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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Israel Chai on February 28, 2012, 11:02:39 PM
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Didn't the world end in 1984 and in 1994, 2000, and last year?
Look, America ended in 2008.
It may be buried in 2012.
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I'll take a stab at this one...
First it must be explained that Judaism doesn't set a date when the Moshiach will come. The sages, and in Daniel, it is said that the actual time cannot be known. Second, there is a concept of a 6000 year calendar which correspond to 6 1000 year periods {corresponding to the six days of creation} and the Messianic age will occur for the 1000 years between year 6000 and year 7000.... We are currently in the year 5772 which leaves 228 years before this deadline is reached.
We also believe that we are in the final hours {of day 6} before Shabbat {Redemption}...
Here is mention of this idea:
http://www.mashiach.org/living/Bereshit/bereshit.html
READY FOR SHABBOS
Breishis 2:3.
Sources:
Ramban. Sefer HaSichos 5750:254. Birchas Hamazon
In writing about Shabbos, the Torah says (and we include in our Kiddush on Friday night), "And Hashem blessed the 7th Day and made it holy, for on it He rested from all His work which He created to make."
The words, "to make," seem to be extra. Why are they written?
One of the reasons is that the 7 days of creation correspond to the history of the world. When Hashem created the world in the beginning,
He also "made" all of history.
Each day of creation represents 1000 years, and the 6 days of creation match the 6000 years the world will exist in its present form.
The 7th day, Shabbos, corresponds to the period after the year 6000, when the world will become fully and eternally holy.
The period from the year 5000 to 6000 corresponds to Friday, and after the year 5750, to Friday afternoon.
At that time we make intense preparations for Shabbos, and some of the laws of Shabbos already apply. Since we are in the Erev Shabbos
("Friday afternoon") before the Days of Moshiach, we must be sure to prepare ourselves for the Geulah -- which will be "All Shabbos and rest for eternal life."
And this:
http://www.moshiach.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=65
Date of Moshiach's Coming
When will Moshiach come? Is there a set date or does it depend of our behavior?
The actual date of the Messianic redemption is a guarded mystery unknown to man.69 It will happen “in its time” (Isaiah 60:22), predetermined from the beginning of creation. This ultimate ketz (time for the ‘end’) is unconditional: it does not depend on Israel’s merit, as it is said, “For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it..” (Isaiah 48:11); “I wrought for My Name’s sake that it should not be profaned in the eyes of the nations.” (Ezekiel 20:9)70
Even so, the wording of Isaiah 60:22 seems to display a contradiction by stating “in its time I will hasten it”: “in its time” means a set date; “I will hasten it” means that it may occur earlier, before “its time.” The contradiction is resolved as follows: “If they are worthy — ‘I will hasten it;’ if not — ‘in its time.’ ”71
The implication is clear: Moshiach can come any day, even before the predetermined date: “This day — if you will listen to His voice!” (Psalms 95:7)72 Every generation has a special ketz of its own, for, as stated, Moshiach is alive and present in every generation, albeit concealed.73 He is ready to be revealed at a moment’s notice.74 In the course of history prior to “its time” there are especially auspicious times when it is easier to effect his coming. To take advantage of these, to hasten the redemption, that depends completely on us.75
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http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/from-exile-to-redemption-2/12.htm
Calculating the Time of the Redemption
May those who calculate the date of the Redemption expire, for they[479] would [then] say: "Since the calculated date[480] has arrived and [Mashiach] has not come, he is not going to come." Rather, wait for him, as it is written,[481] "If he will tarry, wait for him."[482]
Notwithstanding the above, we find that over the generations great scholars among our people did indicate such dates. (See, for example, Iggeres Teiman by Rambam, and the Maamarimof the Alter Rebbe on the Parshiyos, Vol. I, p. 419.)
The above-quoted Gemara is speaking of the kind of calculation that could weaken people's faith in the coming of Mashiach (as in the above phrase, "he is not going to come"). By contrast, the only intention of the later scholars referred to was to fortify and arouse this faith - at historical periods in which our people's dire spiritual poverty demanded extraordinary measures which the Torah otherwise forbade.[483]
The latter attitude may also be perceived from a deeper perspective.
Throughout the entire exile, great tzaddikim are able to see how the avodah which Jews carry out at every day and moment comprises elements of the Redemption within itself and brings it nearer. At the end of every day they are able to discern in what measure the Redemption has become more revealed and the world more elevated. As these increments add up to a state of completeness, they reveal the year in which this growing completeness will be attained - the year of the ketz. Accordingly, between the announcement and the anticipated ketz, the avodah of the interim period must be upgraded to match that complete revelation.
It is thus clear that the observations of these tzaddikim do not involve any prohibition of calculating final dates. On the contrary: They see the great elevation that has been attained up to a certain point, and are therefore obliged to make this known in order to rouse people to upgrade their avodah.
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You may find this interesting considering we are nearing Purim time...
http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/parsha/orchards/archives/bereshis60.htm
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Still gathering in information in understanding Tosefos' "Memuchan is Daniel" we go back to the Gemorah Megillah which discusses the predicted 70 years of the Babylonian exile. King Belshattsar assumed the count began with the reign of his grandfather Nebuchadnetsar who destroyed the first holy Temple. On the 70th year anniversary of grandpa’s rise to the throne Belshattsar saw the second Temple was not being rebuilt and he concluded Hashem had abandoned the Jews. He made a feast and brought out the vessels of the Temple. He died.
Achashveirosh knew from the words of the Prophet Jeremiah that Israel would be exiled to Babylon for 70 years. The verse does not hang redemption on the Babylonian king but on the Jews being in Babylon! Belshattsar's mistake was counting from the start of Nebuchadnetsar's reign. The third year of Achashveirosh's reign was 70 years since Nebuchadnetsar first exile of Jews! Now the exile should have come to an end. No Temple? Now Hashem has abandoned the Jews. Achashveirosh made a feast and brought out the vessels of the Temple! Vashti died.
Remarkably, the Gemorah says that Daniel also made the same accountings as the above two kings! But when those dates passed and the redemption hadn't Daniel knew he made the mistake. The times of the redemption are beyond the grasp of anyone since Yaakov. When Yaakov wanted to reveal that information to his sons it was taken from him and it’s been down hill since. The Rambam in the Laws of Kings says that Rebbe Akivah felt Bar Kochbah was the Mashiach and he was wrong. What does that have to do with any law? The Rambam wants us to know that while we wait for the king Mashiach, even the great Rebbe Akivah erred in the time of the redemption. And so Daniel came to conclude his book with a vision of two men, one whom asked the other, when will be the end of time? The other responded in a way Daniel did not understand. Daniel asked Hashem when will be the end? Hashem said, "They are obscured and sealed." [‘They’ (plural) refers to the time in it’s time and the time before it’s time.]
We hear and speak of dates and times that are special and befitting for the final redemption to take place, as Daniel thought of Belshattsar's and Achashveirosh's dates. But for the redemption to happen, we have to merit it. Daniel knew by these two landmark times for redemption having passed that Israel was lacking merit and he sought to bring just that to the scales.
Daniel reflected on Torah and history and understood we merited an early redemption from Egypt because we retained our language, etc. He grabbed the opportunity to have Achashveirosh send out an edict that the language of the husband should be spoken in the house. There is a halachic discussion in the Gemorah Megillah as to the fulfillment of the obligation to hear the Megillah on Purim. It must be heard in Hebrew. But in Aramaic is ok, too! Where is that from? From the Aramaic in the Megillah!! Where is that? In the words of the edict, “All the wives shall show respect to their husbands”!!! The word for ‘respect’- yakar- is Aramaic
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So I talked with the guy at www.prophetofdoom.com/ www.yadayahweh.com (which he thinks is pronounced yah-ou-wah ?) and he thinks because of a passage in psalms (that now evades me) describing shoah, and then says this will be the last generation (100 years) meaning 2033. Assemble, Judaism experts, and tell me if this is when shiloh comes through.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
It could be... But we don't know... Unless you know for sure that is not the time...
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I actually like Craig Winn
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Perhaps you felt so much hopelessness and now thinking, "when will he be here already".
This is a bad attitude. Rather it is better to pray, work, get married, and have children to occupy that space is hopelessness.
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“The Sages and prophets did not yearn for the Messianic Era in order
that [the Jews] rule over the entire world, nor in order that they have
dominion over the gentiles, nor that they be exalted through them, nor in
order that they eat, drink and celebrate. Rather, their aspiration was that
[the Jews] be free to involve themselves in Torah and its wisdom,
without anyone to oppress or disturb them, and thus be found worthy of
life in the World to Come”. (Rambam Mishne Torah, Laws of Kings)
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I think it's a good thing that we don't know exactly how to pronounce God's name these days because it helps keep people from using it blasphemously or frivolously.
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I'll take a stab at this one...
Thats what oj simpson said.
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Thats what oj simpson said.
That was harsh. XD
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“The Sages and prophets did not yearn for the Messianic Era in order
that [the Jews] rule over the entire world, nor in order that they have
dominion over the gentiles, nor that they be exalted through them, nor in
order that they eat, drink and celebrate. Rather, their aspiration was that
[the Jews] be free to involve themselves in Torah and its wisdom,
without anyone to oppress or disturb them, and thus be found worthy of
life in the World to Come”. (Rambam Mishne Torah, Laws of Kings)
I semi agree Tag. If everyone followed the 613 laws wouldn't the animal kingdom become unbalanced? There would be more pigs then muzzy pigs. On the other hand I think following as many of the laws as possbile can only lead to good.
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Clever, but the canines and felines would compensate. Left to its own devices, I'm pretty sure the animal kingdom is virtually perfect. If a tiger mauls a gazelle, is was supposed to happen in that way at that time in order for the system to continue to survive. There is practically no choice. Free-will is the developemnt, and if we don't choose to create a g-dly instinct, all our choices thereafter are very doomed.
how would you stop the increased numbers of felines and canines from making an easy target out of your herd?
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With great power, great good or great bad happens. When there is a great good, a great bad will attempt to snuflle it. That is good. We want people to choose sides. People used Torah and Kaballah for bad. Would it be better if there wasn't any?
Rhetorical question when you say it out loud, so I re-state: I want to know, and I don't use his potentially erronoeous name in vain.
Jews do not pronounce the name. We say "Adonai' in place of the name when reading it.
We do not know the pronunciation of the name at this time. It is said that some great Rabbis have kept this pronunciation so that when the Temple is rebuilt we can resume the service on Yom Kippur {The only time the name is pronounced}.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/name.htm
The Significance of Names
In Jewish thought, a name is not merely an arbitrary designation, a random combination of sounds. The name conveys the nature and essence of the thing named. It represents the history and reputation of the being named.
This is not as strange or unfamiliar a concept as it may seem at first glance. In English, we often refer to a person's reputation as his "good name". When a company is sold, one thing that may be sold is the company's "good will", that is, the right to use the company's name. The Hebrew concept of a name is very similar to these ideas.
An example of this usage occurs in Exodux 3,13-22: Moses asks G-d what His "name" is. Moses is not asking "what should I call you"; rather, he is asking "who are you; what are you like; what have you done". That is clear from G-d's response. G-d replies that He is eternal, that He is the G-d of our ancestors, that He has seen our affliction and will redeem us from bondage.
Another example of this usage is the concepts of chillul Ha-Shem and kiddush Ha-Shem. An act that causes G-d or Judaism to come into disrespect or a commandment to be disobeyed is often referred to as "chillul Ha-Shem", profanation of The Name. Clearly, we are not talking about a harm done to a word; we are talking about harm to a reputation. Likewise, any deed that increases the respect accorded to G-d or Judaism is referred to as "kiddush Ha-Shem", sanctification of The Name.
Because a name represents the reputation of the thing named, a name should be treated with the same respect as the thing's reputation. For this reason, G-d's Names, in all of their forms, are treated with enormous respect and reverence in Judaism.
The Names of God
The most important of God's Names is the four-letter Name represented by the Hebrew letters Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh (Hashem). It is often referred to as the Ineffable Name, the Unutterable Name or the Distinctive Name. Linguistically, it is related to the Hebrew root Heh-Yod-Heh (to be), and reflects the idea that God's existence is eternal. In scripture, this Name is used when discussing God's relation with human beings, and when emphasizing his qualities of lovingkindness and mercy. It is frequently shortened to Yah (Yod-Heh), Yahu or Yeho (Yod-Heh-Vav), especially when used in combination with names or phrases, as in Yehoshua (Joshua, meaning the LORD is Salvation), Eliyahu (Elijah, meaning my God is the LORD), and Halleluyah (praise the LORD).
The first Name used for God in scripture is Elohim. In form, the word is a masculine plural. The same word (or, according to Maimonides, a homonym of it) is used to refer to princes, judges, other gods, and other powerful beings. This Name is used in scripture when emphasizing God's might, His creative power, and his attributes of justice and rulership. Variations on this name include El, Eloah, Elohai (my God), and Eloheynu (our God).
God is also known as El Shaddai. This Name is usually translated as "God Almighty", however, the derivation of the word "Shaddai" is not known. According to some views, it is derived from the root meaning to heap benefits. According to a Midrash, it means, "The One who said 'dai'" ("dai" meaning enough or sufficient) and comes from the idea that when God created the universe, it expanded until He said "DAI!" (perhaps the first recorded theory of an expanding universe?). The name Shaddai is the one written on the mezuzah scroll. Some note that Shaddai is an acronym of Shomer Daltot Yisrael, Guardian of the Doors of Israel.
Another significant Name of God is Hashem Tzva'ot. This Name is normally translated as LORD of Hosts. The word "tzva'ot" means hosts in the sense of a military grouping or an organized array. The Name refers to God's leadership and sovereignty. Interestingly, this Name is rarely used in scripture. It never appears in the Torah (i.e., the first five books). It appears primarily in the prophe
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Perdators fight amongst themselves until balence. Regardless, an overpopulation of pigs would decimate the grubs and even themselves out. In nature, pigs are boars anyhow, they aren't herds of domesticated beasts, so there would be less if they were not raised.
I agree with you about the balance of nature. Still there are creatures on earth that can decimate an environment. Wild boars for example can survive on about anything And while burrowing for food they will tear up your crops and soil. Lions, wolves, and coyotes would much rather go after calves, sheep, chickens that are in captivity. Opposed to wasting energy on a wild boar.
PS What is your religion and why are you so insistent on knowing the name of Hashem?
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Hashem says to call on his name specifically in times of need. I do it in my head, to be safe. What gives any rabbi the need to withhold it? Let fools use it in vain and die, I use it to pray that others might live. I'll blow up the new abomination of our desolaton myself if that's what it takes, but I want to know, everything I learn of g-d makes me love him that much more. If others copy that, then it's his name that is the first step towards shiloh.
Why do you have to say I can't?? Now I must find out, with or without you.
Are you pure? Have you purified yourself according to Halacha? If you have come in contact with dead humans or animals you may require being cleansed {which is not possible today}. Actually we all are impure at this time.
Do you have complete mastery of your emotions? Do you have impure thoughts? {We all do}... Because of these things it is a good thing that we do not know the pronunciation of the name. I don't trust anyone who has not gone through ritual purification...
http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5759/terumah.html
http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5767/chayeisarah.html
http://www. torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Meir_Gavriel_Elbaz/2011-12-27/The_Laws_of_Uttering_Hashems_Ineffable_Name/Rabbi__Meir_Gavriel_Elbaz__The_Laws_of_Uttering_Hashems_Ineffable_Name__2011-12-27.wmv
http://www.torah.org/features/secondlook/ineffable.html
About how the name is used in the temple service on Yom Kippur:
http://www.templeinstitute.org/yom_kippur/ineffable.htm
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Thank you for the links. Isn't it only if you present yourself to the altar that you die? I only read some Torah, and a bit of Talmud, so please teach me if I am wrong, and I bless you for it.
I will attempt to help you with your questions but the best thing, IMO, is for you to find a good Orthodox rabbi and a prayer group/minyan with which you can daven/pray. I made teshuva about seven years ago and have been involved with the yearly Torah cycle seven times {and the associated study of the sages}. I also study about 2 hours a day via online Rabbis on TorahAnyTime, Chabad, Aish, and others...
Join in some of the discussions in the Torah and Jewish Idea forum...
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I semi agree Tag. If everyone followed the 613 laws wouldn't the animal kingdom become unbalanced? There would be more pigs then muzzy pigs. On the other hand I think following as many of the laws as possbile can only lead to good.
First of all, not everyone needs or would follow the whole Torah, just the Jews and those gentiles (converts) who want to take such a mission.
And even with your statement, hypothetically if it were true, the balance would actually be the opposite. Their would be less pigs because less people would demand it, thus leading to less farmers taking care of them and less of them existing (besides those few in the natural habitats). It is just like the cows. Their are many because we consume them.
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First of all, not everyone needs or would follow the whole Torah, just the Jews and those gentiles (converts) who want to take such a mission.
And even with your statement, hypothetically if it were true, the balance would actually be the opposite. Their would be less pigs because less people would demand it, thus leading to less farmers taking care of them and less of them existing (besides those few in the natural habitats). It is just like the cows. Their are many because we consume them.
I agree! But does it hurt to do a little extra?
Tag my whole point is that humans are part of the balance of the animal kingdom. Hashem gave Noah the animals to use, but the Jews have to follow stricter laws. Jews can’t hunt or use none split hoofed animals. Noachides can so in return they are making up the difference. On the point of wild hogs they can multiply quickly and cause a lot of damage. Look what they have done in the southern U.S.
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Wild beasts are not a big problem anymore. AA-12=:). Make a coat.
I am Jewish, and I want to know because I don't.
Im going to leave it at this… I do not kill animals for fun! And some of us find the slaughter of animals for their hide very insulting!
I don’t know where you live, but I can go out any night and hear or see wild beasts
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I must be the only Hillbilly on the forum!
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Ephraim this is explained (and I got the idea from) further in the book Perik Shera (on the part of the cow)
http://www.amazon.com/Perek-Shirah-Rabbi-Natan-Slifkin/dp/9655240339/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1330571564&sr=8-5
I personally recommend it for both Jews and Gentiles, book on nature and book on the love and connection to G-D and seeing G-d through the natural world that He created and maintains.
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Ephraim this is explained (and I got the idea from) further in the book Perik Shera (on the part of the cow)
http://www.amazon.com/Perek-Shirah-Rabbi-Natan-Slifkin/dp/9655240339/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1330571564&sr=8-5
I personally recommend it for both Jews and Gentiles, book on nature and book on the love and connection to G-D and seeing G-d through the natural world that He created and maintains.
Thanks Tag I will read it!
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It could be... But we don't know... Unless you know for sure that is not the time...
Are you serious right now? Any christian guy with a website can make a claim about "end of the world" (who says the world ends in the first place? Is that a Jewish idea?) because he clains to read it in psalms. Lol the guy here asked for people with knowledge of Judaism and asks if what "false prophet of doom" claims about judaism is true. No, chazal made no such claims. No rabbanim interpreted no such thing. No, we do not know when the messiah will come and when we begin a new age on earth (not world ending in explosion and everyone who doesn't believe in yashke dies - but a new era where we are still here). I do know for sure that the gentleman's wild speculation is only his own.
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I bring this up knowing full well of the covert left wingie apocylyptic cults that whimper about these things without end, and say Jews go to hell (and reason that even if they sin more and don't keep torah, they like yashua so that absolves them of everything . ???)
Regardless of them, this craig guy sort of made sense,
You realize he very well might fit the description you wrote above, right?
and it was psalm 102, but I don't really see where it says this will be the last generation, so I asked here.
That makes no sense. You say he made sense but you say you don't know where he got what he is saying from. So how can you say he "makes sense" if you think he's making stuff up and talking out of his behind? You sound very confused.
What is the opinion of this guy here? Prophet of doom fights muzzbags, but his yadayahweh.com I'm not sure. I still like him more than the majority of christians. My opinion, but I'm not keeping up researching his material if he's a bad guy, so discern. He sent me this "exclusive" 300k word research paper after our chat that I'll send if someone's interested, as I never quite find the time to read this.
Perhaps that's an attempt at missionizing?
As for meriting it, we will re-instate mosaic law before shiloh, it is written. If christains can't tell the savages stop killing Jews because they now hide behind "tolerance" then we deal with them in the original manner, I only hope not many Jewish deaths happen in Israel to replace the secular government with one that will fulfill the prophesy. I think we merit it if we all go back to the holy way of life.
So I'm back to not having any clue when the end is, can anyone change that?
The end of what? We cherish life and the ability to do mitzvahs. We don't hope for death or destruction or for our lives to be taken away.
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Hopelessness? I am a very happy camper. I don't spend my days worrying about the end, believe me. Some guy I talked to on one of my religious learning rampages said he knew when shiloh comes, so I gave him opportunity to explain himself. And I like the post that says we must deserve his coming, so my new reasoning is that we don't love him quite enough yet. Either way, I am not paranoid.
I did not post to preach, just to get a second opinion or what I was taught. Thanks all for sharing.
Huh? Love whom enough yet?
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^ i think he meant the mosiach
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People used Torah and Kaballah for bad.
Oh really? Who were they and what did they do?
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Sounds like messianic jews to me!
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Hashem says to call on his name specifically in times of need. I do it in my head, to be safe. What gives any rabbi the need to withhold it? Let fools use it in vain and die, I use it to pray that others might live. I'll blow up the new abomination of our desolaton myself if that's what it takes, but I want to know, everything I learn of g-d makes me love him that much more. If others copy that, then it's his name that is the first step towards shiloh.
Why do you have to say I can't?? Now I must find out, with or without you.
Muman you are taking his bait. The whole "Jews don't say God's real name, that means they are not really followers of God" bit is a typical missionary routine. Notice how he ignores the real reasons you give but then he says things like "how can you put a limit on my interaction with God". - yeah and we have horns too and we're using our kaballah cult to take over the world finances ....Yawn, how long until the banning.
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^ i think he meant the mosiach
We have a mitzvah to love God, not to love the messiah (who btw is a person most likely none of us have met yet and had no interaction with yet, so it doesn't even make sense to "love" this person)
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Sorry Muman! That is the feeling I got too.
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I don't trust this guy and I don't think you should tell him anything else! Sorry!!!!
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Class of 2012: they saved the best for last.
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You may be right... It does seem a little fishy and from a Christian perspective. I did not look at the site he linked to. I usually only read sites which are found with a Jewish search engine {each site approved by some Rabbi sitting in a dark room in Jerusalem}.
I believe I am aware that they do say that since we don't use the name there must be something wrong with the Jewish faith. But I understand why the name is not used today and it is a good thing, as some others here have suggested, since the world is in such low spiritual health. I am reminded of this movie which I have shared with other members called Pi which is about the search for a name of G-d. In the end it drove the protagonist crazy...
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In a way my understanding of why we don't use the name is for several possible reasons:
1) It would be a sign of disrespect if a mere mortal human would utter the name which represents the transcendental quality of our L-rd.
2) There is a mitzvah in the 10 sayings/commandments to not use the name of the L-rd in vain, or in a circumstance which is not befitting the holy/special nature of Hashems 'existence'. This is one reason why the Talmud explains that one should not use the word 'Shalom' in the bathroom because Shalom is a name of Hashem.
3) It is believed that the correct intonation of the ineffable name has actual physical and spiritual power, and those who possess this name are capable of wonders. An example of this is in the Torah when Moshe smote the Egyptian task master as it is said he did so uttering the name of Hashem. Heaven forbid the name should be used for ill purpose...
http://www.chayas.com/10plague.htm
3) In Moses’ initial contact with the Creator, he asked to know His Name. This seems strange, since the Midrash teaches that Moses knew the Divine Name, using it to kill the Egyptian taskmaster. Being a Levite, whose tribe faithfully preserved the holy traditions of the nation, how couldn’t Moses have known the Name of His G-d? Notice that HaShem did not then reveal to Moses the essence of His most sacred Name, but replies, “I Shall Be What I Shall Be.” Now E-hiyeh (I Shall Be) is indeed one of the seven holy Names of G-d that may not be erased. However, it may well have been a mild form of rebuke. Ancient magic and sorcery involved the use of various “holy names” in incantations to cast spells and manipulate supernatural powers. This practice is alive and well in India, as well as in largely extinct schools of pseudo-Kabbalah (as opposed to genuine Qabbalah). Considering Moses’ upbringing, his question could hint to the magical perspective of the ancient world, in which Moses was raised and educated. (Moses is not a flat character, but one who grows and develops, which could warrant a special essay in itself!) It is not inconceivable that at this initial encounter with the Almighty, he requested a holy name through which he might be expected to perform HaShem's wonders.
See also:
http://www.torah.org/learning/rambam/kriatshema/ks3.5.html
The Gemara in Shabbat takes note of the inclusion of *She'ilat Shalom* among those things which are forbidden in a bathhouse, and infers:
"...this supports R. Hamnuna's teaching in the name of 'Ulla, who said: It is forbidden to "give *Shalom*" to a fellow in a bathhouse, since it says: "[Then Gideon built an altar there to Hashem,] and called it, Hashem is peace (*Hashem Shalom*)..." (Shoftim [Judges] 6:24). If so, it should also be forbidden to mention "faith" in a Beit haKissei [note the seamless shift from bathhouse to outhouse], as it says: "[Know therefore that Hashem your God is God,] the faithful God [who maintains covenant loyalty with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations] (Devarim [Deuteronomy] 7:9). And if you say, that is also true (that it is forbidden to mention "faith" there), but Rava b. Mahs'ya said in the name of R. Hamma b. Guria in the name of Rav: It is permissible to mention "faith" in a Beit haKissei! There [in the case of "faith"], the Name is not itself called that, as we translate: "The God of faith"; here [in the case of "Shalom"], the Name itself is called Shalom, as it says: "and he called it, Hashem Shalom."
In this discussion, we are introduced to the distinction between a "Name" for God and an "Adjective" for God. Since Gid'on called his altar "Hashem Shalom", we understand this to mean that "Shalom" is another name for God. Conversely, although God is described in the Torah as a "Faithful God", this doesn't imply that "Faithful" is a Name; rather, it is an altogether appropriate adjective for Him. The upshot of this is that if we identify a Name for God, that may not be said in the bathroom; however, an adjective which is associated with God isn't included in that prohibition.
Tosafot (Shabbat 10b s.v. d'M'targ'minan) raises an objection to this distinction: Just as the Gemara justifies permitting "Faith" in the Beit haKissei because the verse is translated "the God of faith"; similarly, we translate the verse in Shoftim "the God who makes peace" - so "Shalom" is also a modifier and not a Name! Tosafot's answer is based upon the wording of Gid'on: "Hashem Shalom" - and, if Gid'on only meant to say "God is the one who makes peace", he would have said "Hashem Sh'lomo" (lit. "Hashem who is [the cause of] his peace"). Rosh (Teshuvot 3:15) offers a similar response. However, Tosafot first explains that Gid'on called God "Shalom" because He makes peace. The distinction between this and "faithful God" requires clarification. This will be addressed below in section III.
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I believe you LKZ... But you know it was called the Six Day War and not the Seven Day war... Right?
It is hard for a Jew to come back to his roots. I know this because I came back in 2003 and have not stopped studying and attempting to increase my observance of the mitzvot. You have said some things which are alarming from some peoples perspective. But I have tolerance and faith that most people want to do the right thing, and believe that there is a truth which we should all know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war
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I am not trying to give you a hard time. I assume you are younger than I and I give you the benefit of the doubt.
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I didn't say anything of the kind, and have no idea how that makes sense on any level of logic. Christians call him christ or jesus anyways, which is not even the guy's acutal name, so that's hypocritical, and I cared nothing of other Jews knowing it, I just wanted to, because I had little idea why I shouldn't. G-d says call on my name a couple times, and I thought that would be right to do.
And dude I'm really Jewish I have 600 years of geneology prooven and socialist politicans in my family to boot. My great-cousins founded a kibbutz in the Negev, and my family members I have and hope to soon meet fought in the seven day war, so ban me all you please, but I won't have it said that I wronged or stand against any Jew. Did I honestly sound like I was out here to get people to join little craigs cult? I don't even know the guy I just had a chat, and because I'm trying to learn about what exactly everything I stand for is, I talk to people saying that they stand for it. If he had said that, you better believe I would have came out with a completely different reponse to his crap than I did, if I had found any reasons to post a piece of the massive pile of lies out there.
I know how this looks, I'm reading back myself with this new knowledge, and yeah I'm wrong, though I did err with all the right intentions. No excuse, though I don't really have much else to go on. I don't know any Jewish people other than my family where I live, and my they get mad if I talk about Israel or Jews or Muslims outside, so this is one of my first big discussions on Judaism. Who could turn away from judaism for something like that? I only posted because he wrote this stuff like it was supposed to fit into what I already knew, and now that its been pointed out to contradict, forget this guy, its not like I was really engulfed by what he said anyways; I work three diffrent jobs, and I don't watch t.v. so this is my entertainment, it's not like I don't have better things to worry about anyways. All that went through my head in posting was to see whether it was right or wrong.
Ok, ok. I'm sorry if I misjudged you. It seems like wynn is trying to missionize you with his million page documents. And perhaps your comments here were innocent. I've just seen that "angle" from missionaries so many times on the interwebs so it caused my reaction. But if you weren't playing those games, fine.
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There have been alot of predictions by many people about the end of days, but the times we are in now feels so different. You can tell something is drastically wrong and sense the evil forces!