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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on October 30, 2012, 10:12:56 PM
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It is extremely rare for JTF to support a Democrat for Congress. The Democrat party is evil, immoral, traitorous and anti-Semitic. But there are rare instances where the Republican candidate is so terrible that the Democrat is actually the lesser of the evils.
Such is the case in New York's Sixth Congressional District where Democrat Assemblywoman Grace Meng is running against Republican Councilman Dan Halloran.
Meng is running as a loyal Democrat. Which means she supports Barack Hussein Obama. So obviously we dislike her immensely.
But Halloran is far worse. He supported the Muslim-loving Nazi Ron Paul for president. The same Ron Paul who said he has no problem with Muslim terrorist Iran developing nuclear bombs. The same Ron Paul who told his main staff assistant that Israel should be destroyed. The same Ron Paul who compared Israel to the Nazis and who defended Hamas Muslim terrorists in an interview on official Iranian terrorist television. The same Ron Paul who as the Libertarian candidate for president in 1988 ran on a platform of completely open borders which would lead to the immediate takeover of the United States by Third World immigrants.
As if that's not bad enough, Halloran was raised as a Catholic but decided to become an Odinist, the pagan religion of Hitler and the German Nazis. Here is how Halloran describes his beliefs: "We believe in and honor the Gods and Goddesses of the North, spirits of the land, and the memories of our ancestors...It is our hope to reconstruct the pre-Christian religion of the Germanic branch of the Indo-European peoples, within a cultural framework and community environment."
No wonder Halloran supports the Nazi Ron Paul and is running as the Libertarian party candidate in addition to disgracefully getting the Republican nomination.
There is no doubt that under these circumstances, we should vote for Grace Meng on November 6. We should split our vote: Mitt Romney for president and Grace Meng for Congress.
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Ron would destroy this economy in several weeks: army first, teachers, law enforcement, give in to mexican drug lords, and many other things he would do to destroy us.
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What's the difference between supporting a white Anti-Semite like Ron Paul and a black one like Barack Hussein Obama?
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Yimach shemo to that Odinist beast.
Also, not that this is relevant, but Grace Meng is a really lovely lady. Maybe the looks factor will get her into office.
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I know Grace Meng's husband.
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Wow, an Odinist; very freaky.
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I am against him because he is a ron paul type. But belonging to that religion is not a good reason to think he's a nazi. The nazis were also into Christianity, the Vedic scriptures, animal rights, and all kinds of stuff. How many Jews were killed in the name of Odin?
youtu.be/Y_e8WO7FdoU
Also I just found this: http://5tjt.com/?p=8392
We as the voters of the new 6th Congressional District need to compare the two candidates and see who would best represent our interests in Congress.
1. Yeshiva parents are unfairly subject to double taxation. We are required to pay taxes to support a public-school system that our children cannot attend. We are then forced to shell out tens of thousands of dollars in tuition for the right of our children to be educated in a Torah environment. Grace Meng, the Democratic candidate, is against school vouchers for yeshiva parents. Dan Halloran, the Republican candidate, has pledged to fight in Congress for school vouchers for yeshiva parents.
2. Grace Meng voted to make gay marriage legal in New York State. Dan Halloran has always been on record as being against gay marriage.
3. Grace Meng is pro-abortion. Dan Halloran is pro-life.
4. Grace Meng thinks President Barack Hussein Obama is pro-Israel. Dan Halloran knows that Obama is no friend of Israel.
5. Grace Meng was endorsed by Ed Koch, an avid Obama supporter, whose allegiance is to the moment. Dan Halloran has been endorsed by numerous top Israeli officials, including two Deputy Speakers of the Israeli Knesset.
6. Grace Meng’s sister is an anti-Semite. Grace Meng did not disavow her sister or her malicious comments. She gave the standard “I have many Jewish friends” speech.
7. Grace Meng believes that peace can be had with the Palestinians. Dan Halloran has seen firsthand what peace with the Palestinians is all about.
8. Grace Meng believes in the Democratic fiscal irresponsibility that has brought this country to financial ruin. Dan Halloran believes that the budget must be balanced, we must take financial responsibility for future generations, and we must cut regulations that stifle our businesses.
9. Grace Meng supports the budget-busting Obamacare which would bankrupt this nation and destroy the best medical care system in the world. Dan Halloran wants to repeal Obamacare and work for a real resolution to the health-care crisis.
10. Grace Meng’s father was arrested for wire fraud and accepting an $85,000 payoff in a fruit basket. Prior to this arrest he had to resign from the New York State Assembly because of voter fraud. Grace Meng’s father was her main fundraiser in the Democratic Party primary election; he was her confidant and main political adviser. Grace Meng is quoted as saying that she learned everything from her father’s hard work. Dan Halloran is a former police officer, his two brothers are firefighters, and his family has a long tradition of service to New York City going back five generations.
11. Grace Meng wants to have the federal government cut off aid to the NYPD because it spied on Muslim terrorists in mosques. Dan Halloran knows that 17 separate attacks have been stopped by the NYPD’s vigilance and intelligence-gathering activities.
12. Dan Halloran was the only one of 51 members of the New York City Council to oppose the “Ground Zero mosque” (the Park51 Islamic center near the World Trade Center).
Who is the right candidate for our community, for the 6th district of New York?
I must admit I'm having second thoughts. I mean, shouldn't #2 and #3 alone be enough?
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I say it doesn't matter because Meng will get all of the Asian vote. Half of Queens is majority Asian they do vote for their own. Chaim What do you know about Eric Ulrich? Where I live a lot of Jewish stores has his banners up
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How about a third party protest vote if there is any?
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I am against him because he is a ron paul type. But belonging to that religion is not a good reason to think he's a nazi. The nazis were also into Christianity, the Vedic scriptures, animal rights, and all kinds of stuff. How many Jews were killed in the name of Odin?
youtu.be/Y_e8WO7FdoU
Also I just found this: http://5tjt.com/?p=8392
We as the voters of the new 6th Congressional District need to compare the two candidates and see who would best represent our interests in Congress.
1. Yeshiva parents are unfairly subject to double taxation. We are required to pay taxes to support a public-school system that our children cannot attend. We are then forced to shell out tens of thousands of dollars in tuition for the right of our children to be educated in a Torah environment. Grace Meng, the Democratic candidate, is against school vouchers for yeshiva parents. Dan Halloran, the Republican candidate, has pledged to fight in Congress for school vouchers for yeshiva parents.
2. Grace Meng voted to make gay marriage legal in New York State. Dan Halloran has always been on record as being against gay marriage.
3. Grace Meng is pro-abortion. Dan Halloran is pro-life.
4. Grace Meng thinks President Barack Hussein Obama is pro-Israel. Dan Halloran knows that Obama is no friend of Israel.
5. Grace Meng was endorsed by Ed Koch, an avid Obama supporter, whose allegiance is to the moment. Dan Halloran has been endorsed by numerous top Israeli officials, including two Deputy Speakers of the Israeli Knesset.
6. Grace Meng’s sister is an anti-Semite. Grace Meng did not disavow her sister or her malicious comments. She gave the standard “I have many Jewish friends” speech.
7. Grace Meng believes that peace can be had with the Palestinians. Dan Halloran has seen firsthand what peace with the Palestinians is all about.
8. Grace Meng believes in the Democratic fiscal irresponsibility that has brought this country to financial ruin. Dan Halloran believes that the budget must be balanced, we must take financial responsibility for future generations, and we must cut regulations that stifle our businesses.
9. Grace Meng supports the budget-busting Obamacare which would bankrupt this nation and destroy the best medical care system in the world. Dan Halloran wants to repeal Obamacare and work for a real resolution to the health-care crisis.
10. Grace Meng’s father was arrested for wire fraud and accepting an $85,000 payoff in a fruit basket. Prior to this arrest he had to resign from the New York State Assembly because of voter fraud. Grace Meng’s father was her main fundraiser in the Democratic Party primary election; he was her confidant and main political adviser. Grace Meng is quoted as saying that she learned everything from her father’s hard work. Dan Halloran is a former police officer, his two brothers are firefighters, and his family has a long tradition of service to New York City going back five generations.
11. Grace Meng wants to have the federal government cut off aid to the NYPD because it spied on Muslim terrorists in mosques. Dan Halloran knows that 17 separate attacks have been stopped by the NYPD’s vigilance and intelligence-gathering activities.
12. Dan Halloran was the only one of 51 members of the New York City Council to oppose the “Ground Zero mosque” (the Park51 Islamic center near the World Trade Center).
Who is the right candidate for our community, for the 6th district of New York?
I must admit I'm having second thoughts. I mean, shouldn't #2 and #3 alone be enough?
Ron Nazi Paul and Fag Buchanus claim to be pro-Israel, too.
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Ron Nazi Paul and Fag Buchanus claim to be pro-Israel, too.
I just think it makes our movement look bad for us to encourage voting for a candidate who supports gay marriage, baby killing, income redistribution, and Obama just to beat a guy we've jumped to conclusions about. I'm with Confererate Kahanist on this one. There must be an alternative.
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It appears that Halloran has done the requisite visit and pronouncements concerning Israel. I remember I reposted this at the time and was informed about his paganism and his other issues. But let us look at what he has said concerning Israel:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160715#.UJGaUYqPWqo
Pro-Israel Dan Halloran Candidate 6th Con. District, Queens, NY
Interview with Dan Halloran, Republican and Libertarian ticket for the 6th Conressional district in Queens and staunchly pro-Israel.
Fern Sidman, A7 NY Cor.
Attempting to wage a campaign for a congressional seat as a Republican and Libertarian in a solid blue state can be a daunting challenge for anyone, but it appears that a possible GOP star is on the horizon for voters in the newly districted 6th congressional district in Queens.
Dan Halloran, a 40-year old resident of Northeast Queens who was elected to represent the residents of College Point, Auburndale-Flushing, Bayside, Whitestone, Bay Terrace, Douglaston, and Little Neck in 2009 as a member of the New York City Council in the 19th district, is running in the current election. He is supported by former NY Mayor Giuliani.
Having been raised in a "traditional Irish household", opting to enter the political arena came quite naturally to Halloran. Since the 1800s his family has dedicated themselves to public service and Halloran represents the fifth generation of those who continue to do so. He is especially proud of the fact that many in his family have been New York City police officers and firefighters.
After earning his law degree from St. John's University, Halloran worked as a prosecutor in several District Attorneys' offices before entering private practice as a lawyer in a firm with offices in Queens and Long Island. He has been of counsel to the New York City Patrolman's Benevolent Association (PBA), worked on the Felony Panel of the 18B Assigned Counsel Plan of New York City, and is a Court Designated Referee in the Queens Supreme Court.
Halloran takes issue with the Obama administration on a variety of fronts.
On President Obama's Middle Eastern foreign policy trajectory, Halloran does not equivocate as he vocalizes his staunch opposition. "I am both gravely concerned and incensed that our president has repeatedly apologized for the role of the United States in terms of the relationship with Muslim countries. He behaves as if we are responsible for the animus that the Arab world has for the US and the entire Western world.
"President Obama supported the 'Arab Spring'; was instrumental in the ouster of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and was directly involved along with NATO forces to in the downfall of Libya's Qaddafi. It is clear to me that we're now paying the price as we've witnessed the insidious rise of Islamic radicalism in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and elsewhere. This point really hit home when on September 11th of this year, the world stood in shock and horror as the results of the heinous murder of Ambassador Stevens and other courageous Americans in Benghazi flashed before us on our television screens".
Halloran adds, "I lost my cousin, FDNY Lt. Vincent Halloran, in the Towers on 9/11. Like all New Yorkers, I will never forget."
Halloran claims that President Obama's recent refusal to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the escalating Iranian nuclear arms program is just the tip of the iceberg. "The fact that President Obama was too busy campaigning and appearing on talk shows and couldn't make enough time to meet with the Israeli prime minister to discuss placing 'red lines' on the Iranian nuclear enrichment program speaks volumes."
Halloran doesn't just talk about Israel. He went on a fact-finding, "first-hand look" trip to Israel this summer. He was accompanied by Dr. Joe Frager, Chairman of the Board of the International Committee for the Land of Israel (ICLI), Dr. Paul Brody, Vice President, ICLI, Asher Taub, Esq. and media personality Zev Brenner.
Halloran says that this subject "deserves the highest degree of gravitas as a nuclear powered Iran imperils not only Israel but the US as well." While maintaining that US military interventiont "is always a final option" he insists that "it must remain on the table." He adds that, "By not agreeing to meet with Mr. Netanyahu, the President is extending his tacit approval to Iran to keep those centrifuges spinning.
"Israel is the closest friend and the most loyal ally that the United States has. It is a true beacon of freedom and is a shining paradigm of our shared democratic values. Placing daylight between our two countries, as President Obama has, displays a callous indifference to our national security," he said.
"President Obama has consistently attempted to define the terms of peace between Israel and the Palestinians based on the suicidal 1967 borders. He continues to spew forth the patently false and ridiculous notion that 350,000 Jewish settlers in Judea and Samaria are the obstacle to peace in that region."
"This kind of mendacity must be challenged in Congress", promising his constituents that if elected to Congress, he "would be on the floor of the House of Representatives telling the President that rather than compelling Israel to cease building legitimate housing units for their citizens in East Jerusalem, he should be pressuring the Palestinians to publicly recognize Israel as the one and only Jewish state. Rather than sending economic aid to the Hamas led Palestinian Authority in what is called the West Bank and Gaza, the President should be moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and should declare to the world that the US gives full recognition to Jerusalem as the eternal and undivided capital of the Jewish state."
As domestic issues continue to dominate the agenda in this year's election season, Halloran turns to middle class Americans. "For the last 43 months, the unemployment rate has been over 8 percent and that is totally unaccceptable. We’re in the grips of the greatest job crisis since the Great Depression. And President Obama and the Democrats have failed miserably at creating jobs and getting our economy back on its feet.
"One-third of the automobile industry jobs are being shipped overseas. Property values are still down while bureaucratic red tape, massive government regulations, taxes and fines continue to increase. I’m a former small business owner and I know that small businesses are the engine that drives our economy."
Halloran says that the small business owner is being strangled by taxes on the federal, state and local levels and their plight is growing increasingly worse as they are being backed against the wall with the impending exorbitant costs of ObamaCare, which will force them to cut jobs.
"I know what it takes to get people back to work," says Halloran. "We need to cut taxes on middle-class people and we need to flatten out the tax code and implement a tier structure. We must dramatically reduce federal regulations that make it so difficult to start a business and make payroll. In Washington, I will fight for the small business owners and job creators by cutting taxes and fees, balancing our budget, and promoting the pro-growth policies that made America the world’s leading economy."
Halloran also takes on the conundrum of healthcare reform as he says, "Despite the ruling of the US Supreme Court, I still believe that ObamaCare is unconstitutional as it violates the commerce clause of the constitution. It is a stunning expanse of government into the most personal life decisions made by Americans and a step toward socialized medicine.
"Medicare is being raided to the tune of 716 billion dollars. While comprehensive healthcare reform is needed, we don't need to declare war on our seniors by taking this money from Medicare to pay for the out of control spending that ObamaCare will demand. Just bear in mind that in order to pay for his healthcare plan, the President has raised taxes by $500 billion on middle-class families."
Americans need "freedom in their choice of health providers", Halloran says, adding that the free market will ensure that costs are kept down while research and development can flourish. "Our health care system isn’t perfect", says Halloran but it is "the envy of the world".
Halloran says that "government role's as a safety net should continue for those who are in need, but it should never be interpreted as a replacement for economic stability, American ingenuity and hard work."
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Wiki page provides some insights:
Dan Halloran (born March 16, 1972)[1] is a Republican member of the New York City Council. He was also endorsed by the Libertarian, Independence and Conservative parties[2] in his 2009 election to the New York City Council. He represents nerarly 200,000 residents of New York City in the 19th Council District, of Queens. Elected on November 3, 2009,[3] he succeeded Tony Avella, who made a failed bid to become the Democratic nominee for mayor. As of 2009 he was reportedly the highest-elected person to have run on the Libertarian Party line in the United States.[4][citation needed] [5] In September 2010, he was named one of City Hall's "40 under 40" for being a young influential member of New York City politics.[6]
Halloran sits on the Fire & Criminal Justice, Public Safety, Land Use (including Landmarks, Public Siting & Maritime Uses sub-committee), Public Housing, and Mental Health, Mental Retardation, Alcoholism, Drug Abuse and Disability Services committees.[7]
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Halloran is a registered lifelong Republican, a fiscal conservative and libertarian. He opposes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, best known as "Obamacare".[10] He has appeared as a regular commentator on the Strategy Room on Fox News[11] where he has discussed matters ranging from Healthcare reform to government spending, off-shore oil exploration, and other conservative and libertarian principles.[12]
He was purportedly asked to run for U.S. Congress in the 2010 election cycle in the 5th District of New York by Republican, Libertarian, and Conservative leaders.[13] Despite being courted by the NRCC and Congressman Peter King to run, he withdrew from consideration citing the economic crisis in the New York City and state budgets and the need to set the city's finances in order before he could consider taking on a run for any other office.[14]
Halloran, whose cousin, Lieutenant Vincent G. Halloran, an FDNY First Responder, died on 9/11,[15] became the first elected official in New York City to publicly criticize the Park51 Cordoba House project near Ground Zero of the World Trade Center site, stating: "If we want a nation of peace ... then peace comes with understanding. And they need to understand that this is sacred ground to New Yorkers."[16] "New York City is the greatest city in the world [a place of religious tolerance, but that tolerance] starts when you say 'I understand your pain, and I am not going to inflict more on you'", he added, describing Ground Zero as "sacred ground to New Yorkers".[17]
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RELIGION
Halloran's study of Norsemen and Viking archaeology and field research in Ireland led him to develop an interest in Germanic mythology and lore, and eventually to Theodism,[10] which has attracted widespread attention. He is a member of the New Normannii Reik, a branch of Heathenism.[19] The Village Voice described Halloran as "America's First Elected Heathen";[20] another Reconstructionist Neopagan adherent, Jessica Orsini (who is Hellenic), had previously been elected to the city council of Centralia, Missouri in 2006.[21]
His religion became an issue during the campaign after it was revealed that he was an adherent of Theodism. On his group's website, Halloran offered the following descriptions of his beliefs: "We believe in and honor the Gods and Goddesses of the North, spirits of the land, and the memories of our ancestors"[8] and described his group as "a cultural, religious and martial organization; dedicated to reviving the folkways of the Norman peoples of Northern Europe."[22] Odin, Tyr and Freyr are among the deities worshipped by the group. Halloran also stated that "It is our hope to reconstruct the pre-Christian religion of the Germanic branch of the Indo-European peoples, within a cultural framework and community environment." When asked about his beliefs, Halloran said "I was raised a Roman Catholic[19] right here in Auburndale. I was baptized into the Catholic Church and took my confirmation at 13. I attended Jesuit schools. Then and now, faith is a cornerstone of my life." Halloran served as legal counsel and incorporating attorney for the New York City Pagan Pride Project.[19]
State Senator Frank Padavan stated he felt Halloran's religion should not be an issue: "We have every religion under the sun in this district ... It's all here; so what? As long as everybody is properly motivated, so be it." These sentiments were echoed by the Queens County Republican Party chairman, Phil Ragusa, who additionally described Halloran as "a traditional person" and "a regular guy".[8] Halloran has lectured and discussed his theology on a national level.[10]
The Village Voice reported on Halloran's two years in office in the paper's November 30 – December 6, 2011 edition in a report entitled "Odin Himself Might Have Had A Hard Time Predicting Dan Halloran's Strange Career On New York's City Council". The report pointed out that when Halloran was elected in an off-year campaign, he was the "'First Atheling' or prince, of his own Theodish tribe, called New Normandy. He had 'thralls' who swore their allegiance to him ... he led his flock, about 100 people at its height, in their polytheistic celebration of the gods".[23] However, on election night, November 4, 2009, Halloran thanked his law partner, promising "The next time you give me advice to take a website down, I'll do it", referring to the now defunct New Normandy website, which had contained "images of Halloran in medieval garb, hoisting drinking horns and other regalia that he [Halloran] had apparently found embarrassing."[23]
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The district has many Orthodox Jewish voters. So Halloran has to say he is pro-Israel. Even the Muslim Jew-hater Barack Hussein Obama claims to be pro-Israel when he tries to get Jewish support. The Nazi swine Jimmy Carter also pretended to be pro-Israel when he sought Jewish votes in 1976. Halloran must win the Orthodox Jewish vote to get elected. Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly for Mitt Romney and against Obama. So Halloran is fooling them by claiming to be a pro-Israel conservative Republican - which is what most Orthodox Jews want to support. However, Halloran's claims are all a pathetic hoax.
Anyone who supports the Nazi Ron Paul for president is an enemy of Israel and the Jewish people. Anyone who supports the Jew-hating Libertarian party is an enemy of Israel and the Jewish people. And Odinists are Nazis. Only the most evil beasts would become members of this German Nazi pagan cult.
As far as the Democrat candidate Grace Meng is concerned, she is a typical New York Democrat. Which means she is an evil piece of garbage. However, if elected, she will be just like all of the other evil Democrat pieces of garbage in Congress. Just one more evil piece of garbage.
That's bad but if her Odinist Ron Paul opponent wins, it will be much worse. Because Halloran would be the first Odinist Ron Paul Congressman elected in the Northeast. That would give the Nazi Paulites a foothold in the Northeast and it would legitimize their evil movement. It would greatly help Rand Paul ys"v when he runs for president.
As far as Halloran's claim that he is pro-life or against gay marriage, that's also a hoax. The evil Libertarian party supports abortion and supports gay marriage. They also support legalizing all drugs, including heroin, cocaine and crack. They support open borders and mass Third World immigration into the U.S.
This Congressional district is less left-wing than the other districts in New York because of the Orthodox Jewish voters. John McCain got 45% of the vote in the district in 2008 - which is a lot by New York standards. In 2008, Obama got 63% of the vote in New York state and he got 81% of the vote in New York City. This Tuesday, it is very possible that Mitt Romney will carry the district because about a third of the voters are either Orthodox Jews or politically conservative Russian Jews.
So Halloran knows that to get Orthodox Jewish support, he has to pretend to be pro-life and against gay marriage. But those positions flatly contradict his libertarian and pagan Odinist philosophy.
Therefore, I believe that Grace Meng is the lesser of two evils. But, of course, we must never forget that the lesser of two evils is still evil.
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Chaim,
That is what I figured... After your explanation I understand why we should oppose his election.
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As far as Halloran's claim that he is pro-life or against gay marriage, that's also a hoax. The evil Libertarian party supports abortion and supports gay marriage. They also support legalizing all drugs, including heroin, cocaine and crack. They support open borders and mass Third World immigration into the U.S.
Bingo.
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This POS Halloran is about as Zionistic as Heinrich Himmler.
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Pre-Christian paganism was most certainly not pro-life. It involved human sacrifice. As much as modern pagans try to whitewash that, it's still true, and if they were able to get away with it, many of them would continue those practices today. Anybody who supports a return of the West to such an evil belief system can not be a good person.
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Pre-Christian paganism was most certainly not pro-life. It involved human sacrifice. As much as modern pagans try to whitewash that, it's still true, and if they were able to get away with it, many of them would continue those practices today. Anybody who supports a return of the West to such an evil belief system can not be a good person.
My worry is that other pagan religions get a pass. Good thing I don't live there. I just couldn't bring myself to vote at all. :P
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My worry is that other pagan religions get a pass. Good thing I don't live there. I just couldn't bring myself to vote at all. :P
Pagans are primitives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgOlqinH7A
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Let us pray this beast is defeated and has a heart attack.
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My beef with Halloran is that he is probably Arab / Muslim-loving and sees nothing wrong with Iran getting nuclear weapons just like Ron Paul and other Libertarians. I am still struggling with the question of which religions are ok and which are not and where you would rank having no religion at all.
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My beef with Halloran is that he is probably Arab / Muslim-loving and sees nothing wrong with Iran getting nuclear weapons just like Ron Paul and other Libertarians. I am still struggling with the question of which religions are ok and which are not and where you would rank having no religion at all.
Atheism is better than paganism, usually. I have known some people to call themselves atheists who don't believe in God or gods specifically but still work what they call practical magic spells, so they would obviously be the exception to the rule. Also Laveyan satanism is an atheist philosophy and obviously they're no good either.
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^ Well, what about native American religions? Are they ok?
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^ Well, what about native American religions? Are they ok?
There's too many of them to address them all in one sweeping generalization. Obviously some were worse than others. I will say that I strongly believe that morality and civilization comes from the Bible.
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^Does pagan mean not from the Bible? Also, are there any native American religions that you would consider to be Nazi religions?
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^Does pagan mean not from the Bible? Also, are there any native American religions that you would consider to be Nazi religions?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216380/British-Museums-Aztec-artefacts-evil-Nazi-lampshades-human-skin.html
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Unbelievable. But I am shure he will be defeated in election. This guy is simply nuts.
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Atheism is better than paganism, usually. I have known some people to call themselves atheists who don't believe in God or gods specifically but still work what they call practical magic spells, so they would obviously be the exception to the rule. Also Laveyan satanism is an atheist philosophy and obviously they're no good either.
Atheism has to be worst of all, right? If someone is an atheist, how could you trust them? They have no source for morality. What guarantee would you have that they would do the right thing when nobody is looking if they don't believe in an afterlife or a God who will judge them?
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There are a lot of Israelis that support Paul
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Atheism has to be worst of all, right? If someone is an atheist, how could you trust them? They have no source for morality. What guarantee would you have that they would do the right thing when nobody is looking if they don't believe in an afterlife or a God who will judge them?
Most atheists that grow up in Western societies tend to come from a base of Biblical morality to begin with, but it's very easy for them to drift away from it. Obviously a generally moral atheist is a better person than someone who actively cuts people's hearts out in tribute to a pagan deity. You also have to keep in mind we have had and still have some atheist JTF members who, in spite of not believing in God, still have some moral decency. Some are even socially conservative.
Most atheists when they speak about a basis for morality do so based on reciprocity. Basically if it hurts someone else and you wouldn't like it to be done to you, then you shouldn't do it. In theory this would lead to a very high level of consideration for others. In reality though, this falls apart very quickly.
I've spent a lot of time online with atheists in various forums and I've seen a lot of videos by them where they make their different arguments and points.
I found that they justify abortion by saying that a human fetus can't have any more awareness than say, a cow or a pig, and we kill those all the time for human convenience. And so they feel that there's no moral difference between slaughtering a developing human baby and slaughtering a pig. They often can't be convinced that there's anything special or unique about human beings because they don't believe, of course, that humans are created in God's image. They also don't necessarily believe that a human being should have more consideration than any of our other fellow beings on this planet.
They usually think that when people die there is no afterlife. They see us as individual units that are only survival machines for our genetic material. People are born, they live a while and might reproduce, then they die. According to atheism there is no higher purpose other than what humans make themselves. And so when someone is sick, old, or
otherwise nearing the end of their life, there's no reason within atheism why a person shouldn't be euthanized in the same way that a dog or a cat should be euthanized out of kindness. They also would see nothing wrong with assisted suicide. After all the person's going to die anyway and their individual life or human status has no special value in atheism.
Reverence for human life is seen as some form of superstition.
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Most atheists when they speak about a basis for morality do so based on reciprocity. Basically if it hurts someone else and you wouldn't like it to be done to you, then you shouldn't do it. In theory this would lead to a very high level of consideration for others. In reality though, this falls apart very quickly.
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Shalom Rubystars,
I am going to make a point which I hope doesn't contradict your point, because I don't intend it to and I would like to build on what you said in light of the Torah portion we read today {Parasha Vayeira}.
It is a basic Jewish principle, according to the great Jewish sage of the Talmudic period {The Great Hillel} that a primary rule of the Torah is 'Do not do to others what you would not want done to yourself.". Hillel expounded this wisdom to an impatient person who wanted to convert to Judaism, when asked to teach him the entire Torah while standing on one foot.
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/ahavas-yisroel/08.htm
The Torah on One Foot
The Talmud in tractate Shabbos 31a relates the following well-known story of Hillel:
"On another occasion it happened that a certain heathen came before Shammai and said to him, "Make me a proselyte, on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot."[1] Thereupon he chased him away with the builder's cubit that was in his hand.[2] When he came before Hillel, (he also asked Hillel to teach him the entire Torah while standing on one foot) Hillel replied, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah while the rest is commentary; go and learn it."[3]
While it is clearly suggested in the Talmud that ahavas Yisrael is the entire Torah and the rest is commentary, this statement of Hillel requires clarification.
It is well known that the 613 Commandments may broadly be divided into two categories: between man and G-d, and between man and man. The mitzvah of ahavas Yisrael is obviously fundamental in the realm of mitzvos between man and man; however, how can it be suggested that it is the entire Torah - that it also applies to mitzvos between man and G-d?
My second idea is that I agree with your premise that atheism leads to depravity. This is something I mediated on concerning the great sin of the cities of the plain, Sodom & Gommorah which were destroyed for their grave mistreatment of the poor and the wayfarer. The cities were entirely 'ethical' according to their own twisted 'ethics'. Their laws and their statutes were established in order to aggrieve the less fortunate, and the infirm and the youth. It was established by their system of society and taught in their schools, much like the atheist beliefs which are being pushed in some schools. The belief that the government owes them contraception paid for by the taxpayer. The belief that a human life can be extinguished before it is born without concern for its well-being. I take the Orthodox Jewish belief that there are exceptions when the fetus should be aborted, but it should not be used as a form of contraception nor should it be allowed once the fetus takes on human life {this can be debated between the scientists}.
We cannot allow the morality of Sodom & Gommorah to become dominant in this country. While I still have faith that there are at least '10 righteous people' in America {and I would be willing to wager that there are at least 50 righteous people in America}. This argument, about how many righteous people exist, is exactly what our father Abraham argued with Hashem when asking him to spare the cities of the plain.... We known how it ended up...
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Totally off-topic, but I would like to relate a Talmud Pirkie Avot which relates to the mentality of the Sodomites.
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter5-13.html
It's Not My Problem -- Or Is It?
Chapter 5, Mishna 13
By Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld
"There are four character types among people. One who says, 'What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours' is of average character, and some say, this is the character of Sodom. [One who says] 'What's mine is yours and what's yours is mine' is unlearned (lit., [of] the people of the land). [One who says] 'What's mine is yours and what's yours is yours' is pious. [One who says] 'What's yours is mine and what's mine is mine' is wicked."
This mishna compares four types of individuals in their attitude towards others. The most straightforward of the two are the pious and wicked ones. Whereas the pious one gives to others asking for nothing in return, the wicked one tries to get what he can with no reciprocation on his part.
Slightly more complex is the "unlearned" person. He is generous towards others yet hopes to receive in return. He is basically a good-hearted person who cares about others. The commentator Rabbeinu Yonah observes that our mishna calls him an "am ha'aretz," which literally means one of the "nation of the land." This expression is often translated as an ignoramus (it's tossed around quite freely nowadays), but more precisely, it means someone who is a full-fledged member of society --- and generally a productive and contributing one. He realizes people must do favors for one another and cannot live as islands. And he does his part to make life more livable for all he comes in contact with. Yet he is not entirely selfless. He hopes to receive as well as give. His interest in himself -- equally strong as his interest in others -- indicates that he does not see giving as a virtue in its own right but weighs relationships in terms of his own bottom line. He displays an ignorance as to the true value of giving. Nevertheless, he has a true Jewish heart -- he's one of us -- and through his acts of generosity he may one day become a person of truly giving spirit.
The final person (actually the first one listed) is one who neither gives nor takes. He is the subject of dispute in our mishna. The first opinion is that he is average, neither good nor evil. We may see him as the secular concept of a good person, crudely -- but accurately -- do whatever you want so long it doesn't hurt anyone else. Neither hurting nor helping others cannot be characterized as good nor evil. I do not wish the harm of others, neither do I care to help them. This is certainly secular: it lacks the religious sense of duty towards mankind, yet neither can it truly be considered evil. Perhaps it is the highest form of morality the secular world has to offer. And at least in a sense, it wouldn't seem that bad a way to go.
The second opinion takes a much harsher stance, comparing such a person to the wicked people of Sodom. Now certainly this fellow could stand to improve and ought to have a stronger sense of obligation towards mankind. Yet how does his evil even approximate the depravity of Sodom -- which G-d deemed so vile as to destroy the very land upon which it rested?
There's a fascinating passage in the Talmud (Sanhedrin 109a) which describes the mentality of the Sodomites. (In fact we see parallels to it in some of the strict immigration laws of more recent times.) What brought the Sodomites to such repugnant evil? The answer in a word was that they saw the lushness of their own land and desired it for themselves. And so, they banned all travelers and visitors. (Today, after its destruction (Genesis 19), it is the area of the Dead Sea, one of the most barren and uninhabitable places in the world.) Why share our richness with anyone else? As soon as you "make it," the shnorers (more respectfully: "fund-raisers") line up at your door. Who needs it? Not of course that they intended anyone else *harm* to be sure. They just wanted the comfortable life for themselves. "No Solicitors" figured prominently at the gates of their city (a rather common sight nowadays -- although most of the time the newly-arrived Israeli "solicitor" has no idea what the word means...). We wish you all the best, but keep your suffering and misery to yourselves!
Step two, continues the Talmud, the Sodomites enacted all sorts of cruel as well as absurd laws banning hospitality and charity, and doing away with all semblance of fair play. No one had any form of obligation towards others or was required to pay for any infraction. The Talmud lists such laws as that if one would hit his fellow, his fellow would owe *him* medical expenses for the service of blood-letting. Other choice rulings were that if A would cut off the ear of B's donkey, A would keep the donkey till it grew back, or if A would injure B's wife causing her to miscarry, A would take her till she again became pregnant.
The people of Sodom likewise decreed punishments for acts of charity. The Talmud records that when a young girl gave some bread to a poor person, they punished her by smearing her flesh with honey and tying her up on a roof, leaving her to die a horrific death at the hands of the bees. (The Sages state that it was this final breach of humanity which sealed the fate of these G-dless and despicable people.)
How did simple selfishness transform itself into such vicious as well as asinine cruelty? Simple -- it was not a transformation at all. They simply lived out their own selfishness to its logical conclusion. They didn't want to share, they wanted to live for themselves -- and so naturally they went to any and all extremes to free themselves of the burdens of hospitality and humanity -- as well as all moral accountability.
And the lesson for us is that there is simply no such thing as a person who focuses wholly on himself yet is still an "average" individual. If we accept that all humans are created in G-d's image, we will naturally feel obligated to help them and will share in their suffering. We might even see our wealth and talents as a responsibility: as gifts from G-d to be used in the manner He wishes. Once humans are in G-d's image, they are all equal, significant, and deserving of our love and respect.
If, however, a person feels others' problems are not his problems, his life will be one of selfishness and unlimited cruelty. He will sleep easily at night, blissfully unconcerned with the suffering of others; in fact he will go to any extreme to see that their plight does not interfere with his personal comfort and equanimity. On a national level, it is difficult for the isolationist mentality of "It's not our problem" to avoid spilling over into the national character of a country's citizens. (Such an attitude could not be more UN-Jewish, incidentally -- even if no one has the means of saving the entire world.) On a personal level, someone who thinks exclusively about himself has not reached the maturity of character required for friendship, marriage, or any type of serious relationship. Such a person will begin to see others as objects -- pawns to be used for his own selfish ends, then to be discarded when no longer useful.
(This also explains why among other things Sodom was known for sodomy. Relationships are one-way. Love is not giving: creating and becoming responsible for a family. It is taking: getting whatever sick pleasure I fancy.)
The sad but realistic conclusion is that one cannot "basically be a good person" if his raison d'etre is selfish. If we're really generous, neither hurting nor helping others can be considered "average." But average people -- if they do nothing to elevate their souls -- will not long remain so. You either grow or you fortify yourself in your mediocrity -- going to every cruel excess to remain oblivious to the rest of mankind. Without a sense of love of and appreciation for others, refusal to help will turn into a lack of concern and eventually an icy callousness towards the needs and suffering of others. Goodness cannot be defined in a vacuum. If you care about and sympathize with others, you are a human being yourself. If you are a person who at best chooses not to hurt others (because -- well, otherwise they might hurt you), your life is one of survival and self-preservation -- and ultimately of pathetic emptiness.
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Muman of course they are right that reciprocity is very important. Christians as well as Jews see that as a very important aspect of morality. We should always keep that in mind when interacting with other people. We should also show respect to God's other creatures and not abuse them in any way. After all we would not want to be abused.
However the atheists think of this disconnected from any kind of guidelines. Reciprocity is all they go by pretty much to base their morals on. Reciprocity works to a point, but it doesn't work well for long when it's detached from any other guide and detached from a belief in God. Reciprocity doesn't prohibit gay relations for example because if both partners are willing, the atheist would see this as moral based solely on reciprocity. Reciprocity alone doesn't prohibit something like cannibalism because after all if you eat someone who is dead they can't be suffering, and your eating them does them no further harm.
A morality based solely on reciprocity without Biblical guidelines or a belief in God can lead to all kinds of moral depravity.
Do you see what I'm trying to say now?
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No Halloran is an idiot but a pro Israel idiot.Weng has a sister who is a Jew hater while Halloran is fool but not a Israel or Jew Hater he's just not matured and thinks he's cool to believe in Theodism
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Most atheists that grow up in Western societies tend to come from a base of Biblical morality to begin with, but it's very easy for them to drift away from it. Obviously a generally moral atheist is a better person than someone who actively cuts people's hearts out in tribute to a pagan deity. You also have to keep in mind we have had and still have some atheist JTF members who, in spite of not believing in God, still have some moral decency. Some are even socially conservative.
Most atheists when they speak about a basis for morality do so based on reciprocity. Basically if it hurts someone else and you wouldn't like it to be done to you, then you shouldn't do it. In theory this would lead to a very high level of consideration for others. In reality though, this falls apart very quickly.
I've spent a lot of time online with atheists in various forums and I've seen a lot of videos by them where they make their different arguments and points.
I found that they justify abortion by saying that a human fetus can't have any more awareness than say, a cow or a pig, and we kill those all the time for human convenience. And so they feel that there's no moral difference between slaughtering a developing human baby and slaughtering a pig. They often can't be convinced that there's anything special or unique about human beings because they don't believe, of course, that humans are created in God's image. They also don't necessarily believe that a human being should have more consideration than any of our other fellow beings on this planet.
They usually think that when people die there is no afterlife. They see us as individual units that are only survival machines for our genetic material. People are born, they live a while and might reproduce, then they die. According to atheism there is no higher purpose other than what humans make themselves. And so when someone is sick, old, or
otherwise nearing the end of their life, there's no reason within atheism why a person shouldn't be euthanized in the same way that a dog or a cat should be euthanized out of kindness. They also would see nothing wrong with assisted suicide. After all the person's going to die anyway and their individual life or human status has no special value in atheism.
Reverence for human life is seen as some form of superstition.
At least Wiccans believe that what you do to others comes back to you 3-fold or 10-fold or something. And Hindus, Theodinists, and Asatruers believe in the possibility or reincarnation. What do atheists have over them?
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Pre-Christian paganism was most certainly not pro-life. It involved human sacrifice. As much as modern pagans try to whitewash that, it's still true, and if they were able to get away with it, many of them would continue those practices today. Anybody who supports a return of the West to such an evil belief system can not be a good person.
Why assume that he wants the West to return to his religion. If he were a Hindu, would we assume that he wants to make the West Hindu. And other more popular religions get away with white washing. For example, the practice of widow burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_%28practice%29). Maybe it is not white washing but reformation.
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I have heard Halloran speak before any of this, to small audience of about 15-20 people at the Women's Republican Club in NYC. He was an ARDENT zionist. He was absolutely against returning to the 1967 borders and called them "indefensible." I am surprised about this Ron Paul business because he SHOT down a Ron Paul person when it came to Foreign policy. I appreciate what Chaim and others are saying, and I may be totally wrong, but I listened to this guy for about an hour and everything he said would have appealed to us except the part about gays and abortion.
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Leveyan and Crowley were not part of certain groups, but they did a heck of a job making them look bad!
The Church of Satan, made use of a symbol, that made another organization look very bad!
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At least Wiccans believe that what you do to others comes back to you 3-fold or 10-fold or something. And Hindus, Theodinists, and Asatruers believe in the possibility or reincarnation. What do atheists have over them?
I've talked to quite a few Wiccans and other pagans too. The first thing you should know is that Wicca is a watered down, pansy version of witchcraft. It's something for novices who live in suburbia to dabble in to make themselves feel powerful and special. Wiccans get an immature thrill out of being rebellious against the greater Biblical influence of the West.
Historical pagans committed human sacrifice all over the globe. They sacrificed people to the sun, to the moon, to prevent natural disasters, to ensure a good harvest, and for other reasons. Modern pagans continue this tradition in Africa and other remote areas of the world. If you don't believe this then look up why albinos in Africa must fear for their lives.
Modern Wiccans claim to be all about loving nature, etc. That's only what's on the surface though. If you talk to them a while the truth comes out. They acknowledge that magic can be used for good or for evil, and that in fact these are just two sides of the same coin in their belief system, and that furthermore there is no "good" or "evil" in the way we would think of it. Most will initially claim that they believe that it's wrong to hex people or cast harmful spells, but most of them will admit eventually that they don't believe that it's wrong to hex certain people they would see as harmful. They will often gladly hex "Christian fundamentalists" or other people they see as "hateful".
The Wiccan rede also has its roots in much darker modern magic tradition. The Wiccans say "An it harm none, do what you will". This is a copying of Aleister Crowley's saying "Do what you will shall be the whole of the law". Without the Bible or any other type of moral guide beyond themselves, it's up to the individual Wiccan to decide for themselves what is "harmful". They are then free to hex those they see as worthy of it even when they claim they only use "white magic" and never hex anyone. There are some who move beyond Wicca into other things like chaos magic, practical magic, and even into black magic. All of these things have the same basic roots to them and aren't necessarily fundamentally different, though the Wiccan dabbler will often claim that they would never do anything dark or scary.
I've been asked a few times not to talk about Hindus so the only thing I will say in this post is that people have died being sacrificed to Kali and there's some stories that this still happens. There are many branches of Hinduism from secular to deeply religious too and so I can't really speak about them as if they were all the same. New agers and suburban pagans do seem to have a fascination with Hinduism though and eastern religions in general due to their strong rejection of Biblical traditions, so that's something to keep in mind.
Odinists and Asatru followers are honoring the same evil deities as the Thule society did. You can't honestly think that would lead to anything good.
At least atheists won't be sacrificing you to the sun or moon or putting a hex on you.
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[censored] THE THULE SOCIETY, AND THE GOLDEN DAWN. Don't even speak their names, that is the first and last time I do.
One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of those societies will have solar references somewhere. If something has a solar/sun etc. reference in it, that should throw up a red flag that it probably has something to do with paganism. Of course God is the one that created the sun and moon and we can admire them as God's creations, but I believe that it's evil to worship them or to give them honor in their own right in any way.
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I disagree. I live in the 6th Congressional District and intend to vote for Dan Halloran.
Our primary problem is Obama, who I believe will be re-elected. All of his initiatives must be opposed, especially the funding of the PLO and the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as his other attempts to harm little Israel. Grace Meng will support Obama to the hilt. Halloran, at least initially, will attempt to be a loyal Republican and oppose most if not all of Obama's initiatives.
The last thing we need is an Obama supporting liberal/radical democrat representing a district with a large jewish population. I don't like Halloran, but he is the only real choice here.
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I disagree. I live in the 6th Congressional District and intend to vote for Dan Halloran.
Our primary problem is Obama, who I believe will be re-elected. All of his initiatives must be opposed, especially the funding of the PLO and the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as his other attempts to harm little Israel. Grace Meng will support Obama to the hilt. Halloran, at least initially, will attempt to be a loyal Republican and oppose most if not all of Obama's initiatives.
The last thing we need is an Obama supporting liberal/radical democrat representing a district with a large jewish population. I don't like Halloran, but he is the only real choice here.
Do you need an outright Nazi representing a large Jewish population? You do realize that by following that religion that he aligns himself with the Nazi ideology, right? He supported Ron Paul for president, which, in spite of anything else he might say now to get elected, means that he supports Ron Paul's policies toward Israel.
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I do believe they worshiped the other dimensional black sun.
There's a lot of things tied to dichotomies in occultism. Black and white checkers, age and youth, dawn and dusk, night and day, male and female, positive and negative, sun and moon, Horus and Set, opposing elements, etc. So the fact that they would worship the inverse of the sun makes sense in that context.
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I hear both sides of this argument, but I would vote for Meng if I was in that district. Letting the "libertarian" Paultards plant their roots in a Jewish district of all places is a very dangerous thing, especially if the unthinkable happens and obama wins. Then we could see the nazi rand paul running for president.
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I hear both sides of this argument, but I would vote for Meng if I was in that district. Letting the "libertarian" Paultards plant their roots in a Jewish district of all places is a very dangerous thing, especially if the unthinkable happens and obama wins. Then we could see the nazi rand paul running for president.
That's a good point, especially since Rand puts on a more moderate mask than his father does, but we all know they're political clones.
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I can't believe that there are actually people defending an Asatru Nazi on a Kahanist Jewish forum.
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Interesting site: http://www.religioustolerance.org/asatru.htm
I've found that pagans find ways to square their seemingly evil pantheon of gods with today's common conception of morality and monotheism/atheism by saying that the gods really are just poetic ways of talking about various forces and human drives. They're basically saying, our religion is very complicated and you don't understand what we mean when we talk about "gods." It might be perceived by opponents as throwing up a smoke screen. For example, I got this response once when I was talking to a non-Christian about his religion:
H******* does not have a uniform belief, but rather includes elements of monotheism, polytheism, and even atheism – depending on the particular tradition and philosophy. Thus for the outsider it is difficult to assess whether our "gods" are names of the different powers of one central God, or are different spiritual being, angels, forces, etc., carrying out God's will.
Until and unless you know what H******* really is, you cannot classify it into a particular entity.
Also, there is this Rabbi on Shalom TV Mark Golub who says that the God in the Bible is understood in the Jewish tradition to just be a character in a play that tells moral lessons and that the real God of the universe is merely hinted at in Torah. So, the parts about God having arms and killing people are just metaphor for something else. That is one answer to atheists who try to say that the God of the Bible is evil. Also antisemites will often take things from the Talmud out of context to try to denigrate the Jewish sages.
So what if Asatruers make the same claim--that the gods represent forces and human drives or whatnot, and therefore, seemingly evil characteristics about some gods they believe in are not to be take at face value even if they were taken at face value by people a long time ago? For example, what if a people had a certain mythos revealed to them as the truth, and it was passed down either through text or oral tradition, but in what way it was true was purposely kept from them by God, and that was left for later generations to discover through studying, prayer, and moral lessons learned from history, such as the Holocaust, etc.
What if we are arbitrarily deciding to which religions we say, "Your religion is more complicated than meets the eye; I'll stay out of it." and which religions we intrude into and assume we know everything about based on how popular they are among other things?
I admit that Wiccans are bad since they hex people, but I've seen no evidence that Asatruers hex people.
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Does it matter if they literally believe in their gods or not if they're Nazis? Asatru/Odinism is a Nazi religion.
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Does it matter if they literally believe in their gods or not if they're Nazis? Asatru/Odinism is a Nazi religion.
Do you think this because the religion was founded by nazis or because it is mostly nazis who practice the religion or because you think that following this religion causes one to think or behave like a nazi?
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I hear both sides of this argument, but I would vote for Meng if I was in that district. Letting the "libertarian" Paultards plant their roots in a Jewish district of all places is a very dangerous thing, especially if the unthinkable happens and obama wins. Then we could see the nazi rand paul running for president.
This sums up my view on this entirely.
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Do you think this because the religion was founded by nazis or because it is mostly nazis who practice the religion or because you think that following this religion causes one to think or behave like a nazi?
First of all the vast majority of people who follow this religion are sympathetic to the Nazi mindset. The fact that Halloran both follows this belief system AND likes Ron Paul indicates that he's a Nazi. The religion itself is a throwback, a rejection of Biblical influence and values. They would rather identify themselves with human sacrifice practicing pagan societies than any Bible-influenced values.
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I disagree. I would never vote for a Chinese person. They could never represent me. They are not one of my peers. Only a self-hating Jew would vote for a Chinese person. Hold your nose if you have to but vote for the white man, vote Republican and VOTE HALLORAN.
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First of all the vast majority of people who follow this religion are sympathetic to the Nazi mindset. The fact that Halloran both follows this belief system AND likes Ron Paul indicates that he's a Nazi.
Now, that I get. It is probable enough that someone who converts to that religion is a Nazi that in the off chance he converted for innocent reasons (some of which I'll suggest below), it is worth discriminating against him. If he is not a nazi, he should have more sense than that.
The religion itself is a throwback, a rejection of Biblical influence and values. They would rather identify themselves with human sacrifice practicing pagan societies than any Bible-influenced values.
What if the reason they are reverting to their ancestors' pagan religion is because they think christianity is too universalist since it calls for evangelizing the whole world, and they're afraid for their people's precious bloodline or something. With today's global economy with airplanes and mass immigration, their concerns could be justified. Most of Latin America is Christian and much of Africa is headed that way. Also maybe it makes them feel more special as people of northern european origin to be worshipping their ancestors' gods because it is more centred around their people rather than some people from the middle east--sort of like the whole Kunta Kentae(sp?) Roots thing. Or maybe they envy the Jews, who have a religion that tells them to be separate and distinct for the rest of the world. And so they say to themselves, "Those lucky Jews. They have a religion that preserves their blood line. We want one too. Waahh!"
So I guess my point in all this rambling is that you never know what goes though the minds of people who convert to those religions. But yes, they could be Nazis.
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I disagree. I would never vote for a Chinese person. They could never represent me. They are not one of my peers. Only a self-hating Jew would vote for a Chinese person. Hold your nose if you have to but vote for the white man, vote Republican and VOTE HALLORAN.
That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Did halloran's campaign send you here?
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What if the reason they are reverting to their ancestors' pagan religion is because they think christianity is too universalist since it calls for evangelizing the whole world, and they're afraid for their people's precious bloodline or something.
I don't see how paganism causes someone to have more children than Christianity does. A people's survival is based on how many children they have as a group. The declining white birth rate is not caused by Christian teachings. If someone gets together with a like-minded person of the opposite sex and has many children, they will do a lot more to further their cause of survival than choosing a pagan religion would.
With today's global economy with airplanes and mass immigration, their concerns could be justified. Most of Latin America is Christian and much of Africa is headed that way. Also maybe it makes them feel more special as people of northern european origin to be worshipping their ancestors' gods because it is more centred around their people rather than some people from the middle east--sort of like the whole Kunta Kentae(sp?) Roots thing. Or maybe they envy the Jews, who have a religion that tells them to be separate and distinct for the rest of the world. And so they say to themselves, "Those lucky Jews. They have a religion that preserves their blood line. We want one too. Waahh!"
Christianity is a universal religion in that anyone of any background is able to join it. This doesn't automatically mean that every group of people should mix reproductively or that nations should dissolve their identities and differences. It just means that the God that Christians believe in cares for all the people in the world.
So I guess my point in all this rambling is that you never know what goes though the minds of people who convert to those religions. But yes, they could be Nazis.
The likelihood is very high.
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That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Did halloran's campaign send you here?
The Northeast liberals redistricted this district specifically to get an Oriental congressperson elected. What gall!! Are you as a self-respecting white person going to suggest that I as a self-respecting white man go along with this treason? WWII is over. There is a new Nazism. The Nazism of political correctness (PCism) which is more destructive than Nazism in this country. I live in the district. If I need a problem solved, do you think that Little Miss Chop Suey gives one dreck about me? Live in the present. I'm voting for Halloran.
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In the past, I was very active in the Campaigns of a couple of Republican Candidates in what was the previous district ( 5th ) that Gary Ackerman was in office for 30 years. That district had 70 % of the eligible voters in the district from Queens and 30 % in Nassau County. This year, the new 6th Congressional District, which includes much of the old 5th district, is exclusively in Queens. The new 3rd Congressional District, which is most of the remainder of the old 5th Congressional District not in the new 6th Congressional District, extends from Northern Queens ( Whitestone, through Northern Nassau County ) , and into N.W. Suffolk County passed East Northport.
Once it was known that Dan Halloran was going to be the Republican Candidate in the new 6th District, I decided to stay out of the race instead of supporting either candidate in the campaign leading up to the election.
While I voted for all Republicans today in my area of Nassau County, I decided not to vote for a State Senate Candidate. Dean Skelos, the Republican majority leader in the State Senate, is my representative. I voted for Skelos 15 times previously. Because Skelos didn't prevent the so called same sex marriage bill from being voted on in the State Senate in June, 2011, I decided that I would NEVER vote for Dean Skelos again. I also refused to vote for the Democrat candidate and there was no 3rd party alternative.
If you do live in the new 3rd Congressional District, I highly recommend that you vote for Lt. Col. Steve Labate. This opponent is long time Congressman Steve Israel, the head of the DCCC and a MAJOR Barack Hussein Obama supporter. Steve Israel is almost as bad as Gary Ackerman. It's close!
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If you do live in the new 3rd Congressional District, I highly recommend that you vote for Lt. Col. Steve Labate. This opponent is long time Congressman Steve Israel, the head of the DCCC and a MAJOR Barack Hussein Obama supporter. Steve Israel is almost as bad as Gary Ackerman. It's close!
Steve Israel is worse he attends and supports CAIR
http://unitedwithisrael.org/democrats-seek-funding-from-islamists/
House Democrats Seek Funding from Islamists
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Nihad Awad of CAIR at a fundraiser with Nancy Pelosi
The Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) recently uncovered that US House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi, alongside Democratic Congressional representatives Keith Ellison, Andre Carson, Allyson Schwartz, Chris Murphy, and Steve Israel, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, attended a secret fundraiser on May 16, 2012, at the W Hotel in Washington, DC alongside 10 officials representing Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood front organizations.
The most prominent among the Islamist attendees was CAIR executive director Nihad Awad, whose association the FBI claims was created by Hamas, and Jamal Barzinji, a founding father of the Muslim Brotherhood in America and co-founder of the Muslim Student Association, which IPT described as an “incubator for Islamic radicalism in America.”
A 2007 US federal court filing asserted that CAIR has conspired with other branches of the Muslim Brotherhood to support terrorism. Because of this, the FBI severed all ties with CAIR in 2008. CAIR’s executive director Nihad Awad, according to IPT, has openly championed Hamas and claimed that suicide bombings are “legitimate resistance.” Nihad Awad worked as public relations director for the Islamic Association for Palestine, that works to “increase the financial and moral support for Hamas and… publicize the savagery of the Jews.”
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Steve Israel is worse he attends and supports CAIR
In addition, at a recent Candidates Forum in Manhasset, Steve Israel refused to renounce J-Street. Even Gary Ackerman, who took financial support from J-Street, denounced that hideous organization last year.
Despite all of this, I'll never forget when Gary Ackerman in 2009 accused the heroic Settlers of "pogroms". Thankfully, this beast decided to retire.
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In addition, at a recent Candidates Forum in Manhasset, Steve Israel refused to renounce J-Street. Even Gary Ackerman, who took financial support from J-Street, denounced that hideous organization last year.
Despite all of this, I'll never forget when Gary Ackerman in 2009 accused the heroic Settlers of "pogroms". Thankfully, this beast decided to retire.
Yes little things to be thankful for
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Yes little things to be thankful for
Up until what might happen today ( G-d willing ), Gary Ackerman's retirement announcement was the best political news in the U.S. in the entire year. :dance:
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I don't understand why you're bashing someone for being of Chinese descent or saying they can't represent your interests better than an outright Nazi. You know sometimes you have to bite the bullet and vote for a democrat if the democrat is the lesser evil. I don't really see what her being Chinese has to do with that.
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I don't understand why you're bashing someone for being of Chinese descent or saying they can't represent your interests better than an outright Nazi. You know sometimes you have to bite the bullet and vote for a democrat if the democrat is the lesser evil. I don't really see what her being Chinese has to do with that.
They get affirmative action and they are affirmative action freaks and that is contrary to my best interests and yours. Wake up and smell the falaffel.
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Checkmate is one of our previously banned trolls.
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Checkmate is one of our previously banned trolls.
HA! I knew it.
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Checkmate is one of our previously banned trolls.
Wrong- smartypants!!
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Wrong- smartypants!!
Okay you're not a troll, you're a odin worshiper! All hail thor! :::D :::D :::D
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Checkmate is one of our previously banned trolls.
Let me guess, Johnson Brown.
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Let me guess, Johnson Brown.
The Luck of the Irish!!
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The Northeast liberals redistricted this district specifically to get an Oriental congressperson elected. What gall!! Are you as a self-respecting white person going to suggest that I as a self-respecting white man go along with this treason? WWII is over. There is a new Nazism. The Nazism of political correctness (PCism) which is more destructive than Nazism in this country. I live in the district. If I need a problem solved, do you think that Little Miss Chop Suey gives one dreck about me? Live in the present. I'm voting for Halloran.
Your racism against asians is disgusting and pointless. If the person is qualified I don't care about what color skin they have.meng is the lesser of two evils since halloran has nazi tendencies
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That's one of the dumbest things I've heard. Did halloran's campaign send you here?
Sounds like a knock off of Rosenberg, marbus, or Ben Mizrachi
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Hey Nazimate; if hitler was running against an Asian, you would ya vote for hmmm?
My father was wounded in the US Navy in the Pacific in WWII by a Jap and got the Purple Heart and it wasn't by a Nazi. You don't have to goosestep and have a stiff-arm salute and yell, "Heil Hitler" to be a Nazi. The Japs were bigger Nazis than the Nazis. They experimented with American and British POWs in Mukden, Manchuria at Unit 731 in experiments as gruesome as those of "Dr." Mengele.
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Let me guess, Johnson Brown.
You nailed it.
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You nailed it.
I love the name, "Johnson"!! It is so descriptive of my most prominent feature!!
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I love the name, "Johnson"!! It is so descriptive of my most prominent feature!!
Brown Johnson? :::D
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I love the name, "Johnson"!! It is so descriptive of my most prominent feature!!
Well this cat is apparently your fan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LBKVXyrHcw
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I love the name, "Johnson"!! It is so descriptive of my most prominent feature!!
He is banned.
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He is banned.
I be needin' access to my old account, mmhmmm
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So did the odinist end up winning?
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So did the odinist end up winning?
No, he lost pretty badly to Grace meng
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Have you noticed how issue, and candidates are being forced on the people! Then crooked elections and circumstances.