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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Maimonides on November 22, 2011, 09:13:36 PM
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If we have to vote for Romney over Obama, so be it, but don't expect us be enthusiastic, because Romney at best will just lead us down the Road to Hell slower than Obama!
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/mike-huckabee-urges-tea-party-to-vote-for-mitt-romney/ (http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/mike-huckabee-urges-tea-party-to-vote-for-mitt-romney/)
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee gave his thoughts on the 2012 Republican presidential candidates Sunday in an interview with WABC’s Aaron Klein. As the candidates continue to trade rankings in the national polls, Huckabee, who won the Iowa caucuses in his own election bid in 2008, spoke of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s chances of winning the primary. The former Republican presidential candidate urged conservative Republicans to support Romney because he believes the former Massachusetts Gov. has the best chance of defeating Barack Obama in 2012.
“Mitt Romney may not be their first choice, but Mitt Romney every day of the week and twice on Sunday is going to be a much more effective president for issues that they care about than Barack Obama,” Huckabee told Klein. “I think sometimes there is this anxiety within the Republican Party of who is the perfect candidate. The answer is there isn’t one,” the former Arkansas governor added.
Romney came in second behind Huckabee in the 2008 Iowa caucuses, largely because of Huckabee’s popularity among social conservatives in the state. A Bloomberg poll of likely Iowa voters last week showed a four way tie between Romney, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul. Huckabee’s popularity in Iowa could work in Romney’s favor as the countdown to the Iowa caucuses begins.
The former Arkansas governor urged Tea Party Republicans to throw their support behind Romney. “I think Republicans and conservatives and the Tea Party need to get behind him and say, ‘You may not be our first choice, but between you and Obama, I’ll vote 40 times to get you elected,” Huckabee said.
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Mitt Romney is certainly not my first choice but I'm content with Mike Huckabee's decision. Especially since Michele Bachmann ( the only good choice in the entire field ) having very little chance of winning the 2012 Republican Nomination. It's imperative that Newt Gingrich doesn't win the Republican Nomination. Hopefully Huckabee's decision will help derail Gingrich's momentum.
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Romney seemed very pro-israel in his debate tonight.
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Ron Paul also sounded pro Israel...let then go it alone.
Actually i'm only joking. We can say Ron Paul is right but for the wrong reasons. He is a Nazi
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Hate to say it though Michelle Bachman defended foreign aid for Pakistan.
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Hate to say it though Michelle Bachman defended foreign aid for Pakistan.
Really? That's insane. What did she say?
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Cain + Kissinger will much be as much as dangerous as Obama. Romney is the cleanest dog out there.
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Really? That's insane. What did she say?
I don't really remember the exact words though I think she was saying it supposedly helps Pakistan protect us from terrorists by finding terrorists in their own country.
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If its Romney Vs Newt, Im voting for Romney. Newt is as leftist as many democrats.
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"sigh"
If this is the way its going to be,
I suppose he is our best chance.
Is Chaim going to do promotional videos for him then.
I can't see him exactly dripping with enthusiasm.
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"sigh"
If this is the way its going to be,
I suppose he is our best chance.
Is Chaim going to do promotional videos for him then.
I can't see him exactly dripping with enthusiasm.
I hope he does. As 'moderate' as he seems, voters do like his charsima, which will be important against Obama. And he is the only candidate left that seems pro-Israel. Also, I dont think he is pro-Illegal like Newt is, and he is not a Global Warming advocate.
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I don't know about you guys though I still prefer Perry to either Cain, Romney or Gingrich. He seems like he's against foreign aid now.
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I don't know about you guys though I still prefer Perry to either Cain, Romney or Gingrich. He seems like he's against foreign aid now.
Perry would get KILLED in the debate, even against a moderate debater like Osama. Also, Perry stands with Gingrich on Illegals.
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Huckabee was never a Conservative. Let's remember we liked him because he was in favor of Jewish control of Judea and Samaria. That makes him pro Israsel not a Conservative.
I don't see Romney as better than Gingrich. Gingrich on some occasions has been extremely pro Israel taking a harder line than the Israeli government. We don't like his stance on Pollard (maybe that has changed 1998 was many years ago and much has changed) but has Romney said he would free Pollard?
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Where did all our Cain supporters go :::D Romney was my choice in the last election and I could live with him gaining the nomination this time around should it come to pass... Honestly I could even deal with Newt however I see an up hill battle for him come the general elections should he indeed gain the nomination... It's sad how all the support Cain had around here evaporated with a few unfounded accusations :::D People should learn how to stick to their guns a bit more.
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Cain + Kissinger will much be as much as dangerous as Obama. Romney is the cleanest dog out there.
Yes... Quite true!
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Huckabee was never a Conservative. Let's remember we liked him because he was in favor of Jewish control of Judea and Samaria. That makes him pro Israsel not a Conservative.
I don't see Romney as better than Gingrich. Gingrich on some occasions has been extremely pro Israel taking a harder line than the Israeli government. We don't like his stance on Pollard (maybe that has changed 1998 was many years ago and much has changed) but has Romney said he would free Pollard?
WHAT???? Huckabee isnt conservative??? If he isnt then who is???
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It will be nice that endorsement Romney will hire huckabee to be vp. That will definitely get the evangelical and conservative vote easy
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Romney seemed very pro-israel in his debate tonight.
Romney always sounds right, because he just tell people what they want to hear and not what he plans on doing.
Here Romney PRAISES HEZBOLLAH!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/07/romney-us-can-l/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/07/romney-us-can-l/)
"Did you notice in Lebanon what Hezbollah did?" Romney asked Friday during a town-hall meeting in Iowa. "Lebanon became a democracy some time ago. And while their government was getting underway, Hezbollah went into southern Lebanon and provided health clinics to some of the people there and schools, and they built their support by having done so. That kind of diplomacy is something that would help America become stronger around the world and help people understand that our interest is an interest toward modernity and goodness and freedom for all people of the world."
That's how Romney would fight the Jihadists just throw money at them.
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WHAT???? Huckabee isnt conservative??? If he isnt then who is???
Huckabee as Governor of Arkansas raised taxes, and gave in-state tuition to illegal aliens at state universities. Huckabee also supported Cap-and Trade like Romney did (but now Romney claims he is against it for now).
It is sad that Romney is the best we can do.
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WHAT???? Huckabee isnt conservative??? If he isnt then who is???
People who aren't running for president at the moment.
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Huckabee as Governor of Arkansas raised taxes, and gave in-state tuition to illegal aliens at state universities. Huckabee also supported Cap-and Trade like Romney did (but now Romney claims he is against it for now).
It is sad that Romney is the best we can do.
If you are going after a previous record, then Romney is a far worse.
What Huckabee has done in the past pales in comparison to Romney's socialist healthcare disaster... which was a blueprint for Obama care.
Also, Romney was at one time pro-choice I believe.
If you are going after the candidates current platform... then its still a hands down win for Huckabee. Everything from Taxes, to Marriage, to Islam, to Israel. Sometimes I think he even listens to Chaim.
Yes, he is STILL not conservative enough... but of the lot... he is the most conservative and is an excellent debater.
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The bottom line is the candidate running could be conservative as Barry Morris Goldwater was but if they can't win in the general election it really does little good... The Republicans need someone that will hold the line on some key issues however be moderate enough in their platform to gain election... The prospect of getting a rock solid conservative into office sounds good in theory however snowballs have a better chance in h=ll...
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Huckabee endorses Romney!
Two sinking boats going together, sink together.
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Huckabee endorses Romney!
Two sinking boats going together, sink together.
Well the alternative might well be our sitting president.
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WHAT???? Huckabee isnt conservative??? If he isnt then who is???
True conservatives don't associate with the CFR
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Huckabee endorses Romney!
Two sinking boats going together, sink together.
Well the alternative might well be our sitting president.
But the real problem is finding a really winning GOP candidate.
As per the normal ethics Michelle Bachmann was certainly better than Cain2012, but she seems to have lost the ground.
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But the real problem is finding a really winning GOP candidate.
As per the normal ethics Michelle Bachmann was certainly better than Cain2012, but she seems to have lost the ground.
A winning ticket in most cases is not one conservatives are going to jump for joy over... The problem being that in order to win in the general election moderates from both parties have to be in the voting mix... This is why people like Romney who are moderates in their positions have the best chance for success in a general election... Bachmann may have policy that conservatives like and could even do well party wise however in a general election she has little chance of doing well... Her policy may be very good but when she starts to speak she often sounds like a nagging wife... This is something that will doom her with a great deal of men voters... As for Cain I never considered him presidential material... He would have made a good VP or administration official however even early on it was plain to see he didn't have all the skills needed to be the head man.
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When it comes down to it, all of the GOP candidates suck.
Therefore, our goal for this election is for Obama to lose. This means to to stand behind pretty much whomever wins the GOP primaries.
Out of the bunch, Bachmann has views that we like the most. However realistically, doesn't seem to have a chance..but then again you never know.
Out of the GOP's running, we can argue night and day who is better...Cain vs. Romney pretty much. I think most of us agree that Gingrich is a cruel person. Perry we can debate all day long if he is someone we would prefer if he had a realistic chance. However, I think he has made way too many mistakes debating.
Cain worries me the most between him and Romney. He isn't very presidential and hard to take seriously since he knows nothing about foreign policy and history for that matter. We can't have a leader who is ignorant about history. I'm fairly convinced that the only way our economy and country will improve is if our new leader will bless Israel...if so, everything else good will follow.
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Romney seemed very pro-israel in his debate tonight.
He said he would visit Israel. That is not pro Israel in my book. Whenever, Americans want to get involved in Israel it is to get Israel to make suicidal concessions. The best thing an American President could say is that Israel is a sovereign nation with its own government and we will respect that while doing what we can for our own nation.
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I have a feeling Romney is going to go with bachmann for his VP. Look at the way he looks at her in the debates when she is giving answers. He always has this sparkle in his eye like he really likes her and likes what she's saying. I don't see him look at any of the other candidates that way when they are answering. Just a hunch I have.
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I have a feeling Romney is going to go with bachmann for his VP. Look at the way he looks at her in the debates when she is giving answers. He always has this sparkle in his eye like he really likes her and likes what she's saying. I don't see him look at any of the other candidates that way when they are answering. Just a hunch I have.
If he gets the nomination, hopefully he does.
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The problem is how far the nation has moved to the left, in both parties. Policies that would have been considered far-left even just ten years ago like fag "marriage", arresting people for desecrating the Koran, tuition for illegal alien students, and graphic sex ed for early elementary students are now tolerated by most voters. I am sure "reparations" for schvartzes isn't far behind.
Voters simply fear the bogeyman of the "far right", such as Michele Bachmann, over the reality of the extreme left, such as the head negro in charge of our country. Voters might not truly like Obama but they are terrified at the notion of the so-called "religious right" taking away their ability to screw whoever they want to (or whatever they want to), murder their children at will, not look at porn, etc. (not that any Republican leader will actually be able to do those things, but I digress). And more than anything else in the whole wide world, they are scared to death at the (appearance of) being "racists".
So... long story short is that a Romney-like candidate might be the best we can possibly get these days. Conservative candidates really poll horribly with under-40 voters these days--even registered Republicans. This is why Huckabee lost states he should have handily taken in 2008 such as South Carolina, and likely would have in 2004 had Bush not been the incumbent.
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The problem is how far the nation has moved to the left, in both parties. Policies that would have been considered far-left even just ten years ago like fag "marriage", arresting people for desecrating the Koran, tuition for illegal alien students, and graphic sex ed for early elementary students are now tolerated by most voters. I am sure "reparations" for schvartzes isn't far behind.
Voters simply fear the bogeyman of the "far right", such as Michele Bachmann, over the reality of the extreme left, such as the head negro in charge of our country. Voters might not truly like Obama but they are terrified at the notion of the so-called "religious right" taking away their ability to screw whoever they want to (or whatever they want to), murder their children at will, not look at porn, etc. (not that any Republican leader will actually be able to do those things, but I digress). And more than anything else in the whole wide world, they are scared to death at the (appearance of) being "racists".
So... long story short is that a Romney-like candidate might be the best we can possibly get these days. Conservative candidates really poll horribly with under-40 voters these days--even registered Republicans. This is why Huckabee lost states he should have handily taken in 2008 such as South Carolina, and likely would have in 2004 had Bush not been the incumbent.
I think that politicians have moved to the left, no question. However, people havent. The percentage that are against 2nd and 3rd term abortions is at an all tiime high. And there are actually more pro lifers than pro Choicers now.
Also, People who consider themselves conservative is now DOUBLE the percentage of people who consider themselves Liberal.
Also, Americans who support Israel and condemn Islam is also at near highs.
Unfortunately, as we become more socialist... more people depend on the government which causes leftward movement... but in most other areas people are not more leftist.
THe COUNTRY ISNT more leftist... THE POLITICIANS ARE!!!!! This is because of Political Correct Paralysis, and nothing more.
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I have a feeling Romney is going to go with bachmann for his VP. Look at the way he looks at her in the debates when she is giving answers. He always has this sparkle in his eye like he really likes her and likes what she's saying. I don't see him look at any of the other candidates that way when they are answering. Just a hunch I have.
I hope you're right
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Who knows as per the logic of his looks of getting logically and intellectually impressed, now Romney shall rather endorse Bachmann!
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I have a feeling Romney is going to go with bachmann for his VP. Look at the way he looks at her in the debates when she is giving answers. He always has this sparkle in his eye like he really likes her and likes what she's saying. I don't see him look at any of the other candidates that way when they are answering. Just a hunch I have.
That sparkle could be condescension too.
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I think that politicians have moved to the left, no question. However, people havent. The percentage that are against 2nd and 3rd term abortions is at an all tiime high. And there are actually more pro lifers than pro Choicers now.
Also, People who consider themselves conservative is now DOUBLE the percentage of people who consider themselves Liberal.
Also, Americans who support Israel and condemn Islam is also at near highs.
Unfortunately, as we become more socialist... more people depend on the government which causes leftward movement... but in most other areas people are not more leftist.
THe COUNTRY ISNT more leftist... THE POLITICIANS ARE!!!!! This is because of Political Correct Paralysis, and nothing more.
I'd like to know where you get your information. Every poll I've seen shows the exact opposite. Support for abortion, fag "marriage" and amnesty are at all-time highs. Obama is not a popular president because he has done nothing for the economy but the American public is still hesitant to oppose him because of how much they hate the "religious right".
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I'd like to know where you get your information. Every poll I've seen shows the exact opposite. Support for abortion, fag "marriage" and amnesty are at all-time highs. Obama is not a popular president because he has done nothing for the economy but the American public is still hesitant to oppose him because of how much they hate the "religious right".
You are right with your taste in music, but wrong with your assumption of the American public.
Here is from a brand new poll.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-poll-conservatives-42-liberals-21
Also, if we look at this over time, we see conservatives were only 36% of the population in 1992, now they are at an all time high!!!!!!!! 42% Thats a 6% switch in a 20 year period. THATS SIGNIFICANT!!!
also, in May 15th, 2009, for the first time in the history of polls, Gallup showed more people pro life than pro-choice. Now its reversed, but the trend is still obvious.
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jzdsjk1eqkwd0q_nzrmr6g.gif)
People dont trust conservatives because they blame conservatives for the economy, not because people are liberal. Ive seen poll after poll showing that people still blame bush for Obama's economy. Its absurd, but people beleive what CNN tells them.
VERY few people are liberal. Yes, here in California and NY there are many... but in the rest of the country THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!
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The very definition of "conservative" has changed to the point of meaningless now. Nowadays quite a few "conservatives" support same-sex "marriage". Here is one recent poll from Gallup:
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/05/gallup-poll-sees-radical-shift-in-support-for-marriage-equality.html
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The very definition of "conservative" has changed to the point of meaningless now. Nowadays quite a few "conservatives" support same-sex "marriage". Here is one recent poll from Gallup:
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/05/gallup-poll-sees-radical-shift-in-support-for-marriage-equality.html
Here is where I disagree. Yes, I understand that people are shifting on marriage which is a bad sign and ive seen that shift from both parties.
However, abortion is infinitely more important to me as a social conservative, since nothing is more sacred than life itself and nothing is more evil than killing the innocent with no voice. Over the last few decades we have seen the ultra left dictate to the masses that killing an unborn is some sort of progressive power of choice for the modern woman. To see this shift is promising shows that there is a change of heart.
Janet Napolitano stated that one of the criteria of a domestic terrorist is being pro-life. So this tells me something.... The politicians and the media are still denying that half of the population is pro-life. The institutions and the media are doing EVERYTHING they can to label pro-lifers as a wacko fringe group, and IN SPITE OF THAT, we are still half of America.
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Once they accept the same sex marriages, the very origin of the life gets destroyed. Then the question of abortion does not arises and it comes next only to others.
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That sparkle could be condescension too.
Perhaps.
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(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jzdsjk1eqkwd0q_nzrmr6g.gif)
Cool poll.
What exactly happened in 2010?