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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140537
Non-Jewish Russians Suspected of Vandalizing Synagogue
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu and Yoni Kempinski
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Non-Jewish Russians are suspected of having vandalized the Petach Tikvah Great Synagogue Monday night, leaving the house of worship in shambles. Police are investigating the latest attack, which shocked worshippers who arrived for morning prayers.
Striking on the evening before Kristallnacht, the vandals broke a glass window to enter the synagogue and then desecrated a holy Torah scroll and hurled prayer books on the floor, where they also spilled paint.
The anti-Semites pulled prayer seats from the floor and destroyed shelves and cupboards storing holy books.
A gang of non-Jews from the former Soviet Bloc have been involved in previous incidents in the city, adjacent to Tel Aviv, and police three months ago arrested an 18-year-old who cursed worshippers and threatened them.
Last March, vandals sprayed Swastikas and wrote ‘Death to Jews” on the “Rambam synagogue” in Petach Tikvah, and similar slogans were found on a yeshiva.
The phenomena of anti-Semitism in Israel, once unthinkable, has become more common in recent years following action in the government of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon aas well as previous Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin's Absorption Minister Yair Tsaban (Meretz) to allow more than 250,000 non-Jews to enter the country as citizens. While Sharon reasoned that their presence would reduce the percentage of Arabs in the country, the left wing and anti-religious parties hoped they would be a contra to the growing Haredi and Religious Zionist Jewish population. The non-Jewish Russians have left a secular, sometimes Christian and often anti-Semitic imprint on many urban neighborhoods and small cities.
Initially, they were supposed to enter the country only if they had at least one Jewish parent, although Jewish law defines a Jew as one born to a Jewish mother, with the exception of converts. In fact, regulations were relaxed or ignored for tens of thousands of non-Jewish couples to immigrate and settle in Israel.
Some of them are Christians who also conduct illegal missionary activities in public.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140537
The phenomena of anti-Semitism in Israel, once unthinkable, has become more common in recent years
There has been antisemitism in Israel since the creation of the State, against religious Jews, against survivors of the Shoah, against Mizrachi Jews... The left and the phoney right in Israel are antisemitic. The expulsions from Gush Katif were violent antisemitic acts.
As for these punks, they should be deported immediately.
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We should look more into antisemitism activity in my country Israel. And try atleast minimize the problem. But language barrier is still a major issue. Even when people "trying to be sane" by place themselves above me just because my English is not my mother language its still a language barrier. Hard to be JTF-er when you making Grammar errors like a criminal. Language barrier also makes you less patriot and more like non Israeli lier according to Torah "specialist" kahane-was-right-bt. Some times it can even cause changes in sexual orientation and you may become a homosexual by the activity of language barrier. Its HARD when you always see people put themselves "above" you and turning agreement to disagreement because of language barrier. Do those people know the definition of words language and barrier? Doesn`t matter, because they "above" me, "always". English is not my mother language.
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We should look more into antisemitism activity in my country Israel. And try atleast minimize the problem. But language barrier is still a major issue. Even when people "trying to be sane" by place themselves above me just because my English is not my mother language its still a language barrier. Hard to be JTF-er when you making Grammar errors like a criminal. Language barrier also makes you less patriot and more like non Israeli lier according to Torah "specialist" kahane-was-right-bt. Some times it can even cause changes in sexual orientation and you may become a homosexual by the activity of language barrier. Its HARD when you always see people put themselves "above" you and turning agreement to disagreement because of language barrier. Do those people know the definition of words language and barrier? Doesn`t matter, because they "above" me, "always". English is not my mother language.
Enough already.
I never said I was "above" you. You are the one who started with that crap. You made that up.
Language barrier is not a derogatory phrase! It simply means that people are having a difficult time understanding each other because of one or more of them not understanding the language being spoken by the other(s). Why do you take offense at the term "language barrier?" It's not an insult.
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He is a troll, KWRBT.
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Enough already.
I never said I was "above" you. You are the one who started with that crap. You made that up.
Language barrier is not a derogatory phrase! It simply means that people are having a difficult time understanding each other because of one or more of them not understanding the language being spoken by the other(s). Why do you take offense at the term "language barrier?" It's not an insult.
I am saving your breath by saying in my replies that language barrier is major issue, because your answers based mostly on my grammar errors. I forgot to mention that the term is not derogatory or means an insult because English is not my mother language. I didn`t made it up because you constantly used that as your only argument and base on that you called me a non Israeli, liar, homosexual and even a self hator while ignoring a basic question i ask you. Even when you played a game called "last comment contest" you deliberately edited the thread subject to make me look bad and placed yourself "above" me by making false conclusions about me. Because English is not my mother language i can`t get a clear answer from you because your comments based only on "Wikipedia copy past" and you don`t bother to explain yourself, even if i asked many times. Because of language barrier you became insane and attacked my family and friends by using invented facts same as you do right now. You made this personal and i accepted the challenge despite the fact that English is not my mother language. I am your enemy with your full upper hand and language barrier. How can you respond to me if you said that you can`t understand what i am saying? English is still not my mother language. Its cool to be an American owner boy.
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He is a troll, KWRBT.
I already admit my "crimes", so no need to add anything, because you always "above" me. Language barrier is important. Kahane was right BT also said that because i "don`t know" (as he claim) Torah that means i am nonIsraeli and a liar. Both arguments are not only false but turned around 180 degree. But English is still not my mother language. Can you reedit the subject of the thread, make me look bad and put another language barrier? Its very good that you didn`t call me a spammer because you still "above" me and my English is not my mother language.
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Enough already.
I never said I was "above" you. You are the one who started with that crap. You made that up.
Language barrier is not a derogatory phrase! It simply means that people are having a difficult time understanding each other because of one or more of them not understanding the language being spoken by the other(s). Why do you take offense at the term "language barrier?" It's not an insult.
I am saving your breath by saying in my replies that language barrier is major issue, because your answers based mostly on my grammar errors. I forgot to mention that the term is not derogatory or means an insult because English is not my mother language. I didn`t made it up because you constantly used that as your only argument and base on that you called me a non Israeli, liar, homosexual and even a self hator while ignoring a basic question i ask you. Even when you played a game called "last comment contest" you deliberately edited the thread subject to make me look bad and placed yourself "above" me by making false conclusions about me. Because English is not my mother language i can`t get a clear answer from you because your comments based only on "Wikipedia copy past" and you don`t bother to explain yourself, even if i asked many times. Because of language barrier you became insane and attacked my family and friends by using invented facts same as you do right now. You made this personal and i accepted the challenge despite the fact that English is not my mother language. I am your enemy with your full upper hand and language barrier. How can you respond to me if you said that you can`t understand what i am saying? English is still not my mother language. Its cool to be an American owner boy.
I never edited your subject threads. You have a paranoia. I never called you a homosexual, I never attacked your family, etc etc. You are just making things up.
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Enough already.
I never said I was "above" you. You are the one who started with that crap. You made that up.
Language barrier is not a derogatory phrase! It simply means that people are having a difficult time understanding each other because of one or more of them not understanding the language being spoken by the other(s). Why do you take offense at the term "language barrier?" It's not an insult.
I am saving your breath by saying in my replies that language barrier is major issue, because your answers based mostly on my grammar errors. I forgot to mention that the term is not derogatory or means an insult because English is not my mother language. I didn`t made it up because you constantly used that as your only argument and base on that you called me a non Israeli, liar, homosexual and even a self hator while ignoring a basic question i ask you. Even when you played a game called "last comment contest" you deliberately edited the thread subject to make me look bad and placed yourself "above" me by making false conclusions about me. Because English is not my mother language i can`t get a clear answer from you because your comments based only on "Wikipedia copy past" and you don`t bother to explain yourself, even if i asked many times. Because of language barrier you became insane and attacked my family and friends by using invented facts same as you do right now. You made this personal and i accepted the challenge despite the fact that English is not my mother language. I am your enemy with your full upper hand and language barrier. How can you respond to me if you said that you can`t understand what i am saying? English is still not my mother language. Its cool to be an American owner boy.
I never edited your subject threads. You have a paranoia. I never called you a homosexual, I never attacked your family, etc etc. You are just making things up.
I think you should ignore him. You have shown far too much good will already. It is pointless, as he has been spewing nonsense, insults, gibberish and lies all along.
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I think you should ignore him. You have shown far too much good will already. It is pointless, as he has been spewing nonsense, insults
Smart words by someone who also "above" me just because my English is not my mother language. I want the language barrier on other websites where i registered. Total ignoring will also put yourself "above" me, but i don`t think you have the ability to do that because my English is not my mother language. I have a good idea in case you will fail to ignore me. You can post word "troll" before and after my responses and win a "last comment" contest. Or use my solution to your little problem and end the language barrier.
gibberish
I saving your time by showing you that my English is not my mother language and you don`t have to read my grammar errors and complain about it all the time, because you "above" me.
gibberish and lies all along.
So show me an example how you came up with conclusion that i don`t know anything about Torah. And show me where did you find your "true" when you claim that person who don`t know Torah and live in Israel is actually a non Israeli and a liar. Or its another language Barrier.
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I think you should ignore him. You have shown far too much good will already. It is pointless, as he has been spewing nonsense, insults
Smart words by someone who also "above" me just because my English is not my mother language. I want the language barrier on other websites where i registered. Total ignoring will also put yourself "above" me, but i don`t think you have the ability to do that because my English is not my mother language. I have a good idea in case you will fail to ignore me. You can post word "troll" before and after my responses and win a "last comment" contest. Or use my solution to your little problem and end the language barrier.
gibberish
I saving your time by showing you that my English is not my mother language and you don`t have to read my grammar errors and complain about it all the time, because you "above" me.
gibberish and lies all along.
So show me an example how you came up with conclusion that i don`t know anything about Torah. And show me where did you find your "true" when you claim that person who don`t know Torah and live in Israel is actually a non Israeli and a liar. Or its another language Barrier.
You are delusional. It has nothing to do with your "language barrier" as you keep posting in every thread. I never said the things you claim I said, just as KWR BT never called you a homosexual, nor did he ever attack your family. But YOU have been offensive to me and to KWR BT. YOU have called me a homo, G-d knows why. So now I would appreciate if you let go of me and if you stopped dumping trash everywhere on this forum.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_barrier
Read and learn.
It does not mean or imply that you should be blocked from the site. That phrase does not mean that. You made that part up in your paranoia.
However, due to your childish insults against other members here and your spamming, you probably should be banned anyway.
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You are delusional.
Sure!!! That's because you always "above" me. And now apparently i am asking questions to my self, to show that i know word Torah but in the same time show that i don`t know word Torah and i am not an Israeli. Why should i do that, because of language barrier? And what is the point if Haim himself (for example) live in America and not in Israel (and he knows Torah in thousand times better then me). Compare him to me, if you "above" me, he is a king then. I don`t get it? Its probably because my English is not my mother language and it makes a language barrier. Language barries makes me talk to my self but i don`t remember when it happen. Combine that with with english which is not my mother language...... I get it! You are allmighty internet "owner" then. Wow! i knew you go far but this. How i "envy" you. I am just "below" you because my English is not my mother language.
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You are delusional.
Sure!!! That's because you always "above" me. And now apparently i am asking questions to my self, to show that i know word Torah but in the same time show that i don`t know word Torah and i am not an Israeli. Why should i do that, because of language barrier? And what is the point if Haim himself (for example) live in America and not in Israel (and he knows Torah in thousand times better then me). Compare him to me, if you "above" me, he is a king then. I don`t get it? Its probably because my English is not my mother language and it makes a language barrier. Language barries makes me talk to my self but i don`t remember when it happen. Combine that with with english which is not my mother language...... I get it! You are allmighty internet "owner" then. Wow! i knew you go far but this. How i "envy" you. I am just "below" you because my English is not my mother language.
Please take your medicine.
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Getting back to the original topic, the Russians in Israel are the Israeli equivalent of the wetbacks in the United States. Both governments want them there, to use as a tool to conquer and pacify the rightful population it is trying to control.
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Getting back to the original topic, the Russians in Israel are the Israeli equivalent of the wetbacks in the United States. Both governments want them there, to use as a tool to conquer and pacify the rightful population it is trying to control.
TRUE
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Please take your medicine.
Sure. Just explain to me, why you asking personal information from a certain person and then tell him to go away? Or i also making this up.
Great! Instead of answering a simple question regarding note he made about Torah he put himself "above" me, delete a message and then telling me about medicine, i always say that language barrier is major issue.
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Please take your medicine.
Sure. Just explain to me, why you asking personal information from a certain person and then tell him to go away? Or i also making this up.
Great! Instead of answering a simple question regarding note he made about Torah he put himself "above" me, delete a message and then telling me about medicine, i always say that language barrier is major issue.
I did not delete any messages you lying fraud.
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Please take your medicine.
Sure. Just explain to me, why you asking personal information from a certain person and then tell him to go away? Or i also making this up.
Great! Instead of answering a simple question regarding note he made about Torah he put himself "above" me, delete a message and then telling me about medicine, i always say that language barrier is major issue.
בס''ד
מה קרה בני? אף אחד לא רוצה לפגוע בך או להעליב אותך. אין שום בעיה עם האנגלית שלך. האנגלית שלך בסדר גמור. ואם היא לא בסדר, זה לא משנה כי עברית היא השפה החשובה לעם ישראל. אז בוא נשכח מכל זה ואנא הצטרף אלינו כאח. אין סיבה לריב. כולנו אחים
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my thoughts are that people with a Jewish family member who are technically gentiles (as prescribed by the law of return) should be allowed to be Israeli citizens as long as they take an oath of loyalty to Israel and The Jewish People, in both written and verbal form.
as for the Russians in Israel with no Jewish roots, they should be allowed to remain as non-voters as long as they obey the law and don't show any antisemitism.
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Most of the Russians in Israel aren't Jewish, they can get fraudulent papers in Moscow. It's been proven, they hate the Sephardic and Mizrahi the most.
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Most of the Russians in Israel aren't Jewish, they can get fraudulent papers in Moscow. It's been proven, they hate the Sephardic and Mizrahi the most.
The Israeli government looks the other way at this because Russians are useful for busting heads during ethnic cleansings of Judean patriot communities.
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Most of the Russians in Israel aren't Jewish, they can get fraudulent papers in Moscow. It's been proven, they hate the Sephardic and Mizrahi the most.
"Most?"
Where do you get that from? Do realize that "most" implies a majority. I highly doubt that considering how many Ashkenazi Jews in Israel are actually from various places in Russia. I think your estimation is off.
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"Most?"
Where do you get that from? Do realize that "most" implies a majority. I highly doubt that considering how many Ashkenazi Jews in Israel are actually from various places in Russia. I think your estimation is off.
He was referring to the Gentile Russians who have no business being there. They hate all Jews but obviously they would hate non-white Jews more because they stand out to them more. They wouldn't be able to tell, at a glance, Ashkenazim from white Gentiles.
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We should learn from the Chechens how to deal with Russian Gentile sub-human used whores and drinkers.
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Most of the Russians in Israel aren't Jewish, they can get fraudulent papers in Moscow. It's been proven, they hate the Sephardic and Mizrahi the most.
Bullcrap. Most Russian descent people in Israel are Jewish, but a big slice of them aren't and should be deported with the Arabs with whom their siding against the Jews.
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They wouldn't be able to tell, at a glance, Ashkenazim from white Gentiles.
Russian Gentile Nazis can tell Jews, of whatever descent, from KMs. You don't know Russian Gentiles.
But it's true they see non-Ashkenazi/Russian Jews as inferior because of their dominant skin color.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140537
The phenomena of anti-Semitism in Israel, once unthinkable, has become more common in recent years
There has been antisemitism in Israel since the creation of the State, against religious Jews, against survivors of the Shoah, against Mizrachi Jews... The left and the phoney right in Israel are antisemitic. The expulsions from Gush Katif were violent antisemitic acts.
As for these punks, they should be killed immediately.
fixed.
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Most of the Russians in Israel aren't Jewish, they can get fraudulent papers in Moscow. It's been proven, they hate the Sephardic and Mizrahi the most.
Speaking about who should be banned and who should not ^^. Such a "Professor" or a "Doctor" (as he call himself) will have no problem to add this "argument" to my name as well, ALL of it.
I really don`t know how to respond to this opinion of "innocent" man but i try. With hope that i will not be label as a "criminal" or something like that:
Good job
Gooooodddd joooobbbb
"Goooooooooootttttttttttt" job^^
I really don`t want to describe situations when good job becoming bad job. Think about the red button and figure out for youself.
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Now you can start calling me a troll.
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Russian Gentile Nazis can tell Jews, of whatever descent, from KMs. You don't know Russian Gentiles.
But it's true they see non-Ashkenazi/Russian Jews as inferior because of their dominant skin color.
How do you tell a Russian Jew from a regular Russian?
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Since we all here "brothers" and all equal (i love this word^^) i will use my right as a "brother" and give my respond to our dear "sister".
How do you tell a Russian Jew from a regular Russian?
That depends on who you asking. Russian Skinhead would say: "Its all about face and nose structure, i taught that in private "RusHitler-youth" school".
Tsabar (someone who born in Israel) would say: "Russian are all the same, they immigrated here and quickly "took the country" (high jobs and so on)".
You can use this information and add it to your "All Russian Israeli are left wingers" video collection).
I would say: "It depends on what he done for this country, based on hes actions he might be more Jewish than most who done nothing".
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Yeah because serving in the army makes a person "more" Jewish or Jewish at all.
By the way, Dr. Brennan Fan is a male.
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Yeah because serving in the army makes a person "more" Jewish or Jewish at all.
Well if you don`t understand, i can`t help you. My English is limited you know. By the way, where is grammar error check? Everytime you respond to me you should do it.
By the way, Dr. Brennan Fan is a male.
ooppppppsssssss!!!!!! "Not goooooottttt" I adress her..... i mean him like that because i was based on her- his account data. True and nothing but the true.
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Most of the Russian Jews are not halachically Jewish. The vast majority did not follow Judaism or have Jewish mothers. Many had a chance to convert when they made aliyah but remained secular, the vast majority wanted to follow reform beliefs and didn't even practice circumcision. Talk to most Russian Jews, I'm not talking about the westernized Russian Jews who descended from Russia then ended up relocating to the western countries, i'm referring to those who are currently moving from Russia who have literally no Jewish ancestry or follow Judaism in any way, shape, or form. There's a difference between the two, I'm not discriminating against Jews who happen to be from Russia, but Russians who pretend to be Jewish and move to Israel to use it for their criminal activities. I'm talking about the ones spraying swastikas on synagogues. Don't let your emotions cloud facts.
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The grammar error specialists are gone? how sad (said....sad....our.....your....yours....my.....mine...All mine... i own this room..). Sorry about that, its just my expirience with other "brothers" got out.
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Most of the Russian Jews are not halachically Jewish. The vast majority did not follow Judaism or have Jewish mothers. Many had a chance to convert when they made aliyah but remained secular, the vast majority wanted to follow reform beliefs and didn't even practice circumcision. Talk to most Russian Jews, I'm not talking about the westernized Russian Jews who descended from Russia then ended up relocating to the western countries, i'm referring to those who are currently moving from Russia who have literally no Jewish ancestry or follow Judaism in any way, shape, or form. There's a difference between the two, I'm not discriminating against Jews who happen to be from Russia, but Russians who pretend to be Jewish and move to Israel to use it for their criminal activities. I'm talking about the ones spraying swastikas on synagogues. Don't let your emotions cloud facts.
no, most russian jews are halachically Jewish
but it is true most of us are secularists (as i am) but we are more right wing than a lot of religious people.
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Most of the Russian Jews are not halachically Jewish
How do you explain the fact that in Russia there are Synagogues. Maybe they were build just for fun, or for nazis so they could later destroy them with "zig fail" salute. Or you going to use language barrier and deny that?
The vast majority did not follow Judaism or have Jewish mothers.
but Russians who pretend to be Jewish and move to Israel to use it for their criminal activities.
Based on what you came with such conclusions? We have also here "Tsabarim" who prase Nazism so maybe you can tell me something about it since you know this subject so well.
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Most of the Russian Jews are not halachically Jewish. The vast majority did not follow Judaism or have Jewish mothers.
Sorry, that's definitely not true about the majority
There are millions of real Jews who are of Russian descent. Your numbers are just off.
White Israelite, where do you get these ideas from? These are not the facts.
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I'm not talking about the westernized Russian Jews who descended from Russia then ended up relocating to the western countries, i'm referring to those who are currently moving from Russia who have literally no Jewish ancestry or follow Judaism in any way, shape, or form. There's a difference between the two, I'm not discriminating against Jews who happen to be from Russia, but Russians who pretend to be Jewish and move to Israel to use it for their criminal activities. I'm talking about the ones spraying swastikas on synagogues. Don't let your emotions cloud facts.
Both of these groups you refer to are known as "Russian Jews," so when you say 'majority of russian Jews' it's simply not true!
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who praIse Nazism :::D
A "criminal" activity in action (
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who praIse Nazism :::D
A "criminal" activity in action (
What are you talking about?
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who praIse Nazism :::D
A "criminal" activity in action (
What are you talking about?
Grammar error. I show everyone what kind of "criminal" i am.
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who praIse Nazism :::D
A "criminal" activity in action (
What are you talking about?
Grammar error. I show everyone what kind of "criminal" i am.
Don't believe I ever called you a criminal, so you should stop making yourself a martyr.
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This guy is just a riot.
KWRBT, I am pretty sure that White Israelite means the Gentile spouses of Russian Jews who call themselves Jewish but have never converted and the like. There are many of those.
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Most of the Russian Jews are not halachically Jewish. The vast majority did not follow Judaism or have Jewish mothers. Many had a chance to convert when they made aliyah but remained secular, the vast majority wanted to follow reform beliefs and didn't even practice circumcision. Talk to most Russian Jews, I'm not talking about the westernized Russian Jews who descended from Russia then ended up relocating to the western countries, i'm referring to those who are currently moving from Russia who have literally no Jewish ancestry or follow Judaism in any way, shape, or form. There's a difference between the two, I'm not discriminating against Jews who happen to be from Russia, but Russians who pretend to be Jewish and move to Israel to use it for their criminal activities. I'm talking about the ones spraying swastikas on synagogues. Don't let your emotions cloud facts.
What a load of bullcrap. THE MAJORITY of Russian Jews (including me and my family) are Halachically Jewish. I don't know where you got these "statistics" from.
There are a couple of hundreds of thousands Russian Gentile Nazis who invaded Israel and some of them are considered "Jewish" because they have a Jewish grandparent/spouse or because they've been through "quick conversion". But THE MAJORITY of Russian-descent people in Israel are Jewish (thank G-D, the Soviet Jewry was liberated in time, otherwise it would end up like the American Jewry) and thinking otherwise is plain retardness and literally insane.
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This guy is just a riot.
KWRBT, I am pretty sure that White Israelite means the Gentile spouses of Russian Jews who call themselves Jewish but have never converted and the like. There are many of those.
He clarified what he meant, and it's not what you just said. He's simply incorrect. I don't know where he gets this "statistic" from.
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Based on conclusions of "brothers" on this "forum" my grammar errors means that i am in fact "not" Israeli and as a "Majority" of Russians who made "Alya" a part of their "criminal" activity. The "Minority" of Israeli jews are Grammar Fix-ers specialists who "treat" everyone as equal, white and black. Who i am to argue with "Doctor-s" opinions.
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Once again, what I said was taken out of context, when I refer to "Russian Jews" I am referring to what the Israeli government considers "Jewish" not the Chief Rabbinite, for all purposes under Secular Israeli Law, anybody with a Jewish grandparent for census purposes is regarded Jewish for citizenship purposes (under Israeli law) hence how so many Ethiopians and other various ethnic groups are counted as Jewish despite not having a Jewish mother. There is a difference with a Russian Jew who has a Jewish mother and is recognized by the Chief Rabbinite and one who is Russian with one Jewish grandparent and is considered "Jewish" by the secular Israeli government.
I am not disregarding Russian Jews that are halachically Jewish, I am speaking about those with a Jewish grandparent who are "recognized" as "Jewish" under "secular Israeli law".
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Once again, what I said was taken out of context, when I refer to "Russian Jews" I am referring to what the Israeli government considers "Jewish" not the Chief Rabbinite, for all purposes under Secular Israeli Law, anybody with a Jewish grandparent for census purposes is regarded Jewish for citizenship purposes (under Israeli law)
Despite whatever standards there are, MOST Russian Jews in Israel ARE Jewish by the real standard which is that of Judaism (there is no other valid standard). None of us are ever talking about the phony israeli govt standard when we say that most Russian Jews in Israel are really Jewish. We are talking about really being Jews. And you are saying that most are really NOT Jews but only Jews by the standards of secular Israeli law. But this is not true. Maybe you were misinformed.
hence how so many Ethiopians and other various ethnic groups are counted as Jewish despite not having a Jewish mother.
This is complete BS. Ethiopians have the same criteria as everyone else. The biggest rabbis including Rabbi Moshe Feinstein declared that they were real Jews. Your "data" (or misconceptions) are simply wrong.
There is a difference with a Russian Jew who has a Jewish mother and is recognized by the Chief Rabbinite and one who is Russian with one Jewish grandparent and is considered "Jewish" by the secular Israeli government.
Yeah there is a difference, but we're talking about real, actual Jews who have a Jewish mother (or real convert) but MOST of the Russian Jews in Israel are REAL actual Jews, not the phony pseudo-jewish as defined by israeli law.
I am not disregarding Russian Jews that are halachically Jewish,
Actually, you are disregarding them because you are asserting that the majority of them are not really Jewish, but they are.
I am speaking about those with a Jewish grandparent who are "recognized" as "Jewish" under "secular Israeli law".
But you are referring to them all as "Russian Jews!" You are saying the majority of Russian Jews are these fakers you just described with one jewish grandparent. But it's not true. And if you're now trying to claim that you were only saying that the majority of the fakers are fakers, that doesn't make any sense at all. all fakers are fakers and all real Jews are real Jews.
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hence how so many Ethiopians and other various ethnic groups are counted as Jewish despite not having a Jewish mother.
"Once again, what I said was taken out of context"
So you started talking about Russians Jews who apparently not Jewish, not Halachically Jews and by the majority also don`t have a Jewish mother. Now you bring Ethiopians who also don`t have a Jewish mother. Can you describe on based of what you came with such conclusions? By using words "Russian" and "Ethiopian" your build your argument on all those Israeli citizens as far as i understood.
Now "Doctor" Brennan Fan came and start defend your words by saying:
KWRBT, I am pretty sure that White Israelite means the Gentile spouses of Russian Jews who call themselves Jewish but have never converted and the like. There are many of those
So judging by that statement nationality ..(race) can be converted? Who i am to argue. I am the one with language barrier and grammar errors. Can "Doctor" also convert nationality? If so we can start mass conversion online. I feel the power of the mind already! I "as a son of (not so) Haim" (according to his words in Hebrew) never expect that my "brothers" are so powerful. Just wow!!
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Jews are religio-nation, Torah is what defines Jewishness and according to the Torah, a Jew is not necessarily he who was born to a Jewish mother but also one who sincerely converted through valid Torah Judaism conversion (Orthodox, though some "Orthodox" Rabbis use their titles in order to destroy Torah Judaism, among them "Rabbis" who help hundreds of thousands of Gentiles to mark V under the Jewishness clause by organizing mass "conversions, and thus are worse than both Hitler and Paraoh) - a Ger Tzedek.
The only ones who considered Judaism a race were the Nazis.
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Jews are religio-nation, Torah is what defines Jewishness and according to the Torah, a Jew is not necessarily he who was born to a Jewish mother but also one who sincerely converted through valid Torah Judaism conversion (Orthodox, though some "Orthodox" Rabbis use their titles in order to destroy Torah Judaism, among them "Rabbis" who help hundreds of thousands of Gentiles to mark V under the Jewishness clause by organizing mass "conversions, and thus are worse than both Hitler and Paraoh) - a Ger Tzedek.
The only ones who considered Judaism a race were the Nazis.
The nazis considered Jews as a race! Do you really think they walk around and ask us if we religios or not? The answer is NO! Jews are not "religion nation", Jews are a nation, Judaism is religion! What are you talking about here!?!
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Jews are religio-nation, Torah is what defines Jewishness and according to the Torah, a Jew is not necessarily he who was born to a Jewish mother but also one who sincerely converted through valid Torah Judaism conversion (Orthodox, though some "Orthodox" Rabbis use their titles in order to destroy Torah Judaism, among them "Rabbis" who help hundreds of thousands of Gentiles to mark V under the Jewishness clause by organizing mass "conversions, and thus are worse than both Hitler and Paraoh) - a Ger Tzedek.
The only ones who considered Judaism a race were the Nazis.
The nazis considered Jews as a race! Do you really think they walk around and ask us if we religios or not? The answer is NO! Jews are not "religion nation", Jews are a nation, Judaism is religion! What are you talking about here!?!
That's where you're mistaken. Jewish identity has always been based on a combination of RELIGION and NATION. It's both, and not one without the other. Now it is time for you to learn our true history and not the lies that have been sold to you by the Israeli govt, the gentile nations, and your school teachers. What the nazis call us is irrelevant. How they define us is irrelevant. We SELF-DEFINE, like any group does. And our self-definition has always been either being born from a Jewish mother or a convert. Anything else, not Jewish. Like all nations, we have standards for an outsider to join us, and those standards are defined by Judaism - they involve conversion - anything else is not valid.
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That's where you're mistaken. Jewish identity has always been based on a combination of RELIGION and NATION. It's both, and not one without the other. Now it is time for you to learn our true history and not the lies that have been sold to you by the Israeli govt, the gentile nations, and your school teachers. What the nazis call us is irrelevant. How they define us is irrelevant. We SELF-DEFINE, like any group does. And our self-definition has always been either being born from a Jewish mother or a convert. Anything else, not Jewish. Like all nations, we have standards for an outsider to join us, and those standards are defined by Judaism - they involve conversion - anything else is not valid.
Self definition is not just one book, its many books and what we manage to achive based not just on one book. The "return after exile", establishment of the jewish state and so on..
Like all nations, we have standards for an outsider to join us, and those standards are defined by Judaism - they involve conversion
I don`t think you correct with this statement, outsiders can join on terms which based on Judaism but that not involving conversion as far as i know. Convertion its a free choise, unless you can explain to me what exactly you mean.
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Jews are religio-nation, Torah is what defines Jewishness and according to the Torah, a Jew is not necessarily he who was born to a Jewish mother but also one who sincerely converted through valid Torah Judaism conversion (Orthodox, though some "Orthodox" Rabbis use their titles in order to destroy Torah Judaism, among them "Rabbis" who help hundreds of thousands of Gentiles to mark V under the Jewishness clause by organizing mass "conversions, and thus are worse than both Hitler and Paraoh) - a Ger Tzedek.
The only ones who considered Judaism a race were the Nazis.
The nazis considered Jews as a race! Do you really think they walk around and ask us if we religios or not? The answer is NO! Jews are not "religion nation", Jews are a nation, Judaism is religion! What are you talking about here!?!
The Germans also considered us sub-humans that need to be murdered. Who cares what the Nazis considered us? G-d's Holy Torah (Judaism) is what defines Jewishness, not Adolf Hitler.
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The Germans also considered us sub-humans that need to be murdered. Who cares what the Nazis considered us? G-d's Holy Torah (Judaism) is what defines Jewishness, not Adolf Hitler.
No my "brother", that what defines us as a different group and not primarily as a nationality. Your way of life is what you can chose for yourself, your nationality is something that you (lets just say) born with and can not change. If your mother (for example) Jewish, you can`t replace her by a decision to follow something that is not Judaism.