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Title: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Ari Ben-Canaan on October 12, 2010, 06:31:06 PM
I am curious as to what most people here define Fascism as.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Meerkat on October 12, 2010, 06:48:05 PM
il take Mussolini's definition. he started fascism, so this is the only "official" definitions.

1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated.


that is the only official definition. though there are trillions of unofficial definitions.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: briann on October 12, 2010, 07:38:59 PM
il take Mussolini's definition. he started fascism, so this is the only "official" definitions.

1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated.


that is the only official definition. though there are trillions of unofficial definitions.


Yes, in other words, a dream for Obama.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on October 12, 2010, 07:41:21 PM
Re:  "define Fascism "

Quoting Benito Mussolini, the founder of Fascism:

"Fascism might be best described as corporatism ".

It is the state and major corporations operating as one, the state using coercion to control corporate production for the benefit of the state.

Contrary to the accepted beliefs of most Americans, fascism is not Nazism.

Fascism, per se, is not an ideology centered around racial superiority, nor is it exclusively socialistic.

Fascism is totalitarian, tolerates no dissent, and values the supreme power of the state as the greatest good.

Under a fascist government, individuals and businesses matter only to the extent that they contribute to the wealth and power of the state.

Fascism existed before Hitler established his rule over Germany, and while the two forms of government were both authoritarian in nature, National Socialism was a left wing ideology which believed that all rights of citizenship, together with access to the nation's goods and services were reserved exclusively for one racial group deemed superior to all others, all under control of a regimented state bureaucracy ruled by one absolute dictator.  Period.

The National Socialist State was like all other socialist states in that all major means of production, marketing, and distribution, was owned by the State.

However, unlike other socialistic ideologies, Nazism was in theory nationalist rather than internationalist in scope.
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In my opinion the ease with which some denounce others as "NAZI" degrades and cheapens the insult because it is possible to have a strong dislike for Jews and Judaism while also having an equally strong dislike for National Socialism.

My opinion holds also for those who all too quickly denounce anyone holding firm convictions with which they disagree as "fascists".

There are indeed fascists in operation today - those controlling the platforms of both major political parties.

At present the policies of the United States Federal Government are more and more fascistic, as indicated by Obama's seizure of the health care, banking, and automobile industries.

And just because you cheer and wave flags and vote for one or another candidate doesn't mean that you yourself are not fascista !



 
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Dr. Dan on October 12, 2010, 07:52:55 PM
Fascism:  When someone believes in wearing really nice trendy clothing....no wait, that fashionism... 8)
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on October 12, 2010, 08:44:35 PM
il take Mussolini's definition. he started fascism, so this is the only "official" definitions.

1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated.


that is the only official definition. though there are trillions of unofficial definitions.

Sounds like Labor zionism.

Is this a platform written up by ehud barak?
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: briann on October 12, 2010, 08:45:15 PM
Naziism IS a form a Fascism.  I don't see why it wouldnt be.  Fascism is totalitarianism, where the government wants to control everything, not just what happens in public, but what happens in your home,  what you do in private.  If they could control your mind, they would.

This has nothing to do with nationalism, which is a missuse of the term.  Those he say fascism is a variant of nationalism are just making up their own definition of the word.

Naziism advertised itself to be nationalist, in fact, it ran on the platform of 'freedom' and bringing power back to the people.  But it was as far from nationalism as could possibly be.  It took a fringe pagan lunatic totalitarian ideology that a tiny percentage believed in, and attempted to push it on all of Europe.

All totalitarian movements pretend to say they want to 'free' the people, etc.  Same thing with Communism.  It was the same pack of lies.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: nopeaceforland on October 12, 2010, 09:40:58 PM
OP: Do you live in America? If so, you're living through it. >:(
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: briann on October 12, 2010, 11:45:08 PM
OP: Do you live in America? If so, you're living through it. >:(

This is CERTAINLY the closest we have ever been to fascism, but luckily we are still a somewhat free nation.  But every year we fall dangerously further from what the founding fathers intended.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Daniel on October 13, 2010, 08:01:05 AM
I define fascism as the mentality of "everything that I say and think is right and good, and anything that you think that falls outside of the scope of what I think is wrong and evil."
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Yaakov Mendel on October 13, 2010, 10:47:34 AM

The word "fascist", when used by a leftist, is an emotional, meaningless way of disparaging anyone who doesn't share their views in general, and more particularly someone who thinks that the purpose of life does not consist in claiming unlimited individual freedom or someone who thinks that not all things are of equal value.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: americankahanist on October 13, 2010, 11:08:06 AM
I am curious as to what most people here define Fascism as.

Obama.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on October 13, 2010, 11:20:26 AM
I define fascism as the mentality of "everything that I say and think is right and good, and anything that you think that falls outside of the scope of what I think is wrong and evil."

I think you're looking for the word absolutism.
Title: Re: Define the word Fascism
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on October 13, 2010, 11:26:45 AM
I define fascism as the mentality of "everything that I say and think is right and good, and anything that you think that falls outside of the scope of what I think is wrong and evil."

That's not the actual definition of the word, though.   The word has a real meaning.    Maybe you need to use a different word than fascism to more accurately fit your description.