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So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
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I go to a spot [Kosher] called, "Jerusalem Pizza", here in the SFV; so yes pizza can be Kosher. It has Kashrut certification. The risk you run into when eating a pizza, even if its all parve ingredients, is that it is most likely baked in an oven which meat is also baked in, or is at least prepared on a surface which meat has been on [in either case it is very possible for a drop of meat oil or tiny bit of meat to get mixed in]. There is also the possibility that the sauce on a pizza may be a meat sauce.
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I go to a spot [Kosher] called, "Jerusalem Pizza", here in the SFV; so yes pizza can be Kosher. It has Kashrut certification. The risk you run into when eating a pizza, even if its all parve ingredients, is that it is most likely baked in an oven which meat is also baked in, or is at least prepared on a surface which meat has been on [in either case it is very possible for a drop of meat oil or tiny bit of meat to get mixed in]. There is also the possibility that the sauce on a pizza may be a meat sauce.
Chaim said once in some of his past tv shows, he said that most of the employees in Jerusalem II were Arab. How can a so-called Kosher restaurant employ enemies of the Jewish people???
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I go to a spot [Kosher] called, "Jerusalem Pizza", here in the SFV; so yes pizza can be Kosher. It has Kashrut certification. The risk you run into when eating a pizza, even if its all parve ingredients, is that it is most likely baked in an oven which meat is also baked in, or is at least prepared on a surface which meat has been on [in either case it is very possible for a drop of meat oil or tiny bit of meat to get mixed in]. There is also the possibility that the sauce on a pizza may be a meat sauce.
Chaim said once in some of his past tv shows, he said that most of the employees in Jerusalem II were Arab. How can a so-called Kosher restaurant employ enemies of the Jewish people???
That is a great point. Arabs should not be employed in Kosher businesses.
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So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
Oy Vey!!! Since when are Jews relying on the ingredients list to see if something is kosher or not? Unlees you prepare it yourself, you must assume that any food is NOT Kosher if it has no Ortodox Rabbinical Certification.
BTW, Gentiles' cheese is generally forbidden to Jews because it might have renet, and in most communities, simply because the cow was not milked by a Jew, so it's not Cholov Yisroel.
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So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
There is indeed kosher pizza and many kosher pizza restaurants all over Israel and I'm sure in nyc too.
The problem is that in a pizza place that is not a kosher pizza place, they are cooking the pizza with meat on it, with sausage, pork, etc all in the same oven as the pizza with just cheese.
The secondary problem is that a lot of times you don't know if the cheese is kosher either unless you can somehow track down the ingredients and make sure there is no rennet in it.
Certainly, you should avoid having pizza with any meat on it. Don't eat that.
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So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
Oy Vey!!! Since when are Jews relying on the ingredients list to see if something is kosher or not?
Since the Talmudic times perhaps?
If you go to Rav Abadi's website kashrut.org and post up the ingredients of a packaged food that doesn't have a hechsher, they will tell you if it's kosher or not based on the ingredients. Now, it's true there may be a big difference with a "fast food" type of situation where it's not a packaged food with a label of ingredients. Sure. He can't just assume pizza like that is kosher because they are definitely cooking meat in the oven with it. But for a packaged food, what you said is simply not true. No offense, but you really don't know what you're talking about.
Unlees you prepare it yourself, you must assume that any food is NOT Kosher if it has no Ortodox Rabbinical Certification.
Again, this is not true, however I agree if you're saying he shouldn't eat the pizza from the non-kosher place - that would indeed be mistaken. But otherwise there can be kosher foods that don't have certification. A person should go to kashrut.org and ask the Rabbi Abadi and his sons if they are not sure, to confirm whether or not the food in question is kosher. Rav Abadi was the renown posek of Lakewood for some time and has an expertise in kashrut for american Jews.
BTW, Gentiles' cheese is generally forbidden to Jews because it might have renet, and in most communities, simply because the cow was not milked by a Jew, so it's not Cholov Yisroel.
2 different issues.
Rennet is from the cow's intestine. So it's combining meat and dairy (I guess).
Cholov Yisrael is a stringency that not all Orthodox Jews keep and is not mandatory for an American Jew to hold by. If a Jew has milk or cheese that is not cholov yisrael, it can still be kosher even if he's not keeping that higher standard. There's a big difference between something actually being not kosher vs. not adhering to the highest level of stringency.
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Kahane BT, since when is a Jew allowed to go and eat in a non-kosher restaurant? What is that you are saying?
For a pizza or any other meal to be allowed, you must either do it yourself, or buy it kosher certified and cook it at home ( in both cases being carefull to make it and cook without mixing cheese and meat utensills), or you can go and eat it in a kosher restaurant with rabbinical certification.
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Kahane BT, since when is a Jew allowed to go and eat in a non-kosher restaurant? What is that you are saying?
Did I say that ? No.
Read my posts, please. Don't just react emotionally.
For a pizza or any other meal to be allowed, you must either do it yourself, or buy it kosher certified and cook it at home
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What more can I say?
Not all packaged products need a kosher certification. Sorry if you've been misled by all the politics.
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http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=12239
The rabbi's response:
"We rethought about it and we are continuing to stay on the path of the Tanaim of the Gemara.
However thanks for your concern for K'lal Yisroel."
CYA
But like I said read my posts again, there are many problems with the nonkosher pizza place - I'm not an expert but I don't think he should eat there. At very least he definitely shouldn't eat any pizza with meat on it!
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But as you can see, when the product contains cheese (this is alluded to by the questioner's comment), they caution against eating it without certification - because that brings in the rennet problem to the equation. Cheese has the particular need for certification, and meat also has such a need because the animal had to be shechted properly etc.
But when there are not cheese or meat products in the ingredients, it can be judged based on ingredients - or to be cautious, one can post the product and ingredient list on that site and find out for sure.
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Not all packaged products need a kosher certification. Sorry if you've been misled by all the politics.
True, not all. But most of'em.
And where did you say that a Jew can go to a non-kosher restaurant? Here.
Certainly, you should avoid having pizza with any meat on it. Don't eat that.
If the pizza is certified or you know that the meat is kosher(for example if you did it at home with kosher meat) and has no cheese or other types of dairy, that would not be a problem. But if eaten in a non-kosher restaurant, even if you see no meat on it, that's forbidden. But you seem to imply that seeing no meat is enough.
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And where did you say that a Jew can go to a non-kosher restaurant? Here.
Certainly, you should avoid having pizza with any meat on it. Don't eat that.
And where does it say in that quote he can go to a non-kosher restaurant?
However, now that you bring it up, my rabbi does allow that. I am permitted to go to a non kosher restaurant and sit with my family and have conversation and not eat any non-kosher foods.. In fact, there are certain foods which one can eat in such a situation, but it requires a knowledge of the halachot and it isn't many things obviously.
But, I never mentioned anything about this. Until just now.
I simply wanted to give a big warning against eating pizza with meat on it, which I'm sure he can appreciate and will probably act on - he seems genuinely interested to keep some modicum of kashruth.
If the pizza is certified or you know that the meat is kosher(for example if you did it at home with kosher meat) and has no cheese or other types of dairy, that would not be a problem. But if eaten in a non-kosher restaurant, even if you see no meat on it, that's forbidden.
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It's forbidden for other reasons having to do with the food itself, NOT because of what location it's in.
But you seem to imply
No, you seem to be imagining things.
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And what about keli akkum? I was taught that one must avoid even dring water from a Gentile's cup if one is Jewish, since the cup obviously has no Tevilah.
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And what about keli akkum? I was taught that one must avoid even dring water from a Gentile's cup if one is Jewish, since the cup obviously has no Tevilah.
That sounds pretty nuts... Although I admit I don't know for sure if that's incorrect or not. But just going by instinct, wow. Something doesn't add up there, but let me ask this way: Under a regular circumstance (ie a Jew owning a pot, or vessel) What is tevilah for? And now consider how that has not much of anything to do with drinking a glass of water?
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As far as I know, tevilah is for a pot or surface you are going to cook with.
And there's a lot of issues there that separate along lehathila/bdiavad lines, but aside from all that... It's about cooking food.
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I realize this may sound easier said than done to get kosher food but where I live is pretty much completely devoid of Jews, I live near the border of Alabama. This is to give you a better idea.
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If Kashrut is not available, then what?
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I realize this may sound easier said than done to get kosher food but where I live is pretty much completely devoid of Jews, I live near the border of Alabama. This is to give you a better idea.
(http://pics4.city-data.com/cnfar/cnfar1285.png)
If Kashrut is not available, then what?
Good question, I wish I had better advice. Bli neder, Let me ask my rabbi and see what he says about it. He understands this type of situation well and also understands the leniency (as well as the stringency) that exists in Jewish law so he'll try to help you as much as is reasonably possible within the halacha. When I find out, I'll private message you his advice, since this is particular to you and not necessarily for others here who are in a different situation.
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Most tuna fish cans are certified Kosher by Orthodox Union. You can see if there is a capital letter 'U' inside a circle on the package, usually by the brand name. I realize eating tunafish everyday might get mundane but its one regular thing you can eat. Fish is parve [something that is not milk or meat] so it does not have the same rules against eating it with dairy. Hellmann's mayonnaise is Kosher as well so you can make tunafish salad.
As long as a fish has scales and fins its Kosher [tuna, salmon, mahi mahi, sea bass, etc], but a Kosher fish can be made non-Kosher if non-Kosher fish are prepared on the same surface as a Kosher fish, or cut with a knife which has cut non-Kosher fish. If you can get Kosher fish which has not been in contact with non-Kosher fish that may be a good way to get protein on a regular basis.
I would check the frozen fish sections in your grocery stores to see if any of the fish there have Kosher certification.
Pinto beans and chickpeas are also good sources of protein and they are both parve.
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Most tuna fish cans are certified Kosher by Orthodox Union. You can see if there is a capital letter 'U' inside a circle on the package, usually by the brand name. I realize eating tunafish everyday might get mundane but its one regular thing you can eat. Fish is parve [something that is not milk or meat] so it does not have the same rules against eating it with dairy. Hellmann's mayonnaise is Kosher as well so you can make tunafish salad.
As long as a fish has scales and fins its Kosher [tuna, salmon, mahi mahi, sea bass, etc], but a Kosher fish can be made non-Kosher if non-Kosher fish are prepared on the same surface as a Kosher fish, or cut with a knife which has cut non-Kosher fish. If you can get Kosher fish which has not been in contact with non-Kosher fish that may be a good way to get protein on a regular basis.
I would check the frozen fish sections in your grocery stores to see if any of the fish there have Kosher certification.
Pinto beans and chickpeas are also good sources of protein and they are both parve.
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I usually don't buy fish at the supermarket, I have the ocean in my backyard and usually just catch fish in a fish trap or take boat out and catch fish and gut them myself.
not sure if this is a kosher knife but this is what I use
(http://sheffield.rgr.jp/spyderco/image/57563-1.jpg)
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Most tuna fish cans are certified Kosher by Orthodox Union. You can see if there is a capital letter 'U' inside a circle on the package, usually by the brand name. I realize eating tunafish everyday might get mundane but its one regular thing you can eat. Fish is parve [something that is not milk or meat] so it does not have the same rules against eating it with dairy. Hellmann's mayonnaise is Kosher as well so you can make tunafish salad.
As long as a fish has scales and fins its Kosher [tuna, salmon, mahi mahi, sea bass, etc], but a Kosher fish can be made non-Kosher if non-Kosher fish are prepared on the same surface as a Kosher fish, or cut with a knife which has cut non-Kosher fish. If you can get Kosher fish which has not been in contact with non-Kosher fish that may be a good way to get protein on a regular basis.
I would check the frozen fish sections in your grocery stores to see if any of the fish there have Kosher certification.
Pinto beans and chickpeas are also good sources of protein and they are both parve.
:::D
I usually don't buy fish at the supermarket, I have the ocean in my backyard and usually just catch fish in a fish trap or take boat out and catch fish and gut them myself.
not sure if this is a kosher knife but this is what I use
[img]http://sheffield.rgr.jp/spyderco/image/57563-1.jpg[/img[
Well if you can catch Tuna and a host of other fish which are kosher, that's a big part of the diet right there...
That knife should be kosher as long as you're not using it to cut non-kosher meat or other non kosher foods. If you were doing that, you may have to kasher it by submerging it in boiling water.
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Most tuna fish cans are certified Kosher by Orthodox Union. You can see if there is a capital letter 'U' inside a circle on the package, usually by the brand name. I realize eating tunafish everyday might get mundane but its one regular thing you can eat. Fish is parve [something that is not milk or meat] so it does not have the same rules against eating it with dairy. Hellmann's mayonnaise is Kosher as well so you can make tunafish salad.
As long as a fish has scales and fins its Kosher [tuna, salmon, mahi mahi, sea bass, etc], but a Kosher fish can be made non-Kosher if non-Kosher fish are prepared on the same surface as a Kosher fish, or cut with a knife which has cut non-Kosher fish. If you can get Kosher fish which has not been in contact with non-Kosher fish that may be a good way to get protein on a regular basis.
I would check the frozen fish sections in your grocery stores to see if any of the fish there have Kosher certification.
Pinto beans and chickpeas are also good sources of protein and they are both parve.
:::D
I usually don't buy fish at the supermarket, I have the ocean in my backyard and usually just catch fish in a fish trap or take boat out and catch fish and gut them myself.
not sure if this is a kosher knife but this is what I use
(http://sheffield.rgr.jp/spyderco/image/57563-1.jpg)
Wow! That sounds great! ;D
KWRBT is correct about the knife.
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Also, I should add that kashering it would be required if you were cutting the non-kosher meat with it while the non-kosher meat was hot (say, during a meal). But if the non-kosher meat was always cold when you used the knife to cut this non-kosher meat (assuming you did) - say, only during preparation but before cooking meals, then you would not have to kasher it, just make sure it is thoroughly cleaned.
I think* the kashering is required only when hot non-kosher food has contacted the knife because the metal takes on flavors of non-kosher food (or any food) through heating it since it is a porous surface. When knife and meat are cold, this is not an issue.
Glass, on the other hand, does not have that problem and does not ever need to be kashered since it is not porous like metal.
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So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don`t worry ^^
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So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don`t worry ^^
Do you think this is funny? I don't... It is very, very important for Jews to keep as Kosher as possible. Those who think it is a joke are only fooling themselves.
We don't keep kosher because we are afraid of Gehinnom, we keep kosher because of Ahavat Hashem and doing mitzvot are the way a Jew gets close to Hashem...
I am disappointed with this kind of comment... I would expect this kind of thing from Massuh...
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Re: "I am disappointed with this kind of comment... I would expect this kind of thing from Massuh... "
You'll burn in HELL for ETERNITY for saying that! :nono:
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Do you think this is funny? I don't... It is very, very important for Jews to keep as Kosher as possible. Those who think it is a joke are only fooling themselves.
We don't keep kosher because we are afraid of Gehinnom, we keep kosher because of Ahavat Hashem and doing mitzvot are the way a Jew gets close to Hashem...
I am disappointed with this kind of comment... I would expect this kind of thing from Massuh...
Joke? No this is not a joke its a sad, sad reality (. About the rest you wrote..... this is your believe and your own business, after all thats one of reasons why we establish our own state. So you can relax, if i am not religious thats does not mean i am a traitor or something.
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Re: "I am disappointed with this kind of comment... I would expect this kind of thing from Massuh... "
You'll burn in HELL for ETERNITY for saying that! :nono:
And what that makes you, with this kind of statement? Hell expert probably ^^. Do you got extra ideas about religious people here in Israel who burning our flags inside jerusalem? They probably keep everything kosher, shame i can`t say anything about the rest.
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Re: "And what that makes you, with this kind of statement? Hell expert probably ^^. "
What that makes ME, is the world's foremost authority. :o
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It truly is a test to live in a world where there are foods which smell great and look great but a Jew because of his love of G-d abstains from. Especially if that Jew had strayed in his youth and indulged in forbidden foods. Later in life when he or she wants to return to the proper path and the memories of eating Bacon Cheeseburgers and Pork Ribs are still in their minds it is difficult when others parade these foods in front of them.
Keeping Kosher is an important mitzvah and helps remind a Jew that he is Jewish. I have to wrap myself in tzit-tzits, grow my peyot, and weap a kippah to remind me not to eat treif. If I look Jewish to myself I know that if I eat treif in public I will be doing a chillul hashem... This helps keep me from eating forbidden foods which I developed a taste for.
Part of the equation is that Judaism teaches that two of Hashems qualities {Sefirot} are Chessed and Gevurah... Chessed is kindness and in my analogy represents indulging in pleasure while Gevurah is restraint and refraining from indulging in forbidden activities. Life is a balance between Chessed and Gevurah...
http://www.aish.com/sp/k/48961961.html
Chesed-kindness and gevurah-strength work in tandem, defining G-d's interaction with the world as a right/left pull/push phenomenon.
Before we proceed further to discuss more of the Ten Sefirot, it would be wise to spend more time on the interaction between chesed and gevurah.
These two sefirot are probably the most widely used to describe G-d's actions in the world.
We could describe the sefirot we have previously discussed (chochmah-wisdom, binah-understanding and daat-knowledge) as "preparatory," and the sefirot we will discuss later (netzach-victory, hod-awe, yesod-foundation and malchut-monarchy) as "tactical." In this sense, chesed-kindness, gevurah-strength and tiferet-beauty are "central."
The interaction between these two sefirot is the first parallel (as opposed to linear) interaction in the system of sefirot. That is, chochmah cannot act simultaneously with binah. It is only after chochmah has come up with the initial idea, that binah can process it. And only after binah has processed the information, can it become daat.
However, with chesed and gevurah it is different. On the one hand, it is still possible to imagine it as a continuum. For example, the foundation block of creation was chesed, whereas its continuation was gevurah, as we have described in the last installment of this series. On the other hand, chesed and gevurah may work simultaneously. Thus when a certain event occurs, we may analyze the chesed components and the gevurah components that are simultaneously a part of the event.
The metaphor most commonly used to describe this phenomenon is right and left.
The Ten Sefirot find their representation in body parts -- chesed and gevurah are the hands.
Different parts of the body can be used to represent different sefirot, a topic which we will discuss at greater length at a later time. Whereas the first three sefirot of intellect find their corresponding metaphor in the brain, the sefirot of chesed and gevurah find their representation in the hands. The reason is that they are the primary vehicles for G-d's "actions" in the same way that the hands are the primary vehicle for human activity.
The metaphor is more specific in the sense that there is a correspondence between the "right" and "left" aspect of the human limbs, and the interaction of chesed and gevurah.
Imagine both hands pushing a cart, or hauling a bucket. In such a case there is no difference between the two hands. It is basically two "times" one hand, the correlation of right/left is inconsequential. True the right hand head is a little stronger, but the job is the same for both and as such it would not be appropriate to use the correlation as a metaphor for the chesed and gevurah relationship.
THE COUNTERBALANCE
But let us now take a different case. A person is hammering a nail into a board. The right hand pounds in the nail, whilst the left one holds the board down. A person screws in a screw with his right hand, and the left one pressures a nut in the opposite direction. Or a sculptor's right hand chisels stone, while his left hand holds the stone steady. In these examples, the right and left hand are cooperating -– by acting in a counter fashion!
We see from this that chesed and gevurah are acting simultaneously towards the same goal –- by exerting forces in opposite directions.
Let us be a little more specific regarding the specific roles of chesed and gevurah. When the sculptor chisels the stone, his right hand naturally takes the chipped stone along with the motion of his chisel. His left hand, however, holds the stone in place, and through the resistance to the movement of the chisel gives the stone its sense of "self." Thus, the stone is not taken along with the chisel, but rather it stands its own ground. Although the right hand has acted upon it, it has retained its own properties, while bearing the right hand's "message."
This describes exactly the relationship of chesed as the "right hand" and gevurah as the "left hand."
The main purpose of God's deeds is kindness -- thus chesed is stronger than gevurah.
The main purpose of God's deeds is kindness. Thus chesed is the stronger and more dominant of the two sefirot. And it is performing the act that God really had in mind.
But we have previously described the problem inherent in chesed. If a person lives as a beneficiary of someone else's largesse, then he loses his own identity. He becomes a vessel of the benefactor. This would be similar to the board being swept up in the motion of the hammer.
Therein, the sefirah of gevurah assists. It is the "left hand" that pushes in the opposite direction and gives the board its own existence. Whereas the right hand pulls along, the left hand pushes back. Whereas the attribute of chesed draws things into God's sphere of being, gevurah pushes the object away and proclaims: "Away from me, stand on your own two feet; earn your own keep."
The Rabbis of the Talmud have taught us:
A person should always draw people closer by means of his right hand, and push them aside with his left hand. (Sotah 47)
It is an important lesson in human relationships. The stronger and more dominant feature of human interaction should be the drawing closer and friendship of people. But enough "push" must be included to allow for the retaining of individual self. Benevolence towards an independent individual creates bonds and bridges; towards a dependant person, it creates annexation and is overwhelming.
(As an interesting footnote to this topic it is worth noting that people who were involved in Kabbalah study, such as many of the Chassidic groups, liked to wear their garments with the right side overlapping the left, to demonstrate this relationship. This is in contrast to modern western style where men's garments, i.e. shirts and coats, have a left/right overlap.)
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Re: "And what that makes you, with this kind of statement? Hell expert probably ^^. "
What that makes ME, is the world's foremost authority. :o
Very gooottttttttt!!!!!! Do you also wear some special "world`s authority" uniform for an addon.
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Do you think this is funny? I don't... It is very, very important for Jews to keep as Kosher as possible. Those who think it is a joke are only fooling themselves.
We don't keep kosher because we are afraid of Gehinnom, we keep kosher because of Ahavat Hashem and doing mitzvot are the way a Jew gets close to Hashem...
I am disappointed with this kind of comment... I would expect this kind of thing from Massuh...
Joke? No this is not a joke its a sad, sad reality (. About the rest you wrote..... this is your believe and your own business, after all thats one of reasons why we establish our own state. So you can relax, if i am not religious thats does not mean i am a traitor or something.
Hey genius, the guy asked about the pizza because he cares about the laws of kashrut. If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. It certainly doesn't help the one who asked the question - it wastes his time.
Now, do you want some kind of medal?
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Do you think this is funny? I don't... It is very, very important for Jews to keep as Kosher as possible. Those who think it is a joke are only fooling themselves.
We don't keep kosher because we are afraid of Gehinnom, we keep kosher because of Ahavat Hashem and doing mitzvot are the way a Jew gets close to Hashem...
I am disappointed with this kind of comment... I would expect this kind of thing from Massuh...
Joke? No this is not a joke its a sad, sad reality (. About the rest you wrote..... this is your believe and your own business, after all thats one of reasons why we establish our own state. So you can relax, if i am not religious thats does not mean i am a traitor or something.
Hey genius, the guy asked about the pizza because he cares about the laws of kashrut. If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. It certainly doesn't help the one who asked the question - it wastes his time.
Now, do you want some kind of medal?
+1
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Hey genius, the guy asked about the pizza because he cares about the laws of kashrut. If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. It certainly doesn't help the one who asked the question - it wastes his time.
Now, do you want some kind of medal?
HUH? :laugh:
Well caveman with Internet access, if you will read the entire thread you will find out that the answer to a kosher question was answered long before i posted. My goal was to calm the man down. I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever. Your mission is to leave some nasty comment and crawl back to your rock. At least you know how to admire youself :::D
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Hey genius, the guy asked about the pizza because he cares about the laws of kashrut. If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. It certainly doesn't help the one who asked the question - it wastes his time.
Now, do you want some kind of medal?
HUH? :laugh:
Well caveman with Internet access, if you will read the entire thread you will find out that the answer to a kosher question was answered long before i posted. My goal was to calm the man down. I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever. Your mission is to leave some nasty comment and crawl back to your rock. At least you know how to admire youself :::D
FreedomFighter,
I would not be so disrespectful of KWRBT... He contributes a lot to the Torah & Jewish idea section and is quite knowledgeable . I am sorry that your attempt at humor was not received in the intended way. But this is the Torah & Jewish Idea section and most readers and contributors are respectful of those of us Jews who are observant of the Mitzvot. From our perspective it seems rather out-of-touch to just say 'don't keep kosher' because it is not relevant to 'you' today....
All I ask is that you respect the Jewish beliefs and try not to cause others to transgress even if you do not observe.
Thank you..
BTW: KWRBT is no 'cave-man' as you put it... He is a very bright scientist who brings a lot of science knowledge to the forum also.
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Well here goes another one who don`t know how to read or he is doing this deliberately.
All I ask is that you respect the Jewish beliefs and try not to cause others to transgress even if you do not observe.
I never said anything that shows disrespect towards my religious traditions. I can reply this 100 times, in case you don`t get it. Stop making thing up :laugh:.
It seems like you really like to jump on others, is this your main hobby in addition to "science"? 24 on pc is his science. Really hard not to call you names and i know you trying to provoke other in very desperate ways.
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Hey genius, the guy asked about the pizza because he cares about the laws of kashrut. If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. It certainly doesn't help the one who asked the question - it wastes his time.
Now, do you want some kind of medal?
HUH? :laugh:
Well caveman with Internet access, if you will read the entire thread you will find out that the answer to a kosher question was answered long before i posted. My goal was to calm the man down. I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever. Your mission is to leave some nasty comment and crawl back to your rock. At least you know how to admire youself :::D
Nice try.
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Hey genius, the guy asked about the pizza because he cares about the laws of kashrut. If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. It certainly doesn't help the one who asked the question - it wastes his time.
Now, do you want some kind of medal?
HUH? :laugh:
Well caveman with Internet access, if you will read the entire thread you will find out that the answer to a kosher question was answered long before i posted. My goal was to calm the man down. I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever. Your mission is to leave some nasty comment and crawl back to your rock. At least you know how to admire youself :::D
Nice try.
Same to you )
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Well if you unable to prove the statement you made about me, you can try to repeat it couple of times. At least you will convince youself..... scientist :laugh:
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Well if you unable to prove the statement you made about me, you can try to repeat it couple of times. At least you will convince youself..... scientist :laugh:
FF,
What are you trying to accomplish here? You seem to want to continue calling people names and insulting their intelligence.
Let us look at the post which I found offensive:
So is there a such thing as kosher pizza? I really like to go to a local dive bar here and they have awsome tasting pizza, I realize that it is forbidden to mix meat with cheese but what if it is just pizza with veggies or just cheese?
You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don`t worry ^^
You state 'You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don't worry..."
To an observant Jew, like myself, it seems you are encouraging Jews to eat whatever they want. Was this your intention or are we dealing with a communication problem {like maybe you don't know English very well?}. If it was not intended to persuade a Jew to eat non-Kosher then I will apologize, but it certainly seems to me that you knew full well what you were saying.
Obviously the mitzvot are not important to you. I rebuke you for this because as a Jew it is my responsibility to rebuke those who lead others astray. I cannot tell you to keep more kosher because you will not listen to me. You have copped a defensive attitude which is driven by your ego. Why do you have any anger at KWRBT? I was the one who originally pointed out that your response was inappropriate for a Jewish Torah forum.
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You don`t want to give up ha. Ok.
What are you trying to accomplish here? You seem to want to continue calling people names and insulting their intelligence.
Well the same question i can ask you? What was the reason to jump and made a rude reply to my comment and calling me names. The feedback to my "joke" (if you want to call it this way) was already written, including you, sending me to Hell for it. Are you bored and gather attention this way? Well i can continiue this until you will be finaly happy. Judging by your behavior its almost imposible to do.
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I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever.
But the same guy also wrote:
You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don`t worry ^^
Case closed.
Btw FD, my comment was a conditional - that means it utilized the word "if."
as in, "If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. "
Because that was the impression your comment gave. And now you ask how did I ever find that impression? Well, I quoted you. That's where it came from.
Now, have any additional insults to sling, or are you finished?
And do you still want a medal?
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Because that was the impression your comment gave. And now you ask how did I ever find that impression? Well, I quoted you. That's where it came from.
I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever.
But the same guy also wrote:
Quote from: FreedomDefender
You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don`t worry ^^
I still don`t know how this is insulting, but whatever. As i said, you can continue with this and find something even more interesting. Your hobby probably ).
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Because that was the impression your comment gave. And now you ask how did I ever find that impression? Well, I quoted you. That's where it came from.
I don`t know from where you came with conclusion that i don`t care about traditions, but whatever.
But the same guy also wrote:
Quote from: FreedomDefender
You can eat everything you want this days, tickets to hell are run out long time ago. Don`t worry ^^
I still don`t know how this is insulting, but whatever. As i said, you can continue with this and find something even more interesting. Your hobby probably ).
You have real problems with reading comprehension.
Nothing was insulting... until you started insulting me personally. I never claimed your original statement was "insulting." So stop obfuscating.
Insults are statements like - "caveman with Internet access," "Your mission is to leave some nasty comment and crawl back to your rock. " "At least you know how to admire youself"
These are insults. I'm not calling anything else an insult, so stop pretending you don't know why I'm calling your statements insults. These insults only came after-the-fact, when you didn't like how I replied to you.
Your original statement was merely irrelevant, a waste of time, not helpful, and with a host of other ways to describe it, but I never said it was insulting. You need to read carefully. Once I pointed out that your comment wasn't helpful and asked you if you wanted a medal, you started your onslaught of personal insults. Very petty. And, again, a waste of everyone's time.
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Nothing was insulting... until you started insulting me personally. I never claimed your original statement was "insulting." So stop obfuscating.
Well. This is exactly what you are doing right now. First you accuse me of being insulting towards my religious traditions and now you claim that i only insult you. So i am not going to hell? Make you mind please.
Your original statement was merely irrelevant, a waste of time, not helpful, and with a host of other ways to describe it, but I never said it was insulting.
You did in fact. Now you changing the subject.
You need to read carefully. Once I pointed out that your comment wasn't helpful and asked you if you wanted a medal, you started your onslaught of personal insults.
Well here is something that will put an end to your false conclusions about me and it related to a main topic for a change.
Pizza which made by Jewish tradition, could be "Halavit", "Parve" and "Basarit". Also its very important to check "Batsek" ingredients and how it was made. I hope you know what that words mean. Have a nice day
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Looks like I didn't miss much.
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nope ^^ ;D
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Nothing was insulting... until you started insulting me personally. I never claimed your original statement was "insulting." So stop obfuscating.
Well. This is exactly what you are doing right now. First you accuse me of being insulting towards my religious traditions and now you claim that i only insult you. So i am not going to hell? Make you mind please.
I didn't accuse you of that. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else. You need to read carefully.
Your original statement was merely irrelevant, a waste of time, not helpful, and with a host of other ways to describe it, but I never said it was insulting.
You did in fact. Now you changing the subject.
No, I didn't. I quoted myself exactly and in that quote it does not say "insulting" or anything implying it. So I would tell you to quote me to prove your claim, but I've already quoted myself in full! Now you are just lying.
Here is the quote again - "If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law. "
You need to read carefully. Once I pointed out that your comment wasn't helpful and asked you if you wanted a medal, you started your onslaught of personal insults.
Well here is something that will put an end to your false conclusions about me and it related to a main topic for a change.
Pizza which made by Jewish tradition, could be "Halavit", "Parve" and "Basarit". Also its very important to check "Batsek" ingredients and how it was made. I hope you know what that words mean. Have a nice day
Um, ok.
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I didn't accuse you of that. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else. You need to read carefully.
Well, lets see what we got here.
If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law.
It seems you an expert on false accusations of others. Got anything else? Or should i give a medal right away.
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I didn't accuse you of that. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else. You need to read carefully.
Well, lets see what we got here.
If you personally don't care about kashrut, you offer nothing constructive to the conversation by expressing your disdain for Jewish law.
It seems you an expert on false accusations of others. Got anything else? Or should i give a medal right away.
1. Disdain and insult are different words with different meanings.
2. The entire statement I made was a conditional prefaced by the word, "if." (I've already said this once).
Any further questions?
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Well your "if" is wrong. So don`t jump on an emty space, you may fall down.
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Just to make it clear and because some individuals just don`t want to give up, i will tell you something. Food is a part of what i do for a living, so once in a while i need to step down from my jewish traditions. However i don`t think you have any right to claim that i disdain jewish traditions. Kashrut is also a great part of what i am doing. So this games will not work with me, you don`t know me. Have a nice day.