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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on August 12, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
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"Jewish" rappers are more pathetic than any other living and breathing entity on the planet. What morons
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Which of the following types do you consider "Jewish" ?
Shyne ?
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/11/11/arts/11shinecap/11shinecap-articleLarge.jpg)
Drake ?
(http://www.thejc.com/files/imagecache/body_landscape/drake.jpg)
Matisyau ?
(http://www.pbpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/matisyahu1.jpg)
Subliminal ?
(http://storage.tipo.co.il/apps/cms/upload/12/12_cms_normal_1279631294000000000.JPG)
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Shyne and Drake are not even Halachically Jewish
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Drake's mother is Jewish, his father's black.
Shyne claims to be a convert, but he is not just a simple Jew, he is a Levi:
Born Jamaal Michael Barrow, Shyne also goes by the Hebrew name Moshe Levi Ben-David.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/60620/orthodox-rapper-shyne-wooing-kanye-jay-z (http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/60620/orthodox-rapper-shyne-wooing-kanye-jay-z)
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What a load of Nazi BS
Shyne claims to be a convert, but he is not just a simple Jew, he is a Levi:
Born Jamaal Michael Barrow, Shyne also goes by the Hebrew name Moshe Levi Ben-David.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/60620/orthodox-rapper-shyne-wooing-kanye-jay-z (http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/60620/orthodox-rapper-shyne-wooing-kanye-jay-z)
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All rappers are pathetic and untalented. Regardless of race and or religion.
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All rappers are pathetic and untalented. Regardless of race and or religion.
When they are supposed to be G-d's representors on earth (the Chosen People), they're much much worse
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When they are supposed to be G-d's representors on earth, they're much much worse
No question about that.
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Rap isn't my cup of tea and I don't recommend that style of music especially or religious Jew like Matisyahu...
but it is what it is.
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Matisyahu does a lot more than 'rap'. He is a very talented artist. I think youndont know what you are talking about.
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Another thing... Why do you find it necessary to denigrate other Jews? I know Matisyahu is Jewish, have davened with him in minyan, and I find it strange that ever since I have known you all you do is denigrate others. Do you think you are doing the Jewish people a service by being such a complainer? Do you look for good in your fellow Jew or do you suffer from the dementia of Baseless Hatred {which in my experience you hate way too many people}.
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Rap isn't my cup of tea and I don't recommend that style of music especially or religious Jew like Matisyahu...
but it is what it is.
Art is art and to put a label like 'rap' on it is ridiculous. Matisyahu covers many diverse styles of music and I think he is awesome and talented which is more than can be said about the original poster of this thread... I wonder what talents this poster has aside from trying to disparage others.
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Is this rap?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPuU-iTIFoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtw_auJITlg
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Gangster Rap is an infection on society though and I join in condemning those who push that garbage on the populace.
But you cannot just label all those who perform music which some call 'rap' or others 'hip-hop' and equate it to gangster rap. I don't like rap in general but Matisyahu surely is not rap... He has touched on hip-hop and reggae and other styles but he is an artist and is not a 'rapper' as was stated by the OP...
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I just realized that the OP did not explicitly mention Matisyahu... Therefore maybe my response was not warranted. I don't know the other ones which Zelhar posted so I cannot comment. I do know Subliminal and occasionally listen to it but it is not my favorite...
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Everybody is entitled to the type of music they like to listen to.. For me it is all about melody and harmony...
Rap and hip hop "Melodies" rarely do it for me. It is what it is. In my opinion, I wish Matisyahu used a different style of music for his great lyrics. But it is what it is.
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Like I always say: rap crap.
In this case, its jewish crap. Or jews crapping.
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I like Matisyahus music, his music is not rap but Reggae.
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I like Matisyahus music, his music is not rap but Reggae.
So answer this question for me. Why would a white jew who just happens to be religious imitate music sung by blacks?
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So answer this question for me. Why would a white jew who just happens to be religious imitate music sung by blacks?
Matisyahu is not imitating black music... He is an artist who does many different styles of music. It is incorrect to label his art as 'rap' or 'reggae'... I think attempting to pigeon-hole his talent is a waste of time.
Then you can argue why would a Jew sing rock music, as it was ultimately invented by the blacks {as many musicoligists will point to the evolution of rock music through jazz & blues music}... And then you would attack all Jewish rock singers... And then you would start to attack Shlomo Carlebach who used a Guitar {which was not invented by Jews} and sang music which is similar to other music...
If he produced music which was morally wrong or supported opinions which run contrary to Judaism then I would condemn it... But Matisyahu is genuinely Jewish and his lyrics and his music are inspiring to many good Jews.
What is your beef with Matisyahu? Most people who comment have no idea what they are commenting on...
PS: Many great Rock bands also play Reggae... Does that make them black culture? No... Music style is not culture, it is a style of music which is inspiring to many. Also it is true that many melodies which we sing on Shabbat are not originally Jewish melodies but they are rather melodies of European origin. Should we not sing these Shabbat melodies?
http://www.jewishmag.com/129mag/jewish_music/jewish_music.htm
Following the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Jews were dispersed throughout the world. As a result, all aspects of Jewish culture—including music—took on diverse and variegated forms. “After the dispersion,” wrote composer Herbert Fromm, “[Jewish] sacred music was exposed to the ever changing influence of other nations.” Consciously or unconsciously, Jews heard certain music in the various countries in which they lived, and absorbed it into whatever musical tradition they had. For this reason, musicologists have been unable to isolate a common melody—sacred or secular—shared by all of the world’s Jewish communities.
This great diversity has led many to ask, “What is Jewish in Jewish music?” The truth is that there really is no definitive answer to this question. In fact, the most widely accepted description of Jewish music is functional rather than definitional: “Jewish music is that music which is made by Jews, for Jews, as Jews” (Curt Sachs). In other words, rather than trying to determine what styles of music are fundamentally Jewish, it is better to look for that music which functions Jewishly: music for the synagogue, Jewish weddings, Jewish theater, etc. In this connection, musicologist Marsha Bryan Edelman observed that, while it may be impossible to define Jewish music, there is certainly “music of the Jews.”
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Did any of you hear the songs by ill bill and necro?
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Did any of you hear the songs by ill bill and necro?
I never heard of them...
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I never heard of them...
What about Beastie Boys?
Also, what are your thoughts on House of Pain? They're not jews, but im just wondering
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What about Beastie Boys?
Also, what are your thoughts on House of Pain? They're not jews, but im just wondering
I remember the Beastie Boys... Never much of a fan though. I think I had 'License to Ill' back in the days...
After my Teshuva I have not listened to that kind of music though... I only listen to 60s-80s Rock and a little HM...
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Muman
I'm not attacking matisyahu our his message. I'm just not a fan of that style of music even if the message is good.
In my opinion, the more appropriate method should be what is common in today's jewish melodies. But that's my opinion.
Gd forbid if I should say matisyahu is evil or something.
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There is nothing evil about rap itself. If rap wasn't associated with violence, stealing, sex, materialism, etc it would never be such garbage. It's just been a tool for garbage people to make money spouting their awful messages.
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It might not be evil.
But even without the bad lyrics I think 80% of rap is awful.
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It might not be evil.
But even without the bad lyrics I think 80% of rap is awful.
Personally I think all rap is awful.
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This is more entertaining than rap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6z3WXuzXXc&feature=related
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I think I was mistaken in categorizing Matisyahu as "rap". He is a reggae and hip-hop artist, which is not quite rap but sort of proto-rap.
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This is more entertaining than rap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6z3WXuzXXc&feature=related
Yes, I do agree.
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I share the same views as Chaim Ben Pesach when it comes to Minorities however I will say the following, I don't necessarily listen to Rap, most of it is garbage banana jungle savage music, there is some I find entertaining, very few. Having said that I will say that I respect Shyne or whatever his real name is (MOSHE LEVIY), not only do I respect the man but I also feel he places many Jews and Israeli's to shame and I am the last man to give any credit to a Black wannabe Jew, I have allot of resentment towards blacks for the way they treat us. The reason I respect Shyne is because in his case you have a black man born into the typical black violent evil culture and he himself behaved like the typical savage evil rapper that he was, he promoted evil culture in his music and the evil lifestyle that goes along, in light of all this with all that he had on the line (fame, money, women) he decided to convert to Judaism. He could of taken the easy road and lied to himself by joining the fake Nazi jealous African doo doo tribe black Hebrew Israelites who are the scum of the earth hijacking a religion they have no connection with. Shyne did not take the easy road, he took the hardest most difficult rout by converting through strict Orthodox conversion in Jerusalem, I saw an interview on youtube where Shyne and a Ashkenaz Orthodox are speaking and I felt ashamed (posted below), I was ashamed because I saw a man not born to Jewish parents but had a passion and a desire to be of the Jewish faith according to our Jewish laws, no shortcuts, he didnt go to the fake reform Jew conversion (Madonna), he didn't convert out of love for a Jewish woman so he could marry like many Gentiles do, he did it out of love for Hashem and the Jewish STORY taken from the Torah. I admire the man, I respect that, I am humbled.
Why should I be humbled? Because millions of Jews were born into the tribe and have Jewish DNA running in their veins, you have Jewish Cohens with DNA dating all the way back to the time of Moses and Aharon, Yet all these Jews could care less about Judaism, Torah, Jewish Nationalism, Israel, Jewish traditions, Kosher Diets, etc... Millions of Jewish men and women born to Jewish parents trash our heritage, our faith in Hashem, they are Atheists, Socialist Anarchist, Liberals supporting One World Order, fact is you have so many Self hating Jews working 24/7 to undermine Torah, to destroy Israel, to destroy anything Jewish. That's why I say God Bless Shyne, it took a Black Gentile rapper to awaken the Jewish conscience, he understood the value of what so many Jews take for granted, I feel closer to Shyne than I do my own Libtard Left wing brothers and sisters living in Israel and America. I know Shyne has allot of sin on his hand however what the man is doing is a powerful Tshuvah, no, he is not going to be a Rabbi or some big Jewish leader but this man has more respect for our Torah than most Jews who believe its a fairy tale and for that I am in no position to judge him or his past. I wish all non religious Jews would acknowledge the gift of Judaism like many converts do, to convert from a Rapper to a Chassid should not be taken lightly, thats like going from the bottom of the New York sewage to the top of a mountain. I don't know if he is still on track, I can imagine how hard it must be to change the lifestyle from a famous Rap artist to a Kosher Jew in Israel out of all places. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I gave the man too much credit, but when I look at all the protesters in Tel Aviv I dont see anything Jewish, when I look at Shyne in the video below I see someone who really wants to be Jewish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJa9iaINsn0
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Today I spent Shabbos with my minyan and I discussed this with some of them.
I heard from people who know Matisyahu and have spent time with him and know his family. I asked them if he was a good Jew and I was told emphatically yes, he is a good Jew and thus I cannot speak badly of him.
These people also brought up this Shyne artist who all I know is the story which has been told. They told me that they also know people who know him {from Yeshiva} and that he has been keeping the commandments and supporting the Jewish people. So there too I will not speak ill of him.
I also learned that my good friend, and the Gabbai of our minyan, recently spoke with Rabbi Moshe Parry. Rabbi Parry is well known as a vocal Kahanist who lives in Los Angeles. I was very happy to hear that and took the opportunity to bless Rabbi Kahanes memory.
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Today I spent Shabbos with my minyan and I discussed this with some of them.
I heard from people who know Matisyahu and have spent time with him and know his family. I asked them if he was a good Jew and I was told emphatically yes, he is a good Jew and thus I cannot speak badly of him.
These people also brought up this Shyne artist who all I know is the story which has been told. They told me that they also know people who know him {from Yeshiva} and that he has been keeping the commandments and supporting the Jewish people. So there too I will not speak ill of him.
I also learned that my good friend, and the Gabbai of our minyan, recently spoke with Rabbi Moshe Parry. Rabbi Parry is well known as a vocal Kahanist who lives in Los Angeles. I was very happy to hear that and took the opportunity to bless Rabbi Kahanes memory.
I can speak against his music which sucks. I don't like intelligent individuals who imitate Afro-Caribbean accent, broken English, and silly music. I think it is as artistically dishonest and flawed as if there were a Jamaican Rastafarian singing Hasidic music in ashkenazi accent.
Back in the 80s there were lots of talented musicians like Sting customizing their tunes to sound reggae. I think it only decreased the quality of their work. All the really good a memorable songs of Sting and The police are rock n roll / punk songs. Since the 90s it seems like there is some sort of hip hop tax collected from every MTV aspiring musician. Basically in every clip on MTV you will see a schwartze rapper spew his crap somewhere along the tune and make jungle backgroung noise the rest of the song. Not that the popular music is so good by itself anyway...
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I like Matisyahus music, his music is not rap but Reggae.
True.
Calling him a wrapper is ignorant.
I also like his music.
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Yosef andarian? What's with the name?
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True.
Calling him a wrapper is ignorant.
I also like his music.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=o4m4wbYc08k
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What a load of Nazi BS
How is that "Nazi" at all? Can you stop throwing around words like "Nazi" or "anti Semite" or "Communist" when it is unnecessary.
Personally I think all rap is awful.
Because you've only heard mainstream "gangsta" rap.
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Yosef andarian? What's with the name?
What's wrong with it?
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I'm very surprised to hear Shyne is supposedly a practicing Jew. Many of his lyrics promote your typical violent gangster rap. He has also taken part in many rap feuds that were violent as well.
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I'm very surprised to hear Shyne is supposedly a practicing Jew. Many of his lyrics promote your typical violent gangster rap. He has also taken part in many rap feuds that were violent as well.
That was all before he found Judaism. Now he is reformed, or so he says.
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That was all before he found Judaism. Now he is reformed, or so he says.
Yes he did a full Orthodox conversion and has since been 'frum' according to those people I spoke with who know him from their Yeshiva....
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Ah well, good for him I suppose. Better than being like those nazi muslim-wannabes who claim to be the real Jews that yell at people on the street corners.
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cRap is not music.
If I was world dictator, anyone caught with cRap noise will be rounded up and gassed.
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Ah well, good for him I suppose. Better than being like those nazi muslim-wannabes who claim to be the real Jews that yell at people on the street corners.
Here are some articles which discuss him:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2010/11/12/taking-a-shyne-to-judaism/
Taking a Shyne to Judaism
By Yaakov Menken, on November 12th, 2010
The Jerusalem Post (from which this title was lifted) and the NY Times both published stories this week about the hip-hop artist “Shyne,” born Jamal Michael Barrow, and who now goes by the name Moshe Levy ben David when not performing. He has had quite a journey, from his birth in Belize to an Ethiopian Beta Israel mother, to the “hip hop scene” in NY, to several years in prison — and now to life in Jerusalem, where he is both studying in yeshivos and re-launching his music career.
My reaction to his music is, well… it’s rap. Or hip-hop. Or whatever they call it. I have always liked music that wasn’t the standard “yeshivishe” fare — perhaps due to a much more varied musical background — but I have trouble placing spoken words over a beat loop in the category of “music” (this, from the author of the “Yeshiva Rap”). Compare to Matisyahu, whose beats and music are, at least in my opinion, somewhat more sober (in other words, a lot less “rocked up”) than a lot of “Jewish” music today (which, of course, often lifts riffs and beats, if not entire music tracks, from secular rock). Matisyahu also puts obvious Jewish ideas into his music. They say similar things are coming from Shyne, but while it may be true that he has dropped the obscenities and misogynistic lyrics which reportedly characterized his earlier efforts, I wasn’t comfortable linking to his new release.
What is impressive, though, is Moshe Levy’s interview with the Jerusalem Post. He speaks with obvious sincerity about his process of growth and change, in a dialogue sprinkled inspirational references to people from Tanach (the Bible), and discusses both his checkered past and his transformation due to Torah observance. Because of who he is, the Jerusalem Post printed positive reflections on Judaism that we rarely get to see in the “mainstream” press, and his words can inspire secular teens who wouldn’t listen to most anyone else who spent much of his time in chassidic garb. I feel he was mekadesh Shem Shamayim (sanctified G-d’s Name), and if his lyrics help others to grow beyond the life of violence and “fast living,” he should be blessed for that as well.
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Jeff Seidel
November 16, 2010 at 11:20 am
Here in Israel,Shyne and I are daily study partners in the Yeshiva – College for Jewish Learning, he is very prompt, punctual, attentive, and a real pleasure to study with. As a result we have become very good friends. We just spent a weekend on Prague with a gathering of students from Hebrew University, Tel Aviv University, and Ben Gurion University. As we walk the streets of Jerusalem together, he has become a popular figure and an inspiration to all the young people here.
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cRap is not music.
If I was world dictator, anyone caught with cRap noise will be rounded up and gassed.
If I was world dictator I would round up and gass anyone who liked Punk music or Classical music...
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Here are some articles which discuss him:
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2010/11/12/taking-a-shyne-to-judaism/
Muman, I hear what the argument is...Sometimes, if the good lyrics are presented in a way that certain others can understand, it might turn them to go along to a better more sober or clean life. Can you tell me, from your experience, how often that happens? And when it does happen, how often does that person change the cultural attitude of the expression that he/she grew up with..So for the example of rap. Secular teenagers identify with rap. One gets turned on to Judaism because of Shyne's lyrics. When that person turns to Judaism, how often does he realize that rap is really crap?
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Muman, I hear what the argument is...Sometimes, if the good lyrics are presented in a way that certain others can understand, it might turn them to go along to a better more sober or clean life. Can you tell me, from your experience, how often that happens? And when it does happen, how often does that person change the cultural attitude of the expression that he/she grew up with..So for the example of rap. Secular teenagers identify with rap. One gets turned on to Judaism because of Shyne's lyrics. When that person turns to Judaism, how often does he realize that rap is really crap?
I dont know the answer to your question. As I have stated my person experience is that I have always HATED with passion Gangster Rap and established my position over 15 years ago... But what drew me into this discussion was the inclusion of Matisyahu who really started with a very good rendition of reggae. Just before my Teshuva I got into reggae music and bought a large library of popular reggae artists. So it was natural for me, during my return to Jewish thought and philosophy, to be drawn to Matisyahu music. Over last Sunday I spent a good deal of time listening to his music and I re-affirmed by feelings that he is a great artist.
I think that this music {Matisyahu} is good to help bring Jews back to their religion. In my case it was the right music at the right time.
I cannot comment on many of the others because I am not familiar with it.
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"Jewish" crapping.
muman, what kind of noise do you listen to?
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa59/Joe_Cannibal/no-crapping-in-the-forrest-a21.jpg)
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"Jewish" crapping.
muman, what kind of noise do you listen to?
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa59/Joe_Cannibal/no-crapping-in-the-forrest-a21.jpg)
What kind of question is that?
I have said many times what music I listen, and have listened to.
In the 1980s I was somewhat of a 'Deadhead' and attended at least 30 Grateful Dead shows from 1984-1995 {over 10 years}. I was a fan of the Canadian band Rush since my highschool years and saw Rush {the 2nd show of my life} in 1983. Also I got into Heavy Metal for a while in the 90s and saw Metallica, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, and others. I did not like the music of the 90s called grunge although I was dragged to a SoundGarden show by some friends.
I stopped going to shows in 2001 after camping out at Mountain Aire to see Phil & Phriends. In 2002 I was interested in reggae and bought several of the popular reggae artists including Steel Pulse and several other authentic reggae bands.
I have said many times that in 2003 I went through a period of 'Teshuva' and reestablished my Jewish roots and spent my time studying with an Orthodox Rabbi and davening in a minyan. At about this time I discovered Matisyahu whos lyrics are inspiring to me {and still are very much}. I also bought many 'traditional' Jewish CDs which contain prayers put to music, such as Shlomo Carlebach and Avraham Fried.
Most days I just listen to the same Matisyahu CD in my car because I am so sick of the 'classic rock' stations which keep on playing the same Led Zepplin songs over and over again.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4ITpk8avl3o/TU8lrm3-9kI/AAAAAAAAAe8/GfBkLMQsmH0/s800/GD_12_09_1989.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4f16N47Ix30/TU8lqSHCm5I/AAAAAAAAAeg/uHx6vnPgLrE/s800/GD_07_31_1988.jpg)
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For me it is all about melody and harmony...
Me too. This is why I like classical music.
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@muman
Ok fine. We dont agree on music.
The only problem I have is with the vile stuff.
I'll tolerate boring or annoying music.
I'll even tolerate that stuff you listen to. Except that cRap.
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I do notconsider schvartzas to be Jews.The Ethiopians are the synagougeof Satan.
I'm not Jewish but I know Jewish law has pretty clear guidelines on who is Jewish and who isn't and many black Jews do fit those definitions.
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What's wrong with it?
I didn't know who that is.
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Did any of you know anything of these clowns? :::D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDX5YpHiV6E&feature=channel_video_title
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Chaim has said that although he disagrees with the medium, there are a few Jewish rappers out there who use rap to spread the message of Torah Judaism. Matisyahu is not actually a rapper, he is a reggae artist.
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Me too. This is why I like classical music.
There's lots of classical music that isn't harmonic! Perhaps you should try some Ligeti for a change.
Check out his grave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ligeti.jpg
It rules! Love that grave...
Also check out Scott Storch, you naszi, StørmFrønt-like racists-in-denial! You'll really dig his stuff, I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2vTMj3SLFg
I don't think you should try to identify yourself or others necessarily by what music you like, especially if you're the sort that enjoys different kinds of music at different times in your life, or during different situations, if you like a variety.
There's nothing wrong with liking any kind of sounds, actually. Nothing in the Noahide Laws, the Bible, Maimonides, or anything else that I'm aware of (except perhaps Islam and Medieval Christianity) is actually against hearing certain kinds of sounds.
Just enjoy what you like. And it's perfectly possible (and normal) to like both rap and classical! (Yes, rap by black people, too, or opera by black people if you prefer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYyhI1uk8Y&feature=related )
What, you don't like black people?
This place actually is racist, despite everyone seeming to be in denial about it.
- msd / matt
stale
P.S. I see you automatically add the slash through the o's for "st or mfr ont." Nice forum trick you got going there?
What a shady place this is...
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I can speak against his music which sucks. I don't like intelligent individuals who imitate Afro-Caribbean accent, broken English, and silly music. I think it is as artistically dishonest and flawed as if there were a Jamaican Rastafarian singing Hasidic music in ashkenazi accent.
Off the top of my head I can think of two examples of Jamaicans singing like Jews.
This song's heavy Jewish influence is obvious (Hatikvah, Fiddler on the Roof). In the 90's, you couldn't walk into a club without hearing this one.
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In this next one at 2:12 Bob Marley sings nigunim
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Yql9I2zARd4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Shyne claims to be a convert, but he is not just a simple Jew, he is a Levi:
Born Jamaal Michael Barrow, Shyne also goes by the Hebrew name Moshe Levi Ben-David.
Something is not right. How can that be his Hebrew name. And how can a convert be a Levite? Converts join the tribe of Yisroel, they can never do giyur and become Levites or Kohanim. Furthermore, how can a convert be "Ben David", unless his father is a Jew he would be a ben Avraham Avinu. But who am I know the circumstances like:
- Convert son of a Gentile mother/Jewish father= ben-Jewish father's Hebrew name
- Convert of Gentile mother= ben/bat Avraham Avinu
- -Not a convert. Son/daughter of a Jewish mother /Gentile father= not a convert but not assigned to any tribe= Ben/bat Avraham
But for a convert son of Gentile parents to be a ben David AND a Levite? o_O this is accepted? Maybe Levi is just part of his first/second name and not alluding membership into to the tribe of the Levites.
As for Matisyahu, I like him. Although I miss the bearded days. He's sadly taken some badmouthing from people ever since he shaved off his beard and bleached his hair blonde. In my opinion and as much as I like him, I honestly feel he went Hasidic too soon. It's happened to some people that they go from secular to Hasidic and then after a few years they end up MO, shomer mitzvot or just religiously Orthodox. The advise from these people is usually always something like "take it one step at a time". I don't know, just my observation. One thing for sure is that Hasidic teachings were a good influence on Matisyahu and in his music.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGSWEOZRTh4
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Ben-David could be a last name in modern Hebrew. Like Ben-Gurion. When there is a hyphen between Ben and the next name, it's usually a last name and not "the son of".
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Warning explicit lyrics! ( Christians, Masons, and Jews rapping)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn_Be5VvT54&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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What about Beastie Boys?
Also, what are your thoughts on House of Pain? They're not jews, but im just wondering
Everlast was a Catholic who converted to islam!
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Also check out Scott Storch, you naszi, StørmFrønt-like racists-in-denial! You'll really dig his stuff, I think.
I don't take any kind of advice from a sick piece of garbage like you.
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I don't take any kind of advice from a sick piece of garbage like you.
I think that guy is long gone from the forum at this point. That post was from Aug 20, 2011...
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Warning, Warning, Warning!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPOyLtu5AG8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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http://youtu.be/8dflGhGHjm0
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This genre rap has always been xenophobic for me and I actually had to put up with this genre in my young years to tag along with black people in my neighborhood and it just completely isn't for me. Luckily, the older black people in over their 40s I talk to are against this rap genre and we have common music tastes in blues and jazz.
But rap.. I mean PLAY INSTRUMENTS DAMN IT. I don't want to hear gibberish or slangs. A friggin low form of "art" at best.
On the other hand, I have some cousins that listen to rap and they talk slang, use the N word and I go... Wth Smh o_0
Yes they are muslim rap listeners. Worse combination in the world ever.
I happen to be the only Mid-eastern rocker and metaller in the family for those of you notice I post a lot of Metal music on Jtf.
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jews should not be cRaping.
they have more brains than that.
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jews should not be cRaping.
they have more brains than that.
It's repetitive as hell. Makes me want to go to sleep. Boringggggg.
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I've developed a liking of Jewish Hip-Hop and know of at least four great Jewish 'rappers'. I do not like any non-Jewish rap because the only thing which is good about it is good Jewish themes.
Some good artists:
Prodezra
Jewda Maccabee
Shtar
Ben Yomin
Nossan Zand
Here are some Shtar songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Wb2EpECLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxNTjSGtaAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLxFcaYYGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhqgLKCMDXU
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Interesting links, Muman. Thanks for sharing.
I recently got into "Yiddish hip hop". I was hoping to find Jewish hip hop but did not find enough on my own. So these links help.
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I know most MOST people won't agree, but the drums and rhythm combined with the timing of syllables and words is amazing sometimes... And the lyrics have meaning, country and blues music is similar in some ways. When I was in school I was actually in honor band, jazz and blues.
Noahide, I don't know how you can listen to lyrics you can't understand, it sounds like noise... :)
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cRap should be illegal just like Islam. It is the biggest promoter of domestic terrorism and denigration in the U.S.
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@אפרים בן נח It's called atmosphere my son.
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Shyne and Drake are not even Halachically Jewish
Shyne did a halachic conversion & hangs around with the Belzers here in Jerusalem.
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cRap should be illegal just like Islam. It is the biggest promoter of domestic terrorism and denigration in the U.S.
You just listen to the wrong kind. I can point to many good hip-hop songs with honest, clean, Jewish messages...
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cRap should be illegal just like Islam. It is the biggest promoter of domestic terrorism and denigration in the U.S.
Maybe prayer should also be outlawed, as Muslims pray 5 times a day, and Jews are only required to pray 3 times a day...
By your calculation prayer is the biggest promoter of domestic and international terrorism...
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Hodu Lashem (Thanks to G-d)... By BenYomen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofn6MegG11Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX5a_kSQ5ps
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I have posted this one before (maybe a few times) but it still ranks among my favorite hip-hop 'Jewish' songs. It utilizes a theme which the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov made famous. We sing 'Kol HaOlam Kulo (gesher tzar meod)' on Shabbat afternoon after lunch many Shabbatons, which means 'The Whole World Is a Narrow Bridge' and 'The Main Thing is to Have No Fear At All'....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvoWCYaMDE
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I listened for a second and I heard him say "We be those Hebrews". Why can't they at least do it in real English?
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Maybe prayer should also be outlawed, as Muslims pray 5 times a day, and Jews are only required to pray 3 times a day...
By your calculation prayer is the biggest promoter of domestic and international terrorism...
I'm not talking about all rap just cRap like "I piss on that hoe smoking a doobie shooting up &#*@)es" which I have heard likewise in real cRap song lyrics which people will play down the road at ridiculous volumes in front of children
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I listened for a second and I heard him say "We be those Hebrews". Why can't they at least do it in real English?
It would depend on the rhyme which is being rapped, I don't particularly recall in which song that line is used but at this point I have heard some incredible rhymes from some of these guys. I have been listening to Nossan Zand from Boston, Mass lately and he is pretty talented.
I surely realize that everyone has different tastes in music, so I don't expect you to like it like I do. My musical background, if you have not heard before, is mainly 80s Rock (Rush, Styx, Yes, Van Halen) and Heavy Metal (Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath) and I was quite a Deadhead in the 80s (saw the band 40 times). For a long time I refused to listen to any rap because all there was at the time was the 'gansta rap' which I was (like it seems some here) very vocally against. There are still discussions on the Internet from those days (90s) in the 'rec.music.gdead' usenet archives where I was called a 'racist' for being against gangsta rap, but what is interesting is that at that time I was also for 'gun control' which I am firmly against today.
Anyway, don't watch the videos I post if you find them irritating. I find the lyrics mostly inspiring and listen to these songs on my car stereo (with sub-woofer) and they sound great (and not rumbling like those creeps who drive by with distorted speakers).
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I'm not talking about all rap just cRap like "I piss on that hoe smoking a doobie shooting up &#*@)es" which I have heard likewise in real cRap song lyrics which people will play down the road at ridiculous volumes in front of children
Ok, now I get it... I call that 'Gangsta Rap'...
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Two more and I hang it up for tonite..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LuQt6n8MEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg7a9TFTD44
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Ok, sue me.... Two more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxljKVcjyNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIldIUUmGdc
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Three...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5LojKJbAo
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Hey Muman. Do you think G-d said "don't shave the corners of your beard" instead of your hair, because you're not supposed to shave?
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Hey Muman. Do you think G-d said "don't shave the corners of your beard" instead of your hair, because you're not supposed to shave?
Why do you ask this in this thread? I believe I discussed the mitzvah of 'peyot' which you are referring to.
I believe it says 'the corners of the head' which the sages determined are 'side-burns' on the sides of the head. The mitzvah of not shaving with a 'razor' is an entirely different commandment. The length of this hair has been debated and the way it may be cut is with scissors.
If you like we could discuss it more in the Torah section...
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I've developed a liking of Jewish Hip-Hop and know of at least four great Jewish 'rappers'. I do not like any non-Jewish rap because the only thing which is good about it is good Jewish themes.
Some good artists:
Prodezra
Jewda Maccabee
Shtar
Ben Yomin
Nossan Zand
Here are some Shtar songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Wb2EpECLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxNTjSGtaAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsLxFcaYYGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhqgLKCMDXU
:laugh:
You like that krap?
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:laugh:
You like that krap?
You don't like them... Okay you'll LOVE this one. Warning f word said once!
http://youtu.be/-Xs3nSp1Zeg
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I have posted this one before (maybe a few times) but it still ranks among my favorite hip-hop 'Jewish' songs. It utilizes a theme which the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov made famous. We sing 'Kol HaOlam Kulo (gesher tzar meod)' on Shabbat afternoon after lunch many Shabbatons, which means 'The Whole World Is a Narrow Bridge' and 'The Main Thing is to Have No Fear At All'....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvoWCYaMDE
He is officially now a Jew. He can't rap for sh^t.
He was much better before when he was a true ------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0cyz9bgZU
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He is officially now a Jew. He can't rap for sh^t.
He was much better before when he was a true ------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0cyz9bgZU
BIG TIME WARNING ON THAT ONE!
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You don't like them... Okay you'll LOVE this one. Warning f word said once!
ahhhh such beautiful poetry
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ahhhh such beautiful poetry
:::D :::D
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All rappers are pathetic and untalented. Regardless of race and or religion.
Fully disagree. Not every rapper is singing about drugs, money and women. More then enough rappers singing about real life. About problems, about love, about death, about pain. I think it's realy stupid to call ALL rappers regardless....
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Two more and I hang it up for tonite..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LuQt6n8MEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg7a9TFTD44
I should lie if i say i not enjoy these 2 songs.
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Rav Amnon Yitzhak making fun of rap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADN9IzL_MbI
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Dust Up! Here is more Nosan Zand for you all...
Fast Lane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1B-bp-_bfM
Bound Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJrJD-UYQM
Believer w/Matisyahu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Ay5vTlRxc
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I hope some of you are watching these videos and enjoying them. I don't post them for my own amusement...
:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjdyV--4p0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4JktunTTNE
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Dust Up! Here is more Nosan Zand for you all...
Fast Lane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1B-bp-_bfM
Bound Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJrJD-UYQM
Believer w/Matisyahu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Ay5vTlRxc
Just noticed that the other guy in the 'believers' video is from the film 'The Possession'! ;D
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http://youtu.be/hfi4DAUiLdc
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Not technically rap, but anyway.
http://youtu.be/gJXdGfBedqw
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Mattisyahu is completely off the derech nowadays.
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Is rap forbidden during the Three Weeks, or does it not count as music?
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Is rap forbidden during the Three Weeks, or does it not count as music?
:::D
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Is rap forbidden during the Three Weeks, or does it not count as music?
Justin Beiber squealing doesn't count either. It's just something you generally shouldn't do.
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Is rap forbidden during the Three Weeks, or does it not count as music?
I believe any 'music' which employs musical instruments is considered music which is forbidden during periods of mourning. The three-weeks is a period of mourning and only acappella music is permitted.
From the Chabad website:
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/527621/jewish/Am-I-allowed-to-listen-to-recorded-music-during-the-Three-Weeks.htm
The general consensus of most contemporary Halachic authorities is that like live music, listening to recorded music is prohibited during the Three Weeks mourning period. (Click here for more mourning practices observed during this time.)
Recorded a cappella music is the subject of debate between Halachic authorities. Rabbi Moshe Feinstein (1895-1986, foremost Halachic authority of the last generation), rules that it is permissible to listen to such music during the Three Weeks, while others disagree. You would be well-advised to consult with your local rabbi regarding this matter.
Best wishes,
Rabbi Baruch S. Davidson
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Justin Beiber squealing doesn't count either. It's just something you generally shouldn't do.
The issue is not the voice, it is the musical instruments.... Listening to only voice is permitted...
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The issue is not the voice, it is the musical instruments.... Listening to only voice is permitted...
There's another one I think where you can't sing I heard... and i would advise not listening to Justin Beiber without the computer music behind to drown some of it out.
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There's another one I think where you can't sing I heard... and i would advise not listening to Justin Beiber without the computer music behind to drown some of it out.
The only thing I know which relates to voice is that a man cannot listen to a woman singing, especially a woman singing live before men. This is called 'Kol Isha'... But I do not know any Jewish custom of not listening to vocal singing.
http://koltorah.org/ravj/The%20Parameters%20of%20Kol%20Isha.htm
Here is the beginning of this article reproduced:
The Parameters of Kol Isha
by Rabbi Howard Jachter
The Gemara (Berachot 24a) records the prohibition of Kol Isha. In this essay, we shall outline the parameters of this issue, as delineated by twentieth century Halachic authorities. We shall discuss the source of the prohibition and its applicability in our times. Then we shall discuss the questions of whether this prohibition applies to Zemirot, tape recordings, and radio broadcasts. We shall conclude with a brief discussion regarding husband-wife restrictions, and men hearing young girls sing.
The Source of the Prohibition
The Gemara (Berachot 24a) states, “The voice of a woman is Ervah, as the Pasuk [in Shir Hashirim 2:14] states ‘let me hear your voice because your voice is pleasant and appearance attractive.’” Rashi explains that the Pasuk in Shir Hashirim indicates that a woman’s voice is attractive to a man, and is thus prohibited to him. Rav Hai Gaon (cited in the Mordechai, Berachot 80) writes that this restriction applies to a man who is reading Kriat Shema, because a woman’s singing will distract him. The Rosh (Berachot 3:37) disagrees and writes that the Gemara refers to all situations and is not limited to Kriat Shema. The Shulchan Aruch rules that the Kol Isha restriction applies to both Kriat Shema (Orach Chaim 75:3) and other contexts (Even Haezer 21:2). The Rama (O.C. 75:3) and Bait Shmuel (21:4) clarify that this prohibition applies only to a woman’s singing voice and not to her speaking voice.
The Shulchan Aruch (E.H. 20:1) rules in accordance with the view of the Rambam (Hilchot Issurei Biah 21:1) that a couple is biblically forbidden to have physical contact if they are forbidden to live with each other. The Acharonim (summarized in Teshuvot Yabia Omer 1:6) debate whether the Kol Isha prohibition is also a biblical level prohibition. Rav Ovadia Yosef (ibid.) rules in accordance with the opinions that it is only a rabbinical prohibition.
Both Rav Ovadia Yosef (ibid) and Rav Yehuda Henkin (Teshuvot Bnei Banim 3:127) reject the claim that this prohibition does not apply today since men nowadays are accustomed to hear a woman’s voice. These authorities explain that since the Gemara and Shulchan Aruch codify this prohibition, we do not enjoy the right to abolish it. The Gemara and its commentaries do not even hint at a possibility that this prohibition might not apply if men become habituated to hearing a woman’s voice. Thus, all recognized Poskim agree that the prohibition of Kol Isha applies today.
Zemirot
There is, however, considerable disagreement regarding the scope of the Kol Isha prohibition. For example, the question of its applicability to Zemirot has been discussed at some length in the twentieth century responsa literature. Rav Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg (Teshuvot Seridei Eish 2:8) notes that traditionally women refrained from singing Zemirot when there were males who were not family members sitting at the Shabbat table. However, he records that the practice in Germany was for woman to sing Zemirot in the company of unrelated men. Rav Weinberg records that Rav Azriel Hildesheimer and Rav Samson Raphael Hirsch (two great German Rabbis of the nineteenth century) sanctioned this practice. Rav Weinberg reports that they based their ruling on the Talmudic rule (Megila 21b) that “Trei Kali Lo Mishtamai,” two voices cannot be heard simultaneously.
Rav Weinberg writes that he does not find this explanation satisfying (perhaps because the Gemara (Sotah 48a) writes that men and women singing together is a major impropriety). Rav Weinberg instead defends the German Jewish practice by citing the Sdei Chemed (Klalim, Maarechet Hakuf, 42) who quotes the Divrei Cheifetz who asserts that the Kol Isha prohibition does not apply to women singing Zemirot, singing songs to children, and lamentations for the dead. This authority explains that in these contexts men do not derive pleasure from the woman’s voice. In fact, the Pasuk (Shoftim 5:1) records that Devora the prophetess sang a song of praise to Hashem together with Barak the son of Avinoam. According to the simple reading of the text, Devora was married to Lapidot and not Barak. The Sdei Chemed writes that he believes that it is proper to be strict and not follow the approach of the Divrei Cheifetz, but he regards the lenient opinion as a viable approach.
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Is rap forbidden during the Three Weeks, or does it not count as music?
Music is not forbidden during the 3 weeks, their is no such law. Now their are those particularly from Askenasi descent who took it upon themselves not to listen to music, but Chazal never had this idea of the "3 weeks" and one won't find anywhere in the Mishna or Talmudh or Rishonim mentioning such a concept.
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Music is not forbidden during the 3 weeks, their is no such law. Now their are those particularly from Askenasi descent who took it upon themselves not to listen to music, but Chazal never had this idea of the "3 weeks" and one won't find anywhere in the Mishna or Talmudh or Rishonim mentioning such a concept.
Really? What is forbidden for the 3 weeks?
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Really? What is forbidden for the 3 weeks?
Nothing out of the ordinary. Their is from Rosh Hodesh Av and onward some things, then the week of TishaBav and then on Tishabav itself (different levels and diff. restrictions) but the whole concept of the 3 weeks is fairly new.
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Nothing out of the ordinary. Their is from Rosh Hodesh Av and onward some things, then the week of TishaBav and then on Tishabav itself (different levels and diff. restrictions) but the whole concept of the 3 weeks is fairly new.
Okay, thank you.
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The Gemara (Berachot 24a) states, “The voice of a woman is Ervah, as the Pasuk [in Shir Hashirim 2:14] states ‘let me hear your voice because your voice is pleasant and appearance attractive.’” Rashi explains that the Pasuk in Shir Hashirim indicates that a woman’s voice is attractive to a man, and is thus prohibited to him. Rav Hai Gaon (cited in the Mordechai, Berachot 80) writes that this restriction applies to a man who is reading Kriat Shema, because a woman’s singing will distract him. The Rosh (Berachot 3:37) disagrees and writes that the Gemara refers to all situations and is not limited to Kriat Shema. The Shulchan Aruch rules that the Kol Isha restriction applies to both Kriat Shema (Orach Chaim 75:3) and other contexts (Even Haezer 21:2). The Rama (O.C. 75:3) and Bait Shmuel (21:4) clarify that this prohibition applies only to a woman’s singing voice and not to her speaking voice.
How can you rule on Kol Isha based on Shir HaShirim. Shir HaShirim is not a love story between a man and a woman. It is a parable about G-d and the Jewish People.
Also, kol isha is a chumra, not actual Halacha. The only prohibition of Kol Isha is during prayer. Mixed seating and women leading synagogue services are forbidden.