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Title: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on July 18, 2012, 04:45:46 PM
http://www.jdl-uk.org/2012/07/chaim-ben-pesach-jewish-hero-forbidden.html
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 18, 2012, 05:00:54 PM
http://www.jdl-uk.org/2012/07/chaim-ben-pesach-jewish-hero-forbidden.html

well written
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 18, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
בס''ד

Thank you so much for the outstanding article.

G-d bless you and Roberta.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Khan Krum on July 18, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
If the Israel nationalist party (Yisrael Beitenu I think is called) was in power this self-hating and Arab-worshipping would be over. I saw on Youtube about Netanyahu being called "King of Israel" probably because free elections aren't allowed and I fear it may be a dictatorship. But Yisrael Beiteinu are part of Nationalist International if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: The One and Only Mo on July 18, 2012, 08:53:27 PM
Brought tears to my eyes.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Aces High on July 18, 2012, 09:01:55 PM
The best write up I've ever read, on Chaim Ben Pesach.  You are definitely a  professional calibre writer.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Sveta on July 18, 2012, 11:34:27 PM
What is JDL UK? Isn't JDL under Rubinite occupation? As far as I know, only JDL France is a real organization separate from Rubin.

Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Meerkat on July 19, 2012, 12:00:42 AM
If the Israel nationalist party (Yisrael Beitenu I think is called) was in power this self-hating and Arab-worshipping would be over. I saw on Youtube about Netanyahu being called "King of Israel" probably because free elections aren't allowed and I fear it may be a dictatorship. But Yisrael Beiteinu are part of Nationalist International if I'm not mistaken.

you're new here so i guess you have not yet received the memo about israel beytenu. Its a political party run by a guy named avigdor lieberman. he is a phony and a traitor that supports the 2 state suicide.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Khan Krum on July 19, 2012, 12:14:18 AM
you're new here so i guess you have not yet received the memo about israel beytenu. Its a political party run by a guy named avigdor lieberman. he is a phony and a traitor that supports the 2 state suicide.
I was just told by someone else. What a shame. is there any real Israeli nationalist party?
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on July 19, 2012, 02:32:24 AM
The best write up I've ever read, on Chaim Ben Pesach.  You are definitely a  professional calibre writer.

I didn't write the article, I only contributed a small part and altered some things to give a better picture.

In any event, share it where ever you can.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on July 19, 2012, 05:22:15 AM
What is JDL UK? Isn't JDL under Rubinite occupation? As far as I know, only JDL France is a real organization separate from Rubin.

JDL UK is not under any occupation.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: AsheDina on July 19, 2012, 11:32:15 AM
http://www.jdl-uk.org/2012/07/chaim-ben-pesach-jewish-hero-forbidden.html

I will link you on my blog, on the side bar.  Great article
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on July 19, 2012, 11:36:17 AM
I will link you on my blog, on the side bar.  Great article

Thanks Paulette!
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on July 21, 2012, 05:22:36 AM
The article has been re-blogged here:

http://networkedblogs.com/A55Rn?a=share
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Dan193 on July 21, 2012, 09:42:28 AM
The cowards who run Israel fear Chaim and thats why they want him barred from Israel.
Only left wing Jews who want to surrender to the Arabs are the ones the left wants in the Knesset. 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4258338,00.html
Israel's political absurdity
Op-ed: Only in Israel, parties and leaders offering leftist solutions are referred to as centrists
Yoaz Hendel 07.21.12
 
In pre-election periods in Israel we often see the emergence of strange phenomena. One of the most prominent is the Israeli geometry failure – or in other words, a center that is found on the margins.

We see new and old parties that portray themselves as centrist parties, yet at the same time speak of leftist diplomatic solutions.

After them we see the pollsters who amazingly enough calculate the number of Knesset seats to be won by the Center-Left bloc (a term that has become natural in Israel.) It’s as though it would be impossible to have a centrist camp that happens to agree with the Right’s diplomatic doctrine of all things.

And so, some two weeks ago, Haim Ramon spoke about the many Knesset seats he may win as result of centrist voters who seek another diplomatic solution.

Similarly, we saw Ehud Olmert, who as a prime minister from a centrist party proposed a radical diplomatic solution that even members of the leftist Meretz party would have trouble endorsing.

Centrists become rightists

The same was true for the latest centrist leader, Kadima’s Shaul Mofaz, who chose to tell the New York Times about his willingness to agree to all the Palestinian demands pertaining to the territories.

So what would members of the centrist camp do if they happen to adhere to a national doctrine and a liberal school of thought? And what about the Israelis who do not believe in agreements with the Palestinians because the latter are not ready for them yet?
 
And how about those people who do not even believe in the political dispute between Left and Right over the future of Judea of Samaria, feeling that this argument is pointless?

And finally, what would be the fate of centrist voters who still believe in the laws of geometry? They will have to settle for being dubbed far rightists.

Comments
Netanyahu is a prefect example - he is called a rightist, yet for the most part he is far to the left of Odumba.
We keep electing from the right and get a bunch of leftists in power.
Gee  ,  Zikron Yaakov   (07.21.12)

In Israel since Camp David there's a constant leftist brainwash.
The media is disproportionately under extreme leftist control: radio and tv are filled by people Labour and left of it.
While they NEVER use the term "extreme leftist" even for the most outrageous positions, they call right-wing even the most moderate center who doesn't share a passion for giving away land to the Arabs, and extreme right wing anyone who tries to prevent it from happening.
Aurora Aronsson ,   Lund, SE   (07.21.12)
 
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Meerkat on July 21, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
I was just told by someone else. What a shame. is there any real Israeli nationalist party?

nope, the closest we have to a nationalist party is ichud leumi, they are fake as well.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Khan Krum on July 21, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
nope, the closest we have to a nationalist party is ichud leumi, they are fake as well.
That's a shame.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Dan193 on May 30, 2014, 09:39:28 AM
http://www.jdl-uk.org/2012/07/chaim-ben-pesach-jewish-hero-forbidden.html
Chaim Ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
18 July 2012

When Israel was created in 1948, most Jews dreamed of finally establishing their homes there. Israel was to become the home of Jews, every Jew, and the Zionist dream came with the promise to save them from harm and protect them from evil for as long as they lived in Israel.

However there is now something dark and nefarious working its way in Israeli society and which has reached the very core of the Israeli government. It's called Socialism. Socialism is a disease that thrives by using other people's money and causing them misery. It is tyrannical, oppressive and it corrupts people's souls. Unfortunately Israeli society has long since caught this disease, and the symptoms are stronger and more evident in the ranks of the Israeli government.

The situation now is so bad that we have decided to speak out against it and we truly hope that the Israeli people will wake up and join us in demanding the end of this sinister, evil and malignant Socialist ideology.

The corruption is so ingrained that it has gotten to the point that Jews are now refusing entry to Jews in Israel. In other words, if you are the "wrong type of Jew" you cannot make Aliyah and live in Israel.

Since when are these people allowed to deny a Jew a home in Israel?

How dare these Socialist/Communist Jews forbid other Jews to make Aliyah when they are only in Israel because other Jews fought for them and sacrificed their lives so they could live there! Do they think they own Israel now?

NO. Israel is owned by all Jews and every Jew has a right (if not a duty) to live in Israel. The Torah attests to that, and no amount of Socialist-Communist tumours are going to change this.

We want Israelis to know the double standards and the corruption of the Israeli government, which has forbidden a Jewish Hero, Chaim ben Pesach  to make Aliyah - While the Bolshevik-Dhimmi Israeli government continues to pander to our Arab enemies and even invite them into Israel, as they done with Arafat and other terrorists!

Are we Jews going to allow that? Are we seriously going to let these so-called "leaders" of the Jewish people to stop our own brothers and sisters from returning home?

There is only one reason why they would stop a Jew entering Israel. Fear. Those who are sabotaging the Aliyah process and denying certain Jews to return home are scared of being exposed and of losing their position of power.

This case is particularly interesting because it is the case that best exposes the fear of the current Israeli leadership, and due to the nature of these events we urge all Israelis to stand with us and demand that Chaim ben Pesach be allowed to make Aliyah immediately.

Background on Chaim ben Pesach

May 6th 1986 - front page of the Village Voice - a weekly newspapers in New York - it read: NICE JEWISH BOYS WITH BOMBS

American Chaim ben Pesach was the National Chairman of the Jewish Defense League but resigned in December 1978 after he was cowardly sent to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli withdrawal from the Sinai Peninsula (The Israelis did not realise how stupid it was to withdraw from Sinai until it was too late).

After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, Rabbi Meir Kahane again appointed Chaim to be National Chairman of the JDL. During the 1980s, Chaim was arrested again, along with two other JDL members in connection with six incidents; a 1984 firebombing of an automobile at a Soviet diplomatic residence, the 1985 and 1986 fire and pipe bombings of an FBI informer's car, the 1986 firebombing at a hall where the Soviet State Orchestra was performing, and two 1986 detonations of tear gas grenades to protest performances by Soviet dance companies.

None of these actions caused anyone to be injured or killed. Only property was destroyed, unlike the actions of real Arab-Muslim terrorists who deliberately set out to murder people, principally women and children whom they treat as commodities. Even the FBI wrote a report stating that Chaim ben Pesach went out of his way to ensure that no one got injured in his bombing campaigns.

Jews with honour and courage. Left: Chaim ben Pesach. Right: Rabbi Meir Kahane

In the United States, Chaim served five and a half years in prison and spent another 12 years on probation, parole and/or house arrest for his activities on behalf of Soviet Jewry when he was the National Chairman of the Jewish Defense League (JDL). After completing this period of 17 and a half years of being either in prison or under severe restrictions, he wanted to immediately fulfill his lifelong dream of making Aliyah (immigrating to the land of Israel).

In July 1996, he flew to Israel with the intention of applying for citizenship under the "Law of Return", which supposedly guarantees every Jew the right to return to his ancestral homeland. Upon arriving at Ben Gurion airport, he was immediately arrested by Israeli Shabak agents (Israeli KGB) and placed in a cell without a toilet for 24 hours. He was not permitted to contact his family or friends or his attorneys. After 24 hours, he was forcibly placed on a flight back to the United States.

His expulsion order was signed by Interior Minister Eli Suissa from the Shas party. The same Suissa and Shas supported the Oslo accords where the Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat and 80,000 armed PLO-Fatah terrorist murderers were invited into the land of Israel. Arafat and the PLO terrorists have murdered thousands of Jews since the 1950s. Suissa met with the PLO terrorist butchers around the same time that he was ordering his expulsion.

In other words, Arafat and the PLO terrorist mass murderers were welcome into Israel after slaughtering thousands of Jews, but Chaim was forcibly expelled because he damaged Soviet diplomatic property (without killing or injuring anyone) in order to save 2 million USSR Jews who were being held hostage behind the Iron Curtain.

This disgraceful, illegal and dishonourable attitude from the Israeli government cannot go unnoticed any longer.

While Chaim was being held in a cell prior to the expulsion, an attorney Herbert Sunshine went to see Industry and Trade Minister Natan Sharansky.

Sharansky and members of his political party were Russian Jews who were liberated from the USSR because of the successful efforts of Kahane's JDL to make the Soviet Jewry issue a page one subject that no one could ignore.

Until the JDL's campaign to publicize this issue, almost no one ever spoke about the brutal oppression of Soviet Jews. Sharansky's party had 7 seats in the 120 seat Knesset (Parliament). The new Likud government under Binyamin Netanyahu needed Sharansky's party in the coalition. But when asked to intervene to allow Chaim into Israel, Sharansky coldly replied "There is nothing I can do".

Of course Sharansky (This ungrateful kapo) could do many things but the truth is that he cowardly chose not to. He was afraid to lose his "precious" (and pathetic) position in the Knesset. Such spineless politicians are the ones who have corrupted the Israeli government and need to be forcefully removed from their seats.

In August 1996, a month after Chaim's forcible expulsion, he applied for Aliyah at the Jewish Agency in New York. Once again, Interior Minister Suissa from Shas rejected his application and this time sent him a letter informing him that he was not permitted to even visit or set foot in the land of Israel.

In December 1996, Chaim wrote to Prime Minister Netanyahu explaining the situation. Not surprisingly the Prime Minister's office never did anything in response to his letter.

In July 1997, Chaim again wrote to Interior Minister Suissa asking him to explain why he was banned from making Aliyah or even visiting Israel. His letter was ignored. He never received any reply.

Over the years, Chaim repeatedly made new requests for Aliyah. For example, in late 2007, the Chief Rabbi of Israel, Yonah Metzger, wrote a letter on his behalf asking that he be allowed to finally make Aliyah. Rabbi Metzger wrote to the Interior Minister Meir Shitreet. Sheetrit, a notorious leftist, angrily rejected the Chief Rabbi's request.

Interesting is that the Chief Rabbi politically, does not agree with anything that Chaim stands for. 'Chief Rabbi' is an official position, so only an establishment figure will get chosen for this.

Meir Shitreet wrote a letter in response to Yonah Metzger, calling Chaim all sorts of names and claiming Chaim ben Pesach "is a threat to the peace process" and "a threat to democracy in Israel itself"... Even the Chief Rabbi was shocked by this, because such accusations are never used against the muslim terrorists.

Obviously, there is no 'democracy' in Israel. They put people in prison just for expressing rightwing views. Chaim is a threat to his rule in Israel, because Chaim would start a movement that would remove him and the other socialists from power.

This insane masochistic, suicidal political correctness must be stopped. We are giving our enemies rights that we do not even give to our loyal citizens and this goes for Israel, America and the entire West.

Our corrupt, traitorous leaders must be replaced once and for all.

These accounts above should now make it clear to all our readers the level of corruption inside the Israeli government. It should also expose those who are acting against Jewish interests. What we must ask is WHY.

Why are they denying a Jew a return to his homeland?

The truth is that Chaim is being denied Aliyah because he has acted honourably to save Jewish lives and he paid the price for it. Chaim has sacrificed his own freedom in order that others could be free to make Aliyah.

Sharansky himself a Russian Jew should know and act better than that. But he chose to side with evil and we must never forget that.

Neither should we forget that Netanyahu has ignored his plight, while at the same time he continues to forge relationships with "Palestinian" Arab terrorists.

So we ask all our readers to please contact the Israeli government, principally Mr. Sharansky and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and demand Chaim be allowed to make Aliyah, for he is a Jewish hero who saved over 1.5 million Russian Jews' lives.

If you do not get a response, chase for one. Keep on writing and demanding an answer. We simply cannot allow these so-called representatives of the Jewish people to act against Jewish interests. If they do not reply, and keep on ignoring our messages, we must write in demand of their resignation for they can no longer represent us.

Chaim is the director of the Jewish Task Force in America, and HaYamin HaAmiti in Israel.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Yerusha on May 30, 2014, 10:04:28 AM
It'll be interesting to see if Libby Kahane mentions Chaim's name even once in the pending volume II of her husband's biography.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: eb22 on May 30, 2014, 10:39:48 AM
http://www.jdl-uk.org/2012/07/chaim-ben-pesach-jewish-hero-forbidden.html

Thanks for all of your efforts!

G-d Bless you and the entire JDL-UK!
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: eb22 on May 30, 2014, 10:42:59 AM
It'll be interesting to see if Libby Kahane mentions Chaim's name even once in the pending volume II of her husband's biography.

Regardless,  it's not going to change the fact that Chaim's efforts helped free multitudes of Soviet Jews,  Chaim sacrificed 5 1/2 years of his life in prison for his heroic efforts with JDL,  and Chaim is banned to even visit Israel because of his heroic efforts.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: ChabadKahanist on May 30, 2014, 11:21:57 AM
Actually there is a way,have him go to Egypt & then have Bedouins have him smuggled into Tel Aviv.
Once in Tel Aviv make a beeline to the embassy & he can renounce his US citizenship.
Just like the Black Hebrews they won't be able to throw him out,because of statelessness.
There are a few other ways I can think of but not in here where everybody can see .
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 30, 2014, 02:44:24 PM
Actually there is a way,have him go to Egypt & then have Bedouins have him smuggled into Tel Aviv.
Once in Tel Aviv make a beeline to the embassy & he can renounce his US citizenship.
Just like the Black Hebrews they won't be able to throw him out,because of statelessness.
There are a few other ways I can think of but not in here where everybody can see .

Chaim follows the laws otherwise his presence can be seen as illegitimate.  He wants to create a mass movement in Israel and to be a part of it without any discredit.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Every Jew AK47 on May 30, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Actually there is a way,have him go to Egypt & then have Bedouins have him smuggled into Tel Aviv.
Once in Tel Aviv make a beeline to the embassy & he can renounce his US citizenship.
Just like the Black Hebrews they won't be able to throw him out,because of statelessness.
There are a few other ways I can think of but not in here where everybody can see .

Can a person with a felony on his record get into Egypt??   A guy with connections like Chaim probably would have better ways of getting into Israel than being smuggled in by Bedouins anyhow.. LOL  ::)
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: ChabadKahanist on May 31, 2014, 02:33:07 PM
Can a person with a felony on his record get into Egypt??   A guy with connections like Chaim probably would have better ways of getting into Israel than being smuggled in by Bedouins anyhow.. LOL  ::)
Probably not,the Sudanese & Etrieans do it all the time.
I agree surely there must be better ways & I am thinking about how.
There are a few ways that are 100 % legal but I would rather not post it in public.
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: Yerusha on June 01, 2014, 04:58:43 AM
Tehillim 2 describes the future opposition by both Jews & Gentiles to the Moshiach, whom they will try & assassinate, including even by Orthodox Jews.

"The biggest Jewish enemy of the Jewish People is the State of Israel. In order for the People of Israel to survive, the State of Israel as it is currently constituted must be demolished!" (Prof Paul Eidelberg).

Hopefully he means only its institutions, and not it physically.

Until that demolishment by the L-rd, neither Chaim nor the Moshiach in the current State of Israel have a chance, and would be beaten up/arrested/deported or gunned down on sight!
Title: Re: Chaim ben Pesach a Jewish hero forbidden to make Aliyah
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on June 01, 2014, 10:55:18 PM
excellent