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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ari on June 22, 2007, 12:55:14 AM
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
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This world is like a dream compared to the next world. The physical life is like a corridor that prepares you for the banquet hall which is the next world as the Rabbis say in Avot. No one knows exactly what it is like since it is a different plane of existence than this world. Basically you attain a very intense closeness to G-d and take pleasure in his glory and this is more pleasurable than anything in this world. If you really want to get a taste of the next world than do a big Mitzvah/good deed with happiness and you might merit to have G-d's spirit rest on you for a short time and this is what the next world feels like amplified a few thousand times.
This is heaven. Hell is the opposite.
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There's a brief answer on this link: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/handbook/s_faq.htmlk:
There is also a DVD by a Jewish schollar claiming proof of afterlife. I think it was advertised on aish.com and the israel national radio homepage.
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
Firstly, it is Rambam, or Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon, aka Maimonides.
Secondly, I don't believe in afterlife of a dead person. Isn't it oxymoronic enough?
Afterlife is not a life, but what comes after it, that is death, which is an end.
Now, if a person by himself ceases to exist in any world upon his death, a memory of him may live in other living people’s souls. That is the true afterlife.
Good and right deeds will ensure your afterlife in people's hearts. You thus will live in them, but you won’t witness that.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA
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The story about judgement scares me. The Satan who is G_d's prosecutor reads out all the various charges or sins while you watch a replay of them....all of them...every sin! Imagine the killer embarressment of that! In my case, the sin scroll will weigh 5 tonnes and when opened will hit the floor and roll along the ground for about 200 miles! >:( :( :o :'(
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The story about judgement scares me. The Satan who is G_d's prosecutor reads out all the various charges or sins while you watch a replay of them....all of them...every sin! Imagine the killer embarressment of that! In my case, the sin scroll will weigh 5 tonnes and when opened will hit the floor and roll along the ground for about 200 miles! >:( :( :o :'(
Make sure you hire a good lawyer.
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where are you going to find a LAWYER in heaven?????????? :laugh:
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The Jewish lawyers continue to make money even after they die. ;D ;D ;D
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I dont remember the words but here are some I think. "Melachim yoshvim ve lomdim, veaterotehem barosheihem" kings sitting and learning with crowns on their heads. Some take this literally and say it is physical. I think Rashi says this, and also Ramban might.They say that it is possible to lose them one by one. Rambam says it is metaphorical. Jdl4ever please correct whatever I said wrong, there is probably alot wrong here. I dont remember the original words but it is similar to above.
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I hope there are no procedural problems, because sure as [censored] there won't be any ACLU people up there. :laugh: :laugh:
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
Firstly, it is Rambam, or Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon, aka Maimonides.
Secondly, I don't believe in afterlife of a dead person. Isn't it oxymoronic enough?
Afterlife is not a life, but what comes after it, that is death, which is an end.
Now, if a person by himself ceases to exist in any world upon his death, a memory of him may live in other living people’s souls. That is the true afterlife.
Good and right deeds will ensure your afterlife in people's hearts. You thus will live in them, but you won’t witness that.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA
That's a horrible thing to say.
That is horrible. If that is the case, Hitler has a lovely afterlife being worshipped by neo nazi boeheads the world over. It also means arafat and a fallen IDF hero share the same fate. We might as well forget Torah and just suck up to young people. >:(
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For a few hours after you die, you can still HEAR and SEE!
You just cannot FEEL anything.
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For a few hours after you die, you can still HEAR and SEE!
You just cannot FEEL anything.
What a bummer! I'll hear them all talking about what a b_stard I was and won't be able to answer back. Probably fitting for people who always want to get the last word. :laugh:
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For a few hours after you die, you can still HEAR and SEE!
You just cannot FEEL anything.
What a bummer! I'll hear them all talking about what a b_stard I was and won't be able to answer back. Probably fitting for people who always want to get the last word. :laugh:
You can do the same to your enemies.
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For a few hours after you die, you can still HEAR and SEE!
You just cannot FEEL anything.
What a bummer! I'll hear them all talking about what a b_stard I was and won't be able to answer back. Probably fitting for people who always want to get the last word. :laugh:
You can do the same to your enemies.
I'd prefurr to pig out on peperoni pizza and chilli with a good fibre supplement and leave a deposit on their grave.
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For a few hours after you die, you can still HEAR and SEE!
You just cannot FEEL anything.
What a bummer! I'll hear them all talking about what a b_stard I was and won't be able to answer back. Probably fitting for people who always want to get the last word. :laugh:
You can do the same to your enemies.
I'd prefurr to pig out on peperoni pizza and chilli with a good fibre supplement and leave a deposit on their grave.
Then you look stupid! Why not leave them with a message?
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What is your own faith, Scriabin?
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You are agnostic?
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What is your own faith, Scriabin?
Born into Catholicism.
Agnostic for much of my life.
Attempting to be a Noahide since finding JTF.
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What is your own faith, Scriabin?
Born into Catholicism.
Agnostic for much of my life.
Attempting to be a Noahide since finding JTF.
Same as me. Truly superior minds certainly think alike. ;)
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It is great that JTF inspires Gentiles to become Noahides.
They are all following in the ways of Jimmy who was inspired by Chaim and The Rav.
Yes, indeed. :)
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I was a noachide just before I found JTF....but what the hey. Torah is for everyone! ;D
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Zvulun's comment was something that is heretical in Torah Judaism.
Really? How so?
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
Firstly, it is Rambam, or Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon, aka Maimonides.
Secondly, I don't believe in afterlife of a dead person. Isn't it oxymoronic enough?
Afterlife is not a life, but what comes after it, that is death, which is an end.
Now, if a person by himself ceases to exist in any world upon his death, a memory of him may live in other living people’s souls. That is the true afterlife.
Good and right deeds will ensure your afterlife in people's hearts. You thus will live in them, but you won’t witness that.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA
That's a horrible thing to say.
That is horrible. If that is the case, Hitler has a lovely afterlife being worshipped by neo nazi boeheads the world over. It also means arafat and a fallen IDF hero share the same fate. We might as well forget Torah and just suck up to young people. >:(
I don't know why you say that!
Hitler died like a dog. He had to be killed earlier. I dont care how many times he burns in hell now. His actual life had to be turned into hell.
Arafat died of AIDS. How can you compare this rat's fate with one of a fallen IDF soldier? Apples and oranges!
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
Firstly, it is Rambam, or Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon, aka Maimonides.
Secondly, I don't believe in afterlife of a dead person. Isn't it oxymoronic enough?
Afterlife is not a life, but what comes after it, that is death, which is an end.
Now, if a person by himself ceases to exist in any world upon his death, a memory of him may live in other living people’s souls. That is the true afterlife.
Good and right deeds will ensure your afterlife in people's hearts. You thus will live in them, but you won’t witness that.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA
That's a horrible thing to say.
That is horrible. If that is the case, Hitler has a lovely afterlife being worshipped by neo nazi boeheads the world over. It also means arafat and a fallen IDF hero share the same fate. We might as well forget Torah and just suck up to young people. >:(
I don't know why you say that!
Hitler died like a dog. He had to be killed earlier. I dont care how many times he burns in hell now. His actual life had to be turned into hell.
Arafat died of AIDS. How can you compare this rat's fate with one of a fallen IDF soldier? Apples and oranges!
I said it to illustrate to silliness of your previous post. If the afterlife consisted only of being remembered by the living, then both evil people fondly remembered by their followers would have the same fate as good people fondly remembered by theirs. Didn't you see the point?
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Now i know what i am going to say is unpopular (especially for members on this forum) but i don't believe there is anything when you die just darkness.... there are people who make such claims that good people in life will be treated well in the afterlife... i believe that we should do the right thing for this world anyway NOT FOR OUR OWN ENDS BUT TO MAKE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN.....
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
Firstly, it is Rambam, or Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon, aka Maimonides.
Secondly, I don't believe in afterlife of a dead person. Isn't it oxymoronic enough?
Afterlife is not a life, but what comes after it, that is death, which is an end.
Now, if a person by himself ceases to exist in any world upon his death, a memory of him may live in other living people’s souls. That is the true afterlife.
Good and right deeds will ensure your afterlife in people's hearts. You thus will live in them, but you won’t witness that.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA
That's a horrible thing to say.
That is horrible. If that is the case, Hitler has a lovely afterlife being worshipped by neo nazi boeheads the world over. It also means arafat and a fallen IDF hero share the same fate. We might as well forget Torah and just suck up to young people. >:(
I don't know why you say that!
Hitler died like a dog. He had to be killed earlier. I dont care how many times he burns in hell now. His actual life had to be turned into hell.
Arafat died of AIDS. How can you compare this rat's fate with one of a fallen IDF soldier? Apples and oranges!
I said it to illustrate to silliness of your previous post. If the afterlife consisted only of being remembered by the living, then both evil people fondly remembered by their followers would have the same fate as good people fondly remembered by theirs. Didn't you see the point?
1) I see the point. And it is indeed silly! This is called a wishful thinking.
2) Fate applies to the life in this world, and not in any other world.
3) Evil people must be punished here on Earth. That’s why you have courts. Or maybe you think we should not punish them hoping that G-d will “take care of them”?
4) Now, memory is a memory, and not afterlife. You can’t force people to remember certain people in one way or another.
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where are you going to find a LAWYER in heaven?????????? :laugh:
There are lawyers in heaven. The angels are the lawyers.
Every time you do a mitzvah, you get another defense attorney-angel. Every time you sin you get another prosecuting attorney-angel.
So start building up that winning defense team now ;).
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Just was saddened to learn a friend of the family died. Not that I needed another reminder because I think about questions like this quite frequently, but I was wondering what forum members think happens to your soul when you die? I asked Chaim a related question on the last Ask JTF and he pointed out that the Ram Bam stated while there is definitely an afterlife, nobody knows for sure what it entails. Any realistic theories? At least it is a comfort to know that their is another world to come, surely much more just than the mess we currently find ourselves in at times. Later.
Ari
I figure what makes sense is that everyone goes to hell first and serve their time. In live we all knowingly and unknowingly sin against each other and against Gd. It depends on the type of sin and how sorry we are and show it in life that lessens the severity of hell. Of course the more sinful and evil someone is in life..and depending on the sin, that is given Gd's justice and judgement the time one shoudl stay in hell and do their time
AFter every soul does its time, whethr it is one year or billions of years, it gets elevated into Heaven.
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where are you going to find a LAWYER in heaven?????????? :laugh:
There are lawyers in heaven. The angels are the lawyers.
Every time you do a mitzvah, you get another defense attorney-angel. Every time you sin you get another prosecuting attorney-angel.
So start building up that winning defense team now ;).
my defense team if hopelessly outnumbered already. I'm screwed :'(
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Does the Torah state the status of someone in a grave? Are you questioned in your grave and even receive punishments, at all?
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The though of dying scares me, but everyone does. I know there is a olam haba. This world is to complex to be created by evolution. So I know there is a G-d in heaven.
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The though of dying scares me, but everyone does. I know there is a olam haba. This world is to complex to be created by evolution. So I know there is a G-d in heaven.
But couldn't the theory evolution simply be how the universe was created...Evolution does not go against Torah and we all know righteousness wins over all things...
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The though of dying scares me, but everyone does. I know there is a olam haba. This world is to complex to be created by evolution. So I know there is a G-d in heaven.
But couldn't the theory evolution simply be how the universe was created...Evolution does not go against Torah and we all know righteousness wins over all things...
Yes but the confusion is that some speak of evolution to be a self causation not a method by which God could have created this world.
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Atheism is Blasphemy and I wouldn't want to know where those people are going on their Next Stop !
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Some posts inspiring, others depressing, but I believe.
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Does the Torah state the status of someone in a grave? Are you questioned in your grave and even receive punishments, at all?
It does say that the body decomposes from the incects because the person got pleasure from the wrong things, whereas truly rightesous ppl.s' bodies don't decompose for the same reason. It is well known that when they had to dig up the Vilna Gaon's grave he was perfectly intact! But the main parts of the soul leave the body and the experiences there are on the spiritual plane, not the physical one.
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Seminar - December 08, 2005 - Life After Death