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Pope's New Position On Condom Use Causes Mass Confusion
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_pope_condoms
Once again I love and respect all the good and righteous Catholics in the world, especially those at JTF, but I can't say that I am very happy with their leadership right now. The RCC, which for centuries has called the death of even a single sperm cell a grave sin, has finally decided to kowtow to the world Nazi left in order to appease the faggot and negro lobbies.
The pontiff could have used his tremendous reach and influence to condemn sodomy and indiscriminate mating and IV drug use, but instead he chooses to bend to the forces of the politically-correct NWO thought police, just like he did before on immigration, Israel, and too many other issues to list.
DBF
Pope's remarks on condoms sow widespread confusion
By TOM BREEN and RACHEL ZOLL, Associated Press
– 53 mins ago
RALEIGH, N.C. – Some Roman Catholics are confused. Some are angry. Others just don't believe the pope meant what it seems he said.
Days after the release of Pope Benedict XVI's comments that condoms can be justified to prevent the spread of HIV, there is widespread confusion about exactly what he was trying to say. The remarks have put some of the strictest defenders of church teachings in the awkward position of potentially disagreeing with the pontiff.
Many church officials worldwide have been conspicuously silent. Some bishops are even seeking clarification from the Vatican.
"It's a mess," said John Haas, president of the National Catholic Bioethics Center in Philadelphia, which advises church leaders, hospitals and Vatican offices. "I'm not ready to say that the pope said what (papal spokesman Rev. Frederico) Lombardi said."
On a practical level, most Catholic-affiliated charities that minister to people at high risk of contracting AIDS are unlikely to make changes anytime soon.
Haas, also a moral theologian, said he fielded calls all day Tuesday from confused bishops. Benedict's comments come at a time when American bishops are focused on upholding Catholic orthodoxy on marriage and sexuality.
"It's important to recognize this is not some blanket opening of the door for married people to use artificial birth control," said Mark Silk, director of the Leonard Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.
In some heavily Catholic nations, church leaders have avoided discussing the matter. In Spain, Cardinal Antonio Maria Rouco Varela made no mention of the pope's statements during a meeting of the Spanish Bishops' Conference.
When pressed by reporters, only Cardinal Carlos Amigo responded. Church leaders, he said, would have to read the book carefully first.
In the Andes region of South America, there appeared to be few mentions of the pope in news media, and his remarks were not mentioned in services at several Masses attended by Associated Press reporters.
The National Conference of Brazilian Bishops said it would not comment. Brazil has one of the world's most advanced anti-AIDS programs, and the government distributes more than 200 million free condoms each year, especially during Carnival.
The Brazilian church has officially opposed the distribution of condoms, but historically has done little to stop it.
The U.S. Conference on Catholic Bishops has not issued a statement and referred questions to the Vatican.
The uproar is over comments Benedict made in a new book titled "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times." In an exchange with the author about AIDS in Africa, Benedict said that for some people, such as male prostitutes, using condoms could be a step in assuming moral responsibility because the intent is to "reduce the risk of infection."
At a news conference Tuesday in Rome, Lombardi said Benedict knew his comments would provoke intense debate, and that the pope meant for his remarks to apply not just to male prostitutes, but also "if you're a man, a woman, or a transsexual."
The pope did not suggest using condoms as birth control, which is banned by the Roman Catholic Church, and he said condoms were not a "real or moral solution" to the AIDS crisis. Catholic teaching has never totally barred condom use for protection against HIV, and the Vatican has no official policy on the issue.
Larry Barkowski, a lifelong Catholic and married father of three from the Pittsburgh suburb of Natrona Heights, doesn't believe the comments constitute anything new.
"The popes have always promulgated responsible parenthood and responsible sexuality, and this is just a continuation of that. This is really nothing new other than the fact that he addressed the actual use of the condom, which has been something of a taboo," Barkowski said.
Catholic groups who minister to AIDS sufferers and those at high risk of contracting HIV agreed that the pope's remarks — and the rival interpretations of them — leave long-standing practices in place.
The Archdiocese of Los Angeles began what is likely the first U.S. Catholic AIDS ministry in 1986. The Rev. Chris Ponnet, who directs HIV and AIDS outreach efforts, said the pope's comments do not mean a change in doctrine or in practice. Catholic outreach groups are not going to start distributing condoms, he said, adding that a singular focus on condoms ignores the roots of the problem.
"Consistently, the church has called for faithfulness in marriage and for people not to use intravenous drugs, and that's proven wise counsel," he said.
Ponnet sees Benedict's remarks as directly addressing parts of the world where HIV and AIDS infection rates are far higher than in the United States.
"I see this as not breaking any new ground, necessarily," he said. "I hear the holy father responding to that pastoral concern that's come from the grass roots as well as bodies of bishops in sub-Sahara Africa."
Catholic Relief Services, a global humanitarian agency headquartered in the U.S., has also been providing HIV and AIDS care and education for more than two decades. The group has AIDS-related programs in 62 countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America, spending more than $170 million on the projects in 2009.
As long as official Catholic teaching condemns the use of condoms, the relief agency will follow that guidance, spokesman Michael Hill said.
"Catholic Relief Services follows the teaching of the Catholic Church," he said. "Our current policy holds that we do not purchase, distribute or promote the use of condoms."
The pope's comments in a book interview do not amount to an official teaching, a point conservative Catholics have made repeatedly. They argued that the pope was only noting that by using a condom, a person with HIV is displaying some moral sense about the consequences of his behavior.
"I maintain that nothing new has happened, that the church's teaching hasn't changed," said the Rev. Joseph Fessio of Ignatius Press, the English publisher of the book, in a phone interview from Rome.
"We're in for a long period of confusion," said Russell Shaw, a writer for the Catholic publication Our Sunday Visitor and a former spokesman for the U.S. bishops' conference. "The bishops — and clergy especially — will have to go home now to their own dioceses and, whether they like it or not, start speaking very clearly about what just happened."
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The RCC is no religious, but a political organization.
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The RCC, which for centuries has called the death of even a single sperm cell a grave sin, has finally decided to kowtow to the world Nazi left in order to appease the faggot and negro lobbies.
Um, are you really trying to claim that the death of a sperm cell is a sin and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "faggot" or "negro" and/or assisting their lobbies? That is just plain nuts. Sperm cells die naturally every day to no fault of their owner.
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No. I am trying to say that the Roman Catholic Church is willing to discard a tenet it has held for centuries in order to appease the gay lobby.
I never have agreed that contraception is bad. I just think what the pontiff has done is whorish.
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No. I am trying to say that the Roman Catholic Church is willing to discard a tenet it has held for centuries in order to appease the gay lobby.
I never have agreed that contraception is bad. I just think what the pontiff has done is whorish.
Thats what happens when he Pontificates...
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
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These African nations have a sub 40 life expectancy with or without AIDS anyway. Hakuna matata.
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
I guess he tossed them into the mix for good measure :::D I guess in order to be a fully accredited "disgusting genocidal organization" a few muslims need to be killed and abuse along with all the others.
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.
I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.
I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.
You should write a book... "My World And Welcome To It" or even better "Why The RCC Is Even More Vile then Islam" You made me laugh this morning my friend :::D Have a great day ;)
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Catholicism is worse than Islam and Muslims are victims of genocide? ::)
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.
I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.
As a Catholic myself I just found your statement to be extremely offensive. Who is raping children?? Gay pedophile and mass murdering beasts? Exactly who are your referring to and how dare you mix Catholics anywhere with the Muslims. Muslims are victims? What are you one yourself???
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I just think he is a brainwashed, politically-correct product of mainstream education systems.
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To go back to the topic of this thread.. In all fairness. Wide spread AIDS is all over the 3rd world for example, they get their diseases and we end up sending millions some times billions to these countries for medical.
That is 1 example.
2. And in many 3rd world they are reproducing by the hordes amount, countries where they are very poor no way of feeding or caring and again we send in billions. This also includes this country. We will never be able to control the world's behavior in reproduction or sexual activity, but I can understand Dr. Brennan's thoughts but try to also understand this.. Where do these third world countries call into to help them and we just pour that money to the point we don't have anymore.. Obama is ready to send 15 Million to Aids people in Africa. They are also getting heavily populated and the civilized world's population has shrunk. Look at Muslims alone how they produce.. the mother who is really a girl begins when she is 11 years old to produce the world's killers in another 18 years.
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I just think he is a brainwashed, politically-correct product of mainstream education systems.
Ugh a leftist?
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To go back to the topic of this thread.. In all fairness. Wide spread AIDS is all over the 3rd world for example, they get their diseases and we end up sending millions some times billions to these countries for medical.
That is 1 example.
2. And in many 3rd world they are reproducing by the hordes amount, countries where they are very poor no way of feeding or caring and again we send in billions. This also includes this country. We will never be able to control the world's behavior in reproduction or sexual activity, but I can understand Dr. Brennan's thoughts but try to also understand this.. Where do these third world countries call into to help them and we just pour that money to the point we don't have anymore.. Obama is ready to send 15 Million to Aids people in Africa. They are also getting heavily populated and the civilized world's population has shrunk. Look at Muslims alone how they produce.. the mother who is really a girl begins when she is 11 years old to produce the world's killers in another 18 years.
I'd just like the Vatican to stand up and say what everybody knows--that the teeming millions in Africa, and the filthy sodomite faggots in our own country, all have AIDS by their own doing.
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To go back to the topic of this thread.. In all fairness. Wide spread AIDS is all over the 3rd world for example, they get their diseases and we end up sending millions some times billions to these countries for medical.
That is 1 example.
2. And in many 3rd world they are reproducing by the hordes amount, countries where they are very poor no way of feeding or caring and again we send in billions. This also includes this country. We will never be able to control the world's behavior in reproduction or sexual activity, but I can understand Dr. Brennan's thoughts but try to also understand this.. Where do these third world countries call into to help them and we just pour that money to the point we don't have anymore.. Obama is ready to send 15 Million to Aids people in Africa. They are also getting heavily populated and the civilized world's population has shrunk. Look at Muslims alone how they produce.. the mother who is really a girl begins when she is 11 years old to produce the world's killers in another 18 years.
I'd just like the Vatican to stand up and say what everybody knows--that the teeming millions in Africa, and the filthy sodomite faggots in our own country, all have AIDS by their own doing.
And we are ending up flipping the bill for them. The Vatican may have its wrong approach about this, but my approach is to try to lower the world's disease count that we don't just keep shelling out billions is not a bad thing I would end up encouraging, I think we are all tired of spending like crazy for it is from their doing but we end up paying for.
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The Vatican should say that these animals don't deserve any treatment.
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The Vatican should say that these animals don't deserve any treatment.
I doubt there will ever be a world figure to ever say that unfortunately
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I just think he is a brainwashed, politically-correct product of mainstream education systems.
Ugh a leftist?
No, I don't think so... Read the persons prior posts and you will quickly see the source of it's venom... The Vatican comes out with some crazy stuff from time to time however on this issue they did the right thing... If it cuts down on the disease and unwanted births in troubled parts of the world so much the better...
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I just think he is a brainwashed, politically-correct product of mainstream education systems.
Ugh a leftist?
No, I don't think so... Read the persons prior posts and you will quickly see the source of it's venom... The Vatican comes out with some crazy stuff from time to time however on this issue they did the right thing... If it cuts down on the disease and unwanted births in troubled parts of the world so much the better...
Look at our own country.. the % of STD is higher with blacks and Hispanics and a great deal of Whites too, and then they rely on the government well really all of us to help pay for them. Take a good look at a city say San Fransicko all the rituals that go on in that city
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Catholicism is worse than Islam and Muslims are victims of genocide? ::)
Muslims can't be victims of anything, because no measure against Muslims is too hard and sufficient. The same applies to Nazis as well. Plus I don't care who is going after them, because imo this is irrelevant.
Of cause DBF is right here.
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Apparently Sox is a Serb. I can understand his issues with the Vatican, but Islam has done much more to murder Serbs than Catholicism.
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Apparently Sox is a Serb. I can understand his issues with the Vatican, but Islam has done much more to murder Serbs than Catholicism.
Of cause the RCC is a wicked organization. I totally agree with this point. But I have to puke if I hear the word Muslim and victim together.
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By counting the muslamics among the victims, the case gets diluted.
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By counting the muslamics among the victims, the case gets diluted.
Even throwing Muslims into crematoria alive is too humane for them. (I give that example because that is what they fantasize about doing to 5 1/2 million Jews.)
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.
I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.
You should write a book... "My World And Welcome To It" or even better "Why The RCC Is Even More Vile then Islam" You made me laugh this morning my friend :::D Have a great day ;)
Truth hurts, no? I see them as twin evils. RCC are the smart ones and Islam are the dumb but more fanatical ones. Islam does the RCC's dirty work when it kills Jews and Orthodox Christians, but sometimes it "gets out of hand," i.e. Spain, Crusades, Siege of Vienna. Generally, they work together.
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Why do you feel bad for any Muslims?
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.
I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.
As a Catholic myself I just found your statement to be extremely offensive. Who is raping children?? Gay pedophile and mass murdering beasts? Exactly who are your referring to and how dare you mix Catholics anywhere with the Muslims. Muslims are victims? What are you one yourself???
Catholic priests and monks rape Catholic children. It happened in the US, Ireland, Holland, Germany, everywhere. The RCC goes mass murdering beserk when wars happen. Then it all comes loose and their priests make sermons against "schismatics" and "heretics" and "evil Jews" while they cut peoples throats and throw them into pits.
I am not saying Muslims are victims IN GENERAL. I just said that the henchmen of the RCC did kill Muslim children, women, etc. during the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. That is a fact. It doesn't mean I like Muslims at all.
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I just think he is a brainwashed, politically-correct product of mainstream education systems.
Ugh a leftist?
I am neither left nor right. You cannot easily categorize my political views.
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By counting the muslamics among the victims, the case gets diluted.
Even throwing Muslims into crematoria alive is too humane for them. (I give that example because that is what they fantasize about doing to 5 1/2 million Jews.)
See, I can't agree with this. I think Islam is vile but I don't want hundreds of millions of Muslims to be killed. I want them to stop being Muslims!
I would not support having all the Germans killed after WWII, despite the horror that the Nazis did.
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Sox I would also like them to stop being Muslims. Unfortunately that will be almost impossible. I hope for a miracle to where they decide that Islam is a dirty, evil cult and leave it en masse.
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Sox I would also like them to stop being Muslims. Unfortunately that will be almost impossible. I hope for a miracle to where they decide that Islam is a dirty, evil cult and leave it en masse.
Islam and Roman Catholicism are ideologies, just like Communism and National Socialism. It is not a race or an ethnicity. They can choose to leave their sick religion. The question is: how can they be convinced that it is sick?
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Sox, some Catholics are very good people. Some Germans, albeit very few, are too. No Muslims are.
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With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.
And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.
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With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.
And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.
Yes of course we acknowledge these atrocities, but we can't just say that all of Catholicism or all of Orthodoxy are like Islam.
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With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.
And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.
Yes of course we acknowledge these atrocities, but we can't just say that all of Catholicism or all of Orthodoxy are like Islam.
DBF, did you miss the first paragraph I wrote: With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.
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With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.
And Orthodox Christians have a choice too, and not all of them were as decent as the Serbs. Orthodox Christianity has its fair share of atrocities against Jews. Ever since the Russian empire and their Cossacks annexed Jewish populated lands in Europe they have been massacring and persecuting the Jewish people. And during the Holocaust, the Nazis had significant support amongst Orthodox nations, especially- In the Ukraine, Romania and the Baltic countries.
Yes of course we acknowledge these atrocities, but we can't just say that all of Catholicism or all of Orthodoxy are like Islam.
DBF, did you miss the first paragraph I wrote: With Islam, waging war and repression comes directly from the mouth of their "prophet". Catholics are not muslims, they have a choice to do evil or good.
I got it, I was just emphasizing that.
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Apparently Sox is a Serb. I can understand his issues with the Vatican, but Islam has done much more to murder Serbs than Catholicism.
Um the biggest genocide against Serbs was committed by the Catholic Croats and the Vatican during WW2.
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The RCC is a disgusting genocidal organization. Horrific persecution against Jews and Protestants and Orthodox Christians and even Muslims throughout history. Possibly even genocide against Jews (depending on how much the Nazis represented Catholic interests, many of them had Catholic roots) and definitely genocide against Orthodox Christians (WWII Croatia). It's a filthy organization full of gay pedophiles and mass-murdering beasts. Their views on condoms are irrelevant when they rape naive children (of their own parishoners!) during peacetime and exterminate "enemy" people during wartime.
... How can Muslims be "victims" of anything?
During the Crusades, Catholics killed Jews, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians. Ditto (sans Orthodox) for the Spanish Inquisition, in which both Jews and Muslims were killed.
I think Islam is just as filthy as the RCC, but I won't shy from the truth. Believe it or not, the RCC is even more vile than Islam.
You should write a book... "My World And Welcome To It" or even better "Why The RCC Is Even More Vile then Islam" You made me laugh this morning my friend :::D Have a great day ;)
Truth hurts, no? I see them as twin evils. RCC are the smart ones and Islam are the dumb but more fanatical ones. Islam does the RCC's dirty work when it kills Jews and Orthodox Christians, but sometimes it "gets out of hand," i.e. Spain, Crusades, Siege of Vienna. Generally, they work together.
Yes the RCC has committed a lot of atrocities throughout its history but please understand that there are a lot of righteous Catholics. The catholic members of this forum are good people and they're well aware of it. They don't want to have those facts constantly shoved down their throats.
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Apparently Sox is a Serb. I can understand his issues with the Vatican, but Islam has done much more to murder Serbs than Catholicism.
Um the biggest genocide against Serbs was committed by the Catholic Croats and the Vatican during WW2.
I was counting the Islamic conquests and jihads from the 800s on through the present. Yes the Ustasha genocide was the largest single one but Islam has attacked the Serbs over a longer stretch of time.
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You guys, I can certainly understand people here disliking the Roman Catholic Church.
But please let's be careful not to start bashing all Catholics. We have wonderful Catholic members like Masterwolf, Bullcat3, CJD and Italian Zionist, who have been with us on this forum from the beginning.
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You guys, I can certainly understand people here disliking the Roman Catholic Church.
But please let's be careful not to start bashing all Catholics. We have wonderful Catholic members like Masterwolf, Bullcat3, CJD and Italian Zionist, who have been with us on this forum from the beginning.
I thought I tried really hard not to do that.
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No matter the religion or race we should hope to be able to do to antisemites what they want to do to us.
As far as condom use dbf and mw both bring up good points.
On another note while I might be against most abortions I'm not sure if I should be against them when evil people do it.
Also, Lisa, I think cjd is Jewish and not catholic.
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I think babies should not be blamed for the sins of their parents. Just because a baby has evil parents doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered.
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I think babies should not be blamed for the sins of their parents. Just because a baby has evil parents doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered.
It's a justified point of view that I don't have the right answer for.
When is it a baby? For sure once it's born, it's definitely a baby. If is is just fertilized, is it a baby?
I believe also that all peoples have a chance to gain forgiveness. So I don't know who will ever remain hopelessly evil or who will change for the good.
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I think babies should not be blamed for the sins of their parents. Just because a baby has evil parents doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered.
It's a justified point of view that I don't have the right answer for.
When is it a baby? For sure once it's born, it's definitely a baby. If is is just fertilized, is it a baby?
I believe also that all peoples have a chance to gain forgiveness. So I don't know who will ever remain hopelessly evil or who will change for the good.
This is a very difficult dilemma which we cannot fully fathom because only Hashem knows everything. Hashem knows why the good die young and the old prosper. We certainly do not have the ability to understand the reason for suffering in this world. But we try as best we can to understand a little.
The Torah does teach that children do bear some sin as a result of the actions of their parents. This should be obvious to a religious Jew when he reads the second commandment of the Ten Commandments:
"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, nor any manner of likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them. For I the Lord your G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children of the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments."
But we also believe that FREE WILL is the 'prime directive' which Hashem works with. That each and every human soul has the ability to decide good from evil and make the correct choice. So there seems to be a combination of pre-destiny and free-will going on.... I do not claim to understand...
Because of FREE WILL the opportunity for Jews to do Teshuva {Repentence/Return} exists. So even a wicked person can wake up one day and decide that he has done wrong, and makes a vow to change his ways, and works on character traits to the point he has perfected his soul.