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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: angryChineseKahanist on December 29, 2010, 08:59:34 PM
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It's a serious question and I sick and tired of the admin deleting stuff they don't agree with.
I've been a financial supporter of JTF for over 11 years, don't I at least get a toothbrush holder?
EDIT: Link removed. Obscenity removed.
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Helen Thomas is an Arab.
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Hell no!
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Ted Pike is a vile anti-Semite. Helen calls herself a "semite" because she is an Arab. He actually says many things that are completely false in that article. For example, he says that Helen calls for a shared 'palestine,' but then provides a quote that does not support that idea AT ALL. I would not trust this guy for a minute
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Helen Thomas is an Arab Christian of Lebanese ancestry. She is very pro-fakestinian and she practically shills for Hezbollah. Ted Pike is an anti-semite.
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Helen Thomas is an Arab Christian of Lebanese ancestry.
I though she was an Muzzie?
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The admin you called "[censored]" is Shlomo. He was the one who removed your first post. My guess, since he didn't tell me why did so, is that he doesn't want links to an anti-semitic website here. And frankly, I understand where he's coming from.
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Helen Thomas is an Arab Christian of Lebanese ancestry.
I though she was an Muzzie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Thomas
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/22855/frau-helen-thomas-wants-to-join-pat-buchanans-army-too/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Helen_Thomas_a_Christian
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That site is a missionary site BTW...
Read its page on Israel... Very missionary stuff...
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ACK,
Why do you link to a site which contains such anti-semitic libels such as:
Israel From the Perspective of the Bible
http://www.truthtellers.org/israel.html
The Bible is emphatic that G-d ordained the Jewish people as His vehicle to bring Jesus into the world to redeem all who trust in Him. The Bible is also emphatic that, despite Israel's rejection of Jesus, G-d will someday obtain national righteousness from Israel, and a remnant will "look upon Him" whom their fathers pierced (John 18:37). During the thousand years of righteousness under Christ's rule, Israel will give their Messiah the praise and honor due to Him.
Yet, because Israel has not yet experienced such a change of heart, but rather, opposes Christ and his followers, our Lord and New Testament Scriptures warn Christians to be suspicious of the "whited sepulchers" of a religion based on the teachings of those who killed Christ, the pharisees. Christ said, "beware of the leaven (teachings) of the pharisees, which is hypocrisy." (Mark 8:15) Paul said of the Jews, "beware of the concision." (Philippians 3:2) He also said of the Jews, that "from the standpoint of the gospel" they are enemies for your sake. (Rom. 11:28)
That site is obviously an anti-semitic missionary piece of excrement site! I ask you to please remove the link here...
PS: This confirms what I was telling an associate about Christian belief that the Pharisees which are discussed in the NT represent the Jewish people today...
The Jewish people will NEVER worship that man..
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It's a serious question and I sick and tired of the admin deleting stuff they don't agree with.
I've been a financial supporter of JTF for over 11 years, don't I at least get a toothbrush holder?
The admins don't just delete stuff they don't agree with. But they DO delete links to nazi websites.
We Jews also don't have to sit here and refute every dishonest assertion that nazis make about Jews. No, she is not a Jew.
Nazis claim that every person they don't like is Jewish. You couldn't do a simple internet search to find out the facts? Ok, so all of us will say 'No, she's not Jewish,' and then you can be proud of your thread, but will you believe us or believe the nazis?
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One of the stupid arguments I've heard Arab Muslims use in Pal Talk is that Arabs are "semites", therefore Jews are the real "anti-Semites". They then say they can't be anti-Semitic because they don't hate themselves. :::D
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Yes, and so is Reverend Wright, and Mahmoud Ahmadinijad, and Bin Laden.
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The word Anti-semite was invented by the germans to describe Jew-hatred, nothing more.
Those who argue that muslim arabs cannot be antisemites is playing a semantic game. The word means "JEW HATER" not having anything to do with race. Tell whoever uses this word game that they have been caught and you can see through their Jew hatred.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, and/or religion. In its extreme form, it "attributes to the Jews an exceptional position among all other civilizations, defames them as an inferior group and denies their being part of the nations" in which they reside.[1] A person who holds such views is called an "antisemite".
Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from individual expressions of hatred and discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs, or even state police, or military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Extreme instances of persecution include the First Crusade of 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the expulsion from Portugal in 1497, various pogroms, the Dreyfus Affair, and perhaps the most infamous, the Holocaust by Nazi Germany.
While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"),[2] and that has been its normal use since then.[3]
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The word Anti-semite was invented by the germans to describe Jew-hatred, nothing more.
Those who argue that muslim arabs cannot be antisemites is playing a semantic game. The word means "JEW HATER" not having anything to do with race. Tell whoever uses this word game that they have been caught and you can see through their Jew hatred.
I personally never use the term anti-semite. I prefer Jew-hater, sounds less politically correct and more to-the-point.
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Well then I'm lowering my opinion of the admins.
the hit-and-run admin is no longer a man in my eyes.
I have no idea about the website or its owner.
I have never spamed the forum. And I always give people the benifit before passing judgement. I deserve better respect than that.
Just because I post a link does not mean I endorse it. The only thing I'm guilty of is having blinders on when I read the single page on that site.
Have I ever hurt anyone? I have never gotten a complaint about hurting anyone.
Am I always in my right mind when I make a post? Sadly, not always.
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It was obvious angryChineseKahanist didn't realise it was a Nazi site, he just wanted an answer to his question and provided a bad link.
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ACK,
I did not suggest that you knew what kind of site it was. I was not the one who removed your thread. But I did ask if you could remove the link yourself. I am sorry you feel bad about this and I hope we can get past this. I do not think you did anything malicious.
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Theodore Winston Pike (yimach schmo vezichro) is scum of the earth. He is a hardcore WN Nazi who masquerades as an evangelical Christian.
ACK, I realize you didn't know this was a Nazi site, but you should have just thought about the credibility of that argument.
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The admin you called "[censored]" is Shlomo. He was the one who removed your first post. My guess, since he didn't tell me why did so, is that he doesn't want links to an anti-semitic website here. And frankly, I understand where he's coming from.
Yes, Shlomo is one of our best admins here and he does a very good job of protecting our forum. I think you owe him an apology.
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Well then I'm lowering my opinion of the admins.
the hit-and-run admin is no longer a man in my eyes.
I have no idea about the website or its owner.
I have never spamed the forum. And I always give people the benifit before passing judgement. I deserve better respect than that.
Just because I post a link does not mean I endorse it. The only thing I'm guilty of is having blinders on when I read the single page on that site.
Have I ever hurt anyone? I have never gotten a complaint about hurting anyone.
Am I always in my right mind when I make a post? Sadly, not always.
Surely you are a well respected member. You make a good point that if an admin deletes your post you should be notified about this with the reason why your post had been removed. I don't think anybody tried to insult you on purpose.
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I can see it both ways. Yeah a reason should have been provided but this site linked is so horrifically vile and anti-Semitic that I can easily understand if he didn't feel it was necessary.
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That's one reason we have admins and moderators. Sometimes people make honest mistakes in what they post without knowing what kind of site it is. I think Shlomo was just trying to keep it from being promoted.
It might have been better to private message you after it was removed about why, but I don't think removing it was a bad thing in itself.
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It was obvious angryChineseKahanist didn't realise it was a Nazi site, he just wanted an answer to his question and provided a bad link.
So what? Whoever deleted it still is not to blame! I'm sure they didn't mean insult to aCK
Chinese Kahanist - Why are you taking it so personal that a message was deleted because it contained link to a nazi site?
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I thought she was a leftwing Jew.
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I thought she was a leftwing Jew.
You are probably thinking of Madeleine Albright (ys) who looks a lot like her.
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It was a terrible outburst. But where was my warning?
So, how would I know not to make the same mistake next time?
This is not the first time and I'm not the only one.
On other sites, you get a warning and an explanation so that you know not to make a similar mistake. And the admin is protected because the user was warned. The user can't say "but I didn't know". On JTF/e forum a user can say "I didn't know" a thousand times.
What happens here very often and to too many people is simply bad management. Why make enemies with people who could be of benefit?
I see two general paths people here can take. The half full path where persons can either benefit or at least not harm the organisation. Or the half empty path where persons can either hurt or not hurt the organisation.
How many people have left who could have otherwise helped? It's simply stupid for the admins to say they don't care let them leave.
So confront me, I'm not dangerous.
I'm discontent but very tolerant. 95% of the time I just "take it".
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Why are you discontent?
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Why are you discontent?
It just popped out. Its no surprise I'm not a good communicator.
I'm not happy with the way things get handled.
Not only with the mysterious vanishing posts.
What happens when someone volunteers to help? It gets ignored. Free advice or free labor. That's just blind.
I've asked lots of times.
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One of the stupid arguments I've heard Arab Muslims use in Pal Talk is that Arabs are "semites", therefore Jews are the real "anti-Semites". They then say they can't be anti-Semitic because they don't hate themselves. :::D
Ishmael was half Semite [by the way of Avraham], and half Hamite [by the way of Hagar]. Ishmael took a Hamite wife, and as of such all of his children were 3/4 Hamite, and 1/4 Semite. For an Arab to claim they are a Semite is to ignore the fact they are predominantly Hamite.
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They are Satanites because they are descended from the devil's butthole.
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It was a terrible outburst. But where was my warning?
So, how would I know not to make the same mistake next time?
This is not the first time and I'm not the only one.
On other sites, you get a warning and an explanation so that you know not to make a similar mistake. And the admin is protected because the user was warned. The user can't say "but I didn't know". On JTF/e forum a user can say "I didn't know" a thousand times.
What happens here very often and to too many people is simply bad management. Why make enemies with people who could be of benefit?
I see two general paths people here can take. The half full path where persons can either benefit or at least not harm the organisation. Or the half empty path where persons can either hurt or not hurt the organisation.
How many people have left who could have otherwise helped? It's simply stupid for the admins to say they don't care let them leave.
So confront me, I'm not dangerous.
I'm discontent but very tolerant. 95% of the time I just "take it".
Ok, I hear what you're saying.
How do you propose we can improve this
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One of the stupid arguments I've heard Arab Muslims use in Pal Talk is that Arabs are "semites", therefore Jews are the real "anti-Semites". They then say they can't be anti-Semitic because they don't hate themselves. :::D
Ishmael was half Semite [by the way of Avraham], and half Hamite [by the way of Hagar]. Ishmael took a Hamite wife, and as of such all of his children were 3/4 Hamite, and 1/4 Semite. For an Arab to claim they are a Semite is to ignore the fact they are predominantly Hamite.
The word "Semitic" is confusing in itself. It obscures the difference between Semitic languages and Semitic as an ethnic designation. Jews and Arabs are not closely related to each other in genetic terms, as several recent DNA studies have shown. But they do speak related languages, for historical reasons.
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I thought Thomas was a Lebanese Arab.