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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on January 04, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
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It's going to be either Rick Santorum or Mitt Romney. I am convinced that one of them will win the Republican presidential nomination unless something completely unexpected occurs. I think Santorum is far from perfect but better than Romney.
On Iran, Santorum wants crippling sanctions, and wants to give the Iranians an immediate ultimatum to either open up all of their nuclear facilities to immediate inspection or face a bombing of those facilities by the U.S. air force. A pretty good position if he means it.
On Israel, Santorum claims that Israel has the right to keep all of her land and build settlements as she wishes. But he would support the Israeli government if they decided to give up land, G-d forbid. This position is not as good as Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich, who in effect publicly urge Israel not to surrender her land. But the Santorum position, if he means it, is better than Mitt Romney. Santorum attacked Gingrich for saying there is no "Palestinian" people, so I question his sincerity. However, on paper Santorum is better than Romney on this issue.
On issues like energy independence, illegal immigration, abortion, homosexuality, entitlements, spending, taxes, and the Second Amendment, Santorum is better on paper than Romney.
Can Santorum win? Who knows? Romney has much more money, establishment support and organizational muscle in the upcoming primaries and caucuses. Romney is clearly the frontrunner and the favorite right now. Santorum is the underdog. But it is possible to see Santorum uniting the Republican party's conservative majority against Romney.
Can Santorum beat Barack Hussein Obama? Again, who knows? Either Santorum or Romney will come under ferocious attack from the billion dollar Obama campaign and the Obama-worshipping news media as soon as it is clear who the Republican nominee will be. Can either Santorum or Romney survive this onslaught? I honestly don't know.
If we support Santorum, I will begin a massive video campaign on his behalf. Even if we do not support Santorum, I think I should do videos commenting on his positions - praising him when appropriate and urging him to take a more rightwing stance when appropriate.
So what do you think?
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Tough call at this time... Obviously I would vote for either of them over the abomination obamanation.
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santorum is better than romney, so yes.
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I think it would be best to break it down to the following:
1. Anyone but Ron foul.
2. Non romney/Paul candidate is a better choice.
I wouldn't endorse anyone yet. However a good video would be to contrast romney from non romney with a reminder that Ron foul is an outright Nazi.
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http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=2511
Rick Santorum: 'There are no Palestinians'
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I don't see Santorum doing well in the general elections... At this point its a wait and see for me... Who ever gains the nomination will be the one I support going forward... I see Romney having a chance to win in November however Santorum winning would indeed take some divine intervention.
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http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=2511
Rick Santorum: 'There are no Palestinians'
Ashe!!! Long time no see
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santorum is better on the issues, but hes gonna get his *ss kicked by the obama-zombie media.
then again romney just sucks
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Yes Santorum is the true conservative and he is making promises about a lot of things and if he was electable I would vote for him in a minute but he is not electable.
The truth is that it's either going to be Romney against Obama or obama gets re-elected.
Santorum can not beat obama, every poll says so even the ultra conservative Fox News says obama would beat him.
Last week Romney was leading obama by 6 points.
This is not an election to say "well it's not so bad if the current president gets re-elected", this time it means America and Israel getting totally destroyed.
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I don't see Santorum doing well in the general elections... At this point its a wait and see for me... Who ever gains the nomination will be the one I support going forward... I see Romney having a chance to win in November however Santorum winning would indeed take some divine intervention.
Divine intervention?, it would be a miracle like we have never witnessed before.
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Divine intervention?, it would be a miracle like we have never witnessed before.
:laugh: :::D
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Yes Santorum is the true conservative and he is making promises about a lot of things and if he was electable I would vote for him in a minute but he is not electable.
The truth is that it's either going to be Romney against Obama or obama gets re-elected.
Santorum can not beat obama, every poll says so even the ultra conservative Fox News says obama would beat him.
Last week Romney was leading obama by 6 points.
This is not an election to say "well it's not so bad if the current president gets re-elected", this time it means America and Israel getting totally destroyed.
Take a few moments to think about voting for him the guy has a great deal of old baggage that will give the opposition plenty to toss his way... Something always made me uneasy about this guy... His support of Arlen Specter still doesn't sit well with many people.
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I like santorum. He has huge support from evangelicals. But romney still has a better chance against Obama
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BTW, welcome back ashedina and jbeige.
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BTW, welcome back ashedina and jbeige.
Thanks for the welcome, but I won't stay around too long because my political views seem to get me into trouble.
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I like santorum. He has huge support from evangelicals. But romney still has a better chance against Obama
You are right.
It's sad to say we have to either have Romney or obama.
Romney/Santorum 2012
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Wait until after South Carolina. Perry is not dropping out right now and if he sticks around for SC then he will ruin any chance Santorum has of winning that key state. Of course If Santorum does not win SC then he has no chance of winning the nomination so one might say that Santorum should be supported so he can win SC. Romney has a much better shot of beating Obama from what I have seen.
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Romney is like the establishment sellout Republicans who have always lost: Gerald Ford in 1976, George Bush Sr. in 1992, Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain in 2008.
On the other hand, when Republicans ran as conservatives, they generally have won: Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George Bush Sr. in 1988 ("Read my lips: No new taxes!") and George Bush Jr. in 2000 and 2004. Yes, the Bushes were not real conservatives but they ran as conservatives. (Except in 1992, when Bush Sr. could not even pretend to be conservative anymore.)
I think many of our great JTFers have been influenced by the establishment propaganda that says that a conservative outsider can't win. History proves otherwise.
Rick Santorum would inspire tremendous Republican base turnout and conservative enthusiasm. He's working class, he's from Pennsylvania (a critical swing state similar to other swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa etc.), and he's Italian American (a potentially big advantage among white ethnic swing voters).
Who would be a tougher opponent for Obama? A working class Italian American Reagan conservative from Pennsylvania, or a super rich, Wall Street Rockefeller liberal from Massachusetts?
Oh yes, let's not forget religious background: Santorum is a Catholic. White Catholics are the biggest swing voters. Romney is a Mormon - there are evangelical Christians who will not vote for a Mormon.
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Romney is like the establishment sellout Republicans who have always lost: Gerald Ford in 1976, George Bush Sr. in 1992, Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain in 2008.
On the other hand, when Republicans ran as conservatives, they generally have won: Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George Bush Sr. in 1988 ("Read my lips: No new taxes!") and George Bush Jr. in 2000 and 2004. Yes, the Bushes were not real conservatives but they ran as conservatives. (Except in 1992, when Bush Sr. could not even pretend to be conservative anymore.)
I think many of our great JTFers have been influenced by the establishment propaganda that says that a conservative outsider can't win. History proves otherwise.
Rick Santorum would inspire tremendous Republican base turnout and conservative enthusiasm. He's working class, he's from Pennsylvania (a critical swing state similar to other swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa etc.), and he's Italian American (a potentially big advantage among white ethnic swing voters).
Who would be a tougher opponent for Obama? A working class Italian American Reagan conservative from Pennsylvania, or a super rich, Wall Street Rockefeller liberal from Massachusetts?
Oh yes, let's not forget religious background: Santorum is a Catholic. White Catholics are the biggest swing voters. Romney is a Mormon - there are evangelical Christians who will not vote for a Mormon.
Good points but do recall that America is so very far to the left today that anyone with the image of being "right-wing" at all is automatically perceived as being too radical for the general public. Something like 55% of Americans support sodomite "marriage", and quite a bit more than that support illegal alien amnesty under certain conditions.
I definitely like Santorum more than Romney but voters these days will tolerate only the blandest of GOP candidates. So I'm really not sure.
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Don't forget the Hillary equation in all of this, rumors have been spreading that Hillary Clinton may be Obama's running mate which gives Obama more of a chance of getting re-elected. I don't think Rick Santorum could handle the out of control press if that happens. Mitt Romney would be able too, but he would have to choose his running mate very carefully.
What a scary thought, Obama having the Clinton political machine behind him.
This presidential election may be a lot tougher than any of us thought.
One last quick note...You notice their not announcing who Obama's running mate will be until the GOP chooses it's candidate.
I Would like to see Santorum be the nominee, but I don't think he is electable if the above circumstances come true.
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Santorum is the best candidate between the two!
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Whoever the Republican nominee is will come under massive attack from the Obama money machine and the news media.
Think about this: why does the media support Romney? They will go after him mercilessly the moment he gets the nomination. Same for Santorum.
Romney is very vulnerable to attacks over his flip flopping and phoniness. Santorum will be portrayed as an extreme rightwinger. Either way we have an uphill fight this November.
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PA is a very important swing state, but Santorum lost his Senate seat in that very state in 2006 and many people feel he really lives in Virginia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum#2006
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Whoever the Republican nominee is will come under massive attack from the Obama money machine and the news media.
Think about this: why does the media support Romney? They will go after him mercilessly the moment he gets the nomination. Same for Santorum.
Romney is very vulnerable to attacks over his flip flopping and phoniness. Santorum will be portrayed as an extreme rightwinger. Either way we have an uphill fight this November.
I think in this day and age being portrayed as a radical rightist is the ultimate insult and kiss of death.
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Romney is like the establishment sellout Republicans who have always lost: Gerald Ford in 1976, George Bush Sr. in 1992, Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain in 2008.
On the other hand, when Republicans ran as conservatives, they generally have won: Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George Bush Sr. in 1988 ("Read my lips: No new taxes!") and George Bush Jr. in 2000 and 2004. Yes, the Bushes were not real conservatives but they ran as conservatives. (Except in 1992, when Bush Sr. could not even pretend to be conservative anymore.)
I think many of our great JTFers have been influenced by the establishment propaganda that says that a conservative outsider can't win. History proves otherwise.
Rick Santorum would inspire tremendous Republican base turnout and conservative enthusiasm. He's working class, he's from Pennsylvania (a critical swing state similar to other swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa etc.), and he's Italian American (a potentially big advantage among white ethnic swing voters).
Who would be a tougher opponent for Obama? A working class Italian American Reagan conservative from Pennsylvania, or a super rich, Wall Street Rockefeller liberal from Massachusetts?
Oh yes, let's not forget religious background: Santorum is a Catholic. White Catholics are the biggest swing voters. Romney is a Mormon - there are evangelical Christians who will not vote for a Mormon.
Sometimes moderates are more competitive candidates, sometimes conservatives are.
But in THIS case, UNFORTUNATELY, I think a moderate phoney RINO like Romney stands a better chance. I think that Romney has the institutional GOP support and the money support. Romney can raise more money and support better than anyone... and since the last 2 elections, the GOP has been outspent by a larger margin, we need a marketing machine like Romney and the money to fight against Obama.
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Americans are superficial, and want someone tall, with nice hair, and a nice tan who LOOKS like a president.
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Americans still blame the GOP for the economic fiasco. They still aren't ready for someone more fiscally conservative yet..... maybe in 2016 they will be.
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I suspect that santorum cannot sustain this success. They had the manpower in iowa and he was the most active there, going out and campaigning every single day. They won't have the time or money to repeat this aggressive effort in the other states. BUT he could get a lot of momentum and new attention from this success in Iowa. On the other hand, what about Newt?
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I guess so even though I think his foreign policy is way to hawkish though I think he is like what Chaim said better on paper as far as like illegal immigration, Israel and what not and he is also even running what I think is pretty good campaign which I believe is a key to winning elections.
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
Sounds fine to me. Of course I think Santorum MUCH better than Romney. I'm just focused on beating Obama at the moment.
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
I think that is a great idea!
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I can't begin to tell you how confused I am as to whom to support. What happened to our support for Gingrich? Is that off the table now? I do love how Santorum supports Israel and says there are no Palestinians. I also loved how he said that he would bomb Iran's nuclear sites. Terrific. But saying that out loud can really be turned against him. So, let me ask you this: Can he really win the Presidency? I don't think Romney can win it either. Out of all of them, I feel that only Gingrich can win the Presidency. But even there I'm not sure. I think Romney's wealth and privileged background will work against him, while Santorum's working class background will be a plus. But Newt was the Speaker of the House and he knows how to get things done in Washington. Santorum also has a baby face and looks like a kid. I think that will work against him.
I could be totally wrong about all these thoughts. But this is my thinking right now. As I said, I'm just confused as to who to support. Obviously, after the convention, I'll support the nominee. But who do I support right now? I don't know.
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
In my opinion this tack is the best for the moment. The field has been shifting so quickly in the last few months...
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Chaim, good idea
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Yes, I agree Chaim
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I like him better than Romney too because he's more pro-Israel and appears more conservative, although I'm not sure what to think for sure right now as the game keeps changing so rapidly.
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to pro-romney people... i hope you realize obama will portray him as a right-wing extremist. they could run john mccain again and obama would say he's a right-wing extremist. the democrat playbook is to make any republican out to be some crazy right-winger. the fact is that moderate republicans who run as moderates are always a disaster.
you will also see liberal pacs subtlely and not so subtlely attacking romney for being a mormon, to keep evangelicals and other christians from voting for him.
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He raised one million dollars in one day Wed
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http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=2511&r=1
Read this link
Rick Santorum has JTF's view on Israel and Jeuda and Samria
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
Chaim, I think your views are Santorum are correct. Romney simply does not have Santorum's credibility. His working class roots and the fact that he is a devoted family man are HUGE pluses. I have to admit that I am quite encouraged to see a young and exciting guy like Santorum speak the truth as Newt did about the fakestinians. This is a great trend that is reversing the ground gained by the left on this issue for some time. I think Santorum has the potential to have the same kind of mystique that JFK had back in the day. After all, wasn't that the last time we had a young attractive Catholic family man try for office (please I know JFK was a womanizer, but the nation wasn't aware). Now, I believe your approach of praising the positive opinions he has expressed concerning the Israel-FakestinianNazi war are a great start. After all, politicians need to be encouraged to keep expressing a particular viewpoint. Can you imagine what it would be like if we had a Santorum/Newt or Newt/Santorum ticket? That would be much better than anything the Romulans would propose. I agree, true conservatism has been the mark of a successful Republican candidate. The so called moderate candidate is simply a Republican with an ineffective message and little backbone for a real fight.
BTW, what will really be the hallmark of a truly conservative Republican administration is who is selected to lead the State Department and who is brought in as the Secretary of Defense.
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I vote we rally round santorum for the time being, why??heres why.
Despite people saying Romney has the best chance, on what evidence? Facts are, and Chaims metioned this, is the fact that hes not likable. Hes like a flipflopping, beter looking version of mccaine.
Mike Huckabee on zero money defeated romney last year, if michalle bachmann dropped out of the iowa race, Santorum would have won easily.
Heres my prediction.
Santorumm moved third in the polls in NH. If Gingrich losses out, i predict he, and all the others will rally round santorum as Romney wont get the conservative or chistian vote. Gingrich has been slating romney viciously, whilst praising Rick Santorum. Hes basically going to be Ricks sorragate runner. Hopefully rick perry will leave and then if Santorum can survive till the bible belt is game over for Romney.
Remember folks the democrats slate who more competition.
Romney, despite his money and establishment backing just does not warm the crowd.
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the fact that gingrich and santorum have both said there are no palestinians or palestine is a great, great move in the right direction for the republicans. on the other hand, you have mitt romney who went the other direction and continued the old democrat/bush line that there are palestinians.
i can hope if santorum or even gingrich get elected they will purge all the nazi pigs from the state department.
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
Yes, this sounds like the best way to go for now.
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There is one position, however, that social conservatives ask Santorum about regularly on the campaign trail, an issue that also comes up regularly on conservative talk radio: His support for former Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter in the 2004 GOP Senate primary. Specter, a moderate switched to the Democratic Party in 2009, is a supporter of gay rights - he voted to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - and, more crucially, evolved into a staunch supporter of abortion rights
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No. Only Romney has the money and operations to defeat Obama. Santorum is a good guy, but he will get trounced in November. Romney, at least, has a chance.
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Santorum
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The weird thing about Don't Ask, Don't tell, was that I thought during the Clinton presidency that was seen as a pro-gay thing, as it allowed gays to serve in the military as long as they didn't broadcast it. It protected them by keeping them from having to directly lie about it or out themselves.
However more recently it was condemned by all the pro gay groups because they wanted to serve openly (loudly and proudly I guess).
This is just so strange how liberals say they want something and then a few years later condemn that very same thing.
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I suspect that santorum cannot sustain this success. They had the manpower in iowa and he was the most active there, going out and campaigning every single day. They won't have the time or money to repeat this aggressive effort in the other states. BUT he could get a lot of momentum and new attention from this success in Iowa. On the other hand, what about Newt?
While Newt has an uphill battle, I still believe he has a chance to win the nomination. The reason being, Newt is the best debator of all of the candidates. There hasn't been a debate since the middle of December. That contributed greatly to Newt's substantial drop in Iowa and in the National polls. With two debates this weekend and more to follow in the coming weeks, Newt can still win the Republican Nomination for President.
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
Chaim, I'm in total support of this strategy. The video you did on Rick Santorum, regarding Iran, is excellent.
For me, my decision in terms of who to support in the Republican Primary process will come down to Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. I've seen enough of Mitt Romney to come to the conclusion that the ONLY way Romney can beat Barack Hussein Obama ( unless Romney changes his campaign approach for the better ) is if Hussein Obama LOSES the election. In other words, Romney's ultra politically correct approach is a very defensive strategy that will backfire unless the election comes down to enough voters determining that Obama must go! I prefer a much more proactive strategy against Obama. This doesn't even factor in that Romney is worse on the issues than Gingrich and Santorum. The only way I would support Romney in the Republican Primary process is if he's the only person that stands in the way of Ron Paul winning the nomination.
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YOu know what? Either way the media will knock on Romney or Santorum no matter what.
However, who can defend their views better without being so nice about it? I think Newt and Santorum will show some backbone....hopefully. Romney, too nice on the Israel issue..and therefore will be too nice about Obama. That's my assumption.
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At present Santorum should be encouraged and then see what happens next.
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There is one position, however, that social conservatives ask Santorum about regularly on the campaign trail, an issue that also comes up regularly on conservative talk radio: His support for former Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter in the 2004 GOP Senate primary. Specter, a moderate switched to the Democratic Party in 2009, is a supporter of gay rights - he voted to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - and, more crucially, evolved into a staunch supporter of abortion rights
romney's liberal stances and romneycare are far worse than support arlen specter. santorum only supported specter because bush told him to do it.
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romney's liberal stances and romneycare are far worse than support arlen specter. santorum only supported specter because bush told him to do it.
Do you even know where Romney was Governor?, Think about it, he was in the most liberal state in the country, what do you expect him to do when all he has is liberals to work with.
Sorry but if you support someone who is for abortion, gay rights, etc. then you are for those things too.
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At this point I just don't see how Santorum is electable. He's made too many dumb statements and the country has moved too far to the left.
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Yes Santorum is the true conservative and he is making promises about a lot of things and if he was electable I would vote for him in a minute but he is not electable.
The truth is that it's either going to be Romney against Obama or obama gets re-elected.
Santorum can not beat obama, every poll says so even the ultra conservative Fox News says obama would beat him.
Last week Romney was leading obama by 6 points.
This is not an election to say "well it's not so bad if the current president gets re-elected", this time it means America and Israel getting totally destroyed.
You are so convinced romney can beat obama, but I am quite sure of the opposite. Milquetoast Romney doesn't stand a chance against a populist like hussein.
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You are so convinced romney can beat obama, but I am quite sure of the opposite. Milquetoast Romney doesn't stand a chance against a populist like hussein.
I could be wrong but we seem to have an under dog syndrome going on... First Bachmann then Cain and now Santorum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjOi_3H7gw
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I voted no on the basis that we must support a candidate that is better than Obama and will defeat him. If Obama wins, it is basically the end of both the US and Israel.
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You are so convinced romney can beat obama, but I am quite sure of the opposite. Milquetoast Romney doesn't stand a chance against a populist like hussein.
Hussein isnt a populist.. he is an elitist... and he has the backing of the media and the establishment as a whole. He has had far more campaign money than his opponents throughout his short career.... he was able to outspend Mccain 2 to 1.
As much as I prefer Santorum based upon his views, Santorum cannot win. I wish that werent the case, but it is. Romney on the other hand... has the money and the GOP support, and.... the look. For whatever reason, or a combination of reasons... Undecideds like him.
There was a recent poll where conservatives overwelmingly said they just wanted a candidate who could beat obama. That one issue was FAR more important than anything else. At this point, conservatives will vote for Kim Kardashian just as long as she could beat Obama. Romney will NOT cause the conservatives to stay home and not vote..... NOT if that vote is against Obama.... the most unconservative president in history.
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Hussein isnt a populist.. he is an elitist... and he has the backing of the media and the establishment as a whole. He has had far more campaign money than his opponents throughout his short career.... he was able to outspend Mccain 2 to 1.
As much as I prefer Santorum based upon his views, Santorum cannot win. I wish that werent the case, but it is. Romney on the other hand... has the money and the GOP support, and.... the look. For whatever reason, or a combination of reasons... Undecideds like him.
There was a recent poll where conservatives overwelmingly said they just wanted a candidate who could beat obama. That one issue was FAR more important than anything else. At this point, conservatives will vote for Kim Kardashian just as long as she could beat Obama. Romney will NOT cause the conservatives to stay home and not vote..... NOT if that vote is against Obama.... the most unconservative president in history.
Give the man a cigar he gets it... :clap: People will vote for Romney for a few reasons... He is a money man, he is moderate and above all he is not the "shvartza President"
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If we want to judge Santorum then judge him not just by what he says, but at his Senate record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum#Foreign_policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum#Foreign_policy)
]In 2005, Santorum sponsored the Iran Freedom and Support Act, which appropriated $10 million aimed at regime change in Iran. The Act passed with overwhelming support. However, Santorum nevertheless voted against the Lautenberg amendment, which would have closed the loophole that allows companies like Halliburton to do business with Iran through their foreign affiliate
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I think at the very least, I should do videos praising Santorum's good positions on Iran, correcting some of what he says on Israel, and so on - without endorsing him and without condemning Mitt Romney for now.
If we see his candidacy begin to take off, we can support him in the near future. But for now, we will limit what we say to commentaries without an endorsement.
Sound reasonable?
Yes. Very.
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While Newt has an uphill battle, I still believe he has a chance to win the nomination. The reason being, Newt is the best debator of all of the candidates. There hasn't been a debate since the middle of December. That contributed greatly to Newt's substantial drop in Iowa and in the National polls. With two debates this weekend and more to follow in the coming weeks, Newt can still win the Republican Nomination for President.
I agree. We can't count him out. For me, because of what he said about "palestinians" I've decided that's a slam dunk, I would vote for him if there was a primary in my state today, no question.
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Romney on the other hand... has the money and the GOP support, and.... the look. For whatever reason, or a combination of reasons... Undecideds like him.
The look? To me, he looks exactly like what he is: BORING and Unappealing.
Some people seem to have a mancrush on the guy but that really doesn't count for anything. He is a pathetic candidate imo.
There was a recent poll where conservatives overwelmingly said they just wanted a candidate who could beat obama. That one issue was FAR more important than anything else. At this point, conservatives will vote for Kim Kardashian just as long as she could beat Obama. Romney will NOT cause the conservatives to stay home and not vote..... NOT if that vote is against Obama.... the most unconservative president in history.
People assume he can beat obama but others cannot. Why?
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I could be wrong but we seem to have an under dog syndrome going on... First Bachmann then Cain and now Santorum.
I never even said I supported santorum. I like Newt.
I didn't watch your video and don't know what "under dog syndrome" means, but if milquetoast romney is the favorite, then yes I will always pick the underdog against him because he is a liberal and will lose to obama. Simple as that. (And I still like bachmann!)
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You guys claim(some) that romney is more elctable than santorum, but whats the evidence for this???
The fact is romney lost to Mccaine, who lost do Obama.
In fact despite ALL the money romney has, he would have lost to Santorum in a one on one in Iowa. That is fact.
What about the evangelical vote, a vote that (unfortunately) won bush the election. They stayed at home with John Mccaine, they certainly will with romney.
I can guarentee you that if santorum is within a sniff of romney when the bible belt votes comes around(assumoing rick perry gone), its lights out for Romney.
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By the time the CA primary is held the nominee will already be decided and I will support whoever he is (unless he is Aryan Paul, G-d forbid). I don't like Romney but he might be the only option at this point. Everyone here is forgetting just how insanely far to the left America has moved. For crying out loud--Russell Pearce was just recalled in his home district of Mesa, AZ--one of the most conservative metropolitan districts in the United States. Ohio governor John Kasich's bill to end the special state privileges that Ohio's union mafias get was defeated by like 67% of the voters. The vast majority of Americans favor some sort of amnesty for illegal aliens and a solid majority (something like 56%) now support sodomite "marriage". A Reaganite conservative will get murdered today no matter how much money and charisma he has. We can ignore that, or face reality.
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You guys claim(some) that romney is more elctable than santorum, but whats the evidence for this???
The fact is romney lost to Mccaine, who lost do Obama.
In fact despite ALL the money romney has, he would have lost to Santorum in a one on one in Iowa. That is fact.
What about the evangelical vote, a vote that (unfortunately) won bush the election. They stayed at home with John Mccaine, they certainly will with romney.
I can guarentee you that if santorum is within a sniff of romney when the bible belt votes comes around(assumoing rick perry gone), its lights out for Romney.
Here is your "proof", here is just one of many polls that say Romney beats obama:
Election 2012: Romney 45%, Obama 39%
Thursday, December 29, 2011
Mitt Romney has now jumped to his biggest lead ever over President Obama in a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup. It’s also the biggest lead a named Republican candidate has held over the incumbent in Rasmussen Reports surveying to date.The latest national telephone survey finds that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the former Massachusetts governor, while 39% prefer the president. Ten percent (10%) like some other candidate in the race, and six percent (6%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
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I agree. We can't count him out. For me, because of what he said about "palestinians" I've decided that's a slam dunk, I would vote for him if there was a primary in my state today, no question.
Everything can not be about just what he said about "palestinians" there are other issue, I don't know where you're from but we in America can not have just one issue make us vote for someone.
Unemployment, Inflation, Military strength, etc is more of a concern for most Americans.
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I could be wrong but we seem to have an under dog syndrome going on... First Bachmann then Cain and now Santorum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjOi_3H7gw
If reminds me of the song from the 60's, Abraham, Martin and John.
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You guys claim(some) that romney is more elctable than santorum, but whats the evidence for this???
The fact is romney lost to Mccaine, who lost do Obama.
In fact despite ALL the money romney has, he would have lost to Santorum in a one on one in Iowa. That is fact.
What about the evangelical vote, a vote that (unfortunately) won bush the election. They stayed at home with John Mccaine, they certainly will with romney.
I can guarentee you that if santorum is within a sniff of romney when the bible belt votes comes around(assumoing rick perry gone), its lights out for Romney.
The bible belt will not want a thing to do with Santotum... He is a dreaded Roman Catholic and the last thing the bible thumper folks want is someone with a connection to the "evil pope" running their country... Despite what people think even the bible belt influence only goes so far... Sadly the bulk of the votes in the national elections comes from the big cities and for the most part tend to be of the more liberal leanings.
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The bible belt will not want a thing to do with Santotum... He is a dreaded Roman Catholic and the last thing the bible thumper folks want is someone with a connection to the "evil pope" running their country... Despite what people think even the bible belt influence only goes so far... Sadly the bulk of the votes in the national elections comes from the big cities and for the most part tend to be of the more liberal leanings.
Not sure that I agree with that. Most of Santorum's recent surge comes from evangelicals (Protestants) that are enamored of Santorum's positions on abortion and fag "marriage".
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Here is your "proof", here is just one of many polls that say Romney beats obama:
Election 2012: Romney 45%, Obama 39%
Thursday, December 29, 2011
Mitt Romney has now jumped to his biggest lead ever over President Obama in a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup. It’s also the biggest lead a named Republican candidate has held over the incumbent in Rasmussen Reports surveying to date.The latest national telephone survey finds that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the former Massachusetts governor, while 39% prefer the president. Ten percent (10%) like some other candidate in the race, and six percent (6%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
How can these polls really matter? Didn't the polls have santorum at like 5% until the last week before the vote in iowa?
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Everything can not be about just what he said about "palestinians" there are other issue, I don't know where you're from but we in America can not have just one issue make us vote for someone.
Unemployment, Inflation, Military strength, etc is more of a concern for most Americans.
I'm a Jew living in America and for someone with the guts to say the truth about the middle east on the national stage like he did and then defend those comments in the face of criticism, yes there is no other issue because he is obviously superior to obama on everything else as well.
And I certainly won't vote for someone in a primary like Romney who reacted to these comments by saying fakestinians really do exist and no one can suggest otherwise! That's a severe lack of judgment and inability to tell americans the truth.
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How can these polls really matter? Didn't the polls have santorum at like 5% until the last week before the vote in iowa?
No the polls actually showed that Romney was going to lose Iowa, he didn't think he was going to win, Santorum was always the one to beat in Iowa.
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No the polls actually showed that Romney was going to lose Iowa, he didn't think he was going to win, Santorum was always the one to beat in Iowa.
What??? Santorum only showed momentum in the very last week. Before that, he was never above single digits.
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What??? Santorum only showed momentum in the very last week. Before that, he was never above single digits.
lol, yes exactly. Let's engage facts, not fantasy.
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lol, yes exactly. Let's engage facts, not fantasy.
This was a December poll:
According to the CNN/Time/ORC poll, released on Wednesday, 25 percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers support Romney, 22 percent support Paul and 16 percent support Santorum
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL FACTS?, you of all people don't seem to know the facts or can read what's in front of you.
FACT:Polls Romney beats obama. Santorum can not be found that's how obama blows him away.
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Good Luck to all you Santorum supporters, you're going to need it.....
I am voting for Romney.
Thank you and goodnight.
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One wonders why jbeige (Johnson Brown) has just now decided to start posting again.
That aside, as much as I don't want him to be, I don't really seeing anyone but Romney standing a chance.
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Santorum is definitely more Conservative than Romney. I believe the 2 candidates who could cause pain for the Obamanation, is Newt, Santorum, and Romney last....Do you realize how many videos the administration has on Romney Waffling? They will have a field day with this. Newt and Santorum are solid for Israel too! Newt is smart, has one lobe tied behind his back just to make it fair....Good point Gingrich brought up in the debate last night, Catholics, Christians, and Jews are under attack and being persecuted......George, Duh Stephanopolis is clueless, nobody cares about Conception! ABC moderators looked pretty rediculous...notice how they change to social issues and avoid the economy, jobs, energy, and national security to avoid making Obama look like a failure!
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Romney is a liberal slight right of Obama and Ron Paul is a jew hating nazi bastard >:( So they are totally out of question,
At the moment i think Rick sanatorium would be the best president of the candidates that are left but it's a close call if i would choice Newt
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The electability of Rick Santorum is not an issue. In fact, I'd say he's more electable than Romney.
Also, Romney, Paul, Obama. Same person, different names. So yes, I personally endorse Santorum. Also, Newt is a progressive.
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This was a December poll:
According to the CNN/Time/ORC poll, released on Wednesday, 25 percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers support Romney, 22 percent support Paul and 16 percent support Santorum
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL FACTS?, you of all people don't seem to know the facts or can read what's in front of you.
FACT:Polls Romney beats obama. Santorum can not be found that's how obama blows him away.
What you are quoting shows Romney leading. You claimed that Romney trailed the whole way. WRONG.
Santorum gained momentum in the last week. And it was a complete upset.
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History shows that a "safe" candidate that appeals to moderates (which in this case is exactly how Romney is billed), always loses to the incumbent. Mark Levin was speaking about this on his show tonight, there was an article out about this today in a major media source.
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History shows that a "safe" candidate that appeals to moderates (which in this case is exactly how Romney is billed), always loses to the incumbent. Mark Levin was speaking about this on his show tonight, there was an article out about this today in a major media source.
Then how do you explain Goldwater, the ultimate un-safe candidate?
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What's his stance on guns? I don't know much about Santorum. I thought Gingrich would have been good
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I am pretty sure Santorum is pro-gun
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I am pretty sure Santorum is pro-gun
That's good, Romney definitely isn't pro gun.
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He'd still be better than BHO.
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There is one problem if we don't have a conservative Republican in the white house. A RINO may be able to pass 'immigration reform' AKA Amnesty much easier than a democrat would. That's something to think about.
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There is one problem if we don't have a conservative Republican in the white house. A RINO may be able to pass 'immigration reform' AKA Amnesty much easier than a democrat would. That's something to think about.
In theory yeah but look at what Obama is doing right now. Obama may be able to pull off amnesty by executive order.
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There is one problem if we don't have a conservative Republican in the white house. A RINO may be able to pass 'immigration reform' AKA Amnesty much easier than a democrat would. That's something to think about.
This is a very good point, and one reason I think Rinos are very dangerous. If this election WEREN'T against Obama, I would probably be campaigning against Romney for this very reason. However... Obama's removal has trumped nearly all other concerns I have.... I just want him out, ASAP.
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More baggage for Santorum:
The fight over the fate of Terri Schiavo, the 41-year-old Florida woman who died in 2005 after a judge ordered her life-preserving feeding tubes removed, captivated and divided the American public. Then-Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.),was one of the leading proponents of state intervention to save Schiavo's life, cosponsoring a bill to intervene in the case and even visiting Schiavo in the hospital. That aggressive advocacy helped lead to Santorum's ouster from Congress the next year.
Now all you pro lifers will be saying "he should have saved her", I don't know about you but I do not want the government telling me what to do in my personal life, we don't need big brother looking over our shoulders.
Family is a personal thing, most of you cried that out when he did the sick thing bringing his dead baby home, would he have liked if the government told him that he couldn't do a "show and tell" with his dead baby.
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Nobody cares what you think Johnson. If you like abortion vote for Nazi Paul; I'm sure you will anyway.
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Nobody cares what you think Johnson. If you like abortion vote for Nazi Paul; I'm sure you will anyway.
Why does just crap come out of your mouth, you have no intelligent answers, this is a forum for G_ds sake people are all not suppose to agree with each other.
I guess you are mentally handicapped because you don't know by now who I'm supporting.
:laugh: :::D :laugh:
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More baggage for Santorum:
The fight over the fate of Terri Schiavo, the 41-year-old Florida woman who died in 2005 after a judge ordered her life-preserving feeding tubes removed, captivated and divided the American public. Then-Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.),was one of the leading proponents of state intervention to save Schiavo's life, cosponsoring a bill to intervene in the case and even visiting Schiavo in the hospital. That aggressive advocacy helped lead to Santorum's ouster from Congress the next year.
Now all you pro lifers will be saying "he should have saved her", I don't know about you but I do not want the government telling me what to do in my personal life, we don't need big brother looking over our shoulders.
Family is a personal thing, most of you cried that out when he did the sick thing bringing his dead baby home, would he have liked if the government told him that he couldn't do a "show and tell" with his dead baby.
Actually, that makes me like Santorum all the more.
This is not about the government meddling in people's health decisions. It's about a whoring adulterer man using the law to have his disabled wife, for whom he refused to provide necessary care, killed under the cover of the law. He wanted that insurance money. And once it came in, he stopped all care for poor Terri, and pushed aggressively to have her feeding tube removed.
As far as I'm concerned, Michael Schiavo should boil in hot oil for all eternity. Same holds true for that Judge George Greer.
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Why does just crap come out of your mouth, you have no intelligent answers, this is a forum for G_ds sake people are all not suppose to agree with each other.
I guess you are mentally handicapped because you don't know by now who I'm supporting.
:laugh: :::D :laugh:
It's funny you accuse me of being "mentally handicapped" and "spewing crap" when you are the one who said Israel was behind 9/11 (on your own personal "forum").
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It's funny you accuse me of being "mentally handicapped" and "spewing crap" when you are the one who said Israel was behind 9/11 (on your own personal "forum").
Once again you can't think of the reason you are mentally handicapped so you come up with more nonsense.
I will not argue or fight with someone that is mentally handicapped, it's not fair to you so I will not respond to anything you say from now on.
Goodbye Mexicali Rose.
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Actually, that makes me like Santorum all the more.
This is not about the government meddling in people's health decisions. It's about a whoring adulterer man using the law to have his disabled wife, for whom he refused to provide necessary care, killed under the cover of the law. He wanted that insurance money. And once it came in, he stopped all care for poor Terri, and pushed aggressively to have her feeding tube removed.
As far as I'm concerned, Michael Schiavo should boil in hot oil for all eternity. Same holds true for that Judge George Greer.
Yes this is about government meddling, she was married to him, did she get a divorce from him?, I'm not sure I don't remember the whole case in detail but if she was still married to him it meant that she trusted him and yes that means with her life.
If you don't mind answering a question, I don't know you but if your mother was dying in pain and there was a way for you to make her die fast and painlessly would you do it? and if you wanted that is it right for the government go to congress to meddle and tell you No you can't do that.
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Yes this is about government meddling, she was married to him, did she get a divorce from him?, I'm not sure I don't remember the whole case in detail but if she was still married to him it meant that she trusted him and yes that means with her life.
If you don't mind answering a question, I don't know you but if your mother was dying in pain and there was a way for you to make her die fast and painlessly would you do it? and if you wanted that is it right for the government go to congress to meddle and tell you No you can't do that.
No because pain is an act of fighting for life
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No because pain is an act of fighting for life
I guess everyone sees things differently then when they have to actually go through.
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Jbeige, Terri Schiavo was not in pain. She was mentally disabled and could not feed herself without that tube. Otherwise, she was healthy. Furthermore, there was nothing in writing stating she wouldn't want to kept alive by "artificial means." It was just the hearsay evidence of her husband, who had shacked up with, and knocked up some other woman. So get your facts straight!
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Jbeige, Terri Schiavo was not in pain. She was mentally disabled and could not feed herself without that tube. Otherwise, she was healthy. Furthermore, there was nothing in writing stating she wouldn't want to kept alive by "artificial means." It was just the hearsay evidence of her husband, who had shacked up with, and knocked up some other woman. So get your facts straight!
Thanks for such a pleasant half response.
You still did not answer the whole question.
It seems like this forum is getting nastier and nastier when people don't conform to the 3000 year ago mentality.
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Thanks for such a pleasant half response.
You still did not answer the whole question.
It seems like this forum is getting nastier and nastier when people don't conform to the 3000 year ago mentality.
You want to know what I would do if my mother was sick and in pain? That would depend on her overall health and her age at the time of the hypothetical illness. Still I would see she was given lots of painkillers. But like I said, Terri Schiavo was not in pain. So your hypothetical question is irrelevant.
Anyway, let me repeat that I like Rick Santorum much better for trying to save poor Terri.
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Thanks for such a pleasant half response.
You still did not answer the whole question.
It seems like this forum is getting nastier and nastier when people don't conform to the 3000 year ago mentality.
Wow, so since we and 50% of americans AND your hero Romney who dont agree with murdering the 'unwanted' must have 3000 year old mentality????
I wonder if the Nazis thought the same thing you think... that those who didn't agree that throwing the unwanted into ovens were just being old-fashion... and they needed to 'get with the times'
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Rick Perry said "My faith requires me to support Israel."
Personally I would like to see my favorite Jew, Jackie Mason, (TheUltimateJew) as vice president.
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Rick Perry said "My faith requires me to support Israel."
Personally I would like to see my favorite Jew, Jackie Mason, (TheUltimateJew) as vice president.
It's only common sense..forget faith. You have a tiny country surrounded by enemies and in 60 years they are a powerhouse technologically. Israel is a nation that chooses life...and yet, her neighbors are destructive and choose death..If I were an alien from another planet, I would know that if a leader of a country was going against a country that chose life, then that leader would be evil and terrible.
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Thanks for such a pleasant half response.
You still did not answer the whole question.
It seems like this forum is getting nastier and nastier when people don't conform to the 3000 year ago mentality.
3000 year ago mentality? What would that be?
Are you referring to Judaism or a "Jewish mentality," Johnson Beige?
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/1389786374001/billionaire-backing-rick-santorum/?playlist_id=87937
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Wow, so since we and 50% of americans AND your hero Romney who dont agree with murdering the 'unwanted' must have 3000 year old mentality????
I wonder if the Nazis thought the same thing you think... that those who didn't agree that throwing the unwanted into ovens were just being old-fashion... and they needed to 'get with the times'
I think the Nazis actually were the ones who wanted to go back in time, to a more primal, animal level where the strong killed the weak. I think they saw that as the basis for a strong nation, rather than the modern ideas of protecting all members of society. So for jbeige to claim that killing sick people or fetuses is a modern mentality and wanting to save them is old-fashioned, I think he has it backwards. The more modern and civilized state of mind is one wherein we value all members of society.
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Santorum is another fake phony fraud just like that piece of garbage Palin they talk great on Israel now as candidates but once elected Oh we need to have a Palestinian state only a two state solution is the answer BS
Oh and they wont dare say Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.They are shitheads mark my words.
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Santorum is another fake phony fraud just like that piece of garbage Palin they talk great on Israel now as candidates but once elected Oh we need to have a Palestinian state only a two state solution is the answer BS
Oh and they wont dare say Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.They are shitheads mark my words.
You make a good point. We wanted to believe Palin 4 years ago that she really was pro-Israel and she's turned out to be a lot more liberal than she once appeared to be on other issues as well. I think we all know we can't really trust any of these candidates.
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Why is Johnson Brown allowed to remain posting on this forum?
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Why is Johnson Brown allowed to remain posting on this forum?
Strange, he/she/it joined in 2006, and only posted 6 times, first about Sarah Palin, and now about Santorum.
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Why is Johnson Brown allowed to remain posting on this forum?
How are you so sure he is?
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How are you so sure he is?
btw, I didnt know Johnson Brown too well.... who is he/she/it?
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Gingrich is a master debater, he has already proved he can rape Obama in the presidential debate. On the other hand, Santorum doesn't know how to convince and the moment he opens his mouth about abortion he loses half the women and many independents. So we need to back Gingrich.
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btw, I didnt know Johnson Brown too well.... who is he/she/it?
Fanatical support for Romney
Extreme anti-black attitude
Anti-Semitic sentiment (seen in some of his Herman Cain posts)
Initials "JB" (and beige is a light shade of brown)
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Fanatical support for Romney
Extreme anti-black attitude
Anti-Semitic sentiment (seen in some of his Herman Cain posts)
Initials "JB" (and beige is a light shade of brown)
Ohhh, JB stands for Johnson Brown, I thought he said he was a secular jew.
He is definetely a romneybot.