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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zelhar on February 26, 2012, 06:35:27 PM
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I am looking for a linux distribution that fits as many of the following specifications:
0. alive and up to date, supports new hardware etc.
1. samba share that works (as a host too) and easy to configure.
2. good web documentations and support.
3. easy to install third party packages.
4. Not Ubuntu
any suggestions ?
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Cent OS? Its based on RedHat Enterprise.
Fedora?
SuSe?
Windows 7.
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Windows
I will look into this. I was thinking Arch or Sabayon.
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You know what forget it, I've found the PERFECT linux edition:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Available-Now-AntiX-MEPIS-8-0-Intifada-104588.shtml
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You know what forget it, I've found the PERFECT linux edition:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Available-Now-AntiX-MEPIS-8-0-Intifada-104588.shtml
Intifada?
Of course you're kidding.
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I also support Red Hat Enterprise 5 and Centos... They are decent and I have had no problem with Samba support with them.
We run our hardware emulation system off of RHEL systems at work. I also support our debugger and probe applications on Centos and Debian systems.
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Well I am giving openSUSE a try. samba seems to be working now but it took a lot of web search and "expert" configurations to get it to work. Then getting the shared windows printer to work takes some effort too. Kubuntu sort of do all this things much more seamlessly, but then again, it didn't work properly.
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You do know that samba has nothing to do with Linux right? you can use the same samba config for any linux.
what problems are you having?
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You do know that samba has nothing to do with Linux right? you can use the same samba config for any linux.
what problems are you having?
You can use it if you know how to set all the text files manually and then maybe also how to run some daemons or scripts. But different distro have different gui tools to set samba and also in openSUSE for example certain services must be manually turned on, firewall must be set to unblock the connection etc. It's a different procedure then what I used to from Kubuntu.
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GUI?? Hock-Phoo!
No need. There's only a few lines you need to change in the default config to get it to work in a local environment.
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GUI?? Hock-Phoo!
No need. There's only a few lines you need to change in the default config to get it to work in a local environment.
I wish I possessed you level of computer geekiness.
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Do I look like a geek to you?
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GUI?? Hock-Phoo!
No need. There's only a few lines you need to change in the default config to get it to work in a local environment.
There is a good amount of difficulty getting Samba working on a variety of distros. There is not a one config file fits all option. Even with such system servers as autofs/automount and NIS/ypbind there are differences which can be confusing evfen to a seasoned system admin.
We use SAMBA extensively here due to the fact that every engineer has one linux machine and one windows machine and the windows machines must access the hard-drive on the linux machine {where the source code is built}... Samba is excellent for this... But we have found differences in configuring it,
There are a few good GUI front ends for configuring Samba but I cannot recall the name at this time.
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Does anyone else here try new distros out in Virtual Machines?
I find this to be very interesting {and I am writing this post from a Centos 6 distro installed in a Virtual Machine on my Ubuntu 8.04 machine at work}. I have several Linux and some Windows virtual machines which I use when I have to port my applications to various operating systems {as I said I support Ubuntu 8.04, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 5, Centos 6, and RedHat Enterprise 5, Windows XP & Windows 7}.
Using VirtualBox {a free virtual machine software} from Oracle it is possible to simultaneously run multiple OS's on a host system {running either linux or windows}.
I think Virtual Machines are AWESOME!
https://www.virtualbox.org/
https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch01.html
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Yes I use virtualbox to try different OS, and also for practical reasons- sometimes I need to use window apps like IE and I don't want to boot into windows. But as of the last two or so versions of Ubuntu virtualbox wasn't working properly- the guest OS often freezes and the virtualbox service itself hangs. I hope it would function properly on opernSUSE.
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Yes I use virtualbox to try different OS, and also for practical reasons- sometimes I need to use window apps like IE and I don't want to boot into windows. But as of the last two or so versions of Ubuntu virtualbox wasn't working properly- the guest OS often freezes and the virtualbox service itself hangs. I hope it would function properly on opernSUSE.
Strange. I have had no problems with VBox in Ubuntu 8.04 nor Ubuntu 10.04 on both my home and work systems. I can even run Windows Games on my Quadcore Ubuntu 10.04 home system..
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There is a good amount of difficulty getting Samba working on a variety of distros. There is not a one config file fits all option. Even with such system servers as autofs/automount and NIS/ypbind there are differences which can be confusing evfen to a seasoned system admin.
We use SAMBA extensively here due to the fact that every engineer has one linux machine and one windows machine and the windows machines must access the hard-drive on the linux machine {where the source code is built}... Samba is excellent for this... But we have found differences in configuring it,
There are a few good GUI front ends for configuring Samba but I cannot recall the name at this time.
Uh, you're going deep here.
Don't scare him. He's not trying to manage a mixed environment of 800 machines.
He's talking about two or so computers.
He can take the default config and just change a few lines her and there. Add a user and map it from a remote machine on his LAN.
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There is a good amount of difficulty getting Samba working on a variety of distros. There is not a one config file fits all option. Even with such system servers as autofs/automount and NIS/ypbind there are differences which can be confusing evfen to a seasoned system admin.
We use SAMBA extensively here due to the fact that every engineer has one linux machine and one windows machine and the windows machines must access the hard-drive on the linux machine {where the source code is built}... Samba is excellent for this... But we have found differences in configuring it,
There are a few good GUI front ends for configuring Samba but I cannot recall the name at this time.
S.W.A.T.??
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Yes I use virtualbox to try different OS, and also for practical reasons- sometimes I need to use window apps like IE and I don't want to boot into windows. But as of the last two or so versions of Ubuntu virtualbox wasn't working properly- the guest OS often freezes and the virtualbox service itself hangs. I hope it would function properly on opernSUSE.
I agree, virtualbox is good for beginners.
I also use it because its easy....and it doesn't cost $20/year like VMWare.
I notice that for desktop virtualisation, vbox runs very well on .... windoze.
For Linux, I recommend running headless. So, after you have your guest running the way you like. Shut it down and run it headless. Configure the display to allow RDC (remote desktop) and choose a port like 5001 for your first VM 5002 for your next...Don't use the default unless you only have one machine.
vboxmanage startvm ubuntu10 --type headless
Then to power it down:
vboxmanage controlvm ubuntu10 acpipowerbutton
For stability, you can try VMWare Hypervisor bare metal. But you can look into that later.
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Thanks I will look into this headless thing.
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Thanks I will look into this headless thing.
Allah huakbar
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Mandrivas a very functional distro.
I prefer mint myself. It uses ubuntu packages but it not ubuntu or a direct derivative off.
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Oy Vey!
Today I have been working with several virtual machines. Currently installing an Ubuntu 10.04 guest OS on a Windows 7 host VBox and simultaneously installing Centos 5.4 guest OS on my Ubuntu 8.04 host VBox...
I have a peculiar problem supporting one of our users. I learned on Monday that they want to run my application on Centos but they didn't tell me a version. I assumed they were using the latest version of Centos {version 6} and I ported my application to build and generate a Centos 6 RPM file... But then I get an email today saying that they are running Centos 5.4 which probrobly means my application wont run on it because when you build an app on a system it becomes dependant on which versions of libraries are installed {thus older executables will not run on newer OSes without compatibility libraries}. So too newer apps will not run on older OSes because they don't have the newer libraries.
So I have suggested to the user to install Ubuntu in a VM on Windows and install my application in it... In the meantime I am also testing if my Centos 6 RPM will install on the Centos 5.4 system. It is also a problem that Centos 5.4 is no longer supported with updates from the developers thus I am stuck with having to build libraries from sourcecode {which I am quite familiar with doing} which is a bit of a pain in the arctic...
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I am surprised I haven't read a word mentioned yet of BSD. angreeChineseKhanist is certainly geek enough and asian enough to use it.
I would have tried it myself except it doesn't work well with vbox and harder to install on a multiboot machine.
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ACK,
I wish you would have mentioned that in order to make headless work you must install the VBOX extension pack {which I had not installed until just now}... I have been messing with trying to get headless working on my set-up here and then I discovered that headless only works if the extension pack is installed...
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I am surprised I haven't read a word mentioned yet of BSD. angreeChineseKhanist is certainly geek enough and asian enough to use it.
I would have tried it myself except it doesn't work well with vbox and harder to install on a multiboot machine.
I have never tried BSD and don't really expect to need to use it...
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ACK,
I wish you would have mentioned that in order to make headless work you must install the VBOX extension pack {which I had not installed until just now}... I have been messing with trying to get headless working on my set-up here and then I discovered that headless only works if the extension pack is installed...
Allah akbar.
In order to get allah akbar to work and in order to get proper use of usb, in order for you to efficiently RDP to your VM, in order to integrate your mouse and keyboard to the vm....you need the extension pack.
There.
What VM software you use??
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I have never tried BSD and don't really expect to need to use it...
I have a bunch of virtualised routers that are BSD OSes.
For home, I use monowall. Once you install the BSD based firewall, you can configure the LAN then run it headless. Now you can configure the rest on another computer on you LAN.
For work, I would not recommend it.
The Linux closest to BSD is Slackware.
Most of the /etc file structure is the same. In fact X works the same way.
Isn't MacOS based on BSD?
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I am surprised I haven't read a word mentioned yet of BSD. angreeChineseKhanist is certainly geek enough and asian enough to use it.
I would have tried it myself except it doesn't work well with vbox and harder to install on a multiboot machine.
What problems are you having?
BTW did I mention that virtualbox runs best on...windoze?
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I have a bunch of virtualised routers that are BSD OSes.
For home, I use monowall. Once you install the BSD based firewall, you can configure the LAN then run it headless. Now you can configure the rest on another computer on you LAN.
For work, I would not recommend it.
The Linux closest to BSD is Slackware.
Most of the /etc file structure is the same. In fact X works the same way.
Isn't MacOS based on BSD?
Yes I have heard that MacOS is based on BSD...
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Allah akbar.
In order to get allah akbar to work and in order to get proper use of usb, in order for you to efficiently RDP to your VM, in order to integrate your mouse and keyboard to the vm....you need the extension pack.
There.
What VM software you use??
I said I prefer VirtualBox... I started with VMware years ago and eventually became dissatisfied with it and found VBox... So far I have absolutely zero complaints with VBox.
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What problems are you having?
BTW did I mention that virtualbox runs best on...windoze?
Why do you say that VBox runs best on Windows. I primarily run it on my Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu 10.04 systems {at work and at home} and I support many OSes including {Debian 5, Debian 6, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7, Ubuntu 8.04 guest, Ubuntu 10.04 guest}. I use the VMs to create disk images I use to install Linux using cloning tools.
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Why do you say that VBox runs best on Windows. I primarily run it on my Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu 10.04 systems {at work and at home} and I support many OSes including {Debian 5, Debian 6, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7, Ubuntu 8.04 guest, Ubuntu 10.04 guest}. I use the VMs to create disk images I use to install Linux using cloning tools.
I haven't had any problems running vbox on win7 64bit even though i hate windoze.
vbox guys have to only worry about two things developing for windows: 32bit or 64bit.
With linux.......first, which kernel?
Then, are there any conflicts with the many different libraries.
They have just a few pre-built binaries for different linuxes.
For the rest of the distros, you'll have to roll the dice with the generic one. Or you can roll your own from source.
I've had problems where there was no way to install linux with kernel 2.6.x on virtualbox 4 on i3/i5/i7 machines. The CD would simply kernel panic after boot. If I install it on a different machine and transport it to the i3/i5/i7 machine, it will kernel panic. I finally got it to boot by downloading kernel 3+ and compile it a million times with different configs.
Will you tell a beginner to download the vbox source and compile it then roll your own kernel many times and hope that it will work?
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What problems are you having?
BTW did I mention that virtualbox runs best on...windoze?
BSD guest on vbox doesn't have guest additions, so sound doesn't work, high resoloution doesn't work either.
Solaris obviously does support guest edition but I don't like to have to register just to download it and it's not bsd anyway.
Actually I did use bsd once, as freenas file server. But I tried to install it once in a partition and I think I ended up
destroying the partitioning altogether. It sucks that BSD is greedy and demands primary partition, even winbloat gave up on this demand.
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BSD guest on vbox doesn't have guest additions, so sound doesn't work, high resoloution doesn't work either.
Solaris obviously does support guest edition but I don't like to have to register just to download it and it's not bsd anyway.
Actually I did use bsd once, as freenas file server. But I tried to install it once in a partition and I think I ended up
destroying the partitioning altogether. It sucks that BSD is greedy and demands primary partition, even winbloat gave up on this demand.
I just looked and I am sorry they don't make a BSD version.
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So far, even though it's less then a week, openSUSE seems to be much more stable and friendly to my hardware. Several pesky bugs that plagued my Ubuntu seem to be gone:
1. wireless keyboard and mouse function properly.
2. no system freezes so far due to multi-tasking while writing large data on the hard drive.
3. system start up reasonably fast and especially shuts down way faster then Ubuntu.
4. screen turn off when set idle time lapses as it should be, Ubuntu too often failed to turn off the screen.
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So far, even though it's less then a week, openSUSE seems to be much more stable and friendly to my hardware. Several pesky bugs that plagued my Ubuntu seem to be gone:
1. wireless keyboard and mouse function properly.
2. no system freezes so far due to multi-tasking while writing large data on the hard drive.
3. system start up reasonably fast and especially shuts down way faster then Ubuntu.
4. screen turn off when set idle time lapses as it should be, Ubuntu too often failed to turn off the screen.
That's wonderful.