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Wikileaks Removed From Amazon.com Servers Following Congressional Pressure
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/WikiLeaks-site-kicked-off-apf-2762807500.html?x=0
Granted--Julian Assange is a filthy Muzzie-loving pig, but since he is exposing just how Jew-hating the world (and United States) are, he is doing a good thing and the Nazis of the world, including Semitic ones such as Pruneface (ys), hate him for it.
DBF
WikiLeaks site kicked off Amazon's servers
Peter Svensson, AP Technology Writer,
On Wednesday December 1, 2010, 3:17 pm
NEW YORK (AP) -- WikiLeaks says Amazon.com kicked its website from its servers, forcing the site to move back to a Swedish provider.
Sen. Joe Leiberman says the move by Amazon.com Inc. comes after congressional staffers called the company Tuesday to inquire about its relationship with WikiLeaks.
The site, which just released a trove of sensitive U.S. State Department documents, took up residence on Amazon's self-service Web servers after a rash of Internet-based attacks started Sunday against its Swedish host, Bahnhof.
The attacks made access to the site a hit and miss affair. The site was also unavailable for hours on Wednesday, as Amazon's servers stopped responding to requests.
Amazon.com would not comment on its relationship with WikiLeaks.
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I find it odd that you single out Lieberman... Many have spoken out against Wikileaks... And I too am against Wikileaks. I think it was very, very wrong of them to release these secret documents. When I was young they used to hang traitors like Assflange...
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Now will you curse this one also:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html
Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group
The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says WikiLeaks should be officially designated as a terrorist organization.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the panel's presumptive next head, asked the Obama administration today to "determine whether WikiLeaks could be designated a foreign terrorist organization," putting the group in the same company as al-Qaeda and Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese cult that released deadly sarin gas on the Tokyo subway.
"WikiLeaks appears to meet the legal criteria" of a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, King wrote in a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reviewed by CNET. He added: "WikiLeaks presents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States."
King's letter was prompted by a massive document dump totaling more than 250,000 State Department diplomatic cables, which WikiLeaks gave in advance to news organizations, including Germany's Der Spiegel and Spain's El Pais, and that began appearing on the Internet this morning. The White House has condemned the release, which Der Spiegel called "nothing short of a political meltdown for U.S. foreign policy."
King also wrote separately to Attorney General Eric Holder, asking him to "criminally charge WikiLeaks activist Julian Assange under the Espionage Act" for conspiracy to disclose classified information. The Espionage Act makes it illegal to disclose "information relating to the national defense" if that information could be used "to the injury of the United States." (See previous CNET article.)
If the State Department adds WikiLeaks to the terror list, one effect would be to prohibit U.S. banks from processing payments to the group. WikiLeaks currently takes donations through PayPal, bank transfers, and Visa and Mastercard payments.
Another would be to trigger the punitive measures included in the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, which made it a federal felony to provide "material support or resources" to a terrorist organization. That would likely dry up support from U.S.-based volunteers for WikiLeaks--one volunteer has been detained and released at the border already--and curb the group's options for Web hosting services. (Both Wikileaks.org and Cablegate.WikLeaks.org are currently hosted, in part, on Amazon.com servers in the United States.)
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html#ixzz16taEArE4
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What happened to your promise to forever ignore my posts?
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What happened to your promise to forever ignore my posts?
When you spread deceit I will speak up... The fact that Lieberman is against the Wikileaks speaks nothing about him being a Kapo and does not rise to the level of cursing him.
It is easy for a non-Jew to curse Jews... While Lieberman is not perfect he is not doing anything wrong by opposing the Wikileaks. It was a violation of law, hurt the ability of this country to negotiate on the world stage, and rises to the level of criminal action against America. I think Assflange should be executed.
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When you spread deceit I will speak up... The fact that Lieberman is against the Wikileaks speaks nothing about him being a Kapo and does not rise to the level of cursing him.
It is easy for a non-Jew to curse Jews... While Lieberman is not perfect he is not doing anything wrong by opposing the Wikileaks. It was a violation of law, hurt the ability of this country to negotiate on the world stage, and rises to the level of criminal action against America. I think Assflange should be executed.
So... it is a lie that Lieberman is against Wikileaks? Please substantiate yourself. Either Yahoo is engaged in a conspiracy to plant stories that make Lieberman look bad or Lieberman did indeed demand that Amazon pull Wikileaks. Since I believe in the principle of Occam's Razor (the notion that the simplest explanation is always the best), I think it's more likely that Lieberman did indeed do what the Yahoo bulletin claims.
Now, you were saying?
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PS some evidence that Lieberman is a decent Jew, or even a halfways okay human being, would also be appreciated. Thanks! :)
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I am not defending Lieberman here. He is to be rebuked for his stand on the Pollard matter, amongst other issues which he has done wrong. But as a Jew I find it difficult to curse him because of the laws of Lashon Hara and because I believe that he may do repentence eventually.
He is against Wikileaks. That is clear. I am against Wikileaks... I dont think he is against it for the reason you suggested. I think he is against it because the entire American government is against them for the reason it makes America look goofy on the world stage.
Americas image has been badly damaged. Obama has really depreciated America in the eyes of the world. Now with this embarassing leak of documents, nobody can trust us... What I have read of the leaks did not reveal anything which I already did not know {Saudi Arabia is for neutralizing Iran, etc.}... But the fact that secret documents from our government can be posted on the internet is very troubling.
What I suggest is decietful is to claim that Lieberman did this in order to cover-up the administrations antisemitism. I do not think that is the reason for his statement. As I said before, it is the administrations position... And as I posted even Republican congress members also support prosecuting Wikileaks...
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I am not defending Lieberman here. He is to be rebuked for his stand on the Pollard matter, amongst other issues which he has done wrong. But as a Jew I find it difficult to curse him because of the laws of Lashon Hara and because I believe that he may do repentence eventually.
He is against Wikileaks. That is clear. I am against Wikileaks... I dont think he is against it for the reason you suggested. I think he is against it because the entire American government is against them for the reason it makes America look goofy on the world stage.
Americas image has been badly damaged. Obama has really depreciated America in the eyes of the world. Now with this embarassing leak of documents, nobody can trust us... What I have read of the leaks did not reveal anything which I already did not know {Saudi Arabia is for neutralizing Iran, etc.}... But the fact that secret documents from our government can be posted on the internet is very troubling.
What I suggest is decietful is to claim that Lieberman did this in order to cover-up the administrations antisemitism. I do not think that is the reason for his statement. As I said before, it is the administrations position... And as I posted even Republican congress members also support prosecuting Wikileaks...
Is this what JTF is these days--mounting knee-jerk defenses of evil, traitor persons who unfortunately are of Semitic descent who stab good Jews in the back and who fight ceaselessly for the vivisection of their country? Is this the JTF or the MTF? Tell you what, the moment that the MTF is launched, you have my solemn pledge (unlike the pledge to refrain from knee-jerk reactions to my posts) not to interfere with it in any way.
I believe that the Jews of this forum have explained repeatedly that Judaism calls for praying for the destruction of traitors like Lieberman three times a day. Would you still defend the Jewish Hitler Pruneface (yimach schmo) if he held all of the exact same policies that he does now but were Gentile?
Finally... I think it's quite mirthful that I am constantly accused by yourself of not supporting Jews and being inimical to the goals of JTF considering http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46698.msg446265.html#msg446265 .
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Anyone who is in government who gave secret documents to Wikileaks is a traitor and should face the harshest penalties of the law. That said, Wikileaks has also exposed the farce that is the US government. They've shown the emperor truly does have no clothes and BOTH the democrats and republicans have let the US become a joke on the world stage through idiocy and unprincipled bungling. It's clear proof that both democrats and republicans will eventually need to be destroyed for America to survive and returning to the ways of the founding fathers must occur.
I don't really care what Joseph Lieberman has to say, really. The guy is grandstanding blowhard who only takes popular positions to get votes. Whether he supports Wikileaks or not is inconsequential to condemning him. He's already done so many bad things. I'd say running as VP with John Kerry who recently said he thinks Israel should give away the Golan heights proves him to be at least a total moron and at worst a Jewish anti-semite.
There are a million reasons Americans have no faith in their elected officials so I wouldn't blame Wikileaks for revealing just a couple more of those reasons.
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I am not defending Lieberman here. He is to be rebuked for his stand on the Pollard matter, amongst other issues which he has done wrong. But as a Jew I find it difficult to curse him because of the laws of Lashon Hara and because I believe that he may do repentence eventually.
He is against Wikileaks. That is clear. I am against Wikileaks... I dont think he is against it for the reason you suggested. I think he is against it because the entire American government is against them for the reason it makes America look goofy on the world stage.
Americas image has been badly damaged. Obama has really depreciated America in the eyes of the world. Now with this embarassing leak of documents, nobody can trust us... What I have read of the leaks did not reveal anything which I already did not know {Saudi Arabia is for neutralizing Iran, etc.}... But the fact that secret documents from our government can be posted on the internet is very troubling.
What I suggest is decietful is to claim that Lieberman did this in order to cover-up the administrations antisemitism. I do not think that is the reason for his statement. As I said before, it is the administrations position... And as I posted even Republican congress members also support prosecuting Wikileaks...
Is this what JTF is these days--mounting knee-jerk defenses of evil, traitor persons who unfortunately are of Semitic descent who stab good Jews in the back and who fight ceaselessly for the vivisection of their country? Is this the JTF or the MTF? Tell you what, the moment that the MTF is launched, you have my solemn pledge (unlike the pledge to refrain from knee-jerk reactions to my posts) not to interfere with it in any way.
I believe that the Jews of this forum have explained repeatedly that Judaism calls for praying for the destruction of traitors like Lieberman three times a day. Would you still defend the Jewish Hitler Pruneface (yimach schmo) if he held all of the exact same policies that he does now but were Gentile?
Finally... I think it's quite mirthful that I am constantly accused by yourself of not supporting Jews and being inimical to the goals of JTF considering http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46698.msg446265.html#msg446265 .
You lie again. Judaism only requires us to pray for the destruction of Heretics... That is what the portion of the Amidah we recite discusses... And you do not want to know why it was instituted... It may hurt your feelings..
Here is Chabads discussion on this prayer...
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/948893/jewish/Why-Pray-for-the-Destruction-of-our-Enemies.htm
Question:
I'm bothered by the prayer that calls for the destruction of our enemies. What if I don't want my enemies to be "uprooted, smashed, destroyed, lowered and subjugated"? Maybe I wish for them understanding and wisdom to realize that they're doing wrong so that they can repent. Is it a problem that I feel this way? Can I maybe replace this part with my own prayer?
Response:
While you ask your question from what some may call a "modern moral standpoint," this sentiment is actually expressed in the Torah and is part of halachah (Torah law), as can be seen from the following episode in the Talmud:1
There were certain hooligans who resided in the neighborhood of Rabbi Meir, and they caused him much misery and anguish. Once, Rabbi Meir prayed for mercy regarding them, so that they would die.2 His wife Beruriah said to him, "What makes you think that such a prayer is permitted? Is it because the verse states3 'Let sinners [chataim] cease from the earth'? But is it written 'chotim'—sinners? Rather it is written 'chataim'—that which causes one to sin, namely the evil inclination. Furthermore, the end of the verse continues, '…and let the wicked be no more.' Since the sins will cease, there will be no more wicked men!
"Rather," she concluded, "pray for them that they should repent, and there will be no more wicked people."
He did pray for them, and they repented.
As we can see clearly from this episode, one should not pray for others to be punished, rather we should pray that they repent and do teshuvah. Which brings us to your question: How can we then do the exact opposite and pray for the wicked to be punished three times a day in an established prayer?4
Furthermore, if we look at the book of Psalms, only a few chapters after the verse that Beruriah cited to teach us that one should pray for the cessation of sins rather than the punishment of the wicked, we find King David doing the exact opposite!
We find King David praying that "when he [King David's enemy] is judged, let him emerge guilty, and let his prayer be accounted as a sin. May his days be few, and may someone else take his office of dignity. May his sons be orphans and his wife a widow. May his sons wander, and [people] should ask and search from their ruins. May a creditor search out all he has, and may strangers despoil his labor. May he have none who extends kindness, and may no one be gracious to his orphans…"5 Hardly a manifestation of the above cited dictum, based on King David's own words, to pray for the cessation of sins but not sinners!
Back to the prayer we are discussing, which is one of the nineteen blessings of the most central Jewish prayer, the Amidah. Originally, the Amidah contained only eighteen blessings. In the generation that witnessed the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans, the Jews were further plagued by members of various sects who took delight in informing on the rabbis to the Roman authorities, and in devising various ways of enticing the unsuspecting Jews to abandon the path of their forefathers. It is against this backdrop that the Talmud relates6:
Shimon the cotton merchant arranged the eighteen blessings of the Amidah before Raban Gamliel in Yavneh.7 Raban Gamliel said to the sages: "Is there anyone who knows how to formulate a blessing against the heretics and the wicked?" Shmuel Hakatan ("the small") arose and formulated it.
A little knowledge of the author of this prayer will help us to understand it better. As we know, every word in our prayer is exact, each word reflecting a deeper meaning and intent. It was for this reason that Raban Gamliel, who was the leader of the Jewish community at the time, sought a unique individual that was suited for the formulation of this unique blessing.
Examining Shmuel Hakatan's other sayings (there aren't that many), we find a character that appears in striking contrast to the Shmuel Hakatan who composed a prayer against the heretics. In Ethics of the Fathers we read:
Shmuel Hakatan would say: "When your enemy falls, do not rejoice; when he stumbles, let your heart not be gladdened. Lest G‑d see, and it will be displeasing in His eyes, and He will turn His wrath from him to you."8
Shmuel Hakatan is simply quoting the Book of Proverbs,9 yet the Mishnah cites this in his name. Why? Because this was a statement that typified him; something that would be continually not just on his lips but reflected in his actions. Never mind not praying for the punishment of the wicked, Shmuel Hakatan is of the opinion that even when they are already punished we should not rejoice. Hardly the one you would expect to rise to the occasion of formulating a prayer for the wicked to be punished!
All this leads us to the conclusion that there must be different types of sinners. For some we are permitted to pray that they be punished, while for others we are not.
Again we quote the Ethics:
One who causes the community to be meritorious, no sin will come by his hand. One who causes the community to sin is not given the opportunity to repent.10
Commentaries11 explain that this means to say that Heaven does not help such an individual repent. The doors of repentance are never locked, but for some people, they may require a lot of pounding before they open.
This is the sort of person to whom the blessing against the heretics in the Amidah refers. Yes, we would all prefer to pray that this person repent rather than be punished. Furthermore, even if we could not pray for him to repent for whatever reason, we could just leave him alone and out of our prayers altogether—as long as his actions are not affecting anyone else. Here is an instance, however, where we are simply left no choice. We are told that Heaven does not help him to repent, so of what use is it to pray for him? Yet neither do we have the option to leave him be while he causes others to sin, informing upon us to the authorities and endangering the entire nation physically and spiritually.
Imagine a patient who has a limb with a malignant infection that is slowly spreading throughout the body, so that his only hope for survival is to have the limb amputated. Any doctor who out of misplaced mercy for his patient decides not to amputate, not only is he not helping his patient, he may very well be condemning him to death. While no sane person with even an ounce of compassion wishes to see someone else suffer, let alone lose their limb, when faced with an existential threat we are many times left with no other choice.
Now that we know this, we can better understand the wording of the blessing. We say, "…and may You swiftly uproot, break, crush, and subdue the reign of wickedness speedily in our days." The order of the words is puzzling. If the reign of wickedness is uprooted, broken and crushed, how can it now be subdued? What is left to subdue?
The answer is that this wording follows a teaching of the Zohar, that there are four general forms of evil forces in the world. Three are completely lost to evil, while the fourth one, known as klipat nogah, is a composite of both good and bad. It turns out that in the blessing against the heretics, while we pray for the total eradication of unsalvageable evil, we also pray that whatever good there is mixed up in there should indeed be saved. As the Rebbe writes regarding this part of the blessing of the heretics:
…pause slightly between the words crush and subdue, in consonance with the intent that uproot, break and crush refer to the three forms of evil that must be completely eradicated. Subdue refers to kelipat nogah that needs only to be subdued and can be purified.12
May we merit the day when all evil ceases to exist with the coming of the ultimate Redemption.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/from_paul_to_constantine/
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When I was young they used to hang traitors like Assflange...
Traitors for whom? Unconsciously he helps the Jewish people. Where does your loyalty lie?
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i like wikileaks, even though i do think that it goes way too far at times.
i made a whole blog post about people wanting to shut it down
http://zionistinfidelalliance.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/us-house-rep-peter-king-threatens-free-speech-and-government-integrity/
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When I was young they used to hang traitors like Assflange...
Traitors for whom? Unconsciously he helps the Jewish people. Where does your loyalty lie?
I do not think this is helping Israel. It will be seen if in the end it is helpful or destructive. I have not seen how this is helping Israel at all..
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בס''ד
The prayer cursing informers three times a day calls for the violent death of all self-hating Jewish traitors who are working to harm the Jewish people. The language of the prayer is quite clear.
Anyone who betrays a Jewish hero like Jonathan Pollard and who works to keep him in prison for the rest of his life is an informer, a traitor, and Judenrat kapo scum. Joseph Lieberman yimach shmo vezichro has worked actively to prevent the release of Pollard from prison. Lieberman should die of the most painful cancer and then should burn in hell forever for his unforgivable crime of stabbing Pollard in the back.
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בס''ד
The prayer cursing informers three times a day calls for the violent death of all self-hating Jewish traitors who are working to harm the Jewish people. The language of the prayer is quite clear.
Anyone who betrays a Jewish hero like Jonathan Pollard and who works to keep him in prison for the rest of his life is an informer, a traitor, and Judenrat kapo scum. Joseph Lieberman yimach shmo vezichro has worked actively to prevent the release of Pollard from prison. Lieberman should die of the most painful cancer and then should burn in hell forever for his unforgivable crime of stabbing Pollard in the back.
very well said
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בס''ד
The prayer cursing informers three times a day calls for the violent death of all self-hating Jewish traitors who are working to harm the Jewish people. The language of the prayer is quite clear.
Anyone who betrays a Jewish hero like Jonathan Pollard and who works to keep him in prison for the rest of his life is an informer, a traitor, and Judenrat kapo scum. Joseph Lieberman yimach shmo vezichro has worked actively to prevent the release of Pollard from prison. Lieberman should die of the most painful cancer and then should burn in hell forever for his unforgivable crime of stabbing Pollard in the back.
very well said
What difference does this make for you? You do not even say Amidah? Do you?
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What difference does this make for you? You do not even say Amidah? Do you?
You have a lot more chutzpah than I do, telling the owner of this forum off to his face.
You lie again. Judaism only requires us to pray for the destruction of Heretics... That is what the portion of the Amidah we recite discusses... And you do not want to know why it was instituted... It may hurt your feelings..
Here is Chabads discussion on this prayer...
Again I am accused of lying, and again without any explanation or description why. [sarcasm]Thank you for responding to all of my points, by the way.[/sarcasm]
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What difference does this make for you? You do not even say Amidah? Do you?
You have a lot more chutzpah than I do, telling the owner of this forum off to his face.
You lie again. Judaism only requires us to pray for the destruction of Heretics... That is what the portion of the Amidah we recite discusses... And you do not want to know why it was instituted... It may hurt your feelings..
Here is Chabads discussion on this prayer...
Again I am accused of lying, and again without any explanation or description why. [sarcasm]Thank you for responding to all of my points, by the way.[/sarcasm]
If you didn't notice, I was talking to KahanistLiberal and not Chaim...
But you are very quick to jump to conclusions today..
Look at your selective quoting there... Good hatchet job...
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בס''ד
The prayer cursing informers three times a day calls for the violent death of all self-hating Jewish traitors who are working to harm the Jewish people. The language of the prayer is quite clear.
Anyone who betrays a Jewish hero like Jonathan Pollard and who works to keep him in prison for the rest of his life is an informer, a traitor, and Judenrat kapo scum. Joseph Lieberman yimach shmo vezichro has worked actively to prevent the release of Pollard from prison. Lieberman should die of the most painful cancer and then should burn in hell forever for his unforgivable crime of stabbing Pollard in the back.
very well said
What difference does this make for you? You do not even say Amidah? Do you?
He's sane enough to learn the lesson of what we're celebrating now. Thank G-d Judah the Maccabee and his family did not adore Kappo traitors like Lieberman, like you do.
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If you didn't notice, I was talking to KahanistLiberal and not Chaim...
OK, you tear apart other fellow Jews besides Chaim. I guess that makes you a real tzaddik.
But you are very quick to jump to conclusions today..
Look at your selective quoting there... Good hatchet job...
So the second quote of yours is not from you, where you accused me of lying and tried to say that halacha doesn't require Jews to pray for the deaths of traitors, and that the real explanation would "hurt my feelings"? Maybe I partook in selective quoting, but you partook in a selective memory.
Come on, I'm a man, I can take it. Tell me what you were going to say.
And you still haven't explained why you broke your public promise never to reply to me again. :laugh:
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בס''ד
The prayer cursing informers three times a day calls for the violent death of all self-hating Jewish traitors who are working to harm the Jewish people. The language of the prayer is quite clear.
Anyone who betrays a Jewish hero like Jonathan Pollard and who works to keep him in prison for the rest of his life is an informer, a traitor, and Judenrat kapo scum. Joseph Lieberman yimach shmo vezichro has worked actively to prevent the release of Pollard from prison. Lieberman should die of the most painful cancer and then should burn in hell forever for his unforgivable crime of stabbing Pollard in the back.
very well said
What difference does this make for you? You do not even say Amidah? Do you?
He's sane enough to learn the lesson of what we're celebrating now. Thank G-d Judah the Maccabee and his family did not adore Kappo traitors like Lieberman, like you do.
And where do you learn that I adore him? You are now beginning to sound like DBF here... Read what I wrote. I do not think that by opposing the Wikileaks that it rises to the level of being cursed...
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If you didn't notice, I was talking to KahanistLiberal and not Chaim...
OK, you tear apart other fellow Jews besides Chaim. I guess that makes you a real tzaddik.
But you are very quick to jump to conclusions today..
Look at your selective quoting there... Good hatchet job...
So the second quote of yours is not from you, where you accused me of lying and tried to say that halacha doesn't require Jews to pray for the deaths of traitors, and that the real explanation would "hurt my feelings"? Maybe I partook in selective quoting, but you partook in a selective memory.
Come on, I'm a man, I can take it. Tell me what you were going to say.
And you still haven't explained why you broke your public promise never to reply to me again. :laugh:
I made no such promise... I said that I had had it with your constant negativity.
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I do not think this is helping Israel. It will be seen if in the end it is helpful or destructive. I have not seen how this is helping Israel at all..
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46698.msg446265.html#msg446265
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I do not think this is helping Israel. It will be seen if in the end it is helpful or destructive. I have not seen how this is helping Israel at all..
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46698.msg446265.html#msg446265
And how is this related to this topic?
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Wikileaks exposes the treason of Israeli leaders and the Nazi leaders of the Nations - especially those of the United States since they are the most relevant nowadays (unfortunately).
When Wikileaks exposed the fact that the Nazi Sunni Muslim countries wanted to bomb Nazi Shi'ite Iran's nuclear facilities immidiately (either by the IAF or the USAF), it might have convinced the cowardly traitor Bibi to strike. Many other so-called "news" made Jews understand what the Kahanists have been saying for decades.
Wikileaks are Nazis Muslim-lovers who couldn't care less about Jews. But unconsciously, they are helping Israel. Hashem's Mercy is shown once again by these evil Muslim-loving pigs.
The sole reason you detest Wikileaks is because you fear "What will the Gentiles say?!". You fear the Gentile more than you fear the elimination of Israel. Same reason you voted for Bush - because you don't give a rotten damn about about Israel. You cared about your pocket more than you cared about your fellow Jews. The same self-hating, selfish, unforgiveable crime the Jews of America did during the Holocaust when they voted the Nazi Roosevelt in office. Why? because it was good for their pocket. $$$$ were more important to them than their brothers and sisters who were slain like ducks in Nazi Europe.
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And how is this related to this topic?
You are the one who is constantly accusing me of not caring for the Jewish heroes in Israel and not doing anything to help JTF, so I was just curious as to what you have to say about that post that I linked.
I made no such promise... I said that I had had it with your constant negativity.
In light of this post ( http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,51229.msg484121.html#msg484121 ) and your quote "Let us ignore each other once again", I think it's fairly safe to say that your words need to be taken with about as much salt as Netanyahu's right about now.
And where do you learn that I adore him?
I think Ron just is curious as to why we are not allowed to criticize or curse a rodef like Lieberman, but you think it's totally okay to rip apart a good Jew who is trying to do the right thing like KahanistLiberal.
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And where do you learn that I adore him?
It's because you tolerate that labrador-faced Kappo Judenrat Lieberman who spent his empty piggy life fighting against Israel and Jonathan Pollard. How dare you defend that rotten kike?!
Ohhhh he should be rebuked... Stop with this two-faced hypocritical attiude, Muman. Unmask yourself and just say you could care less about Jonathan and all you want is the Republican Party Nazis and kikes to enrich your filthy pocket.
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And where do you learn that I adore him?
It's because you tolerate that labrador-faced Kappo Judenrat Lieberman who spent his empty piggy life fighting against Israel and Jonathan Pollard. How dare you defend that rotten kike?!
Ohhhh he should be rebuked... Stop with this two-faced hypocritical attiude, Muman. Unmask yourself and just say you could care less about Jonathan and all you want is the Republican Party Nazis and kikes to enrich your filthy pocket.
Ron,
What is wrong with you? I never supported him. I pointed out that the reason this thread was started was because of Wikileaks. I pointed out that many others have also come out against the Wikileaks, which at this time I think is a good thing because national secrets should not be stolen and posted. I think the long term effects on world politics will be negative.
I care less about Pollard? Another empty accusation. I have supported Pollard for as long as I have known about him. I have signed petitions, brought up the issue in forums, and post talkbacks about Pollard on A7... I have never had anything but good things to say about Pollard. Why do you make this up about me?
And your further accusations are just the ramblings of a polluted mind... Ron, you better seek some help with that...
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And DBF, who has never stood and said Amidah uses it to justify his cursing... Isn't that ironic?
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And where do you learn that I adore him?
It's because you tolerate that labrador-faced Kappo Judenrat Lieberman who spent his empty piggy life fighting against Israel and Jonathan Pollard. How dare you defend that rotten kike?!
Ohhhh he should be rebuked... Stop with this two-faced hypocritical attiude, Muman. Unmask yourself and just say you could care less about Jonathan and all you want is the Republican Party Nazis and kikes to enrich your filthy pocket.
Lieberman is an Independent / Democrat.
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Lieberman is an Independent / Democrat.
Yes, he knows that. He meant to say that all he cares about is the corporate Republican lifestyle and philosophy of profits above all else, not literally that Lieberman himself is a Republican.
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I already explained to you why Wikileaks is good for Israel and you care about "national secrets"?! WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH YOUR MIND?!
If you care so much about Jonathan why are you defending one of his most fanatic persuers?
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Oh yeah, Muman, it's funny how you are selective in calling for judgment upon people you don't like. Sodomite celebrities and Jewish rodefs/traitors like Lieberman don't deserve any punishment, but Mr. Assange and anyone who fileshares/pirates music and movies deserves death (supposedly according to halacha).
Care to explain that?
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Oh yeah, Muman, it's funny how you are selective in calling for judgment upon people you don't like. Sodomite celebrities and Jewish rodefs/traitors like Lieberman don't deserve any punishment, but Mr. Assange and anyone who fileshares/pirates music and movies deserves death (supposedly according to halacha).
Care to explain that?
You just added something. I never said anything about hanging traitors or filesharers being halacha. Please show me where I said that...
What I did say is that Filesharing does amount to Theft... There is no way you will argue that it is not theft. And I did argue that theft, even of small value items, is the main sin which brought about the Flood of Noach....
http://wwww.ouradio.org/torah/article/parshat_mishpatim_2
It seems that Maimonides maintains that there are two elements included in the mitzvah prohibiting stealing: First, the mitzvah prohibits a specific action. The specific action prohibited by the mitzvah is the prototypical model of theft. In this model, the objective and purpose of the action is the absolute seizure of the object. A theft performed in jest, or with the intent or returning the object, does not meet the requirements of this model. However, there is a second element of the mitzvah: The mitzvah has an objective. Its objective is to establish clear perimeters of ownership. Any theft – even if it is not the prototypical case – demonstrates disregard of the perimeters of ownership. Therefore, although the activity is not the action explicitly prohibited by the action, it is included in the prohibition of commandment. It contradicts the objective of the commandment.
An illustration will help clarify this formulation. We are all familiar with illegal file sharing. If a person purchases a music CD, copies it, and resells the copies, he has clearly violated the copyright on the CD. This is the specific action that the copyright law prohibits. But, assume that the person does not resell the copies. Instead, he lends his CD to various individuals and invites them to copy the music onto their hard-drives. This may not be the activity specifically prohibited by the copyright law, but there is no question that this activity undermines the objective of the law. The law is designed to protect the investment of the CD producer. Widespread distribution of the music files on the single purchased CD undermines the objective of the law. Now, in this case, we might debate whether the CD purchaser should be responsible to respect the objective of the copyright law. But, we cannot deny that the purchaser’s activities contradict this objective.
Sefer HaChinuch is suggesting that in the case of the mitzvah prohibiting theft, the objective of the mitzvah is definitely legally binding. Therefore, in addition to the specific act of theft prohibited by the mitzvah, atypical forms of theft that undermine or contradict the rights of the owner are also prohibited.
Let us close with a short review of the laws. According to most opinions, it is prohibited to take or steal an object with the intent to return it. There is some debate as to whether this behavior is prohibited by the Torah or by the Sages. But, the bottom line is that ownership rights must be respected. Taking an object without the authorization of the owner directly undermines and contradicts the rights of the owner. Therefore, the fact that the thief does not intend to keep the object is irrelevant.
Stealing in jest, or in order to annoy someone, is clearly prohibited. Again, there is some debate as to whether this activity is prohibited by the Torah or the Sages. But, this activity is an obvious denial of the owner’s rights and is therefore prohibited.
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You just added something. I never said anything about hanging traitors or filesharers being halacha. Please show me where I said that...
What I did say is that Filesharing does amount to Theft... There is no way you will argue that it is not theft. And I did argue that theft, even of small value items, is the main sin which brought about the Flood of Noach....
BS. You know damn well what you said. You said that piracy deserves death.
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You just added something. I never said anything about hanging traitors or filesharers being halacha. Please show me where I said that...
What I did say is that Filesharing does amount to Theft... There is no way you will argue that it is not theft. And I did argue that theft, even of small value items, is the main sin which brought about the Flood of Noach....
BS. You know damn well what you said. You said that piracy deserves death.
excrement... Even according to Halacha theft is not a death penalty.... Where do you come up with this stuff?
Now the case of theft of secret documents... This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
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Now Jews are less important than "national secrets"?! >:(
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Israeli Jews seem like Kahanists next to American Jews..
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This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
Yes... what a tragedy that Muslim Nazis might die if Israel decides to go ahead and bomb Iran because documents were leaked that gave her some confidence. What a great Torah pillar you are.
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Now Jews are less important than "national secrets"?! >:(
No Ron... Never my intention to say anything like this...
But Israel recently had it's own case of a spy... The woman who stole all those documents while working for the IDF... Did they let her get away with it?
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Israeli Jews seem like Kahanists next to American Jews..
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This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
Yes... what a tragedy that Muslim Nazis might die if Israel decides to go ahead and bomb Iran because documents were leaked that gave her some confidence. What a great Torah pillar you are.
I do not think that these leaks will bring any strength to Israel fighting against Iran. And your constant desire to attribute things to me which I did not say is very aggravating.
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This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
Yes... what a tragedy that Muslim Nazis might die if Israel decides to go ahead and bomb Iran because documents were leaked that gave her some confidence. What a great Torah pillar you are.
How is that that a Gentile understands what Jews don't?!
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Now Jews are less important than "national secrets"?! >:(
No Ron... Never my intention to say anything like this...
But Israel recently had it's own case of a spy... The woman who stole all those documents while working for the IDF... Did they let her get away with it?
Do you know WHAT that spy has revealed?
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This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
Yes... what a tragedy that Muslim Nazis might die if Israel decides to go ahead and bomb Iran because documents were leaked that gave her some confidence. What a great Torah pillar you are.
How is that that a Gentile understands what Jews don't?!
I think you are naive to think that this leak will give any strength to Israel. If so, then it was a blessing, but I still do not see it like this. The damage which will be caused may be greater than any gain..
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Now Jews are less important than "national secrets"?! >:(
No Ron... Never my intention to say anything like this...
But Israel recently had it's own case of a spy... The woman who stole all those documents while working for the IDF... Did they let her get away with it?
Do you know WHAT that spy has revealed?
The story has fallen out of the news... What happened to her? I only gathered that she stole secret documents during the Operation Cast lead. Could you please tell me her name so I can google it?
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Not strength. Only Hashem gives strength to Israel. What I mean is that if even the Nazi Sunni Muslims of Egypt and Saudi Arabia wanted an Israeli/American air stike in Iran, it might have convinced the traitor Bibi to strike (because it's "popular").
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You are the one spreading lies and lashon hara, Muman--comparing the kapo slut Anat Kam (ten thousand yimach schmas to her) to the (unknowingly) very good spies who have leaked data that the Nazi Obama Administration has been hiding from Israel.
Let me guess, you think it's a sin for me to say y-s to Anat Kam, but you think the Obama admin spies deserve y-s.
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You are the one spreading lies and lashon hara, Muman--comparing the kapo slut Anat Kam (ten thousand yimach schmas to her) to the (unknowingly) very good spies who have leaked data that the Nazi Obama Administration has been hiding from Israel.
Let me guess, you think it's a sin for me to say y-s to Anat Kam, but you think the Obama admin spies deserve y-s.
DBF,
You constantly engage in slander. I never said that Anat Kam did not deserve being cursed, as a matter of fact I believe when the news first came out I may have joined in cursing her.
Also it is incorrect to refer to the spies as 'Obama Administration' spies. The material which was leaked goes back to before Obama was president. And I don't think that everything which was leaked was beneficial for Israel.
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DBF,
You constantly engage in slander. I never said that Anat Kam did not deserve being cursed, as a matter of fact I believe when the news first came out I may have joined in cursing her.
Also it is incorrect to refer to the spies as 'Obama Administration' spies. The material which was leaked goes back to before Obama was president. And I don't think that everything which was leaked was beneficial for Israel.
So the Bush Administration was pro-Jew in your eyes? The Bush administration repeatedly forbade Israel from striking Iran, and demanded that Sharon protect and spare Arafat in 2002.
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DBF,
You constantly engage in slander. I never said that Anat Kam did not deserve being cursed, as a matter of fact I believe when the news first came out I may have joined in cursing her.
Also it is incorrect to refer to the spies as 'Obama Administration' spies. The material which was leaked goes back to before Obama was president. And I don't think that everything which was leaked was beneficial for Israel.
So the Bush Administration was pro-Jew in your eyes? The Bush administration repeatedly forbade Israel from striking Iran, and demanded that Sharon protect and spare Arafat in 2002.
Don't forget constantly demanding Israel to Holocaust herself
Even if it was a neutral/good administration, nothing is more important than Jews so I could care less about stealing documents that are important for the Jews
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Don't forget constantly demanding Israel to Holocaust herself
of course I remember that, I was just giving two particularly choice examples
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Not strength. Only Hashem gives strength to Israel. What I mean is that if even the Nazi Sunni Muslims of Egypt and Saudi Arabia wanted an Israeli/American air stike in Iran, it might have convinced the traitor Bibi to strike (because it's "popular").
Come On Man!
It was a well known fact to Israelis that Saudi Arabia supported an attack on Iran... What new was learned from this? And now that the world knows it Saudi Arabia will be less willing to help aid Israel attacking Iran. I remember when Obama was about to assume office there was discussion about an Israeli attack on Irans nuclear facilities and the rumor was that Saudi Arabia was willing to let Israeli planes fly over Saudi territories...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/israel-tells-bush-of-iran-threat/2008/01/09/1199554740413.html
http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/07/in_saudi_arabia_frustration_ex.html
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DBF,
You constantly engage in slander. I never said that Anat Kam did not deserve being cursed, as a matter of fact I believe when the news first came out I may have joined in cursing her.
Also it is incorrect to refer to the spies as 'Obama Administration' spies. The material which was leaked goes back to before Obama was president. And I don't think that everything which was leaked was beneficial for Israel.
So the Bush Administration was pro-Jew in your eyes? The Bush administration repeatedly forbade Israel from striking Iran, and demanded that Sharon protect and spare Arafat in 2002.
DBF,
I will continue to untwist the words which you are twisting...
I did not say that Bush was Pro-Israel.... Please show where I said such a thing... This is getting ridiculous. I stated that compared to Kerry, Bush was the better of the two. Kerry would have been ineffective in the prosecution of the war of terror. Bush did engage the enemy, while Kerry would have sat down for tea with them...
I know what Bush administration was, and its problems concerning Israeli policy...
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That's not why you explained voting for him at the time, at the time it was because you said Bush would be better for the economy.
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Not strength. Only Hashem gives strength to Israel. What I mean is that if even the Nazi Sunni Muslims of Egypt and Saudi Arabia wanted an Israeli/American air stike in Iran, it might have convinced the traitor Bibi to strike (because it's "popular").
Come On Man!
It was a well known fact to Israelis that Saudi Arabia supported an attack on Iran... What new was learned from this? And now that the world knows it Saudi Arabia will be less willing to help aid Israel attacking Iran. I remember when Obama was about to assume office there was discussion about an Israeli attack on Irans nuclear facilities and the rumor was that Saudi Arabia was willing to let Israeli planes fly over Saudi territories...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/israel-tells-bush-of-iran-threat/2008/01/09/1199554740413.html
http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/07/in_saudi_arabia_frustration_ex.html
This was only rumor. I don't think we ever had planes landing in Saudi Arabian bases (or bases in Saudi Arabia or whatever).
It never was a well-known fact for a treachorous prime minister to do his job and attack Nazi Iran.
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It never was a well-known fact for a treachorous prime minister to do his job and attack Nazi Iran.
The only "job" that PM Lewinsky did was a bl*w job, on Clinton first during Wye and now on Obama.
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That's not why you explained voting for him at the time, at the time it was because you said Bush would be better for the economy.
Overall Bush was better than Kerry on all fronts. I was trying to say, in the message which Ron referred to, that I used to be one of those Jewish Democrat voters {only for about 16 years}... My first vote was for Ronald Reagan {so I started as a Republican}.... But I voted for Clinton in 1992 and voted democrat after that...
I do not vote for third parties because they have never won... I am sorry that I voted for Kerry.... I am not so happy that Bush didn't perform as expected concerning Israel... It is not my fault, no matter what... I did not vote for Bush..
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The Nazi pig Ronald Reagan (thankfully burning in hell after a horrible death from Alzheimers) was very good friends with the Nazi sodomite Fag Buchanan, sent Pollard to federal death row for LEGALLY sharing with Israel information contained in its treaty, railroaded Chaim Ben Pesach in order to such tuchis with the Nazi Soviet Stalinist Gorbachev, sold out Israel's only true ally white South Africa, honored SS butchers at Bitburg, and pushed for the first-ever amnesty for illegal invaders into this country. Oh, and he sent the Marines out to attack the IDF in Lebanon.
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The Nazi pig Ronald Reagan (thankfully burning in hell after a horrible death from Alzheimers) was very good friends with the Nazi sodomite Fag Buchanan, sent Pollard to federal death row for LEGALLY sharing with Israel information contained in its treaty, railroaded Chaim Ben Pesach in order to such tuchis with the Nazi Soviet Stalinist Gorbachev, sold out Israel's only true ally white South Africa, honored SS butchers at Bitburg, and pushed for the first-ever amnesty for illegal invaders into this country. Oh, and he sent the Marines out to attack the IDF in Lebanon.
DBF,
Are you an American? Did you vote in 1984? I did.... Who would you have voted for? Dukkakis?
It is easy for someone like you to cast stones. But I was alive at that time, and Carter was a fool, the democratic party was in ruins. Reagan offered true hope for this country. While I recognize the problems he caused I still had my duty to vote for a president.
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So all of those facts that I gave about the Nazi Reagan were "slander" and "lies"?
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So all of those facts that I gave about the Nazi Reagan were "slander" and "lies"?
And where do you get this from? another fantasy of yours?
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So all of those facts that I gave about the Nazi Reagan were "slander" and "lies"?
Where do you come up with this stuff? I have always acknowledged the problems with Reagan. I never made him into a hero or anything. I simply stated that he was many times better than the democratic rival {who was Carter in 1980}...
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That's not why you explained voting for him at the time, at the time it was because you said Bush would be better for the economy.
Overall Bush was better than Kerry on all fronts. I was trying to say, in the message which Ron referred to, that I used to be one of those Jewish Democrat voters {only for about 16 years}... My first vote was for Ronald Reagan {so I started as a Republican}.... But I voted for Clinton in 1992 and voted democrat after that...
I do not vote for third parties because they have never won... I am sorry that I voted for Kerry.... I am not so happy that Bush didn't perform as expected concerning Israel... It is not my fault, no matter what... I did not vote for Bush..
I honestly don't know what there was in the running back then that would have been any better than Bush anyway... If you thought Bush was bad I am sure Kerry would have been far worse...I have told this story before so I run the risk of being repetitive... During the Bush transition they spoke with the government of Israel to try and determine what the goals were for a solution to the so called peace process... Israel said they would be agreeable to a level of land concession that sort of surprised the Bush administration... When the Bush administration asked if they were sure this was the correct solution they said it was.... Say whatever you like however the Bush administration kicked the so called road map to peace to the back burner where it stayed for the duration of the 8 years... It was not until the shvartza Administration took office that the so called peace process reared its head again.
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Not strength. Only Hashem gives strength to Israel. What I mean is that if even the Nazi Sunni Muslims of Egypt and Saudi Arabia wanted an Israeli/American air stike in Iran, it might have convinced the traitor Bibi to strike (because it's "popular").
Come On Man!
It was a well known fact to Israelis that Saudi Arabia supported an attack on Iran... What new was learned from this? And now that the world knows it Saudi Arabia will be less willing to help aid Israel attacking Iran. I remember when Obama was about to assume office there was discussion about an Israeli attack on Irans nuclear facilities and the rumor was that Saudi Arabia was willing to let Israeli planes fly over Saudi territories...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/israel-tells-bush-of-iran-threat/2008/01/09/1199554740413.html
http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/07/in_saudi_arabia_frustration_ex.html
Actually the WIKILEAKS undermines the Obama argument that in order for Israel to strike Iran it must surrender land to the so-called Palestinians to get Arab support for any operation, because the leaks show that Saudi Arabia is scared to death of a nuclear Iran. You seem to just be following the ESTABLISHMENT line that this is dangerous, because it undermines their power! Just because someone with an R by their name opposes wikileaks doesn't mean that they are right!
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I find it odd that you single out Lieberman... Many have spoken out against Wikileaks... And I too am against Wikileaks.
Why?
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Not strength. Only Hashem gives strength to Israel. What I mean is that if even the Nazi Sunni Muslims of Egypt and Saudi Arabia wanted an Israeli/American air stike in Iran, it might have convinced the traitor Bibi to strike (because it's "popular").
Come On Man!
It was a well known fact to Israelis that Saudi Arabia supported an attack on Iran... What new was learned from this? And now that the world knows it Saudi Arabia will be less willing to help aid Israel attacking Iran. I remember when Obama was about to assume office there was discussion about an Israeli attack on Irans nuclear facilities and the rumor was that Saudi Arabia was willing to let Israeli planes fly over Saudi territories...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/israel-tells-bush-of-iran-threat/2008/01/09/1199554740413.html
http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/07/in_saudi_arabia_frustration_ex.html
That certainly was not my point. My point was simply that the entire government is against the leaks. Any government involved in secret negotiations needs to have secrecy in order to obtain goals. If I am wrong about these leaks I will admit my incorrect perception, but we still do not know how this will affect diplomacy.
Actually the WIKILEAKS undermines the Obama argument that in order for Israel to strike Iran it must surrender land to the so-called Palestinians to get Arab support for any operation, because the leaks show that Saudi Arabia is scared to death of a nuclear Iran. You seem to just be following the ESTABLISHMENT line that this is dangerous, because it undermines their power! Just because someone with an R by their name opposes wikileaks doesn't mean that they are right!
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I find it odd that you single out Lieberman... Many have spoken out against Wikileaks... And I too am against Wikileaks.
Why?
I explained it multiple times in this thread. I do not see it helping Israel... Maybe I am wrong on this, but my perception is that this will damage relations with Israel. It will damage the ability of America to act in any way with any country in the world {because they will suspect American diplomats of being leakers}.
As I said before... I don't see anything new which these documents reveals which was not already known. Now that it is public knowledge there will be a pull back from those nations which were cooperating.
I should wait and see what the outcome is before I make such comments because it is obvious that my original posting was taken as anti-Israel when it was not intended to be..
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Why should Israel give a damn what Pruneface or Obama say or do?
And you still haven't explained to me why Pruneface must not be cursed. That's how you are, you make a bunch of wild claims and then never provide any evidence.
Chaim proved to you that halacha requires that we curse people like Lieberman.
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Now will you curse this one also:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html
Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group
The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says WikiLeaks should be officially designated as a terrorist organization.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the panel's presumptive next head, asked the Obama administration today to "determine whether WikiLeaks could be designated a foreign terrorist organization," putting the group in the same company as al-Qaeda and Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese cult that released deadly sarin gas on the Tokyo subway.
I honestly think this "Peter King" character should do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.
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Why should Israel give a damn what Pruneface or Obama say or do?
And you still haven't explained to me why Pruneface must not be cursed. That's how you are, you make a bunch of wild claims and then never provide any evidence.
Chaim proved to you that halacha requires that we curse people like Lieberman.
I did not see any Halacha which requires it. The Halacha simply requires that we recite a curse on Heretics and informers during the Amidah. I do say all 19 of the Benedictions as everyone is required to say...
I also am not aware of some of the more insidious claims against him. I did not realize till today that he stood adamantly against the release of Pollard. For some reason I had thought I heard that he supported releasing him. I guess I was wrong about that.
I curse all those who stand in the way of the Jewish people attaining their goal of a Jewish state, safe and secure from attacks from enemies. All of my actions, all of my thoughts, and all of my prayers for the last six-seven years has been directed for this purpose. While I do have to make a living I do spend an inordinate amount of time involved with Israel and Israel issues. I do have the intention to make the move and have actually investigated real-estate in the North, around Tzfat...
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Now will you curse this one also:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html
Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group
The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says WikiLeaks should be officially designated as a terrorist organization.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the panel's presumptive next head, asked the Obama administration today to "determine whether WikiLeaks could be designated a foreign terrorist organization," putting the group in the same company as al-Qaeda and Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese cult that released deadly sarin gas on the Tokyo subway.
I honestly think this "Peter King" character should do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.
I have no idea who he is, I simply used him as an example of someone on the other side of the aisle who also supports shutting down the leak. I have heard Mrs. Clintons discussion on the topic also... There is overwhelming support in the ranks of the government to shut down these kinds of leaks.
If it is this easy for people to obtain classified information I wonder what information the terrorists have already on us...
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Wikileaks exposes the treason of Israeli leaders and the Nazi leaders of the Nations - especially those of the United States since they are the most relevant nowadays (unfortunately).
When Wikileaks exposed the fact that the Nazi Sunni Muslim countries wanted to bomb Nazi Shi'ite Iran's nuclear facilities immidiately (either by the IAF or the USAF), it might have convinced the cowardly traitor Bibi to strike. Many other so-called "news" made Jews understand what the Kahanists have been saying for decades.
Wikileaks are Nazis Muslim-lovers who couldn't care less about Jews. But unconsciously, they are helping Israel. Hashem's Mercy is shown once again by these evil Muslim-loving pigs.
The sole reason you detest Wikileaks is because you fear "What will the Gentiles say?!". You fear the Gentile more than you fear the elimination of Israel. Same reason you voted for Bush - because you don't give a rotten damn about about Israel. You cared about your pocket more than you cared about your fellow Jews. The same self-hating, selfish, unforgiveable crime the Jews of America did during the Holocaust when they voted the Nazi Roosevelt in office. Why? because it was good for their pocket. $$$$ were more important to them than their brothers and sisters who were slain like ducks in Nazi Europe.
I honestly don't know much about wikileaks except for the latest documents that came out. How do people determine that the guy is a muslim-lover? By the looks of this latest collection of leaks, I was almost suspecting he's a closet zionist on a personal mission to help Israel!
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Wikileaks exposes the treason of Israeli leaders and the Nazi leaders of the Nations - especially those of the United States since they are the most relevant nowadays (unfortunately).
When Wikileaks exposed the fact that the Nazi Sunni Muslim countries wanted to bomb Nazi Shi'ite Iran's nuclear facilities immidiately (either by the IAF or the USAF), it might have convinced the cowardly traitor Bibi to strike. Many other so-called "news" made Jews understand what the Kahanists have been saying for decades.
Wikileaks are Nazis Muslim-lovers who couldn't care less about Jews. But unconsciously, they are helping Israel. Hashem's Mercy is shown once again by these evil Muslim-loving pigs.
The sole reason you detest Wikileaks is because you fear "What will the Gentiles say?!". You fear the Gentile more than you fear the elimination of Israel. Same reason you voted for Bush - because you don't give a rotten damn about about Israel. You cared about your pocket more than you cared about your fellow Jews. The same self-hating, selfish, unforgiveable crime the Jews of America did during the Holocaust when they voted the Nazi Roosevelt in office. Why? because it was good for their pocket. $$$$ were more important to them than their brothers and sisters who were slain like ducks in Nazi Europe.
I honestly don't know much about wikileaks except for the latest documents that came out. How do people determine that the guy is a muslim-lover? By the looks of this latest collection of leaks, I was almost suspecting he's a closet zionist on a personal mission to help Israel!
So you think that the accusations of Rape and of being a homosexual are not true?
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This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
Yes... what a tragedy that Muslim Nazis might die if Israel decides to go ahead and bomb Iran because documents were leaked that gave her some confidence. What a great Torah pillar you are.
How is that that a Gentile understands what Jews don't?!
I think you are naive to think that this leak will give any strength to Israel. If so, then it was a blessing, but I still do not see it like this. The damage which will be caused may be greater than any gain..
What damage? Can you explain what damage was done to Jews or Israel by these leaks? I see it has damaged our enemies, NOT us.
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This may rise to the level of a death penalty if people die as a result of the leaked information...
Yes... what a tragedy that Muslim Nazis might die if Israel decides to go ahead and bomb Iran because documents were leaked that gave her some confidence. What a great Torah pillar you are.
How is that that a Gentile understands what Jews don't?!
I think you are naive to think that this leak will give any strength to Israel. If so, then it was a blessing, but I still do not see it like this. The damage which will be caused may be greater than any gain..
What damage? Can you explain what damage was done to Jews or Israel by these leaks? I see it has damaged our enemies, NOT us.
I hope so... But my initial feeling about the leak is that it will do great damage to diplomacy between America, Israel, and the arab states.
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I find it odd that you single out Lieberman... Many have spoken out against Wikileaks... And I too am against Wikileaks.
Why?
I explained it multiple times in this thread. I do not see it helping Israel... Maybe I am wrong on this, but my perception is that this will damage relations with Israel. It will damage the ability of America to act in any way with any country in the world {because they will suspect American diplomats of being leakers}.
But that would only be good for Israel because it impede's America's ability to twist the Israeli PM's arm. Especially an aggressive muslim american like Obama.
As I said before... I don't see anything new which these documents reveals which was not already known.
If it was all already known, no one would be against it. Neither would you. You are being self-contradictory with this statement. There are a bunch of secret correspondences that were leaked which no one knew about except the participants. And now the world knows. I think what you said here is just false.
Now that it is public knowledge there will be a pull back from those nations which were cooperating.
Cooperating with whom? To do what? What will they now want to do anymore in light of their own lies and hypocrisy being exposed to the public?
Are you saying that since Barak has been exposed to be a phony liar, now he'll want to cooperate less with America and actually not surrender land? I doubt that, but why is that bad? I really don't know what you're saying.
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Now will you curse this one also:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html
Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group
The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says WikiLeaks should be officially designated as a terrorist organization.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the panel's presumptive next head, asked the Obama administration today to "determine whether WikiLeaks could be designated a foreign terrorist organization," putting the group in the same company as al-Qaeda and Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese cult that released deadly sarin gas on the Tokyo subway.
I honestly think this "Peter King" character should do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.
I have no idea who he is, I simply used him as an example of someone on the other side of the aisle who also supports shutting down the leak. I have heard Mrs. Clintons discussion on the topic also... There is overwhelming support in the ranks of the government to shut down these kinds of leaks.
If it is this easy for people to obtain classified information I wonder what information the terrorists have already on us...
Muman, this Peter King jacka.ss wants to discard the law, discard the constitution, throw away freedom of speech and autocratically declare a group he doesn't like as a terrorist group so he can feel free to persecute them unhindered.
Do you not see that people like P.King and Lieberman are a great danger to JTF?![/size]
What happens when they stifle OUR freedom of speech, Muman?
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Now will you curse this one also:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html
Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group
The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says WikiLeaks should be officially designated as a terrorist organization.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the panel's presumptive next head, asked the Obama administration today to "determine whether WikiLeaks could be designated a foreign terrorist organization," putting the group in the same company as al-Qaeda and Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese cult that released deadly sarin gas on the Tokyo subway.
I honestly think this "Peter King" character should do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.
There is overwhelming support in the ranks of the government to shut down these kinds of leaks.
It is no surprise that when hypocrites and liars are exposed, they will want to shoot the messenger.
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Wikileaks exposes the treason of Israeli leaders and the Nazi leaders of the Nations - especially those of the United States since they are the most relevant nowadays (unfortunately).
When Wikileaks exposed the fact that the Nazi Sunni Muslim countries wanted to bomb Nazi Shi'ite Iran's nuclear facilities immidiately (either by the IAF or the USAF), it might have convinced the cowardly traitor Bibi to strike. Many other so-called "news" made Jews understand what the Kahanists have been saying for decades.
Wikileaks are Nazis Muslim-lovers who couldn't care less about Jews. But unconsciously, they are helping Israel. Hashem's Mercy is shown once again by these evil Muslim-loving pigs.
The sole reason you detest Wikileaks is because you fear "What will the Gentiles say?!". You fear the Gentile more than you fear the elimination of Israel. Same reason you voted for Bush - because you don't give a rotten damn about about Israel. You cared about your pocket more than you cared about your fellow Jews. The same self-hating, selfish, unforgiveable crime the Jews of America did during the Holocaust when they voted the Nazi Roosevelt in office. Why? because it was good for their pocket. $$$$ were more important to them than their brothers and sisters who were slain like ducks in Nazi Europe.
I honestly don't know much about wikileaks except for the latest documents that came out. How do people determine that the guy is a muslim-lover? By the looks of this latest collection of leaks, I was almost suspecting he's a closet zionist on a personal mission to help Israel!
So you think that the accusations of Rape and of being a homosexual are not true?
Did these come out today, by any chance? (I did btw see on the front page of the paper today at a diner a headline saying "rape warrant" and that interpol is searching for the wikileaks guy with a big picture of his face on the cover. YEAH, it just so happens he raped a girl right after he pissed off every world govt especially the US govt which is fuming about it. I REALLY believe that!
LOL, I bet he was framed and set up because the govt is shitting a brick right now and they want to vilify him as the beginning of their extra-judicial onslaught.
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How do people determine that the guy is a muslim-lover? By the looks of this latest collection of leaks, I was almost suspecting he's a closet zionist on a personal mission to help Israel!
I believe that he himself has admitted it. Who cares--his actions are helping Israel more than harming.
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My fellow JTF'ers, I used to think that a certain member here was a little paranoid, and I seriously doubted his dire warnings to the forum about how the constitution is being thrown away and how they will eventually turn their sights on us, just as they currently attack other law-abiding groups - once they can get away with it, it will set a deadly precedent that could target us. I now think this member was probably correct and thinking along the right lines basically. This is something we need to take seriously. Not to impede our work in anyway or put us in fear, but to be cognizant of the fact that there are people in congress and the US state Dept who ARE WILLING AND ABLE to use the laws already on the books for dealing with terrorists but turn these laws against law-abiding groups like us who they see as a great danger to their "diplomacy" and "peacemaking" efforts.
It's quite likely that whoever leaked these documents to wikileaks broke the law. But up until this point, wikileaks itself has escaped prosecution because what THEY are doing is not technically illegal (as far as I know, that's how I understand the situation). If the law is on their side, then Muman, how can you or any other JTF member call for them to be punished like al qaeda operatives?
Let's also point out that the blatant lies by various individuals in the US govt about how the leaks are going to endanger US troops or innocent lives by exposing secretive security information have turned out completely false and all the leaks thus far have not endangered anyone except the criminals in power and the myths that give credence to their hegemony
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I curse all those who stand in the way of the Jewish people attaining their goal of a Jewish state, safe and secure from attacks from enemies. All of my actions, all of my thoughts, and all of my prayers for the last six-seven years has been directed for this purpose. While I do have to make a living I do spend an inordinate amount of time involved with Israel and Israeli issues. I do have the intention to make the move and have actually investigated real-estate in the North, around Tzfat...
Unless you consider bashing Christians nonstop, defending scum of the earth like Lieberman, and insulting virtually every single Jew on the forum who disagrees with you in the slightest "an inordinate amount of time involved with Israel and Israeli issues", this post, which you have dodged every single time it has been addressed, says otherwise:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46698.msg446265.html#msg446265