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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on October 17, 2010, 10:34:09 AM
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This us a question for creations and evolutions who believe in Gd. If Adam and eve were the first humans were there others outside of Eden? If so how did they come to be and when? Did the Asians, negroids, caucausoids, Hindi, and mesepotamians happen spontaneously?
My take us that Adam and eve were very special but not the only homo sapiens on earth. I have no proof. It's just a thought.
The cushim or negroids are Ham's descendents
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If Adam and Eve were literal people, then all human beings would have come from them originally.
As to the origin of the races, there were waves of people that spread all over, some of them were more primitive than others. When newer waves came in, they might have mixed with some of the earlier waves that were already different in each region. Also people have paler skin where the sun isn't as strong to allow for more Vitamin D absorption, and darker skin in stronger sun to protect from skin cancer. Other features such as facial structure, brain size, etc. are also related to environment and the needs of survival.
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Re: "Did the Peking man, negroids, caucausoids, Hindi, and mesepotamians happen spontaneously? "
They sprung spontaneously from swamp vapors.
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If Adam and Eve were literal people, then all human beings would have come from them originally.
As to the origin of the races, there were waves of people that spread all over, some of them were more primitive than others. When newer waves came in, they might have mixed with some of the earlier waves that were already different in each region. Also people have paler skin where the sun isn't as strong to allow for more Vitamin D absorption, and darker skin in stronger sun to protect from skin cancer. Other features such as facial structure, brain size, etc. are also related to environment and the needs of survival.
not just physical traits, but IQ also varies for different races. According to understanding of my religion, Humans in general are categorized according to their social, cultural and spiritual advancement of the soul, and born into one or the other human body, according to the designs of the Nature, set and guided by the Almighty.
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btw what is Hindi? it is a not a race but language.
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Hindu have different theology and as per them the Adam and Eve (Aadam and Havyavati) were pious originals of the Yavan theology. They said that Adam or 'Adamya' denotes as 'undaunted'.
Hindu believe that the man always from eternity remained like this but only changing in sizes and psychologies and with rotation of the primordially existing souls.
However astonishingly their divinity system is exactly parallel to the line of evolution.
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But why do black people stay black in cold countries or not have kids with white skin if born away from the equator
If Adam and Eve were literal people, then all human beings would have come from them originally.
As to the origin of the races, there were waves of people that spread all over, some of them were more primitive than others. When newer waves came in, they might have mixed with some of the earlier waves that were already different in each region. Also people have paler skin where the sun isn't as strong to allow for more Vitamin D absorption, and darker skin in stronger sun to protect from skin cancer. Other features such as facial structure, brain size, etc. are also related to environment and the needs of survival.
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btw what is Hindi? it is a not a race but language.
Hindus valley perhaps? My understanding if the people of the Hindus valley is that they had a separate early civilization
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The negroid was pulled from the steaming jungles of Africa a few centuries ago.
They're not human.
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This us a question for creations and evolutions who believe in Gd. If Adam and eve were the first humans were there others outside of Eden? If so how did they come to be and when? Did the Asians, negroids, caucausoids, Hindi, and mesepotamians happen spontaneously?
My take us that Adam and eve were very special but not the only homo sapiens on earth. I have no proof. It's just a thought.
The cushim or negroids are Ham's descendents
Great question. I'm not a torah scholar so I will also have to ask. Was Hashem's act of creating humans exclusive to Adam and Eve? If not, when did he stop creating man? Or did he? I personally don't know of anyone who was created without the genetic material of a man and woman. Can and will Hashem ever make another person appear out of thin air?
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To show respect for Asians, I modified Dr. Dan's post. I'm also acknowledging Hindu Zionists point. In trying to type "Hindu" I accidentally hit the I instead of the U because they are next to each other. Maybe Dr. Dan did the same.
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This us a question for creations and evolutions who believe in Gd. If Adam and eve were the first humans were there others outside of Eden? If so how did they come to be and when? Did the Asians, negroids, caucausoids, Hindi, and mesepotamians happen spontaneously?
My take us that Adam and eve were very special but not the only homo sapiens on earth. I have no proof. It's just a thought.
The cushim or negroids are Ham's descendents
Great question. I'm not a torah scholar so I will also have to ask. Was Hashem's act of creating humans exclusive to Adam and Eve? If not, when did he stop creating man? Or did he? I personally don't know of anyone who was created without the genetic material of a man and woman. Can and will Hashem ever make another person appear out of thin air?
Shalom,
One explanation given for the Nefailim in the Torah account of Genesis is that they were pre-historic soul-less man...
http://www.aish.com/tp/i/moha/64722247.html
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REDEEMING CAIN
Why must this be so? Does this line deserve preservation? Is the line of Cain redeemable? The crux of this question centers on Na'ama, and the answers offered by our sages vary: Some claim that she was a worthy mate for Noach; she, as he, was righteous.17 Others identify Na'ama as a demonic figure18 who was guilty of causing even the angels to fall.19 This tradition of "fallen angels" is associated with the enigmatic "bnei elohim" and the equally mysterious "Nefilim" who appear at the very end of Parshat Bereishit, as part of the backdrop to the generation of the flood:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them; That the sons of the powerful saw the daughters of men that they were pretty; and they took as wives all those whom they chose. There were Nefilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of powerful came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men of old, men of renown. Bereishit (6:1-4)
This passage seems to outline the existence of various strata of society - even strata of humanity: the sons of the powerful, the daughters of man, the even-more-obscure Nefilim. We have suggested the possibility that the 'sons of the powerful' are "prehistoric" soulless humanoids, offspring of Adam and Eve who did not possess the breath of the divine which distinguished Adam, Eve and their son Shet.20 This line, then, would include Cain; it is preserved through Na'ama.21
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Forget about Adam and Eve , they are irrelevant. In the deluge everyone perished. Only Noahs Children remained
Lets talk about that. All these different races Asian Black Mideastern White Etc Etc in only a few thousand years? If so then thats the amazing human resilient body, if not ,then thats race propaganda. By the way an ape has white skin under its fur and has straight hair rather than nappy , one can argue the black man is more evolved but I dont believe in that kind of evolution.
(http://brandnewatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/04300036.jpg)
It seems if you go according to evolution superficially the Asians and whites inherited the straight hair and white skin of the ape. The black man and Asian ingerited the wide nose and protruding mouth and black hair. Again I think its utter nonsense.
(http://allears.net/tp/ak/gorilla100.jpg)
A gorilla with red hair and light eyes.
If I believed in evolution I would consider whites and Asians closer to apes becase of their hair and skin and eye color.
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The negroid was pulled from the steaming jungles of Africa a few centuries ago.
They're not human.
obama is half negroid/half caucasoid and he has kids, so negroids are homo sapiens by defenition
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According to the Talmud [through analysis of the Psalms] there were 974 generations before the Torah was given. There are different opinions into what this means.
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Forget about Adam and Eve , they are irrelevant. In the deluge everyone perished. Only Noahs Children remained
Lets talk about that. All these different races Asian Black Mideastern White Etc Etc in only a few thousand years? If so then thats the amazing human resilient body, if not ,then thats race propaganda. By the way an ape has white skin under its fur and has straight hair rather than nappy , one can argue the black man is more evolved but I dont believe in that kind of evolution.
(http://brandnewatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/04300036.jpg)
It seems if you go according to evolution superficially the Asians and whites inherited the straight hair and white skin of the ape. The black man and Asian ingerited the wide nose and protruding mouth and black hair. Again I think its utter nonsense.
(http://allears.net/tp/ak/gorilla100.jpg)
A gorilla with red hair and light eyes.
If I believed in evolution I would consider whites and Asians closer to apes becase of their hair and skin and eye color.
I don't know .... I'd bet if you dressed up the ape in the above picture and dropped him off on 125 Street up in Harlem you would be hard pressed to pick him out in a crowd.... ;D
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LOL!!!! your right!
And white one one looks like a white over weight construction worker from behind haha (wink)
All im saying is I think we are all one people..except Islam LOL
There are black monkeys and white moneys just like with people :::D
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Your personal "theories" as regards hair color and texture are flawed. :teach:
Apes have straight hair.
Negroes have kinked hair on their head and less overall body hair than Caucasians.
Apes protect and nurture their offspring.
Negroes ... (I'll let you finish the rest)
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Re: "According to the Talmud [through analysis of the Psalms] there were 974 generations before the Torah was given. "
Well then, that's all the proof needed and we don't want any second opinions! >:(
Now let's move on to the part warning us where the demons hang out!
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But why do black people stay black in cold countries or not have kids with white skin if born away from the equator
This is not the pleistocene. They have a heated home to live in for winter, they have grocery stores and medical care.
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But why do black people stay black in cold countries or not have kids with white skin if born away from the equator
This is not the pleistocene. They have a heated home to live in for winter, they have grocery stores and medical care.
And whites have Coppertone:
(http://www.overstockdrugstore.com/product_images/s/041100081810.jpg)
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Yes true Muman ;D
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The negroid was pulled from the steaming jungles of Africa a few centuries ago.
They're not human.
obama is half negroid/half caucasoid and he has kids, so negroids are homo sapiens by defenition
But a Donkey and a Horse can make a Mule.
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The negroid was pulled from the steaming jungles of Africa a few centuries ago.
They're not human.
obama is half negroid/half caucasoid and he has kids, so negroids are homo sapiens by defenition
But a Donkey and a Horse can make a Mule.
yes, but all mules are sterile, hussein does have kids.
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Two animals are members of the same species only if they can create fertile offspring.
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Yes, king Obama came from a people who are very fertile.
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That white gorilla is an albino..a genetic mutation that causes the lack of melanin and pigment in the eyes. Albinos either have blue or red eyes. I have seen people of african decent who happen to be albinos.
Forget about Adam and Eve , they are irrelevant. In the deluge everyone perished. Only Noahs Children remained
Lets talk about that. All these different races Asian Black Mideastern White Etc Etc in only a few thousand years? If so then thats the amazing human resilient body, if not ,then thats race propaganda. By the way an ape has white skin under its fur and has straight hair rather than nappy , one can argue the black man is more evolved but I dont believe in that kind of evolution.
(http://brandnewatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/04300036.jpg)
It seems if you go according to evolution superficially the Asians and whites inherited the straight hair and white skin of the ape. The black man and Asian ingerited the wide nose and protruding mouth and black hair. Again I think its utter nonsense.
(http://allears.net/tp/ak/gorilla100.jpg)
A gorilla with red hair and light eyes.
If I believed in evolution I would consider whites and Asians closer to apes becase of their hair and skin and eye color.
I don't know .... I'd bet if you dressed up the ape in the above picture and dropped him off on 125 Street up in Harlem you would be hard pressed to pick him out in a crowd.... ;D
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If Adam and Eve were literal people, then all human beings would have come from them originally.
And?
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Two animals are members of the same species only if they can create fertile offspring.
In last week's Parasha, before the time of Noach, the animals were mating with each other and this must have created all sorts of infertile offspring. It would be something if the flood was more than a literal one, where so many infertile animals existed that the real ones had to be protected in the ark.
Sometimes this infertility does not occur until another generation of offspring. Drawing the line is not simple when two species are close but not the same. To an extend, racial division among people constitute a mild speciation of man since different groups have different gene pools. This is why a prosperous society can be handed over to a bunch of savages and the savages can almost instantaneously destroy it. Of course people from different gene pools can also mate to fill in missing genes to combat genetic defects.
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I really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to "all the animals mating with each other". Only some different species that are closely related can mate and produce offspring. It depends on how recent the split was. I think some lion and tiger offspring are fertile and some are not. I've also heard of very rare mules that are fertile, but not many of course.