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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zelhar on December 05, 2011, 06:35:11 AM
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/glenn-explodes-over-audio-of-single-mother-with-15-kids-demanding-someone-pay-be-held-accountable/
Also funny to hear Glenn Beck explodes when hears the demanding parasite.
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This is the way she was raised to think about society. She was basically told because some ancestor of hers was a slave that society owed it to her to provide for all her needs for life. When she says that somebody needs to pay and take responsbility, to her that's not denying her own responsibility because she really believes that society OWES it to her. When she says those who have been going out of their way to help her haven't been doing enough, she wouldn't see that as being ungrateful. She would see them as not paying in full what was owed to her.
Of course this is insane but this is the mindset of many black people.
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People like that deserve to be slaves.
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But her breeding habbits should be considered criminal. She pops up children to cash out wellfare checks and benefits and attention. I think she must be sterilized.
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But her breeding habbits should be considered criminal. She pops up children to cash out wellfare checks and benefits and attention. I think she must be sterilized.
To a certain degree you can blame the welfare system for that. They encourage irresponsible breeding.
Of course, most of the blame falls on the woman herself for the situation she put herself in, but she did that based on the expectation that she would receive full benefits for all her children. Not only did she believe it was owed to her (wrongly) but the way the system is set up, she did stand to benefit more if she had more children, so this was a crisis created by both herself and the welfare system.
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This is the way she was raised to think about society. She was basically told because some ancestor of hers was a slave that society owed it to her to provide for all her needs for life. When she says that somebody needs to pay and take responsbility, to her that's not denying her own responsibility because she really believes that society OWES it to her. When she says those who have been going out of their way to help her haven't been doing enough, she wouldn't see that as being ungrateful. She would see them as not paying in full what was owed to her.
Of course this is insane but this is the mindset of many black people.
Well said. THis kinda thinking is now part of their culture... And I guarantee that when her 15 children have 15 children, they will feel this exact same sense of entitlement.
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I think she and all her ape-piglets should be sent back to their motherland jungle the way they were brought here - on boats in chains.
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If she's unhappy, she and her 15 children can return to the land of opportunity called Africa.
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Well said. THis kinda thinking is now part of their culture... And I guarantee that when her 15 children have 15 children, they will feel this exact same sense of entitlement.
Thank you.
You're right that she probably also taught them the same value system, if she had time to teach them a value system at all. I feel sorry for them being born into such circumstances with such a mother.
I think she and all her ape-piglets should be sent back to their motherland jungle the way they were brought here - on boats in chains.
You're such a moderate civil rights leader ACK :) :::D :laugh:
I love your posts though
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O4BbMisj6s
:::D :::D :::D
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People like that deserve to be slaves.
You must show tolerance! That kind of thinking is STORMFRONTish and looks bad to outsiders. YOU SAID SO YOURSELF.
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Well said. THis kinda thinking is now part of their culture... And I guarantee that when her 15 children have 15 children, they will feel this exact same sense of entitlement.
Newt Gingrich said something akin to this the other day and the liberal media attacked him on it.
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You must show tolerance! That kind of thinking is STORMFRONTish and looks bad to outsiders. YOU SAID SO YOURSELF.
A white woman with that exact same attitude would deserve to be a slave too. Is that Pedoish?
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You were refering to a BLACK woman and slavery in the same sentence. That is insensitive and sounds racist. It wouldn't hold the same meaning to the white woman.
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I meant everything I said. What are you trying to prove, that I said it? Obviously I did.
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You were refering to a BLACK woman and slavery in the same sentence. That is insensitive and sounds racist. It wouldn't hold the same meaning to the white woman.
Jews were slaves too and first in Egypt, but we're not allowed the credit. As for this shvug with 15 kids, she's lucky she's allowed in this country! Now she wants someone else to pay for her mistakes? Let her do what all these OWS morons should be doing, banging down the White House door and demanding money from the HNIC!
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Social Eugenics Must be applied to her kind, white or black ! >:(
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Listen, I have only read the feedback about the article and not the original article. What is apparent to me is that this is being used to generate a lot of racist comments. Bottom line in my opinion it is criminal what she is doing. The children should be removed from her custody and placed into foster homes. She should be sent to prison so she can be rehabilitated {if possible} or locked up with the criminally insane.
I am against what maelgwyn suggested, sterilization, because Jews are not supposed to even sterilize their animals. I don't want to look for the halachas concerning it now either...
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Listen, I have only read the feedback about the article and not the original article. What is apparent to me is that this is being used to generate a lot of racist comments. Bottom line in my opinion it is criminal what she is doing. The children should be removed from her custody and placed into foster homes. She should be sent to prison so she can be rehabilitated {if possible} or locked up with the criminally insane.
I am against what maelgwyn suggested, sterilization, because Jews are not supposed to even sterilize their animals. I don't want to look for the halachas concerning it now either...
She lives in America, a gentile country. I don't think gentiles aren't allowed to tie her tubes. In fact, I am pretty sure Even Jews would be allowed to do so in her case.
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She lives in America, a gentile country. I don't think gentiles aren't allowed to tie her tubes. In fact, I am pretty sure Even Jews would be allowed to do so in her case.
Definitely forbidden for a Jew to be sterilized. According to : http://www.jewishwomenshealth.org/article.php?article=75
Sterilization - Tubal Ligation
Abstract: Destruction of reproductive organs is prohibited by Jewish Law. The prohibition for men is stronger than that for women. Therefore, vasectomy is not permitted. However, a halachic authority may permit tubal ligation in extreme circumstances, where other methods cannot be used and pregnancy would be a serious health concern.
Discussion: There is a distinct commandment, based on Leviticus 22:24, forbidding sterilization of both people and animals. The prohibition is considered a biblical commandment for men but only a rabbinic decree for women. Therefore, there is room for leniency for female sterilization in extraordinary circumstances.
If pregnancy would involve serious health concerns, and other methods of contraception are not possible, a question should be asked of a halachic authority. In asking the question it is important to explain why other methods cannot be used and why it is crucial to permanently avoid pregnancy.
Sterilization differs from other forms of contraception because it is irreversible. If it were reversible, even in theory, it would be easier to permit. Therefore, when choosing the method of tubal destruction, the rabbi may prefer the use of plugs [1] [2] [3] or clips [4] [5] [6] over cautery or other methods of direct destruction [7] [8]. The new coil method [9] [10] is less reversible, however, the destruction is less direct. This may also have halachic implications.
Implications for Care: Tubal ligation is a last resort for contraception.
If other methods are not possible and pregnancy must be avoided, a rabbi should be consulted.
There may be preference for particular methods of tubal blockage.
Apparently there is an exception for female tubal ligation in 'extraordinary circumstances' although I don't know what that means {technically}.
Anyway, it is clear that this woman needs something to cause her to cease having children.
PS: I just want to add it is true that non-Jews do not have to keep Jewish law. But from my perspective I am against it in principle.
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I thought we are to avoid racist comments and threads. While this woman's behavior is disgusting, her race should not be part of the discussion. What does race have to do with it? She doesn't represent all black people.
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Muman I think sterlizing animals that are way overpopulated and this is causing tragic situations (like dogs and cats) reduces suffering in the world. The most important ones to sterlize among them are females too.
Among the feral population outside I've taken 4 cats in, in addition to those I got 3 females and 2 males sterlized. This was a good thing, otherwise the females would be having one or two sets of babies every year and in this neighborhood most kittens die that are born outside and those that dont' tend to have a hard life with no house to live in. It helps the males because they don't get into as many hormonally-driven fights and live longer injury-free. They are also not able to impregnate females this way but still patrol their territory.
One of the males I think may have died because he disappeared not too long after we released him. The other stayed around for a long time and then disappeared, not sure where he is. The three females that are outside are still coming around every day or almost every day and what's wonderful about that is two of them are a mother and a daughter. The mother Blackie has been able to keep a friendly relationship with her daughter Smokey because she didn't have litters and litters more of kittens, and so they're able to be a lot closer than they would be otherwise. They're often playing together or eating together, etc. If Blackie would have had a lot more kittens then Smokey would have by necessity been pushed aside.
I've seen a lot of dogs and cats that were dead hit by cars around the area, and I know there are mean people who would do bad things to them too, so it's better if more than necessary are not conceived.
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Even if Jews are not supposed to do sterilizations that would not apply here. This welfare queen is not Jewish.
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The non-Arab/Muslim parasites in Israel don't have children.
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Bottom line in my opinion it is criminal what she is doing. The children should be removed from her custody and placed into foster homes. She should be sent to prison so she can be rehabilitated {if possible} or locked up with the criminally insane.
I am against what maelgwyn suggested, sterilization, because Jews are not supposed to even sterilize their animals. I don't want to look for the halachas concerning it now either...
What exactly criminal is she doing? Having children? And why such communist actions being offered, these are her children and her problem. You want to give the government more power? If she (or those who want to help her) feed them its their problem. Again sent to prison for what?
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-ask-the-rav/31-general/109-neuter
Can I neuter my dog?
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I am afraid I know of no heter to neuter your dog. This issur is explicit in the Tora (Vayikra 22:24), and includes
all animals as well as humans, see Rambam MT, Issure Bi'a 16:7 (or 16:10 in Vilna edition). The punishment for so doing, in normal times, is malkuth (a lashing). Although dogs may seem to suffer when other dogs are in heat, this is the way of the world as HASHEM has created it. We cannot consider the normal behavior of dogs to be tzsa'ar ba'le hayim.
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Calling this one an animal is offensive to animals which act more civilized than her.
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What exactly criminal is she doing? Having children? And why such communist actions being offered, these are her children and her problem. You want to give the government more power? If she (or those who want to help her) feed them its their problem. Again sent to prison for what?
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-ask-the-rav/31-general/109-neuter
Can I neuter my dog?
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I am afraid I know of no heter to neuter your dog. This issur is explicit in the Tora (Vayikra 22:24), and includes
all animals as well as humans, see Rambam MT, Issure Bi'a 16:7 (or 16:10 in Vilna edition). The punishment for so doing, in normal times, is malkuth (a lashing). Although dogs may seem to suffer when other dogs are in heat, this is the way of the world as HASHEM has created it. We cannot consider the normal behavior of dogs to be tzsa'ar ba'le hayim.
I thought this specifically applies to Jews. Or, do Jews believe it is a sin for Gentiles to have their animals neutered/spayed also?
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I thought this specifically applies to Jews. Or, do Jews believe it is a sin for Gentiles to have their animals neutered/spayed also?
As far as I know it is a limitations applied only to Jews. In older times Jewish farmers used to buy Oxen (neutered bulls) from gentiles.
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She can have 1,000 kids as far as iam concerned, her and her kind ,and also all the white welfare queens. Let them get off their fat bottoms,and get some work done! NO welfare after 2nd child. Iam NOT going to pay taxes to to keep this lot. >:(
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You must show tolerance! That kind of thinking is STORMFRONTish and looks bad to outsiders. YOU SAID SO YOURSELF.
that was funny but this is much better
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4t0iK51uac&feature=related
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that was funny but this is much better
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http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=r4t0iK51uac&feature=related
Fashizzle me Nizzle!
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that was funny but this is much better
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4t0iK51uac&feature=related
ok...Axel. Rose
Where is the outrage and concern for JTF?
Was that supposed to upset me, Abben?
You have to be kidding me.
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I think all dogs and cats that are people's personal pets should be neutered and spayed and breeders should be professionals that are relatively rare so that there are still pets available for people but that they are more valued and not treated like garbage like people do to dogs and cats now.
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I thought this specifically applies to Jews. Or, do Jews believe it is a sin for Gentiles to have their animals neutered/spayed also?
I believe this is for all (Jew and gentile).
- About zelhar's point- that is something else. That is about mixing animals which Jews are forbidden. (don't know if gentiles) but either way they brought them after the fact. Just like someone can buy a dog that has been neutered, even though the neutering itself is forbidden.
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I'm not obligated to follow the rules of a religion I don't follow Tag. If I had the resources all the stray and feral animals in this neighborhood would be getting spayed and neutered.
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I believe this is for all (Jew and gentile).
- About zelhar's point- that is something else. That is about mixing animals which Jews are forbidden. (don't know if gentiles) but either way they brought them after the fact. Just like someone can buy a dog that has been neutered, even though the neutering itself is forbidden.
How is it for all?
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I'm not obligated to follow the rules of a religion I don't follow Tag.
Axl asked me soo I told him what I believe the law is. (at least it seems to me by that response from the Rav). Maybe he's saying that a Jew cant do that to any human or animal, but I would guess from that response alone at least that it is forbidden for all. What you choose to do is your business but when I was asked by him, I responded what I believe to be the correct response. One can also ask either that Rav or someone else if it specifically applies to non-Jews or not to get a more specific answer.
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I am not sure I follow the logic. A Jew is not permitted to eat any nonkashrut thing but nobody extends that to all human beings.
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I am not sure I follow the logic. A Jew is not permitted to eat any nonkashrut thing but nobody extends that to all human beings.
(I am only guessing) but I think that Adam and all of creation was told to "be fruitful and multiply". If one neuters their dog they are messing with creation soo to speak. Perhaps if their are too many dogs nature will take care of it by its own processes without human intervention. Among other things.
Either way this is only my guess and from that response alone I believe its forbidden. If anyone wants to "follow all opinions" and if the opinions of the Torah and Rav is important to them then they can ask a legit Rav and receive their answer. (For example a Noahide who accepts the Torah, but chooses to be a Noahide can ask a Rav if he/she is allowed in this situation to do that).
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So what would it fall under in the 7NL?
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If one lets their dog breed out of control and lets the puppies end up being killed in animal shelters, turned out on the streets, or sent to a cruel laboratory, then that is messing with nature and disrespecting God's creatures.
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This is the way she was raised to think about society.
No offense RubyStars, but you've been explaining away evil behavior on other posts as essentially a learned helplessness. This whoring black ape knows she's scum, knows she's evil, know her people have done nothing in history--she knows she deserves nothing. I guarantee you if she could press a button to undue the history of slavery and have prevented her "peoples" from going through the so-called suffering of slavery (yeah right) on the condition that she would be in Africa with her fellow Kings and Queens and what they would've developed since the 1500s, she would tremble at the thought of being in Africa, even having undone the so-called injustice of slavery.
While self-hating Whites are just as culpable--if not more culpable--for allowing apes like her to get so junglish, she's as guilty as Sin.
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No offense RubyStars, but you've been explaining away evil behavior on other posts as essentially a learned helplessness.
Where has she done that?
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No offense RubyStars, but you've been explaining away evil behavior on other posts as essentially a learned helplessness. This whoring black ape knows she's scum, knows she's evil, know her people have done nothing in history--she knows she deserves nothing. I guarantee you if she could press a button to undue the history of slavery and have prevented her "peoples" from going through the so-called suffering of slavery (yeah right) on the condition that she would be in Africa with her fellow Kings and Queens and what they would've developed since the 1500s, she would tremble at the thought of being in Africa, even having undone the so-called injustice of slavery.
While self-hating Whites are just as culpable--if not more culpable--for allowing apes like her to get so junglish, she's as guilty as Sin.
You're right that she likely understands that all that slavery stuff truly benefits her. Otherwise she'd be digging roots up with a stick in Africa or trying to avoid being raped while making her way to an open pit latrine.
I don't think I'm trying to in any way take the blame off of her for her actions, and I do think that she's guilty and responsible for her own failures.
When I post things like what I posted, it's to help people understand why someone like her would act the way she does. I think a lot of people think of black people in terms of tv black people, which tend to speak in more standard English, have a mother and a father, etc. A lot of people just don't realize how far removed from reality that image really is.
When I discuss the black mindset, I'm trying to inform people that black culture doesn't lead blacks to think in the same ways as other people do. They have a completely different culture. You might call it learned helplessness, that's a good term for it actually. However she could make the decision to help herself if she really wanted to. She has no desire or motivation to do that as long as other people take care of her though.
Black culture tells them that they are OWED everything that society can give them. They really and truly believe this is their right. When people don't give them everything they can, regardless of how much help they have given, then it is never seen as enough. You and I can see the logical flaws in this, and if they wanted to, so could they, but they would rather not fend for themselves.
White culture tends to put shame on being a parasite, whereas in black culture there is often no shame attached to that at all, and in fact they gain in the eyes of others if they can milk more from 'the system' because this is seen as their right and owed to them.
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No offense RubyStars, but you've been explaining away evil behavior on other posts as essentially a learned helplessness. This whoring black ape knows,,,know her people have done nothing in history...
While self-hating Whites are just as culpable--if not more culpable--for allowing apes like her to get so junglish, she's as guilty as Sin.
A few little quibbles with your post.
This woman, and others like her have very high self esteem. I think she honestly believes she's entitled to be supported by others, as her due because her ancestors were slaves. If you asked her, she would tell you that she is where she is due to "institutionalized racism." (Never mind the civil rights laws and affirmative action.)
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When I post things like what I posted, it's to help people understand why someone like her would act the way she does. I think a lot of people think of black people in terms of tv black people, which tend to speak in more standard English, have a mother and a father, etc. A lot of people just don't realize how far removed from reality that image really is.
Yes, absolutely. And keep in mind that blacks themselves will gladly point this out. The black community hated successful black sitcoms such as Family Matters and the Cosby Show because they accused these families as having been portrayed like "white families". In truth that was absolutely correct. The white and Jewish producers of these programs had to if they wanted to gain any kind of a white audience. White audiences, at that time, would not have tuned in every Friday night at eight to watch a half hour of pimp-slapping, home crack labs, and little girls getting knocked up by their own fathers.
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A few little quibbles with your post.
This woman, and others like her have very high self esteem. I think she honestly believes she's entitled to be supported by others, as her due because her ancestors were slaves. If you asked her, she would tell you that she is where she is due to "institutionalized racism." (Never mind the civil rights laws and affirmative action.)
Good point Lisa. You said it very well when you talk about her still having a high self esteem. She doesn't see her behavior as anything shameful, I think she would see it as righteous indignation (not that she would be able to pronounce that) :::D.
Yes, absolutely. And keep in mind that blacks themselves will gladly point this out. The black community hated successful black sitcoms such as Family Matters and the Cosby Show because they accused these families as having been portrayed like "white families". In truth that was absolutely correct. The white and Jewish producers of these programs had to if they wanted to gain any kind of a white audience. White audiences, at that time, would not have tuned in every Friday night at eight to watch a half hour of pimp-slapping, home crack labs, and little girls getting knocked up by their own fathers.
I never did watch the Cosby show but I did watch Family Matters and thought it was a fairly good show. It's definitely not a portrayal of reality at all though and was used to tell white America a total lie about how black people really are.
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Yes, you are right, these shows are basically taqqiyah for black culture. If black family life was remotely like how it was portrayed on Family Matters, schvartzes would not be half as nonfunctional as they are.