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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: nessuno on July 01, 2012, 01:01:53 PM
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It seems like our forum has gotten off track with 9/11 conspiracies and what evil the Vatican is up to now.
We should have our eye on the coming election and what we can do to elect Mitt Romeny.
That's right...Mitt. He is our only hope of saving America and supporting Israel.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
What are we going to do to save ourselves? Debate who caused 9/11 (we know the answer and it's clearly invaded the WhiteHouse) or how bad Catholics are?
We better get focused on the goal.
Plus...I could give a darn about the Serbian section when it's filled with craziness.
I'm sorry. It's true. I wouldn't mind being banned from that section altogether.
I'm just saying.
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Indeed we should be worried. Romney seems to be stuck on neutral while Osama is gearing up. The polls are usually skewed in favor of the left but still they are worrisome.
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Romney is good in a debate and he is smart, but question is will he deliver the necessary punches to Hussein to make his policies look like a disaster...The Healthcare bill is now ruled a tax by Justice Roberts...When you say Tax or penalty people will vote against your policies... The bill was passed without reading it, and it also gave special favors to Mary Landrieu..the Louisianna purchse, Ben Nelson, Nebraska...The Cornhusker Kickback and Bart Stupac was promised there would not be tax payer funded abortions in the bill, and that was a lie...What a grand Deception the healthcare bill is, its all about controlling our lives and will further destroying our economy.
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Romney is smart. I'll vote for him. But I don't think he's ruthless enough to win,whereas Obama is.
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People keep saying "Osama will be a OTP" though I'm like "what are you doing to make that happen?
Were going to have to do way more than arrive at the ballot box on November.
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It seems like our forum has gotten off track with 9/11 conspiracies and what evil the Vatican is up to now.
We should have our eye on the coming election and what we can do to elect Mitt Romeny.
That's right...Mitt. He is our only hope of saving America and supporting Israel.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
What are we going to do to save ourselves? Debate who caused 9/11 (we know the answer and it's clearly invaded the WhiteHouse) or how bad Catholics are?
We better get focused on the goal.
Plus...I could give a darn about the Serbian section when it's filled with craziness.
I'm sorry. It's true. I wouldn't mind being banned from that section altogether.
I'm just saying.
I never really look at that section, the general section is where all the action is. (And the Judaism section which I like personally of course). If there is a dude there talking about nukes being used on 9/11, that is all the more reason not to bother wasting my time with that section.
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It is also in the General Discussion section of the forum.
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The economy is likely to tank whoever wins (as a result of obamas policies). The middle east will also blow up. So if Obama wins, at least he will get the blame for these....I believe it is too late to fix the economy and the damage inthe middle east is basically done. So if Obama wins, at least he will get the blame and the foolish masses in this country might wake up. So to sum, I am not so stressed about it
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The economy is likely to tank whoever wins (as a result of obamas policies). The middle east will also blow up. So if Obama wins, at least he will get the blame for these....I believe it is too late to fix the economy and the damage inthe middle east is basically done. So if Obama wins, at least he will get the blame and the foolish masses in this country might wake up. So to sum, I am not so stressed about it
Do you realize what is implied in 'the middle east will blow up'? Can we sit idle as our brothers in Israel are bullied and murdered in our homeland? I cannot rationalize thinking that we can sit back and let obama take the blame. Obama will just allow Israel to be destroyed, he has no love for the Jewish nation.
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Do you realize what is implied in 'the middle east will blow up'? Can we sit idle as our brothers in Israel are bullied and murdered in our homeland? I cannot rationalize thinking that we can sit back and let obama take the blame. Obama will just allow Israel to be destroyed, he has no love for the Jewish nation.
Sit back??? Whatever would his paganistic brothers think of that? No he'll sell weapons to all of Israel's enemies, and watch G-d's response to people saying he is no longer relevant in the modern world. Haven't you learned anything from years of spreading truth people need to hear, and society not changing? You can't change destiny; there will be no peace, and Israel will receive no help. Talk all you want about change, the only positive one you can make is to prepare.
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Sit back??? Whatever would his paganistic brothers think of that? No he'll sell weapons to all of Israel's enemies, and watch G-d's response to people saying he is no longer relevant in the modern world. Haven't you learned anything from years of spreading truth people need to hear, and society not changing? You can't change destiny; there will be no peace, and Israel will receive no help. Talk all you want about change, the only positive one you can make is to prepare.
Certainly there should be no reliance on the nations. I do not suggest that. But we should not rely on miracles, and this is a Talmudic principle, that we should always first attempt to do things through natural means. So we must do what we can to avoid allowing a man who threatens Israel from gaining power. We must also be concerned for the nation of America once the providence which Hashem has shown it will recede. And those Jews who remain in galut will once again witness the descent of darkness upon us.
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The economy is likely to tank whoever wins (as a result of obamas policies). The middle east will also blow up. So if Obama wins, at least he will get the blame for these....I believe it is too late to fix the economy and the damage inthe middle east is basically done. So if Obama wins, at least he will get the blame and the foolish masses in this country might wake up. So to sum, I am not so stressed about it
Um, no.
If obama wins (G-d forbid), what difference does it make if he gets blamed for things if he has already had or started a second term and no longer has to face the voters? First of all, no, he will never get blamed for his mistakes because people have become blinded by color and the media incessantly supports and defends him. Secondly, can you imagine what kind of damage he would do w a second term?! Who cares what he is blamed or not blamed for afterwards? The country will be destroyed.
And the democrats will just trot out some new "sensation' who can do no wrong and w their usual propaganda blame republican resistance for why obama's policies failed.
No thanks.
2. The doomsdayers keep getting it wrong every year calling for double dip recession. Its just a sluggish stalled minimal growth economy w high unemployment and will continue to be so. Probability suggests the double dippers are wrong again this year. If Romney wins, the stock markets will rip higher and businesses will get confident (weird but the market performance impacts corporate confidence) and hopefully take more risks and start hiring again.
The worst case scenario on the economy is basically as follows: bad economic #'s persist in July and August so the fed chairman bernanke does a new round of quantitative easing. This will cause months of stock market exuberation because its basically dropping monopoly money on it. People will see soaring portfolios and think obama did something good in leadup to the election. Also companies will hire and macro numbers will improve due to QE. That will create positive perception for obama into the election although he did nothing.
3. The middle east already did blow up.
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If Romney wins, the stock markets will rip higher and businesses will get confident (weird but the market performance impacts corporate confidence) and hopefully take more risks and start hiring again.
The middle east already did blow up.
Agreed!!
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I think everyone here is concerned about Obama. Also, I wasnt actually aware that there are 9/11 truthers on this forum. If there are, I think that crosses the line... and is a bannable offense.
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Very concerned.
Because all of the old media is covering for king obongo.
AND romney is cowering around. although he is a step above Juan McLame.
We need someone who will come out punching.
I wish Mitt Romney would say that he wants to punch him in the mouth.
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Very concerned.
Because all of the old media is covering for king obongo.
AND romney is cowering around. although he is a step above Juan McLame.
We need someone who will come out punching.
I wish Mitt Romney would say that he wants to punch him in the mouth.
Romney probably figures, like McCain, that we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency and Obama would make a great president. Yes, McCain actually said that while he was supposedly campaigning against Obama. I think Romney is just as weak and useless.
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It's about time someone opened a sane thread like this.
We must start working to elect Mitt Romney and defeat Barack Hussein Obama on an urgent basis. This campaign during the next four months should be an emergency priority for every sane person.
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It's about time someone opened a sane thread like this.
We must start working to elect Mitt Romney and defeat Barack Hussein Obama on an urgent basis. This campaign during the next four months should be an emergency priority for every sane person.
I almost spend as much time advocating for Romney (well advocating against Obama) as I spend studying Torah these days.
My immediate community is already on the same page as us.... I have influenced some people with JTF videos...
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The latest opinion polls in favor of Romney shall be publicized more and more and if possible, their analysis shall be attempted to be made.
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Um, no.
The global economy is slipping into recession and the only reason why the us is not in a recession is because the government is running a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. Romney will attempt to reign in the deficit without true reform because he is not a true conservative - what is required is removal of the fed, real tax reform, entitlement reform etc. As for quantitative easing, the market is getting tired of it so the more the fed does it, the less of an impact it has because people are understanding it doesn't help the economy and whilst it ultimately creates inflation, there is a lag
If obama wins (G-d forbid), what difference does it make if he gets blamed for things if he has already had or started a second term and no longer has to face the voters? First of all, no, he will never get blamed for his mistakes because people have become blinded by color and the media incessantly supports and defends him. Secondly, can you imagine what kind of damage he would do w a second term?! Who cares what he is blamed or not blamed for afterwards? The country will be destroyed.
And the democrats will just trot out some new "sensation' who can do no wrong and w their usual propaganda blame republican resistance for why obama's policies failed.
No thanks.
2. The doomsdayers keep getting it wrong every year calling for double dip recession. Its just a sluggish stalled minimal growth economy w high unemployment and will continue to be so. Probability suggests the double dippers are wrong again this year. If Romney wins, the stock markets will rip higher and businesses will get confident (weird but the market performance impacts corporate confidence) and hopefully take more risks and start hiring again.
The worst case scenario on the economy is basically as follows: bad economic #'s persist in July and August so the fed chairman bernanke does a new round of quantitative easing. This will cause months of stock market exuberation because its basically dropping monopoly money on it. People will see soaring portfolios and think obama did something good in leadup to the election. Also companies will hire and macro numbers will improve due to QE. That will create positive perception for obama into the election although he did nothing.
3. The middle east already did blow up.
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I have actively started campaigning the last few day using facebook. It seems to be paying dividends, and there are a lot of 'middle of the roaders' who are being reached.
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I have actively started campaigning the last few day using facebook. It seems to be paying dividends, and there are a lot of 'middle of the roaders' who are being reached.
Great work! Unfortunately most of the people I know on facebook are committed liberals. I think that's something that plagues my age group.
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The global economy is slipping into recession and the only reason why the us is not in a recession is because the government is running a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. Romney will attempt to reign in the deficit without true reform because he is not a true conservative - what is required is removal of the fed, real tax reform, entitlement reform etc.
How does the 1.4 trillion deficit prevent a recession? I'm no economics genius, so please spell it out for me clearly.
As for quantitative easing, the market is getting tired of it so the more the fed does it, the less of an impact it has because people are understanding it doesn't help the economy and whilst it ultimately creates inflation, there is a lag
The reality doesn't bear out this claim. Even "rumors" or "speculation" about QE sends the market higher. It doesn't really matter what it does to the economy, the market trades higher on QE regardless. If you think otherwise you are severely mistaken! Stocks will go up and go up big if they play the QE card. And everyone on wall street knows that, which is why when probabilities of QE go up (like in the past month or so), stocks already start trading higher.
All the doomsday warnings by "hyperinflation" loons has not been proven correct. If anything there is a risk of deflation, and currently we are paced to be below the inflation target set by the fed.
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The economy is in the doldrums mostly due to the earlier predictions of the hyperinflation and due to the slow rates of profits in the manufacturing sectors. Hence investors are no more interested in the manufacture and nothing else works. Meanwhile Red Dragon China has widely expanded its manufacturing sectors now with improved qualities. This may lead somewhat towards redistribution of the markets.
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Bullcat:
I feel more concerned that so many Americans want to pretend that things will be OK.
Things are NOT going to be ok.
We HAVE to start looking at the truth; We ARE ALREADY bankrupt. Russia and China have formed a strong alliance and now advised USA to butt out of Syria--The WITCH, Hitlery REFUSES to listen. China now says that "War with US is imminent."
The ONLY hope I see in America is if people REPENT.
Repent for baby-murder, repent for homos, repent for kicking G-d out. Repent for turning our backs on Israel, G-DS choice of land and people.
We have so much sin-- that if America REFUSES to see how wicked we have been and our OWN wickedness has put this EVIL monster in...
I FEAR we will have him again.
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I AM sorry for feeling negative. I cant help it. I see and sense horrible times.
And, yes, the alternative to HUSSEIN is Romney, so you all know what to do.
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Bullcat:
I feel more concerned that so many Americans want to pretend that things will be OK.
Things are NOT going to be ok.
We HAVE to start looking at the truth; We ARE ALREADY bankrupt. Russia and China have formed a strong alliance and now advised USA to butt out of Syria--The WITCH, Hitlery REFUSES to listen. China now says that "War with US is imminent."
The ONLY hope I see in America is if people REPENT.
Repent for baby-murder, repent for homos, repent for kicking G-d out. Repent for turning our backs on Israel, G-DS choice of land and people.
We have so much sin-- that if America REFUSES to see how wicked we have been and our OWN wickedness has put this EVIL monster in...
I FEAR we will have him again.
I agree AsheDina! It is very sad what we have become. I talk to people, and a lot of people just think I’m over reacting, crazy, or a prude! So many Americans have not had hardships, or struggled to make it. So many in our time think this is America, that can’t happen here. Oh it will be just fine! NO IT WON’T IF WE DON’T PULL OUR HEAD OUT OF OUR DONKEYS!
If we get Osama again… All we can do is stand strong together, not give up, not bow down to evil, and love G-d! G-d will strengthen us, he will protect us, we will be victorious in the end!
NEVER AGAIN!!!
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The handing out of entitlements, pensions, deficit spending etc is money in people's hands which gets spent and makes up for a lack of private sector demand. when it comes to reducing the deficit, there will be a good chance of negative GDP growth but eventually the private sector should regain confidence knowing the deficit is under control and there won't be tax hikes to pay for the debt. It is a balancing act and things may need to get worse before they get better. Romney will of course get the blame for any temporary downturn - Ireland is a good case study
As for money printing, the markets are now pre empting it so when it happens, there is less of a kick. Eventually the markets will only rally on printing when there is evidence of real inflation
honestly with such a high percentage of the population from lazy minorities and dysfunctional family values, I cannot see how the us can ever get to a decent level of growth. Sure, the us grew in e previous decade but that was largely because of the artificial housing boom
How does the 1.4 trillion deficit prevent a recession? I'm no economics genius, so please spell it out for me clearly.
The reality doesn't bear out this claim. Even "rumors" or "speculation" about QE sends the market higher. It doesn't really matter what it does to the economy, the market trades higher on QE regardless. If you think otherwise you are severely mistaken! Stocks will go up and go up big if they play the QE card. And everyone on wall street knows that, which is why when probabilities of QE go up (like in the past month or so), stocks already start trading higher.
All the doomsday warnings by "hyperinflation" loons has not been proven correct. If anything there is a risk of deflation, and currently we are paced to be below the inflation target set by the fed.
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I agree AsheDina! It is very sad what we have become. I talk to people, and a lot of people just think I’m over reacting, crazy, or a prude! So many Americans have not had hardships, or struggled to make it. So many in our time think this is America, that can’t happen here. Oh it will be just fine! NO IT WON’T IF WE DON’T PULL OUR HEAD OUT OF OUR DONKEYS!
NEVER AGAIN!!!
The problem is that these Americans have never lived during the great depression with all the bread lines, the failed presidency of Roosevelt and what not.
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The economy is in the doldrums mostly due to the earlier predictions of the hyperinflation and due to the slow rates of profits in the manufacturing sectors. Hence investors are no more interested in the manufacture and nothing else works. Meanwhile Red Dragon China has widely expanded its manufacturing sectors now with improved qualities. This may lead somewhat towards redistribution of the markets.
Nope, you are too late for China. Their growth is slowing now. They even built ghost towns to hide that their manufacturing was sputtering - a classic emblem of topping out. Demand destruction in progress. And that's decreased demand for US coal, materials, commodities. And one of the reasons behind the deflation.
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Nope, you are too late for China. Their growth is slowing now. They even built ghost towns to hide that their manufacturing was sputtering - a classic emblem of topping out. Demand destruction in progress. And that's decreased demand for US coal, materials, commodities. And one of the reasons behind the deflation.
Do you mean that global and US recession has nothing to do with recent advances of China. Albeit China too if affected but to the lowest extent.
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The handing out of entitlements, pensions, deficit spending etc is money in people's hands which gets spent and makes up for a lack of private sector demand. when it comes to reducing the deficit, there will be a good chance of negative GDP growth but eventually the private sector should regain confidence knowing the deficit is under control and there won't be tax hikes to pay for the debt. It is a balancing act and things may need to get worse before they get better. Romney will of course get the blame for any temporary downturn - Ireland is a good case study
As for money printing, the markets are now pre empting it so when it happens, there is less of a kick. Eventually the markets will only rally on printing when there is evidence of real inflation
honestly with such a high percentage of the population from lazy minorities and dysfunctional family values, I cannot see how the us can ever get to a decent level of growth. Sure, the us grew in e previous decade but that was largely because of the artificial housing boom
Have mercy :::D ... The shvartza President is spending the country into total collapse... How do you make up for private sector growth which is real money that produces something by passing out borrowed taxpayer money at high interest rates that produces nothing... I am not sure but the interest alone on the loan is costing about 30 to 40 cents of the taxpayers dollar... As for the balancing act h-ll will freeze over before the private sector grows when they know that that every dollar they produce in profit will eventually be stripped away to pay down this kind of crazy government spending. People getting public sector pensions and social security are getting and spending money that in most cases they would be spending anyway and they are a bigger part of the problem than a help... QE1,2 ect. ect. only strips the American people of buying power which will eventually stall any recovery in a long term way... The stock market is a very poor indicator of how the economy is doing... For a large part most of the money there is what I like to call funny money... Here one moment and gone the next...The large players move money around bolstering the market one day making the market look attractive then taking the profit and causing the 2 to 3 hundred point drops we have been seeing....People sick of not getting any return on bank investments try to ride this crazy tide in the market with mixed results... Eventually small investors will see that investing in stock is no better then playing the horses and that's when the the market will lose its ability to recover... This administrations with it's make work policy and spread the wealth ideas will only stall real growth and bankrupt the American people... With another 4 years of a shvartza Presidency we have no chance of any recovery... Romney may not be a total solution to the problem but will give us a far better chance then what we are dealing with now.
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Hi Ashe Dina, I feel the same way. Negative. Lost. I wonder where the world I grew up in disappeared to. What happened to Americans? What happened to right and wrong? To worshipping G-d? When did we become superficial evil worshipping wimps? We cowtow to every sick element of society, even putting it up on a pedestal.
I do know that Romney is our best chance to buy time. To get ourselves back on track. So I will support him best I can.
I hope we see more of you around the forum. You are missed.
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Presently the ever increasing Chinese economy emboldens it to take control over whole of the south china sea. The resources thus expected to be generated strengthen the apprehensions that the US may soon be relegated to the grade of superpower number two. Such apprehensions are a hidden but real factor in reshaping of the future course of economy and if no redemption is in sight, then the economy starts receeding in favor of China. After all the stronger magnet attracts more iron mass.
So if by the way Romney adopts real tough stands on the issues like the south china sea and Iran, then he can gather more iron. Otherwise he will be a repeat of McCain.
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We're four months away from the elections now. I'm scared, really scared. I don't feel like this is the USA I grew up learning about and expecting to live in. This is like some weird doppleganger version of the USA that's twisted and evil.
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No because the voting constituency now comprises many third world people. Look at their own countries and they are importing the same values and cultures. They have helped vote in a communist that hasn't got a clue about anything and they also shape the new media which is incredibly biased. The country is doomed. A Romney presidency can buy some time but ultimately it is all over for the us
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No because the voting constituency now comprises many third world people. Look at their own countries and they are importing the same values and cultures. They have helped vote in a communist that hasn't got a clue about anything and they also shape the new media which is incredibly biased. The country is doomed. A Romney presidency can buy some time but ultimately it is all over for the us
No no no! Positive positive! We have G-d they do not! This is how it always plays out!
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No because the voting constituency now comprises many third world people. Look at their own countries and they are importing the same values and cultures. They have helped vote in a communist that hasn't got a clue about anything and they also shape the new media which is incredibly biased. The country is doomed. A Romney presidency can buy some time but ultimately it is all over for the us
Well lets all bend over and kiss our a-s goodbye... We at least need to try and rid ourselves of the shvartza Administration.
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Yes. It's a question of managing the situation best....I actually wish there was a total economic collapse because only then would what needs to be done get done
A) border controls
B) expulsion of illegals
C) deficit to surplus
D) removal of the federal reserve
E) banning of Spanish language in public
F) expulsion of drug users (would impact certain groups)
g) overhaul of the tax system
H) end to foreign aid
Etc
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The handing out of entitlements, pensions, deficit spending etc is money in people's hands which gets spent and makes up for a lack of private sector demand. when it comes to reducing the deficit, there will be a good chance of negative GDP growth but eventually the private sector should regain confidence knowing the deficit is under control and there won't be tax hikes to pay for the debt. It is a balancing act and things may need to get worse before they get better. Romney will of course get the blame for any temporary downturn - Ireland is a good case study
As for money printing, the markets are now pre empting it so when it happens, there is less of a kick. Eventually the markets will only rally on printing when there is evidence of real inflation
honestly with such a high percentage of the population from lazy minorities and dysfunctional family values, I cannot see how the us can ever get to a decent level of growth. Sure, the us grew in e previous decade but that was largely because of the artificial housing boom
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You are preaching socialism. You are saying that massive government spending is the solution to America's economic crisis. That we can spend our way out of this problem with taxpayer dollars. You really should support Obama because that is his policy. It was also Roosevelt's disastrous policy which kept the U.S. in the great depression until the start of World War II. It's amazing how the establishment has succeeded in brainwashing people into believing such nonsense.
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Chaim I am not all saying that. I am the most anti socialist person you would ever meet. What I am saying is that govt spending can increase GDP in the very short term which is what Obama is doing. However, as you rightly point out is a disastrous policy on many levels. I further do not believe that GDP growth is a true measure of an economy's health