armchair holy warriors can condemn his intolerance in the same breath that they echo thinly veiled versions of his sentiments.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/08/palin-romney-denounce-koran-burning/
Glenn Beck’s against it too, of course. The grand irony of this crank pastor’s publicity stunt is that he’s trying to force the public to confront a difficult issue — when, if ever, is it appropriate to offend Muslims? — but doing it in such a grotesque, notoriously fascist manner that he’s guaranteed a united front against him among pols and pundits. Denouncing a book-burning is as easy a litmus test for decency as it gets in American politics. So here’s Mitt, for the record:
“Burning the Quran is wrong on every level,” the former Massachusetts governor said in a statement to POLITICO. “It puts troops in danger, and it violates a founding principle of our republic.”…
While Romney was critical of the idea, he did not line up with those who have suggested that Jones should not be permitted to carry out his plan.
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Chaim, don't forget that we have significant reason to question what her relationship with Buchanan was really like.
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Just to clarify, I certainly am not on the Palin bandwagon, but I was commenting on the koran burning subject in general. She's irrelevant to me (like most of these phonies).
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Eb22, excuses can be made for the worst of all politicians and the worst of all deeds. Palin is just plain stupid, a fraud and a bad liar.
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Eb22, excuses can be made for the worst of all politicians and the worst of all deeds. Palin is just plain stupid, a fraud and a bad liar.
Ron, in my opinion there's a misperception about Sarah Palin by many. I don't think she's a fraud or a bad liar ( I also think she's MUCH more intelligent than given credit for ). Last year, she wrote a book about her life called, "Going Rogue". Basically, this implies that Sarah Palin doesn't do things conventionally. She's going to make choices that even her own base are going to question. Her endorsements in the 2010 primaries ranged widely on the political spectrum. A number of them weren't my choices. This goes with the territory with Sarah Palin. People who thought she would endorse Conservatives across the board didn't account for her being a Rogue.
From my perspective, I'm looking at the overall picture and what the viable options are for the 2012 Presidential Election. Once I hear one or more of the debates ( I have no idea who will ultimately run. It's all speculation. ), then I'll determine whether to continue to go in the current direction or change course.
Having said this, I completely understand and respect why you, Chaim, DBF, Paulette, RubyStars, Confederate Kahanist, and many other JTFers don't want to support her. Yet, keep in mind, there are around 5 to 7 hard core JTF members including myself who do support Sarah Palin. More importantly, like I said last night or early this morning, there are many potential JTF members who are Sarah Palin supporters. While the current JTF members who support Sarah Palin understand the bigger picture that overrides any specific election ( I saw it first hand in Kiryat Arba and Hebron back in June ), potential members or new members in the majority to vast majority of cases don't have the necessary exposure on the key issues in Israel that JTF provides. By all means, continue to criticize Sarah Palin when you believe its warranted. However, I think it would be a mistake for people to continue to hammer it home on a consistent basis.
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1. No one forced Sarah Palin to make this statement. As far as I know, she was not even asked about this. She voluntarily decided to condemn burning the Koran, with a statement that implies that the Koran is a book that we have to respect.
2. Sarah Palin has clearly endorsed the creation of an independent "Palestine" state in the heartland of Biblical Israel, which would be national suicide for the tiny Jewish state. Mike Huckabee, on the other hand, is the only major Presidential candidate who has said that he is against any Israeli surrender of land.
3. Sarah Palin has endorsed the most leftwing traitor candidates in numerous Republican primaries. In New Hampshire's U.S. Senate race, she supports a leftwing establishment candidate against the conservative insurgent. In Georgia's race for governor, she picked the most leftwing candidate running. The same thing in Iowa, California, South Carolina and other states. Mike Huckabee has so far endorsed only the most conservative candidates in all of these Republican primaries.
4. Sarah Palin endorsed the Nazi Jew-hater Rand Paul in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate in Kentucky.
5. Sarah Palin supports giving eventual citizenship to 30 million illegal aliens.
6. In my opinion, Sarah Palin has not only betrayed conservative principles, she is not smart enough or tough enough to be President of the United States. She quit in the middle of her first term as governor of Alaska, a state with a tiny population, because she could not cope with the pressures of the office.
To me, I just think Sarah is simply inept. Thats all. She does NOT have the abillity to be a high-impact leader. However, DBF's strategy of saying she is a Jew-hater is annoying and absurd, and its going to turn people off to the the JTF. If we come accross as a groups that will knee-jerkingly label everyone except .001% of the population as antisemites, it will be very hard to get righteous, and some Jewish support.
Palin supports a 2-state solution because she, like 95% of politicians in the USA and Israel, is STUPID!!!!!! Being stupid and being a Jew-hater arent mutually exclusive, but they arent inclusive either.
While I have no probelm with Dr. Brenan's Fan not thinking she is incompetent and stupid and too much of a RINO(I agree on all 3).
DBF's smear campagin of associating her with Buchanan is TOTALLY the wrong way to go about this, because its based upon hearesay and assumptions. Lets just label her a Rino like her running mate, and incompetant, and leave it at that.
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DBF's smear campagin of associating her with Buchanan is TOTALLY the wrong way to go about this, because its based upon hearesay and assumptions. Lets just label her a Rino like her running mate, and incompetant, and leave it at that.
What? I have every right to point out that we were way too quick to believe her and call Buchanan a liar. Buchanan made a very specific claim about her and Todd (that they were at a fundraiser for her in 1996) and if he was lying they could sue his tuchis off for it. He may be a Nazi but I don't think he is that stupid.
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DBF's smear campagin of associating her with Buchanan is TOTALLY the wrong way to go about this, because its based upon hearesay and assumptions. Lets just label her a Rino like her running mate, and incompetant, and leave it at that.
What? I have every right to point out that we were way too quick to believe her and call Buchanan a liar. Buchanan made a very specific claim about her and Todd (that they were at a fundraiser for her in 1996) and if he was lying they could sue his tuchis off for it. He may be a Nazi but I don't think he is that stupid.
This close to 9/11 Sarah Palin should realize that there are things a LITTLE more sacred than the Quran that we need to defend--like the lives of innocent people who are victims of Quranic teachings. If a pastor wanted to burn Mein Kampf she wouldn't give a rat's rump.
I wish the pastors burned the Koran, Mein Kampf, and the Communist Manifesto together. I think it would carry a more powerful message.
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DBF's smear campagin of associating her with Buchanan is TOTALLY the wrong way to go about this, because its based upon hearesay and assumptions. Lets just label her a Rino like her running mate, and incompetant, and leave it at that.
What? I have every right to point out that we were way too quick to believe her and call Buchanan a liar. Buchanan made a very specific claim about her and Todd (that they were at a fundraiser for her in 1996) and if he was lying they could sue his tuchis off for it. He may be a Nazi but I don't think he is that stupid.
You are not seeing the big picture. You are fixating on her being a Jew-hater... when you are NEVER gonna convince anyone of this board, based upon OVERHWELMING evidence that she is not. And people will miss the more obvious points, that she is in fact incompetant, and a Rino (Which Chaim has been trying to stress).
Just to prove my point. I bet you I can take ANY well-known GOP politician that YOU support and that has been around for over 10 years, and somewhere find a relationship between that either Buchanan, or Ron Paul. Give me a politician (has to be well-known, and American), and I will try to prove my point.
Oh, and by the way, many members here, (MYSELF INCLUDED) were Ron Paul supporters before Chaim and others pointed out Ron's horrific Jew-hating past, and his open border-policies. I Admit, I was ignorant.... wouldnt be surprised if Sarah was too.
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Brian, I never said she is an actual Jew-hater. I do think that all of her claims to support Israel were phony though.
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Brian, I never said she is an actual Jew-hater. I do think that all of her claims to support Israel were phony though.
Why back down?
We agree that she's a Nazi for defending the most Nazi book on earth.
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Eb22, excuses can be made for the worst of all politicians and the worst of all deeds. Palin is just plain stupid, a fraud and a bad liar.
Ron, in my opinion there's a misperception about Sarah Palin by many. I don't think she's a fraud or a bad liar ( I also think she's MUCH more intelligent than given credit for ). Last year, she wrote a book about her life called, "Going Rogue". Basically, this implies that Sarah Palin doesn't do things conventionally. She's going to make choices that even her own base are going to question. Her endorsements in the 2010 primaries ranged widely on the political spectrum. A number of them weren't my choices. This goes with the territory with Sarah Palin. People who thought she would endorse Conservatives across the board didn't account for her being a Rogue.
From my perspective, I'm looking at the overall picture and what the viable options are for the 2012 Presidential Election. Once I hear one or more of the debates ( I have no idea who will ultimately run. It's all speculation. ), then I'll determine whether to continue to go in the current direction or change course.
Having said this, I completely understand and respect why you, Chaim, DBF, Paulette, RubyStars, Confederate Kahanist, and many other JTFers don't want to support her. Yet, keep in mind, there are around 5 to 7 hard core JTF members including myself who do support Sarah Palin. More importantly, like I said last night or early this morning, there are many potential JTF members who are Sarah Palin supporters. While the current JTF members who support Sarah Palin understand the bigger picture that overrides any specific election ( I saw it first hand in Kiryat Arba and Hebron back in June ), potential members or new members in the majority to vast majority of cases don't have the necessary exposure on the key issues in Israel that JTF provides. By all means, continue to criticize Sarah Palin when you believe its warranted. However, I think it would be a mistake for people to continue to hammer it home on a consistent basis.
No one forced her to join the side of the Muslims and the Communists by defending their "holy" book.
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Brian, I never said she is an actual Jew-hater. I do think that all of her claims to support Israel were phony though.
Why back down?
We agree that she's a Nazi for defending the most Nazi book on earth.
Not everyone holds the same premises that you do, specifically regarding to the Quran being a Nazi book. It would be better to explain people your line of thought regarding the Quran than labeling everyone who "defends" it a Nazi.
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Not everyone holds the same premises that you do, specifically regarding to the Quran being a Nazi book.
WTF?
It would be better to explain people your line of thought regarding the Quran than labeling everyone who "defends" it a Nazi.
This is my line of thought ---
Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.
I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.
Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?
Smearing the idea of burning this Nazi book called alQur'an, in the name of American ideas and Xtianity, and even daring to use the Golden Rule as a hatchet to dig with, is defending it and ignoring the evils this book has done to Jews and the rest of humanity (why it deserves to be burnt).
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A better protest is to build a pork shop next to a mosque
No. Not pork. Better a bar selling alcohol and a disco. Pork is very dangerous. If Muslims happened to cause any harm protesting against pork, then many ignorant athiests would attack Judaism also, claiming that those who reject pork are fundamentalists. At least here, when I aimed to convert to Judaism, many ignorants took me for a Muslim for avoiding pork. It would be backfire!
Why should we care what atheists think? I still say pork/lard
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Muslims don't believe in the golden rule. Their golden rule is them doing whatever they want to others while others can do nothing to them.
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Ron, how many people actually understand the true Nazi nature of the Quran ? I think most people don't. And that include pretty much everyone I know in Israel. So many such people who object to the burning of the book don't make an equal case of it to "Mein Kampf". It is not that they are Nazis, but they just don't understand fully what the Quran is all about.
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Sarah Palin Nazi jew hater? I don't think so.
Pro-Israel? Well, maybe not to us, but she's not an Israel hater. She simply takes the side of the popular "right" that is the politically correct right wing that thinks a Fakestinian state is legitimate.
Sarah Palin: Ignorant and unqualified to be anything. Politically correct like almost all of the elected politicians. She's not truly right wing.
BUt if it were her vs Obama or some true Nazi/Israel hater Muslim lover, I would choose Sarah Palin while holding my nose.
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Any politician who took the initiative to come out, unprovoked, against the B.B.Q.uran burning shows what a bumbling bozo they are.
The correct thing to do is to publicly identify the many verses of the Quran which should be destroyed [eg, chapter 9, esp sira 29.] [add to this the corresponding Hadith and Suras which form the existing Sharia laws in the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence]. One does not need to defend or support the B.B.Q.uran event, but one should point out the tangible reasons for its origin if asked about it [something Geller could have done a better job of].
"What exactly is going to be burnt?"
"A book."
"What is in the book?"
"Instructions for violence, instructions for maximalist dictatorship, hateful rambling, and some poems."
Another correct thing to point out is the threats and acts of violence committed by Muslims at the mere thought of a book burning over the actual book burning. A group of 60 people using their free speech set off how many Muslims? -- A cartoon of Mohamed sets off how many Muslims? A South Park episode of Mohamed in a bear costume which got censored brought about the Times Square bombing.
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Quite simply put, I would say that there are better and more strategic ways to protest against Islam and that book burning may not be the best choice...that is if I had to be politically correct about it.
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Palin is not a Buchanan Supporting Nazi as you say she is and to make a second point. Nobody who wants to get elected wouldn't condemn it because they have to look tolerant.
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Ron, how many people actually understand the true Nazi nature of the Quran ? I think most people don't. And that include pretty much everyone I know in Israel. So many such people who object to the burning of the book don't make an equal case of it to "Mein Kampf". It is not that they are Nazis, but they just don't understand fully what the Quran is all about.
Would you judge so favorably a defeatist coward Leftist leader who would oppose smearing Hitler and Nazi Germany before the Holocaust?
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Ron, how many people actually understand the true Nazi nature of the Quran ? I think most people don't. And that include pretty much everyone I know in Israel. So many such people who object to the burning of the book don't make an equal case of it to "Mein Kampf". It is not that they are Nazis, but they just don't understand fully what the Quran is all about.
Would you judge so favorably a defeatist coward Leftist leader who would oppose smearing Hitler and Nazi Germany before the Holocaust?
No.
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Ron, how many people actually understand the true Nazi nature of the Quran ? I think most people don't. And that include pretty much everyone I know in Israel. So many such people who object to the burning of the book don't make an equal case of it to "Mein Kampf". It is not that they are Nazis, but they just don't understand fully what the Quran is all about.
Would you judge so favorably a defeatist coward Leftist leader who would oppose smearing Hitler and Nazi Germany before the Holocaust?
No.
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I want to see Korans burned.
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Why back down?
We agree that she's a Nazi for defending the most Nazi book on earth.
I am not backing down. I don't know if she is a genuine anti-Semite. I just think she is a political whore who supports anyone who she thinks will help her get power and that's bad enough. That was my position all along.
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1. No one forced Sarah Palin to make this statement. As far as I know, she was not even asked about this. She voluntarily decided to condemn burning the Koran, with a statement that implies that the Koran is a book that we have to respect.
2. Sarah Palin has clearly endorsed the creation of an independent "Palestine" state in the heartland of Biblical Israel, which would be national suicide for the tiny Jewish state. Mike Huckabee, on the other hand, is the only major Presidential candidate who has said that he is against any Israeli surrender of land.
3. Sarah Palin has endorsed the most leftwing traitor candidates in numerous Republican primaries. In New Hampshire's U.S. Senate race, she supports a leftwing establishment candidate against the conservative insurgent. In Georgia's race for governor, she picked the most leftwing candidate running. The same thing in Iowa, California, South Carolina and other states. Mike Huckabee has so far endorsed only the most conservative candidates in all of these Republican primaries.
4. Sarah Palin endorsed the Nazi Jew-hater Rand Paul in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate in Kentucky.
5. Sarah Palin supports giving eventual citizenship to 30 million illegal aliens.
6. In my opinion, Sarah Palin has not only betrayed conservative principles, she is not smart enough or tough enough to be President of the United States. She quit in the middle of her first term as governor of Alaska, a state with a tiny population, because she could not cope with the pressures of the office.
There's only one possible alternative to Huckabee and that would be Jim Demint. He's one of the most humble people in the Senate.
Demint endorsed conservative candidates despite the criticism he gets from the GOP establishment. Some of them recently bashed him to the media.
Demint only endorsed Rand Paul, reluctantly right before the Kentucky primary. He stated that he disagrees with him on issues.
Demint definitely opposes Ron Paul on issues.
I think Huckabee has a lot of supporters. However, Coulter and Limbaugh don't like him and they'll try to convince people not to support him.
Huckabee has actually been one of the biggest supporters of the Tea Party groups since they formed.
The people who voted in the VA Straw poll don't know what they're doing and voted based on misinformation.
About Palin...She deserves some credit for being one of the few politicians to oppose the Mosque. She received a lot of criticism from Bloomberg and the media. Her and Gingrich helped make it into a national issue when the media went crazy over how the two of them oppose it.
Whatever you think about Palin and Gingrich, I think that Romney, Pawlenty and many of the names being mentioned as possible 2012 candidates are worse.
One more thing about Huckabee...He still needs to be convinced to oppose amnesty. One of Coulter's criticisms of Huckabee is accurate.
Huckabee says that the children of illegals shouldn't be penalized for the crimes of their parents. Huckabee needs to understand that the parents could take their children back with them.
The parents try to use their children as a way to get amnesty.
They argue: "You can't deport children" and then they argue that if they themselves get deported, families would be separated.
So far Huckabee doesn't understand that the parents could take their children with them.
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I knew that Palin was a FAKE.
Who gives a damn if the STUPID koran gets burned. IT IS NOT A RELIGIOUS BOOK OF LOVE or anything positive, she is un-educated, and an appeasing 2-state for AZ and Israel jerk.
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She wants a 2/state for Israel, that means that she would be OK with the ILLEGALS here.
Bad for America.
WE NEED A STRONG MAN that is godly.
Demint, I agree RT110