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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on December 14, 2011, 02:35:51 AM
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In the past week, Newt Gingrich has said: there is no "Palestinian" people; the "peace" process is delusional; there is no difference between Fatah and Hamas; the "PA" is committed to Israel's destruction; Iran building nuclear bombs would lead to a "second Holocaust"; he would assist Israel logistically and with intelligence information to stage a military strike against Iran; the U.S. must become not only energy independent but must become a net exporter of energy to prevent the Persian Gulf nations from blackmailing the world; and he leans toward granting clemency to Jonathan Pollard.
In light of these very positive statements, I think we should endorse Gingrich and start an immediate campaign of daily videos aimed at voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida (the first four states holding primaries and caucuses). We will be enlisting our great Shlomo in making the videos, G-d willing, and so they will be professional.
This poll will decide whether we endorse or not based upon a majority of the votes.
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The aggressive candidate seems the best option. It will be the refreshing thing people want.
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Newt Gingrich did support a PLO/Fatah state during the "Oslo Piece Accords" in 1993. There is a photo of Gingrich shaking the hand of Arafat. Gingrich is just saying these things to get the Jewish vote. In comparison, the Fatah terrorists say that they are moderate muslims who are peace- loving and want to stand side by side in peace with Israel, but in truth they say the opposite in Arabic. The Fatah just says these peaceful rhetoric just to get the world on their side. Is Gingrich really trustworthy on this matter?
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I am not sure JTF can effectively do a positive campaign. Chaim, are you sure that if you post videos calling to people to vote for Newt it won't make more people associate him with right wing extremists and back away from him ?
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There is not really that much to pick from the candidates. The best thing is to point out how much better he will be than o-bumboy and how necessary it is that he get's replaced.
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Yes. We have to.
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I voted yes.
I don't like him and don't trust him. Newt outright lied about the contract with America, and there are many other legitimate issues that can be brought against him as were expressed in those videos. However we need someone who can beat Obama and Romney is being weak when we need aggression and also appears to be a Muslim-lover and thinks Obama is a "nice guy". So I think Newt is a better choice.
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I am torn about this question. Newt Gingrich is totally qualified, brilliant, and capable of getting rid of Obama's destructive policies, and he also supports Israel, and says the Pal state was made up...yes to grab Israel's land, but alot is coming out about him being a Progressive. We have had 3 progressive President, FDR--Whom Gingrich says was the best President, Woodrow Wilson, and now Barack Obama...We don't need another Progressive-Socialist President. I keep praying that a true Conservative could be elected...I hope Santorum and Bachmann stay in the race...Now Ron Paul has come out with Anti-Israel rhetoric, and he says "Just leave Iran alone," well we left Iran alone...and look how they are building Nukes...What A Dufus Ron Paul is! If the Jews and Hispanics would come on board with the rest of the Right we could eliminate Barack Obama's Job!
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Yes because what is the alternative?
I would do anti Nazi Paul videos or bring them back from 2008 campaign. Maybe combine pro newt with anti Paul.
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If this year has taught us anything it is not to jump to conclusions. IIRC we have endorsed Palin, Huckabee, Perry and maybe others I am forgetting. I prefer Newt to Romney but would prefer Bachmann of Santorum. I would wait to see what happens in Iowa. Even if we don't endorse Newt we should commend him for saying the Palestinians are a contrived people and nation.
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Ron Paul is taking votes away - although not much.
Even Rush and Sean Hannity are putting him down.
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I voted yes with much regret. I think he has said things which are nice but I am now skeptical that he will come through with his promises.
It is hard to believe it has come to this!
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I think we have to support Newt...
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I am still in the 'NO' camp. I realize his positions are better than Romney who is is so leftist, he makes Mcain look conservative... but I just don't think Newt will do well against Obama. the 'undecided' voters are more superficial which is why polls still indicate Romney has the best chance (and which is why they voted for Obama in 2008). All I care about at this point is ensuring Obama loses... I just don't want to gamble here. Until I see polls showing the 'undecideds' supporting Newt... I can't support him.
But lets be clear... I hate both candidates.
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Ron Paul is taking votes away - although not much.
Even Rush and Sean Hannity are putting him down.
Yes, Rush has spent more and more time campaigning against Paul. He calls him the candidate that the Democrats are rooting for. I think this is partially because he is seeing a very weak GOP field and doeesn't want Paul to be a 'default' or 'backup' candidate in case every other candidate falls flat on their face.
Also, Rush is a big supporter of Newt.
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Odd as it is Newt has changed his spots to the point that he is indeed the most truthful and honest voice when it comes to the lie of fakestinians and how they are a terrorist organization that deserves no funding from the U.S. There is no other Republican candidate that has voiced views like that in such a public and open forum and continued to defend them. I have no choice but to cast my vote to support Newt due these recent positions he has expressed. If he is elected president he has promised to do certain things with regard to Israel. Finally moving the U.S. embassy to Yerushalayim would be a huge step in the right direction. I am sure Newt will disappoint in many regards in the future, but at least he will be starting off on the right foot.
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I would wait to see what happens in Iowa. Even if we don't endorse Newt we should commend him for saying the Palestinians are a contrived people and nation.
This is basically my preference as well. While seeing what transpires in the remaining weeks leading up to the Iowa Caucus and the Iowa Caucus itself, we can continue to point out that Newt had the courage to tell the truth about the Fakeastians. Both from the standpoint that the Fakeastians were invented as a political tool against Israel and that Fatah/ " P.A. " have the same hideous end game as Hamas.
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I would hold off on an official endorsement until after New Hampshire. For now making videos is fine.
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I would hold off on supporting any candidate for the time being. None of them are good. I like Michele Bachmann. But she has no chance of winning.
I think Gingrich's comments about the fakestinians being an invented people was aimed at the right wing Evangelicals. Gingrich is a politician and will say what he has to in order to get elected. If we make a video supporting him after all those anti-Gingrich videos (which were great), it might look funny.
What you could do is make a video about how Gingrich spoke the truth about fakestinians being an invented people. You could point out the areas where he and JTF differ, but stress that you agree about his fakestinian comments.
The fact of the matter is, we have lousy choices with this crop of Republicans. Of course we'll hold our noses and vote for whoever gets the nomination. It's really all about kicking that black supremacist moosie communist hater of America, whites and Jews, out of the White House, along with his ungrateful wife. Let's not forget that.
So, along with a new video agreeing with Gingrich about the fakestinians, we should keep making videos hitting out at Obama.
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I guess even though he was very leftist and believed in a Fakestinian people at first. One thing I like about him is that he has lived in Ga and understands it's problems.
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Yes. I would rather have him than Ron Paul.
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I would hold off on supporting any candidate for the time being. None of them are good. I like Michele Bachmann. But she has no chance of winning.
I think Gingrich's comments about the fakestinians being an invented people was aimed at the right wing Evangelicals. Gingrich is a politician and will say what he has to in order to get elected. If we make a video supporting him after all those anti-Gingrich videos (which were great), it might look funny.
What you could do is make a video about how Gingrich spoke the truth about fakestinians being an invented people. You could point out the areas where he and JTF differ, but stress that you agree about his fakestinian comments.
The fact of the matter is, we have lousy choices with this crop of Republicans. Of course we'll hold our noses and vote for whoever gets the nomination. It's really all about kicking that black supremacist moosie communist hater of America, whites and Jews, out of the White House, along with his ungrateful wife. Let's not forget that.
So, along with a new video agreeing with Gingrich about the fakestinians, we should keep making videos hitting out at Obama.
well said. My feelings exactly.
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One more thought.
Why not also make videos about all the Republican candidates? It could be a regular JTF commentary about whatever positions these candidates take and how they do in any future debates. You could say what you like and dislike about each candiate while also plugging JTF.
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Don't forget, Gingrich was even the friend of Jew-Hater, Al Sharpton.It could be that JTF should support whoever is the Republican candidate after he is chosen as the lesser of evils when compared to B. Hussein Obama.
But to support the flip flopper Gingrich (who earned a small fortune from the government's bailed-out mortgage giant, Freddie Mac) NOW, will bring JTF much embarrassment if the guy takes on anti-Jewish positions once again, when it is politically convenient.
I also wish to remind everyone of Israeli history that might be applied here to the USA race.
When Arik (Ariel) Sharon ran against the left-wing Ehud Barak and afterwards the left wing A. Mitzna, he said a number of right-wing statements. But since Sharon was a flip-flopper at heart, having started his career as an ally of the ultra-leftist Yosi Sarid, who then turned to the right when it was convenient, it wasn't too difficult for him to turn back to the left, especially when that was the only way to get the left wing judicial system and media "off his back" for corruption.
In the end Sharon expelled all the Jewish settlers from Gaza and part of Shomron and succeeded to do more damage, than a blatantly leftwing Prime Minister could have done.
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I'm not sure. I think he is faking (to get Jewish and evangelical votes). Nonetheless, it is good that he says such things, even if he is faking it. Because people will be hearing the truth. And if he takes this aggressive approach, he can beat obama. If he backs down and tries to play it PC and apologetic like Romney is doing, and not ruffle anybody's feathers, he will lose (like Romney will probably lose, serving up softballs to obama).
But while it might be good for gingrich to win, and possibly he could defeat obama, I am hesitant about JTF endorsing a candidate based on this. We all know the person's many flaws, and Chaim made videos specifically pointing them out. Some horrendous things about this person. And now an endorsement?
I haven't voted yet, still thinking about it.
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Abstaining from voting is virtually the same as voting for Obama...
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Even if we endorse him, I tend to think that he will not win against obama. Very few young people will vote for him.
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Let's think of it like this with the gop. Ron Paul is the Obama of the Gop. If you do not pick a candidate, that Nazi may win the gop race.
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It's Newt or Nothing right now!
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KWRBT that pretty much mirrored my thoughts exactly... but you know we can't have the republican serving softballs... we know what happened with McCain last time.
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Abstaining from voting is virtually the same as voting for Obama...
??? No its not.
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(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/437590/thumbs/s-GINGRICH-PALESTINE-large640.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiS2y1m9ygg
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i vote no, gingrich is a fraud, hes gonna betray the pro-israel cause under pressure.
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i vote no, gingrich is a fraud, hes gonna betray the pro-israel cause under pressure.
He probably will, Romney's a fraud too
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i vote no, gingrich is a fraud, hes gonna betray the pro-israel cause under pressure.
I think so too. Ginrich is a very savy politician who says whatever benefits him at the time. His sudden 'pro israel' sentiment was calculated to get evangelical support. And yes, Mitt is just as much a fraud.
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I think Gingrich's comments about the fakestinians being an invented people was aimed at the right wing Evangelicals.
I agree wholeheartedly. Sadly, most Jews are indifferent, if not hostile, to Israel.[/quote]
The fact of the matter is, we have lousy choices with this crop of Republicans. Of course we'll hold our noses and vote for whoever gets the nomination. It's really all about kicking that black supremacist moosie communist hater of America, whites and Jews, out of the White House, along with his ungrateful wife. Let's not forget that.
So, along with a new video agreeing with Gingrich about the fakestinians, we should keep making videos hitting out at Obama.
Again, you have hit the nail on the head. Very well put, Lisa.
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Bachmann is going to make a comeback!!!
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Bachmann is going to make a comeback!!!
Would love to see that. But so far she never got hyped by the "powers that be."
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Bachman is moving up in the polls and as far as true conservatives go on the roster, she is the second most behind rick santorum.
ITS STILL EARLY ..... RELAX
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Bachman is moving up in the polls and as far as true conservatives go on the roster, she is the second most behind rick santorum.
ITS STILL EARLY ..... RELAX
The only poll numbers I am concerned about right now are the ones concerned with the general election... It is actually quite late in the game for the cast of characters we have now... Having a true conservative in place on the ballot in November is only nice if they have the ability to win... If a moderate or Rino has the ability to do that I will be just as happy with them... The problem Newt is having with his numbers is the fact that many consider him a right wing conservative :::D they view Romney as being moderate.
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No, because he's a liar and Romney is much more presidential, i.e. electable. There's no really difference between him and Romney on policies, save the former's likely inability to win the general election. And the conservative base is more likely to keep an eye on Romney than on Gingrich, Gingrich having a past as the so-called conservative speaker who instituted many reforms (e.g., welfare reform); Romney is known as the wide-eyed, gun-grabbing, sodomite-loving taxer extraordinaire, which makes the Right more distrustful of him. While he is his a Mormon, he has less scandal I believe for a general election, and on God and religion, Romney and Gingrich are virtually indistinguishable.
All in all, I don't see too much difference between him and Romney. My slight preference for Romney has provided me with the impetus to just support Bachmann in the Florida primary.
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No, because he's a liar and Romney is much more presidential, i.e. electable. There's no really difference between him and Romney on policies, save the former's likely inability to win the general election. And the conservative base is more likely to keep an eye on Romney than on Gingrich, Gingrich having a past as the so-called conservative speaker who instituted many reforms (e.g., welfare reform); Romney is known as the wide-eyed, gun-grabbing, sodomite-loving taxer extraordinaire, which makes the Right more distrustful of him. While he is his a Mormon, he has less scandal I believe for a general election, and on G-d and religion, Romney and Gingrich are virtually indistinguishable.
All in all, I don't see too much difference between him and Romney. My slight preference for Romney has provided me with the impetus to just support Bachmann in the Florida primary.
Really? Is this presidential?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBmg7gyMq70
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No. The media will easily destroy Gingrich in order to re-elect Prince Hussein. Mitt Romney is a slippery politician; it will be harder to lampoon and hurt him. I am not crazy about Romney; he reminds me of HW Bush. But he's the best candidate to defeat Hussein.
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No. The media will easily destroy Gingrich in order to re-elect Prince Hussein. Mitt Romney is a slippery politician; it will be harder to lampoon and hurt him. I am not crazy about Romney; he reminds me of HW Bush. But he's the best candidate to defeat Hussein.
But without supporting either of them Paul just may have an opportunity to get his name on the Presidential Ticket...
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Right now I really don't know who to support. The country is so very far to the left that any slight ounce of sanity revealed by any of these fools is immediately denounced and leads to a massive drop in the polls. A Republican can't win an election by not trying, as John McCain proved three years ago, but will alienate everyone by telling the truth as well. Chaim, can you chime in with your thoughts at the moment?
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I voted yes. It's a choice between someone who said the truth about the middle east on the national stage vs. those who condemned him for doing so.
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I voted yes. It's a choice between someone who said the truth about the middle east on the national stage vs. those who condemned him for doing so.
It wasn't just the media and other candidates who did that though, but quite a few average voters. Nobody wants to hear the truth.
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Most JTFers voted to support Newt Gingrich when we took this poll last month. Now with his resounding South Carolina primary victory and his stunning debate performances, I think the time has clearly come to back him before the crucial Florida primary on Tuesday, January 31.
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Most JTFers voted to support Newt Gingrich when we took this poll last month. Now with his resounding South Carolina primary victory and his stunning debate performances, I think the time has clearly come to back him before the crucial Florida primary on Tuesday, January 31.
I agree. His message is more effective than santorum.
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I agree. His message is more effective than santorum.
agreed.
Plus i agree with muman, not voting for gingrich is a vote for obama.
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We should really remove some of the anti-Gingrinch videos if we are going to support him. Just today I was looking into Mr Gingriches view of the Jonathan Pollard matter and found Chaims video from last year where he condemns Gingrich for opposing letting Jonathan Pollard free. Now Mr Gingrich has changed his opinion in a public announcement that if he were elected he would look into releasing Jonathan Pollard.
Just some of the recent comments may come back and smack us...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIxN0mjjME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JUSrT5Am-w
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I hadn't seen that video...that's quite a difference from what we're putting out now. I have a few questions:
1. I heard that Jonathan Pollard was not only giving information to Israel, but was also paid to give information to other countries, such as Pakistan. Is there more to this story?
2. If Newt Gingrich betrays people politically to the extent that he betrays his wives, as Chaim said, can we really trust his position on Israel?
3. If Newt Gingrich has a bunch of corruption in his past, is he really in the best position to go up against Obama?
Good points Dan.
The thing is, Gingrich is an EXCELLENT debater. Remember his response to Juan Williams playing the race card, and more recently, that CNN guy who brought up the second ex wife? Gingrich has shown that he won't buckle under when lib-turds play the race card against him, or when Obama sycophants try to rehash his dirty laundry.
Romney just seems smooth, but with nothing underneath. If anything Romney will treat Obama with kid gloves. I don't see the same thing happening with Newt.
But the fact still remains, none of the candidates are good. Also, since we'll support whichever one gets the Republican nominee (except for Ron Paul), I don't know if we really need to officially throw our support to Gingrich or any of them now.
I like that Chaim is making videos providing a running commentary of what the candidates are saying and doing.
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We should really remove some of the anti-Gingrinch videos if we are going to support him. Just today I was looking into Mr Gingriches view of the Jonathan Pollard matter and found Chaims video from last year where he condemns Gingrich for opposing letting Jonathan Pollard free. Now Mr Gingrich has changed his opinion in a public announcement that if he were elected he would look into releasing Jonathan Pollard.
Just some of the recent comments may come back and smack us...
We shouldn't pull the wool over our eyes, and pretend that Gingrich is perfect. It is better to keep his feet to the fire, and remind him that we know who he is.
Let's be frank, Gingrich is saying that now because he is running for office. If he is elected who knows what he will do. We can only hope for the best, but should prepare for the worst.
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You perfectionists are missing the point. We're not gonna get Duncan Hunter in the oval office anytime soon. Our choice is four more years of the head Koranimal in charge or someone who may do the right thing now, and even if not will certainly not be as bad as BHO. Some JTFers really need a reality check. Do you really think that Willard will run a campaign like he wants to win it?
Dan: I'm pretty sure the Pakistan report is an absolute lie, but even if it isn't that doesn't change the fact that he got his absurd sentence solely for being a Jew who gave vital information to Israel.
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We shouldn't pull the wool over our eyes, and pretend that Gingrich is perfect. It is better to keep his feet to the fire, and remind him that we know who he is.
Let's be frank, Gingrich is saying that now because he is running for office. If he is elected who knows what he will do. We can only hope for the best, but should prepare for the worst.
This is a very good post! I don't trust Gingrich one little bit! However I do think he'd be marginally better than Obama and of course Obama truly is the worst case scenario in all this.
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We should really remove some of the anti-Gingrinch videos if we are going to support him. Just today I was looking into Mr Gingriches view of the Jonathan Pollard matter and found Chaims video from last year where he condemns Gingrich for opposing letting Jonathan Pollard free. Now Mr Gingrich has changed his opinion in a public announcement that if he were elected he would look into releasing Jonathan Pollard.
Just some of the recent comments may come back and smack us...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIxN0mjjME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JUSrT5Am-w
I had uploaded the anti-Gingrich videos to my channel but I've set them to private so nobody can see them. I think anyone else who has them uploaded should do the same if they can remember how to log in to the accounts they have for them.
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Chaim was right to make the videos when he did but it's almost certain that Newt was less behind his past evil deeds than the Muslim BHO is his.
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You perfectionists are missing the point. We're not gonna get Duncan Hunter in the oval office anytime soon. Our choice is four more years of the head Koranimal in charge or someone who may do the right thing now, and even if not will certainly not be as bad as BHO. Some JTFers really need a reality check. Do you really think that Willard will run a campaign like he wants to win it?
This is in essence my line of thinking. Mitt Romney repeatedly has taken the path of least resistance. If Romney wins the nomination and continues on his current path, his reluctance to make controversial ( politically incorrect ) comments will make Barack Hussein Obama's job much easier to remain in the oval office. At least with Newt, there's a realistic chance that he will run a campaign that puts him on the Offensive against BHO.
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Most JTFers voted to support Newt Gingrich when we took this poll last month. Now with his resounding South Carolina primary victory and his stunning debate performances, I think the time has clearly come to back him before the crucial Florida primary on Tuesday, January 31.
I totally agree, Chaim.
After watching this past Monday Night's debate that took place in Myrtle Beach and then seeing your video that focused on Newt Gingrich's outstanding performance in the debate, I decided to support Newt's campaign. Both in terms of a financial donation and in promoting positive Newt videos. There was no reason for me to delay the decision until after the South Carolina Primary. Despite the current polls, I'm of the opinion that Newt has the best chance of any of the remaining Republican candidates to defeat Barack Hussein Obama in the general election.
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If Santorum is not reaching there, then Newt has to be supported.
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I hadn't seen that video...that's quite a difference from what we're putting out now. I have a few questions:
1. I heard that Jonathan Pollard was not only giving information to Israel, but was also paid to give information to other countries, such as Pakistan. Is there more to this story?
2. If Newt Gingrich betrays people politically to the extent that he betrays his wives, as Chaim said, can we really trust his position on Israel?
3. If Newt Gingrich has a bunch of corruption in his past, is he really in the best position to go up against Obama?
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Shalom Dan:
1. That's a complete lie. Pollard has not only been imprisoned for 26 years for doing something good for both America and Israel, he has also been the victim of a vicious smear campaign.
2. We have to be wise enough to realize that we can't trust politicians. I don't trust Gingrich or any of the other politicians. I don't expect him to keep his word on all of what he says to us during the campaign. He tells us that if Hamas and the PLO were willing to make "peace" with Israel, that he would favor an independent state. So he has plenty of wiggle room to betray us. I want to do videos explaining to him why that position is wrong. But he is the lesser of the evils right now and has the best chance of beating Obama, who is a mortal threat to the survival of both America and Israel.
3. Gingrich is vulnerable and has many skeletons in his closet. So does Romney. One of these two will be the Republican nominee, in my opinion. When Obama and the media start tearing into the Republican candidate mercilessly on a daily basis, who would fight off and counter the attacks more effectively? In my view, Gingrich is simply better at responding. He's certainly a better debater, a better speaker and does better interviews. Gingrich can also excite the Republican and conservative base far more than Romney.
In conclusion, we have to make tough choices. Thank you for raising these important concerns, Dan.
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I know that Glenn Beck has been hammering Gingrich as a big government progressive. Not that Romeny is any better, as he enacted Romneycare in MA and used to support abortions and he still plays nice to liberals. But anyway, the issue is, how can you sell Newt to right wing libertarians like people who follow Glenn Beck. If they stay at home or vote for a third party I don't think Newt can win the election.
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I hadn't seen that video...that's quite a difference from what we're putting out now. I have a few questions:
1. I heard that Jonathan Pollard was not only giving information to Israel, but was also paid to give information to other countries, such as Pakistan. Is there more to this story?
Pollard denies this. I believe antisemite propagandists who oppose his release (including those in state dept and us military) have spread this lie.
2. If Newt Gingrich betrays people politically to the extent that he betrays his wives, as Chaim said, can we really trust his position on Israel?[/quote ]
I would trust it more than obama or mitt oslo romney.
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Where does one vote in this poll? I don't see any radio buttons for Y/N selections.
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I don't either. But why not just chip in and tell us who you think we should support, and why?
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I know that Glenn Beck has been hammering Gingrich as a big government progressive. Not that Romeny is any better, as he enacted Romneycare in MA and used to support abortions and he still plays nice to liberals. But anyway, the issue is, how can you sell Newt to right wing libertarians like people who follow Glenn Beck. If they stay at home or vote for a third party I don't think Newt can win the election.
"Right wing libertarian" is oxymoronic
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"Right wing libertarian" is oxymoronic
Thats not true. Libertarianism is still not necessarily conservative, but there is HUGE overlapping... especially fiscal conservatives.
An overreaching government is still the main enemy of the conservative.
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I don't believe the story of the passed informations to Pak too. This is nonsense. What should be his intentions in the light of the good things he did provenly to Israel? A little bit Muslim money?
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I know that Glenn Beck has been hammering Gingrich as a big government progressive. Not that Romeny is any better, as he enacted Romneycare in MA and used to support abortions and he still plays nice to liberals. But anyway, the issue is, how can you sell Newt to right wing libertarians like people who follow Glenn Beck. If they stay at home or vote for a third party I don't think Newt can win the election.
Believe me. Glen beck supporters would be dumb to stand idly by and vote for no one. A vote for no one is a vote for Obama
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If this is the attitude Glenn Beck is taking it's shameful. This is no different from Michael Faggot's behavior four years ago. AFAIC Weiner was bought off by the Obama campaign.