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Title: Shalom
Post by: Dan Ben Noah on March 07, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
Shalom
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: P J C on March 07, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
Ugh animals
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on March 07, 2012, 06:44:06 PM
Ahhhhh more family love from the tolerant, kind and compassionate practitioners of the religion of peace.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Rubystars on March 07, 2012, 08:49:06 PM
I'll think of this next time someone tries to tell me that Islam is family-oriented.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Dati Leumi on March 07, 2012, 09:06:27 PM
Good!!
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on March 07, 2012, 10:01:35 PM
Good!!

Good? A 19yo with a 38yo pedophile?
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 07, 2012, 10:16:40 PM
All muzzys should be used as pinatas!
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 07, 2012, 10:20:05 PM
Good? A 19yo with a 38yo pedophile?


I agree aCK!
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: IsraelForever on March 08, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
These muslims are sick, vile, disgusting, crazy, vicious, filthy, ugly people!  They spoil our planet wherever they go with their murderous, sick ways. 

AND NOW THEY'RE CLOSE TO HAVING NUKES?

ISRAEL, BOMB THOSE SITES ALREADY!  Hitler with nukes?  How would that have worked out???  Vey iz mir!

NEVER AGAIN!!!
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ulli on March 08, 2012, 05:34:19 AM
These muslims are sick, vile, disgusting, crazy, vicious, filthy, ugly people!  They spoil our planet wherever they go with their murderous, sick ways. 

AND NOW THEY'RE CLOSE TO HAVING NUKES?

ISRAEL, BOMB THOSE SITES ALREADY!  Hitler with nukes?  How would that have worked out???  Vey iz mir!

NEVER AGAIN!!!

Yes it is necessary to deal with Muslims with a hard hand. They don't understand another language because of their nature.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Rubystars on March 09, 2012, 09:17:12 AM
All muzzys should be used as pinatas!

She was trying to go against her parents that's why she was hurt. Maybe she would have left Islam. Maybe she still will.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ben Yehuda on March 09, 2012, 03:48:06 PM
Probably an improvement to her face.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Lisa on March 09, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Probably an improvement to her face.

I don't think such a comment makes us look good.  For one thing, it's not that girl's fault that her parents are fanatics.  Also, if she was rejecting an arranged marriage, chances are, she was also trying to leave Islam.  And like Rubystars wrote, maybe she still might. 
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 09, 2012, 06:11:37 PM
She was trying to go against her parents that's why she was hurt. Maybe she would have left Islam. Maybe she still will.
Ok,not all! In all honesty, I kinda feel sorry for some of the women that are stuck in that religion.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ben Yehuda on March 11, 2012, 12:36:48 AM
I don't think such a comment makes us look good.  For one thing, it's not that girl's fault that her parents are fanatics.  Also, if she was rejecting an arranged marriage, chances are, she was also trying to leave Islam.  And like Rubystars wrote, maybe she still might.

Gee, I had not considered that it might look bad to show disdain for muslims.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Rubystars on March 11, 2012, 06:06:54 AM
 It looks bad to blame the victim of a horrible crime when she was trying to go against what her evil Muslim family wanted. Islam is shown to be evil by this story because it was wrong to do this to her.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ben Yehuda on March 11, 2012, 08:05:18 AM
It looks bad to blame the victim of a horrible crime when she was trying to go against what her evil Muslim family wanted. Islam is shown to be evil by this story because it was wrong to do this to her.

Ok, so we think she has a good chance of renouncing islam because she doesn't want to marry the pedophile that her family chose for her. I'm sure she loves Jews too. She might even start donating to JTF. :o
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Rubystars on March 11, 2012, 08:08:44 AM
Ok, so we think she has a good chance of renouncing islam because she doesn't want to marry the pedophile that her family chose for her. I'm sure she loves Jews too. She might even start donating to JTF. :o

I see your point but I just think we can't necessarily assume a whole lot about her from this story. We know that she isn't in lock step with her family's beliefs in one way so it does open the possibility that she may be considering leaving Islam. It doesn't mean she will but I don't think it's right to say she deserved the abuse and attempted murder because the reason she was being hurt was defying her (demonstrably evil) family.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Ben Yehuda on March 11, 2012, 05:31:20 PM
Oy. I give up.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on March 11, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
I don't think such a comment makes us look good.  For one thing, it's not that girl's fault that her parents are fanatics.  Also, if she was rejecting an arranged marriage, chances are, she was also trying to leave Islam.  And like Rubystars wrote, maybe she still might.

Lots of comments by a tiny minority on this site make our forum look absolutely awful.  I have no idea why this is permitted.  Comments calling for the death penalty for innocent people, it's really a turn off to read as someone who supports JTF.  How does this appear to someone who agrees with JTF in several areas, but is ambivalent about joining because of the bad press we get..  Dan Ben Noah, a moderator is the greatest offender.  His comments are far worse than this one and can get this site into legal trouble.  If people want to think that all homosexuals should get the death penalty, then expound on the glories of doing so, they should open their own website and detail whatever they want, accepting any and all direct consequences for doing so unto themselves. The majority of people on the English forum at least seem to think that there is and should be a large distance between not agreeing with homosexual behavior and choosing to kill those with whom we disagree.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on March 20, 2012, 11:01:39 PM
Torah says to kill them. They bring sin into the community. Killing them will bring the glory of less sin into the community. We don't live in China so sew me, or screw off. And since christians no longer tell them they will go to hell, they will be killed in Israel, as commanded soon enough. And it will please me more than leaving them be. Is that bad? Be aware what you're denouncing.

I have news for you: you are not Gd.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Former Reformed Jew on March 20, 2012, 11:13:32 PM
Probably made her look better!!!!
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Yaakov Mendel on March 21, 2012, 04:49:05 AM
Probably made her look better!!!!

That's a disgusting comment.
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: Yaakov Mendel on March 21, 2012, 08:41:05 AM
Ok, that's nice. On the other hand, I know of his commandements, and his promises. It is prophesied that Mosiac law will return to Israel. I will have no problem following his commandements, and stoning homos. Not my choice; If I sin or disobey g-d, I am reminded of just how faithful he is to me, as a Jew.

How does that make me G-d?

Seriously, would you really stone homos to death just because they are homosexual ? Would you not try to help them overcome their sexual drive instead ?
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on March 21, 2012, 08:57:49 PM
Seriously, would you really stone homos to death just because they are homosexual ? Would you not try to help them overcome their sexual drive instead ?


I wouldn't waste my time Yaakov using logic with Locust.  I trust people who have sinned, know they have sinned, and try their very best not to sin with an earnest heart.  The others like this worm aren't worth your or my time
Title: Re: Arizona Muslim burns daughter's face for refusing arranged marriage
Post by: muman613 on March 21, 2012, 09:12:01 PM
Yeah, do you think that is a bad thing to do? I'd love to help them change their evil ways, and my family has helped one such person who was prostituted by his lesbian mother to older men when he was 15 or younger, and raised as a girl, but the times are a changing. We told him he's going to hell if he continues with his lifestyle, and that it's not too late for him, and he did indeed change his ways. Today, if I tell a gay he burns for all eternity because of his sexual perversion, I'm lucky to get hit with hours of liberal anger, though generally the person will leave and never speak to me again. If they can't be saved, at least we can.
Are you Jewish? I was under the assumption you are Jewish but what you write here sounds like Christian beliefs...

Are you aware that the penalty for Shabbat Desecration is Death? That a Jew who violates Shabbat is just as liable for punishment as a man who engages in sex with another man? Are you aware that according to Jewish belief that the commandment against homosexual relationships only refer to the sex act and not the 'persuasion' in the mans head? Also we don't believe in Eternal Damnation except for the exceptionally wicked.

Parasha Vayakhel - Exodus 35
2. Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have sanctity, a day of complete rest to the Lord; whoever performs work thereon [on this day] shall be put to death.

http://www.dafyomi.co.il/parsha/vayakhl4.htm