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Title: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on November 22, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
Although he's a tad more photogenic than Feiglin, will Bennett be able to capitalize on Bibi's premature cease fire in the elections, with his call that if he was PM he would eradicate Gaza?! Has he the intelligence,voice & charisma?
http://conservativepapers.com/news/2012/11/21/the-anointing-of-naftali-bennet-as-the-next-prime-minister-of-israel/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZV9-Ak-ak
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: בַּחַמַל on November 22, 2012, 09:24:28 AM
What did Chaim say about HaMafdal, that they would sell their own mothers for a seat in a Knesset.  Religious political opportunists.  Sickening.  They remind me of the establishment Republicans.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on November 22, 2012, 12:14:43 PM
Erin burnett is such a disgusting animal.

Can I ask who the hell is ed husain and why should he give Israel advice?   No one cares what the hell you think, Ed.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on November 22, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
How do you know that Bennett is not a mole sent out by netanyahu to sabotage the religious right?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on November 22, 2012, 12:26:54 PM
How do you know that Bennett is not a mole sent out by netanyahu to sabotage the religious right?

 What? How do you know that he is for you to say such a thing?

 Look I'm not saying to follow him or be weary of any politician, but to say (without credible evidence) that is he is a mole sent by someone is too much perhaps?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on November 22, 2012, 01:11:55 PM
What? How do you know that he is for you to say such a thing?

lol, I didn't say that I know anything.   I just asked a question.

It's a logical question because he is the former chief of staff of Bibi Netanyahu.    Since you didn't know that information, you thought my question was out of left field, but in fact, it's really not.   It's a very pertinent question to ask.

If we do not at least consider this possibility we are doing ourselves a disservice.   I am sick and tired of Jews being deceived and betrayed.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: ChabadKahanist on November 23, 2012, 03:40:10 AM
lol, I didn't say that I know anything.   I just asked a question.

It's a logical question because he is the former chief of staff of Bibi Netanyahu.    Since you didn't know that information, you thought my question was out of left field, but in fact, it's really not.   It's a very pertinent question to ask.

If we do not at least consider this possibility we are doing ourselves a disservice.   I am sick and tired of Jews being deceived and betrayed.

Very relevant question
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: ChabadKahanist on November 23, 2012, 04:00:25 AM
I wouldn't trust Mafdal/HaBayit HaYehudi as far as I can throw them.
Remember they were part of the crowd that allowed Jews to be ejected from their homes in Gaza area & gave it to Hamas.
They are no better than $ha$!!!!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on November 23, 2012, 07:47:12 AM
If you sold your hi-tec company for $145 million after only 5 years, you'd also be smiling!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftali_Bennett

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/NaftaliBennett.jpg/250px-NaftaliBennett.jpg)

Interestingly, Yvette Lieberman, a traitorous pseudo-rightwing plant sent to subvert the Russian vote, was also Bibi's Chief of Staff!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman#Early_life_and_early_career

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01361/AvigdorLieberman_1361998c.jpg)

We hope for the best, but if Bennett really has been "Bibified", it's only right to question his motives and sincerity!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 03, 2012, 04:43:28 AM
Naftali Bennett is proving that he's a useful advocate, & can hold his own against kalbot like Livni & the BBC's black whore Badawi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp8fu1tgCI4

Erev Ravette Livni is physically as strong as a man and is reputed to have been an assassin with her bare hands and legs during her Mossad days, would literally like to scratch Bennett's eyes out!

Once Bennett is perceived as even a milquetoast threat to the status quo, expect him or his family in Raanana to be involved in a car accident/terrorist shooting/poisoning/mysterious illness chas v'sholom.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 05, 2012, 05:24:55 PM
If Bayit Yehudi really come third
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162888
I doubt that Bennett will be satisfied by Bibi making him just Minister of Tourism! Having been a Sayeret officer, by rights he should make a good Minister of Defence.

If TPTB perceive that he's not a phony-religious rightwinger, and that Bennet is unbribable/has unviolable Jewish core beliefs, they will somehow ensure that he's not in the Knesset.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 17, 2012, 08:36:02 AM
Although Bennett is a weakish Right-Winger/Kahane-ultralite, so averse on a metaphysical level are Erev Ravniks like Netanyahu to anything that even smacks of genuine Torah Nationalism, that he would rather join in a coalaition with Meretz, even with Balad, than have Bennett in his cabinet!
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163239

Expect Bennett to be "indisposed" very shortly!

(http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/250/168/391250.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: TruthSpreader on December 17, 2012, 08:56:45 AM
I don't know who this guy is but I really want to see Pipi leave now.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 19, 2012, 07:01:16 PM
Bennett covets the Housing Ministry.

But he'd take the Interior Ministry.

It'd be interesting to see if he as Sar Hapnim would use his influence to let those like Chaim Ben Pesach and "Chabad Kahanist" make Aliya, or whether he's another phony right-winger devoid of any Ahavas Yisroel!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 19, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
Erin burnett is such a disgusting animal.

Can I ask who the hell is ed husain and why should he give Israel advice?   No one cares what the hell you think, Ed.
Who is Erin Burnett?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 19, 2012, 09:29:19 PM
Who is Erin Burnett?

A brainless CNBC ho I mean host who is interviewing bennett in one of the videos in this thread.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 19, 2012, 10:57:34 PM
Is she a Jew hater like Muslima Amanwhore?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: בַּחַמַל on December 19, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
Probably...  She is a typical American ditz with zero talent who often stumbles with any words that demand  more than a 5th grade vocabulary.  Her parents are millionaires, and that's how she probably got her job.  She sometimes tries to portray herself as somewhat of an anti-establishment figure, but only because her show has such low ratings.  In real life, she's quite liberal.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 20, 2012, 08:38:23 AM
Is she a Jew hater like Muslima Amanwhore?

She LOVES muslims.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 20, 2012, 08:46:36 PM
In 2006 Likud only got 12 seats.

It's taken for granted that Likud-Beiteinu will get 30+ seats.

With the Moldovian off the scene, the 1,000,000 Russians are not necessarily guaranteed to vote for Pipi's union.

But what if the increasingly popular Bennett, currently expected to get 12 seats, actually won more seats than Pipi?!
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163359
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Rubystars on December 20, 2012, 09:20:31 PM
The anti-Israel guy in the video is from the Council on Foreign Relations.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 20, 2012, 11:27:01 PM
The anti-Israel guy in the video is from the Council on Foreign Relations.

Just another Hussein.  But this one wears a suit.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 21, 2012, 02:38:17 AM
She LOVES muslims.
Then she and all her baby-butchering feminazi buddies should get their tuchises over to Jenin and Sadr City and volunteer their clitorises up on the rusty-knifed altar of Allah.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 26, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
Look at Bennett's eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM_GG7as6Jo

Bennett is a killer-match for the Arab , as befits a Major in the Sayaret (=Israeli version of the SAS).
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 27, 2012, 04:36:38 AM
All of you who are looking to Bennett as a hero will be sorely disappointed.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 28, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
This contra Bennett from Sackett's worried team:


Naftali Bennet and the Mafdal's Last Hurrah
 by Rafi Farber

Why it makes absolutely no difference how many seats the Jewish Home party gets.

Originally published in Settlers of Samaria

9 Tevet, 5773
Dec. 22, '12

Those of us who really believe Moshe Feiglin can and will lead Israel and the Jewish Nation to liberty by becoming Prime Minister have this refrain. We always say that we’re not trying to lead the Dati Leumi, or the Religious Zionist sector. We are not a sector, we do not believe in sectors, and we try to speak to the Jewish nation qua nation and leave sectors aside. We want to lead everyone and free everyone. Not lead a sector and try to cut off a hunk of publicly funded steak and bring it home to a ravenous constituency starved for tax-funded whatevers.

But even those of us with our eye on the ball sometimes lose focus for a second and get sucked back into the "sector" that we supposedly "came from," which in most cases is the Religious Zionist sector, the srugim, or whatever you want to call them.

We see in the polls that Naftali Bennett has totally revived the old Mafdal. He’s a new exciting guy, served in Tzahal as commander of a bunch of important stuff and did heroic things and whatnot just like Ehud Barak of the new up-and-coming then out-and-going Atzmaut (literally, "Forget Labor") Party. He was a highly successful career man and made a skrillion dollars just like Yair Lapid of the new up-and-coming and soon to be out-and-going Yesh Lapid (literally "There is Lapid") Party. Or was it two skrillion? I don’t remember exactly. And he can talk oh soooo smoothly - in perfect American English, with a perfect American accent, that’s so seductive. Just like -

Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mafdal, or Bayit Yehudi, or whatever you want to call it, might get a bunch of seats. Maybe 10. Maybe 15. Maybe 20. It doesn’t make the least bit of difference. Why? Because Naftali Bennett is nothing but a new Netanyahu with a kippah on. He has no conviction about anything but he can talk as if he almost does. For example, he can say contradictory things like, "A soldier should never have to choose between expelling a human being from his home and disobeying orders," and then end it with, "A soldier should never disobey orders under any circumstances," and state both mutually contradictory statements together with the same conviction, thereby effectively saying absolutely nothing, but making people think he has.

And then, as if he didn’t contradict himself at all, he’ll go on in the very next sentence and challenge his twin, Benjamin Netanyahu, to state publicly if he plans on expelling people from their homes again or not, as if trying to fork another politician will take the attention away from the fact that he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too as well. Well, Bennett, my little Bibi with a kippah, if he does, what will you do? All you’ve told us is you hope it won’t happen. But what will you do? Support private property or support immoral orders?

Bennett’s long term plan is genius. Get this: He wants to wait for the Arabs to "calm down". Of course this isn’t what Israel has already been doing since Oslo. Inspiring. That’s it! They have to "calm down"! Why didn’t we think of this before! When I think of Jewish History and our job on this planet and the reason we came back to Israel after millennia of exile, I think of Arabs "calming down," and when I picture calm Arabs, I get this kind of religious messianic zeal. Thanks Bennett. You have a very nice kippah and a cool buzz cut.

And his slogan: "Something new is beginning." Yes, something new indeed. Bibi now has a kippah. That’s new. And the new Bibi says right wing sounding rhetoric without committing to any actual positions and wants to wait things out until the Arabs "calm down". New Indeed.

Now, back to why it makes absolutely no difference how many seats the Mafdal gets. It doesn’t matter because the only interesting thing that is going to come out of this Knesset will be the Knesset speeches and Knesset actions of Moshe Feiglin from within the Likud slate. He’s going to be in the Knesset. Nothing can stop that. Likud isn’t going down to 20 seats under any circumstances. From that podium, from that pulpit, Feiglin will speak about liberty and Jewish values and Jewish leadership. And the Jewish Nation will listen. And he’ll say actual things that don’t contradict themselves. And when Netanyahu tries to do something stupid, he will fight tooth and nail and probably get sanctioned in some way or another, and he won’t be invited into Bibi’s little circle, and if he is named as a Minister he may get fired, and if he doesn’t get fired and Bibi tries to expel someone from their home, he’ll resign, and it’ll be great.

Moshe Feiglin won’t have to pull stupid political tricks like asking the "Prime Minister" from a press conference if he intends to expel Jews from their homes or not. He will be able to fight it and embarrass Bibi from within the Likud itself if he does. Bennett will be able to do absolutely nothing but yell. He won’t pull out of the government because he’ll fear someone from the Left will take his place. So in the end he’ll do nothing and say things like "I wish soldiers wouldn’t have to choose between expelling Jews and following orders boo hoo."

Meanwhile, while Bennett pouts and stays in the coalition posing no threat to Bibi whatsoever, Feiglin will be fighting from the inside and setting the stage for his next run at the Likud leadership.

So in the end, whether Bennett has 10 or 20 seats makes no difference. He’ll stay in the government just like every other Mafdal incarnate has over the history of the sector. Sometimes we Feiglinites forget that we are not in a sector and we are not trying to get sectoral votes for our party. We are not after "Religious Zionist" votes. We don’t want the Religious Zionist all suddenly joining Likud and filling out membership forms. We don’t want the Likud to be a sector. We don’t want to turn the Likud into the Mafdal. We want to lead the nation. That means we are after the votes of people who believe in the nation, not their sector.

Someone who feels they are part of the Religious Zionist sector more than they are part of the Jewish Nation as a whole should not vote Likud. Someone who feels that they are part of the nation should vote Likud, regardless of what kippah he (or she) wears or if he even wears one at all.

When all is said and done, the Nation will hear Feiglin speak softly, like he did yesterday, that he supports anyone who refuses orders on moral grounds, left or right, as he always has. Bennett will be screaming at a wall as he continually says nothing.

Bennett will speak loudly. Feiglin will speak softly as he always does, but this time he will carry the big stick. Let the votes fall where they may, and let the Jewish People separate the leaders from the politicians. Once they do, it will be clear. This is Mafdal’s last hurrah.
 
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 28, 2012, 12:40:47 AM
All of you who are looking to Bennett as a hero will be sorely disappointed.

 I dont have high expectations, but at least I see some progress in what he is doing and how he actually can and will take some power. His strategy at least is much better and much more successful then Feiglin ever will be.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 28, 2012, 12:51:04 AM
I dont have high expectations, but at least I see some progress in what he is doing and how he actually can and will take some power. His strategy at least is much better and much more successful then Feiglin ever will be.
He will sell out in all the same ways as MBA, Marzel, Sharansky, etc. The pseudoright will always be more of a threat than the real left.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 28, 2012, 12:59:03 AM
He will sell out in all the same ways as MBA, Marzel, Sharansky, etc. The pseudoright will always be more of a threat than the real left.

 Disagree. Let's get real. The real left will combine with the Arab Nazis! Also control more of the media, education etc. Cannot happen. Let's not get over ourselves and say such things. The left will destroy when they have the opportunity. Not a big fan of the fake right and do not support them, but the leftists are much much worse and we should not be soo simple minded to say that they simply will not do the evil they intend. They will and on top of that they will claim "DeMOCKracy".
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: בַּחַמַל on December 28, 2012, 02:08:45 AM
I agree that he will be a largely disappointing sellout and in the end more dangerous than the left.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 28, 2012, 03:03:23 AM
Disagree. Let's get real. The real left will combine with the Arab Nazis! Also control more of the media, education etc. Cannot happen. Let's not get over ourselves and say such things. The left will destroy when they have the opportunity. Not a big fan of the fake right and do not support them, but the leftists are much much worse and we should not be soo simple minded to say that they simply will not do the evil they intend. They will and on top of that they will claim "DeMOCKracy".
The Israeli people (mostly) recognize the real left for what it is and the majority (mostly) rejects it. There is a reason why people like Begin, Shamir, Sharon, Lewinsky (twice), etc. keep getting elected PM. Even if they are far to the left compared to JTF, most Israelis inherently recognize that the overt Final Solution policies proposed by Labor/Kadima/Mapam are suicidal/genocidal. They elect PMs that they think are on the right, but their agenda is identical to that of the open and honest left. Every massive suicidal ethnic cleansing and handover of Jewish land--the Sinai, Chevron, Gush Katif, etc. has been carried out under Likud regimes. The people of Israel assume that a Likudnik must know what he is doing if he advocates land-for-feces and so they get behind it. Average Israelis do not usually get behind Shimon Parasite or Tziporah Hitler when they advocate what they do, but someone with the reputation of being a "hawk" can make it happen time and time again.

--With his untouchable status as an Irgun national hero, something like 90% of Israelis got behind Begin's Sinai handover.
--Oslo could not have happened if Shas/ROY did not give it its blessing.
--The Yesha Council effectively convinces average Israeli pioneers not to fight any government ethnic cleansings.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 28, 2012, 06:00:43 AM
Bennett comes across as considerably more sincere than Pipi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGS4EY0ddP0
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 28, 2012, 07:36:15 AM
Sarah Netanyahu, a former EL AL stewardess, has been criticized for making the policy decisions for Pipi.

Now she turns her focus against Bennett & Shaked!

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=297590
"The energy that Mrs. (Sara) Netanyahu invests in her pathological hatred of Bennett and Ayelet Shaked (No. 3 on the Bayit Yehudi list) could power the country’s entire electricity grid!"
(http://cdn-elle.ladmedia.fr/var/plain_site/storage/images/societe/news/sarah-netanyahu-une-first-lady-accusee-d-harceler-sa-bonne/13158561-1-fre-FR/Sarah-Netanyahu-une-First-Lady-accusee-d-harceler-sa-bonne_mode_une.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 28, 2012, 10:39:37 AM
  YS- People will eventually turn against the Likud and the fake right. Give them more time to F#%"* up and people will turn more right and more right. They are not stupid and are not leftists. Also you say that with the open left evil things wont be done because they are afraid etc. Their is an argument to be made, BUT remember that it was arafat YSV who saved the nation from giving up almost everything. Barak was about top hand everything over. Soo beforehand as well. The opportunity for them did not come. If they had a chance they definitely would have and will. Let's not be naive.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 28, 2012, 01:16:54 PM
I dont have high expectations, but at least I see some progress in what he is doing and how he actually can and will take some power. His strategy at least is much better and much more successful then Feiglin ever will be.

That is completely untrue.  Mafdal has been around since the beginning of time.  They are still an idiotic sector-party desperate for regime affection, acceptance and validation.  Their corrupt self image remains the same as it has for decades and decades of this pathetic, enabling failed party.  They have no inherent values except $hnorring for their sector and begging for acceptance by the elites and the regime.  No red lines, no vision for national leadership.  Bennett is a popular guy whose popularity extends beyond the sector and party itself but he has the same agenda and that is why he took over mafdal.  Mafdal heirarchy thinks they found lightning in a bottle and are trying to keep their hides alive while they continue their games.  They will continue to be prime enablers of Oslo.

Anyone who puts hope into this corrupt PC nonsense is out of their mind.this party will never oppose the regime because they see themselves as subservient to it.  I don't know what you can possibly see as positive about this "strategy"
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 28, 2012, 01:25:47 PM
Bennett comes across as considerably more sincere than Pipi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGS4EY0ddP0

"Sincere?"  Lol you are such an easy mark.

The flas in the pan personality cults always appeal to people who want to believe in a politician as personal savior.  People who want "hope" from personality instead of policy.  That's how obama got elected.  So how dare you criticize Americans?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 28, 2012, 01:36:44 PM
This guy is not even idelogically opposed to Oslo, so how could his "success" (getting a nice sized third party) possibly change anything or be a good thing?  Its a religious zionist bibi leading a religious zionist version of the Shas party!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 28, 2012, 01:38:20 PM
(http://cdn-elle.ladmedia.fr/var/plain_site/storage/images/societe/news/sarah-netanyahu-une-first-lady-accusee-d-harceler-sa-bonne/13158561-1-fre-FR/Sarah-Netanyahu-une-First-Lady-accusee-d-harceler-sa-bonne_mode_une.jpg)
What an ugly kurva.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 28, 2012, 02:32:36 PM
So once again there is no unity on the Right and we hand over the reigns to the left to go about destroying the Jewish state. Sometimes I wonder about whether we are doing any good by cutting down any and all alternatives to the sick plans of the left.

There is no hope, we should just pack up and leave Israel, because nobody could agree on what to do.... Im really getting tired of fighting all sides...

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 28, 2012, 02:48:54 PM
So once again there is no unity on the Right and we hand over the reigns to the left to go about destroying the Jewish state. Sometimes I wonder about whether we are doing any good by cutting down any and all alternatives to the sick plans of the left.

There is no hope, we should just pack up and leave Israel, because nobody could agree on what to do.... Im really getting tired of fighting all sides...

Unity on the right?  Mafdal is not rightwing and never has been.  This is the party of the yesha council scoundrels and the enabling if gaza expulsion, the very opposite of what they supposedly stand for.  Even as a sector party they actually sacrificed their own sector on the altar of their gods the israeli regime and its puppeteers.   "Packing up and going home" is not only forbidden but also makes no sense.  But cheerleading for those who betray the Jewish people is equally senseless.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 28, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
A fake right is more dangerous than the left.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 28, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
So once again there is no unity on the Right and we hand over the reigns to the left to go about destroying the Jewish state. Sometimes I wonder about whether we are doing any good by cutting down any and all alternatives to the sick plans of the left.

There is no hope, we should just pack up and leave Israel, because nobody could agree on what to do.... Im really getting tired of fighting all sides...
The phony right is and always will be more dangerous than the left. The fake right wants to do everything the left does, but applies a hearty does of snake oil to wash it down. Hitler wants to destroy Judea and Samaria. Peepee does too, he just isn't as forward about it. If Hitler were in office, she would lack any credibility with at least half of Israelis because she does not have the reputation of a "hawk". Those pseudorightists that pretend to be religious nationalists, such as Shas members and Bennett/MBA, are even worse because they appear to have halachic backing when they support the Israeli government.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 28, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
The point of my sarcasm is that if I believed everything here I would have no hope to go forward because the only news I heard here is that there is nobody, right or left, who will be able to turn things around. If this is the case what is the point of praying for something which is impossible. The only thing, short of Moshiach arriving, is to put my tail between my legs and run from the problems. One thing that most JTFers like is to see just how helpless the Jewish people are. Are we to believe that only if Chaim were to be in Israel things would turn around? And if we believe this then what is being done to accomplish this? I don't like spending time on useless causes. And I consistently feel that JTFs harping on the negativity of the situation causes some (as it is doing to me) to lose complete hope.

If we could put support behind someone, someone who had a chance, and had a plan to accomplish our goals I would feel a lot better. But this has been going on and on, and there is really no uniform vision of how to accomplish the goals which I believe JTF and most Religious Zionists share.

I still have hope that there will be voices in the upcoming government which will continue to speak for the religious zionists. I just wish there was more we could do than make polls trying to curse those who are in power now.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 28, 2012, 06:21:55 PM
The point of my sarcasm is that if I believed everything here I would have no hope to go forward because the only news I heard here is that there is nobody, right or left, who will be able to turn things around. If this is the case what is the point of praying for something which is impossible. The only thing, short of Moshiach arriving, is to put my tail between my legs and run from the problems. One thing that most JTFers like is to see just how helpless the Jewish people are. Are we to believe that only if Chaim were to be in Israel things would turn around? And if we believe this then what is being done to accomplish this? I don't like spending time on useless causes. And I consistently feel that JTFs harping on the negativity of the situation causes some (as it is doing to me) to lose complete hope.

If we could put support behind someone, someone who had a chance, and had a plan to accomplish our goals I would feel a lot better. But this has been going on and on, and there is really no uniform vision of how to accomplish the goals which I believe JTF and most Religious Zionists share.

I still have hope that there will be voices in the upcoming government which will continue to speak for the religious zionists. I just wish there was more we could do than make polls trying to curse those who are in power now.
Muman, Muman, Muman... I'm not sure what to tell you. Most of us just do not agree that we should reach out to false messiahs simply because we are desperate for some, any, kind of "change". Naftali Bennett is just the latest incarnation of the "rightist" establishment in Israel--a pretty face who says the right things but whose only real goal is to make a big name for himself and be idolized by the media. As KWRBT pointed out, his party Mafdal backs the treasonous Auschwitz Council and supported/tolerated the Gush Katif genocide. Bennett's a megamillionaire, but hasn't used one cent of his earnings on supporting the Hilltop resistance or Hayamin or to lobby for Chaim to be allowed to make aliyah. Am I supposed to be impressed by that?

Hayamin is the ONLY answer for truth in Israel and anyone who has followed JTF for any length of time knows it. Chaim has explained why this is many times over on Ask JTF and all of his videos. This isn't because Chaim is an egomaniac or refuses to work with anybody else, but because he has tried it and everybody else in the so-called Israeli "right", including the so-called "Kahanists", have either stabbed him in the back or shown themselves to be complete and utter frauds in every way. Let me remind you of the various pseudo-Kahanists and "religious Zionists" that have floated around Israel over the past decade or are now, many of whom Chaim has attempted to reach out to and tried to work with:

--The Shas party, which supported the Oslo surrender, the ethnic cleansing at Gush Katif, and every lopsided terrorist "exchange" just so that it and its supreme leader can get more gelt from the Israeli Bolshevik regime.

--David Haivri, the so-called Kahanist that calls Gentile members of JTF, such as the proud Noahide Jimmy Sullivan "dirty goyim", compares Chaim to Adolf Hitler, works for the Yesha Council, and rats out fellow Jews, even fellow traitors like Mike Guzofsky.

--Mike Guzofsky, who falsifies his historical relationship with HaRav, supports the monsters Irv and Shelly Rubin, savagely attacks Chaim and numerous JTFers, and has even supported Nazis at times (i.e. Tina Greco, Andrew Newman, Kelly Taylor, etc.) just to get back at JTF.

--Moshe Feiglin, who advocates legalizing drugs and denounces Jewish saints like Yigal Amir and Dr. Goldstein, the likes of whom we are not fit to wipe the dog crap off the shoes of.

--Aryeh Eldad, who says that Jewish saints/martyrs (like the above) should rot in prison for the rest of their lives.

--Baruch Marzel and his flunky Itamar Ben-Gvir, who have waged a savage slander campaign against Chaim, make fun of wonderful Lubavitch Jews, and gleefully hired a proud Hitler supporter (Uzi Zalka) that celebrates the Shoah.

--Michael Ben-Ari, who, among other things, ridicules Hayamin's videos, supports the treasonous Shas party, praises Nazi butchers such as Yitzhak Rabin, says that Israel should not take action against Iran, and rejects removal of the Arabs.

How many more examples of this do you need Muman? We can't work with these individuals. These are really despicable, self-centered, live-in-the-moment self-hating Jews. They are in it for themselves only and have no Torah principles. There is no fellowship between people of righteousness and people of darkness and we are kidding ourselves if we pretend that there is. G-d is the answer, not snake-oil peddlers that deceitfully hawk their worthless wares. G-d alone will save Israel, not any of these frauds and phonies.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 29, 2012, 02:30:00 PM
What an ugly kurva.


And it's getting worse, in accordance with Chaim's ironclad principle that leftwingers and pseudo rightwingers become more ugly in proportion to the more traitorous they become!

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Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 29, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
The phony right is and always will be more dangerous than the left. The fake right wants to do everything the left does, but applies a hearty does of snake oil to wash it down. Hitler wants to destroy Judea and Samaria. Peepee does too, he just isn't as forward about it. If Hitler were in office, she would lack any credibility with at least half of Israelis because she does not have the reputation of a "hawk". Those pseudorightists that pretend to be religious nationalists, such as Shas members and Bennett/MBA, are even worse because they appear to have halachic backing when they support the Israeli government.

 Bennett never pretended. He says and said that leaving Judea and Samaria is suicide and he lays out the plan very effectively with his maps. Also has understanding the rocket range dinger to his children and to the nation. He is no Rav Kahane but no one else. He also does not claim to have the long term solutions but his plan will and does temporarily stop furthur retreats that is for sure. He did and does say that he will not expel Jews (not arabs as well, but that is a different thing and something we will work for and accomplish in the future)
 Shas- Doesnt and didn't call themselves "religious nationalists". Their main priorities is taking care of the economically poor Sefardim. That is their main objective and goal. That is what they preach (especially Deri). Also about Gazza they did not participate. (I am just telling you the facts and not supporting them).

 Also YS- the different groups and people you mentioned, if (and G-D willing when) Chaim gets to Israel and Hayamin becomes a party who do you think he and the party will make alliances with? You know you need to have a majority and I do not believe that Chaim will sit with Meritz or the Arabs (or probably even labor). Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 29, 2012, 06:52:06 PM
Bennett never pretended. He says and said that leaving Judea and Samaria is suicide and he lays out the plan very effectively with his maps. Also has understanding the rocket range dinger to his children and to the nation. He is no Rav Kahane but no one else. He also does not claim to have the long term solutions but his plan will and does temporarily stop furthur retreats that is for sure. He did and does say that he will not expel Jews (not arabs as well, but that is a different thing and something we will work for and accomplish in the future)
 Shas- Doesnt and didn't call themselves "religious nationalists". Their main priorities is taking care of the economically poor Sefardim. That is their main objective and goal. That is what they preach (especially Deri). Also about Gazza they did not participate. (I am just telling you the facts and not supporting them).

 Also YS- the different groups and people you mentioned, if (and G-D willing when) Chaim gets to Israel and Hayamin becomes a party who do you think he and the party will make alliances with? You know you need to have a majority and I do not believe that Chaim will sit with Meritz or the Arabs (or probably even labor). Am I wrong?

Three responses to that Tag:

1: Most of these people want nothing to do with Chaim and JTF. Chaim has extended the olive branch to the so-called Kahanists in Israel several times, to no avail. They see him as a rival because they know that he speaks the real and full truth and that if he were a viable candidate, he would take away much of their support base. That is why they want nothing to do with him and have started slander campaigns against him. The moment he is allowed to make aliyah, they know that they will have lost their entire constituency.

Bennett, a multimillionaire worth over 100 million dollars, could change the political game on the ground in Israel overnight if he wanted to. With the amount of money and clout that he has,  he could turn Hayamin into a mass movement overnight and probably get Chaim into Israel eventually. Has he done any of that? I have yet to see any evidence that he is anything but a typical Fortune 500 jetsetter who is out for number one and number one alone.

2: We are supposed to rely on G-d for victory, not alliances with men. The goal of Hayamin is to win the majority of Israelis over and come to power outright, not to grasp and scrape for an alliance with individuals that are not our allies in any way, shape, or form. Chaim will not compromise on any of his values or play the high-priced call-girl game of politics. Is being idealistic a weakness? Is it a strength? I don't know, but it is what G-d expects of us if he is going to bless us.

3: All of the politicians on the Israeli "right" say what Bennett does in some way/shape or form. No Israeli candidate trying to get elected will say that they want to throw Jews out of their homes or give land to the Arabs. What is more telling is their omissions.

--Does Bennett advocate encouraging the Arabs to leave?
--Does he advocate ignoring the pressure of BHO and attacking Iran's nuclear facilities?
--Does he advocate ending Shas/Agudah shakedowns of the Israeli taxpayer?
--Does he stand up for Jewish prisoners and martyrs like Yigal Amir and Amir Popper?

Did you read any of the analysis that KWRBT posted? The Mafdal party is no different from Shas or Agudah or any of the other so-called "religious right" parties. Mafdal is part of the Yesha Council and the "peace process" like all the others. What is more reasonable to believe: that all of a sudden it has changed with Naftali Bennett or that the leopard does not alter its spots?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 29, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
They've tightened up the "racism" and free speech" laws in Israel since the days of RMK.

The things that CBP can get away with saying in NY would currently land him in Israel an even longer jail sentence than he served in the USA. Sentencing a true Yiddishe neshomoh like Chaim to 5 years in Ramle Jail for "incitement" is an Israeli lesbian leftist female judge's wet dream!

Bennett has got to be really careful, as they are looking for any excuse to ban him from the elections, like they did Kach in 1988. That Bennett or his family take a bullet/have an accident in the next 22 days is also a distinct possiblity, Hashem yishmor!

If Likud/Yisrael Beiteinu continue to haemhorage seats to Bayit Yehudi, there's an outside possibility that Bennett could actually be asked to be PM! Then we might have a low-grade Messianic contender - low-grade, but at least a contender!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 29, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
Let's say that people like Bennett do seriously F@#% up. That will only make us stronger. If the leftists (open leftists) take more control and power the fake right would tell people to give them the chance to change the situation. The longer the fake right does have power and either 1) doing what is correct or 2) messing up, the more people will be dissatisfied with them and then turn to us.

 (meaning option 1- everyone is happy, we get what is needed to be done, option 2 will get people dissatisfied even more and then turning more to us and giving people like Chaim the chance even more soo).
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on December 29, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
Let's say that people like Bennett do seriously F@#% up. That will only make us stronger. If the leftists (open leftists) take more control and power the fake right would tell people to give them the chance to change the situation. The longer the fake right does have power and either 1) doing what is correct or 2) messing up, the more people will be dissatisfied with them and then turn to us.

 (meaning option 1- everyone is happy, we get what is needed to be done, option 2 will get people dissatisfied even more and then turning more to us and giving people like Chaim the chance even more soo).
I agree Tag, it's kinda the same here... The left has control and the fake right is really not doing anything to stop them, they are going to burn this mother down, and then the people will look to the true right, and we will be able to pull this country out of the depths of hell, and establish Torah law once again!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 29, 2012, 08:38:12 PM

--Does Bennett advocate encouraging the Arabs to leave?
--Does he advocate ignoring the pressure of BHO and attacking Iran's nuclear facilities?
--Does he advocate ending Shas/Agudah shakedowns of the Israeli taxpayer?
--Does he stand up for Jewish prisoners and martyrs like Yigal Amir and Amir Popper?


 1) No. I never claimed that he does. But at least he will prevent a "palestinian" state and then give us the chance to buy time and then to transfer them out.
 2) I think soo.
 3) That is not accurate. I do not agree with them and what they do but it is no different then the other parties demanding $ to their institutions and things. For example kibbutzim took billions. As did and do all sorts of groups and parties including for art, sports, music concerts and many other things. These 2 parties in particular fight for $ to those who learn Torah all day (by the way the $ is low) and its wrong to perpetuate the distortion of the media and the leftists who try to portray them as some sort of bloodsuckers. That is a lie. The people vote and that is how they want their $ distributed and it is soo. Now their are things that should and are being done inside the religious world to change some of these things, but never-the-less it is inaccurate, wrong and a lie to refer to them as such.
4) No. Again I never said he has the answers. You need to know that things are not all black and white and need to stop always looking at things from such a lens or else we will never get anywhere and it will turn to be a big flop and turn off.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 29, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
They've tightened up the "racism" and free speech" laws in Israel since the days of RMK.

The things that CBP can get away with saying in NY would currently land him in Israel an even longer jail sentence than he served in the USA. Sentencing a true Yiddishe neshomoh like Chaim to 5 years in Ramle Jail for "incitement" is an Israeli lesbian leftist female judge's wet dream!

Bennett has got to be really careful, as they are looking for any excuse to ban him from the elections, like they did Kach in 1988. That Bennett or his family take a bullet/have an accident in the next 22 days is also a distinct possiblity, Hashem yishmor!

If Likud/Yisrael Beiteinu continue to haemhorage seats to Bayit Yehudi, there's an outside possibility that Bennett could actually be asked to be PM! Then we might have a low-grade Messianic contender - low-grade, but at least a contender!
Bull-loney. There are ways around the Israeli thought police and you know it. You aren't allowed to advocate kicking out the Arabs but you are allowed to request that they leave or offer to compensate them to emigrate. You aren't allowed to praise Jewish heroes but you are allowed to point out that they have been discriminated against, or to argue that they should have been included under the prisoner-releases and amnesties that Israel does several times a decade. You aren't allowed to say that soldiers must disobey orders to ethnically cleanse fellow Jews, but you are allowed to say that Jews must not be thrown out of their homes.

You are completely allowed to say that Israel must not kowtow to international pressure, and to say that it's time to sever the funding of the Shas mafia once and for all.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 29, 2012, 11:17:26 PM
1) No. I never claimed that he does. But at least he will prevent a "palestinian" state and then give us the chance to buy time and then to transfer them out.
The same way that Lewinsky has?
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2) I think soo.
I have heard of no such thing.
 
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3) That is not accurate. I do not agree with them and what they do but it is no different then the other parties demanding $ to their institutions and things. For example kibbutzim took billions. As did and do all sorts of groups and parties including for art, sports, music concerts and many other things. These 2 parties in particular fight for $ to those who learn Torah all day (by the way the $ is low) and its wrong to perpetuate the distortion of the media and the leftists who try to portray them as some sort of bloodsuckers. That is a lie. The people vote and that is how they want their $ distributed and it is soo. Now their are things that should and are being done inside the religious world to change some of these things, but never-the-less it is inaccurate, wrong and a lie to refer to them as such.
So, because Ron Paul advocates ending welfare and the income tax we must oppose that? That's crazy. Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter who says it. Shas is a parasitic entity and average Israelis all know it. In exchange for continuing to get money for their institutions and welfare handouts they vote however the Israeli government tells them to and then call it a halachic decision. Who are they kidding? I'd go so far as to call them the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of Israel.

Who cares if they aren't the only ones playing the Chicago crime boss racket in Israel and who cares if they are "religious"? I think it's worse that they are religious and work this racket in the name of G-d. Chaim himself has said that the Torah scholar stipend needs to be very strictly reformed so that only a small handful of genuine lifelong students receive it and I agree with him.
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4) No. Again I never said he has the answers. You need to know that things are not all black and white and need to stop always looking at things from such a lens or else we will never get anywhere and it will turn to be a big flop and turn off.
This is probably the most damning thing of all. He can argue that Jewish prisoners should be released as part of an amnesty, or that they should have been released when Arab prisoners are released. This more than any other issue tells me he is an utter fraud.

BTW, he has not even consistently said that Jews must not be thrown out of their homes. He has said that, but he has also said that orders must always be obeyed at any cost, period.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 30, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
  1) Pipi did not create a "palestinian" state. And their isn't one now (thank G-D)
  2) Maybe ill show you later.
  3) About how Israel spends its money that is up to us the people of Israel. I don't think you should be telling us how the $ should be distributed. Also about their not being real scholars or those really learning- another myth. People do learn and they are extremely regulated and penalized (the whole Yeshivot) for being late. Again this is a very long discussion, suddenly cutting funding to our people is wrong, disgusting and immoral. We will not do this but I do agree to a more long term solution to get more people in the Haredi community to find and do work. Cutting funding means that they and their families with small children don't have what to eat, literally. (And their are many problems already as it is).
  4)  Did say that Jews should not be thrown out, then about orders yes he did flip-flop.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 01:15:08 AM
  1) Pipi did not create a "palestinian" state. And their isn't one now (thank G-D)
Lewinsky is willing to consider one for Barack Hussein Obama.
 
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2) Maybe ill show you later.
He can say whatever he wants to get elected.
 
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3) About how Israel spends its money that is up to us the people of Israel. I don't think you should be telling us how the $ should be distributed. Also about their not being real scholars or those really learning- another myth. People do learn and they are extremely regulated and penalized (the whole Yeshivot) for being late. Again this is a very long discussion, suddenly cutting funding to our people is wrong, disgusting and immoral. We will not do this but I do agree to a more long term solution to get more people in the Haredi community to find and do work. Cutting funding means that they and their families with small children don't have what to eat, literally. (And their are many problems already as it is).
You have a point but Chaim himself agrees that this is a problem and I follow his judgment. Moreover, if significant sectors of the Israeli taxpaying public object to the special breaks and benefits that Shas/Agudah and their constituencies receive, I think it deserves redress. Why is large-scale redistribution of wealth ever okay in any country?

But this is besides the point; the point is that there is a pattern of Shas getting big handouts soon after it declares its support for something the Israeli government is doing. We couldn't have had Oslo without Shas, to give one terrible example.
 
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4)  Did say that Jews should not be thrown out, then about orders yes he did flip-flop.
As I said earlier, even if he did none of the rest of the above, this is enough to prove that he is unworthy of our support in any way.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Rubystars on December 30, 2012, 02:50:13 AM
I heard something along the lines of that he said IDF soldiers should follow orders to expel Jews. Is that true?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 02:59:24 AM
I heard something along the lines of that he said IDF soldiers should follow orders to expel Jews. Is that true?
He did not explicitly spell that out. He said on one occasion that Jews must not be removed from their homes, and then on another said that orders must not be disobeyed. It's the same thing though.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Rubystars on December 30, 2012, 05:18:17 AM
He did not explicitly spell that out. He said on one occasion that Jews must not be removed from their homes, and then on another said that orders must not be disobeyed. It's the same thing though.

What a schizo!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on December 30, 2012, 10:18:43 AM
בס''ד

The reason he speaks out of both sides of his mouth is because he wants the votes of both groups: those who favor disobeying orders to expel Jews and commit national suicide and those in favor of obeying these treasonous orders. This evil opportunist is a disastrous fraud.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 02:33:16 PM
בס''ד

The reason he speaks out of both sides of his mouth is because he wants the votes of both groups: those who favor disobeying orders to expel Jews and commit national suicide and those in favor of obeying these treasonous orders. This evil opportunist is a disastrous fraud.
Thank you for setting the record straight Chaim (not that I ever doubted that he is a fraud).
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
For the record could someone please post evidence that he said what he is accused of saying. I have been watching this from the beginning and it seems to me that people are repeating falsehoods over and over again. He said that he would not obey orders to evict, and he would rather ask to be excused from service. Then he said that this was not an endorsement for others to disobey orders. So nowhere did he say that he thinks others should disobey orders, just that he personally would have a problem of conscience doing so.

So before I believe this please show, in complete context, where he says what he is being accused of.

Thank you
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 30, 2012, 03:17:02 PM
I heard Bennett & Shaked speak tonight live. Bearing in mind that they are handicapped by having been born in Israel, they both came across very well - at least as well as people born in Israel can!

Some rabbi (the Malbim, I believe) said 150 years ago that the Moshiach will be born in America: we await Chaim!

Meanwhile we'll have to make do with Bennett. He came across as more "genuinely Jewish", trustworthy and less divisive that Eldan & Ben Ari! Bennett has the knack of reigniting the Jew  in the Israeli!

The Haredim in the audience enthusiastically clapped Ayelet, even in her tight jeans!

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Bennett is becoming so popular, that there's even talk of him making a coalition with Livni & Yachimovich, with Pipi sitting in the opposition!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 30, 2012, 04:08:29 PM
For the record could someone please post evidence that he said what he is accused of saying. I have been watching this from the beginning and it seems to me that people are repeating falsehoods over and over again. He said that he would not obey orders to evict, and he would rather ask to be excused from service. Then he said that this was not an endorsement for others to disobey orders. So nowhere did he say that he thinks others should disobey orders, just that he personally would have a problem of conscience doing so.

So before I believe this please show, in complete context, where he says what he is being accused of.

Thank you

So if you don't follow the news it's our job to dispel your misconceptions and "belief" in this new shiny personality?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 04:19:24 PM
So if you don't follow the news it's our job to dispel your misconceptions and "belief" in this new shiny personality?

KWRBT,

You must be whacked to say this. I read the news every day. I post quite a lot of information from a variety of sites. I have not seen any mention where he says that a soldier should disobey orders. I originally posted when he said that he would ask to be excused and would have a problem of conscience obeying such orders. Then I saw the accusations that he said to disobey orders, which was untrue. What he said is plain to see, and only those who twist words can say he said anything contrary.

Your obvious attack on me only makes what you say suspect. It should be simple to demonstrate that he said this, if he said this. But all I have seen is attacks from Bibi and Livni saying he said something he didn't say. So now you join in with their false claims?

If you show that he said this then you will convince me I am wrong. But I read the news about this every day, and to make an accusation like you made is completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 04:28:17 PM
What I continue to be fascinated about the JTF message is that there is a complete lack of message other than all Israeli politicians are evil. OK, that is a nice message but THEN WHAT? Ok so anyone who votes in the Israeli election must be evil because they are voting for evil people, so that is the logic here. So living in Israel is wrong because there is no alternative other than electing fake rightists who are giving away the land. So the entire aliyah experience is evil because it is supporting the evil Israeli politicians who are selling out the state. Every single politician who rises upon a message of apparent right wing politics in Israel is a fake and a phony, according to our organizations mantra, because they are dealing with a system which requires coalitions. There is no alternative to this, this is politics, and short of a civil war this will not change.

So what is it that you are trying to accomplish... I have never seen a cohesive plan for this although I have brought this up so many times. The plan to cause Jews to sit on their hands and wring them in desperation because there is no politician who speaks for us only works for our enemies. I see this entire 'anti-Bennet' campaign falling right into the phony rights hands, causing their parties to be distanced from the undesirable extremism of the hard-core Kahanists. The real right wing is pretty much aware of the facts according to comments I have read on various Israeli news sites.

I would appreciate a real answer to these real questions... Because it is getting very difficult to see a future for Israel with the outlook I get from some members here at JTF.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 30, 2012, 05:01:29 PM

  As I said earlier, even if he did none of the rest of the above, this is enough to prove that he is unworthy of our support in any way.

  I never said to go support him. But some of the claims are simply not correct and its a waist to concentrate fighting him and some others in the right (or phony "right"). It all comes down to 1 fear. What will the goyim (or State) think? Almost all Jews have this to a certain degree (more or less). Even almost everyone here as well. Ron is the only guy I can think of that perhaps would not have this at all. Just perhaps.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 05:02:06 PM
What I continue to be fascinated about the JTF message is that there is a complete lack of message other than all Israeli politicians are evil. OK, that is a nice message but THEN WHAT? Ok so anyone who votes in the Israeli election must be evil because they are voting for evil people, so that is the logic here. So living in Israel is wrong because there is no alternative other than electing fake rightists who are giving away the land. So the entire aliyah experience is evil because it is supporting the evil Israeli politicians who are selling out the state. Every single politician who rises upon a message of apparent right wing politics in Israel is a fake and a phony, according to our organizations mantra, because they are dealing with a system which requires coalitions. There is no alternative to this, this is politics, and short of a civil war this will not change.

So what is it that you are trying to accomplish... I have never seen a cohesive plan for this although I have brought this up so many times. The plan to cause Jews to sit on their hands and wring them in desperation because there is no politician who speaks for us only works for our enemies. I see this entire 'anti-Bennet' campaign falling right into the phony rights hands, causing their parties to be distanced from the undesirable extremism of the hard-core Kahanists. The real right wing is pretty much aware of the facts according to comments I have read on various Israeli news sites.

I would appreciate a real answer to these real questions... Because it is getting very difficult to see a future for Israel with the outlook I get from some members here at JTF.
Nobody's forcing you to be at JTF Muman. If you don't like our message maybe it's just not for you. We aren't going to put a turd on a stick and pretend that it's a kosher hot dog. The whole entire reason why Chaim/Hayamin is different from all of the phony alternatives in Israel is because they tell the whole truth and nothing but and do not cling to the vain hope that some of the mainstream politicians are going to turn from their wicked ways and become our allies. There is a difference between wishful thinking and taking action to put our dreams into reality.

We are trying to build Hayamin into a mass movement. If Hayamin is a mass movement (and Chaim is allowed to make aliyah), then we will have real alternatives, not these rich playboys that say "G-d this, Hashem that" and then turn around and behave exactly like all of the other filthy establishment secular people of the world. Until then I'm not going to put scales on my eyes and pretend that the current crop of losers is an acceptable stand-in for Chaim.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 05:04:48 PM
  I never said to go support him. But some of the claims are simply not correct and its a waist to concentrate fighting him and some others in the right (or phony "right"). It all comes down to 1 fear. What will the goyim (or State) think? Almost all Jews have this to a certain degree (more or less). Even almost everyone here as well. Ron is the only guy I can think of that perhaps would not have this at all. Just perhaps.
The phony right is not just some barking junkyard dog we can ignore. The phony right is what has done 98% of the damage to the state of Israel that has taken place over the last 40 years. Who surrendered the Sinai, Golda Meir or Menachem Begin? Who signed on to Oslo if not Shas and Agudah? Who surrendered Chevron, Shimon Peres or Lewinsky? Who brought us "disengagement"? Who is refusing to stop Iran's nuclear Shoah program as we speak?

Who are the people viciously slandering Chaim? Who are the people working to prevent him from making aliyah?

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 30, 2012, 05:14:26 PM
KWRBT,

You must be whacked to say this. I read the news every day. I post quite a lot of information from a variety of sites. I have not seen any mention where he says that a soldier should disobey orders. I originally posted when he said that he would ask to be excused and would have a problem of conscience obeying such orders. Then I saw the accusations that he said to disobey orders, which was untrue. What he said is plain to see, and only those who twist words can say he said anything contrary.

Your obvious attack on me

Jeez dude you are really defensive!  Chill out with these so called "attacks". Its nothing like that.  I just find it rather irritating that everything I, chaim, CF, tag mechir, and so on have all said up to this point about bennett you assume is false or a lie.  Sure its good when people cite information, but we are all just commenting on what's been in the news and reeacting to that.  Do you really think that ALL of us have some mysterious agenda to spread untrue cr.ap about bennett here?!

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only makes what you say suspect. 
only because you choose not to believe it!

My basic reaction is, why don't you try google first before stating to the forum you're in complete disbelief of what we're saying with no logical reason whatsoever except your misplaced and confused belief in so+called "unity" and the appeal of bennetts persona ?  Those don't pass muster as rational reasons.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 05:30:03 PM
Agreed, KWRBT.

Muman--Bennett is a pretty, fresh face with a skullcap that rehashes all the same false promises that Lewinsky, Lieberman, Sharansky, etc. have made over the better part of two decades. That's it. Period. I posted a link to a great opinion piece that gave specific examples of how he talks out of both sides of his mouth (not an extremist-right opinion piece either) in his campaigning and your response to me was "I don't think it's ethical for you to change the words in your quote". Really? I posted a splendid article about Bennett's views and that was your grand comeback?

At various times on this forum, you have supported, defended, or minimized the actions of Lewinsky, Shas/Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and the fake Kahanists (whose names do not need to be mentioned). In particular I vividly remember that you once wrote "Bibi is a good Jew, not as tough as we are, but a good Jew." I guess you think JTF has unfairly misunderstood them all. I guess there is no reason for Chaim to be in Israel since the existing "right" that we have basically consists of good people that just occasionally make mistakes.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: nessuno on December 30, 2012, 05:38:59 PM

What I continue to be fascinated about the JTF message is that there is a complete lack of message other than all Israeli politicians are evil. OK, that is a nice message but THEN WHAT? Ok so anyone who votes in the Israeli election must be evil because they are voting for evil people, so that is the logic here. So living in Israel is wrong because there is no alternative other than electing fake rightists who are giving away the land. So the entire aliyah experience is evil because it is supporting the evil Israeli politicians who are selling out the state. Every single politician who rises upon a message of apparent right wing politics in Israel is a fake and a phony, according to our organizations mantra, because they are dealing with a system which requires coalitions. There is no alternative to this, this is politics, and short of a civil war this will not change.

So what is it that you are trying to accomplish... I have never seen a cohesive plan for this although I have brought this up so many times. The plan to cause Jews to sit on their hands and wring them in desperation because there is no politician who speaks for us only works for our enemies. I see this entire 'anti-Bennet' campaign falling right into the phony rights hands, causing their parties to be distanced from the undesirable extremism of the hard-core Kahanists. The real right wing is pretty much aware of the facts according to comments I have read on various Israeli news sites.

I would appreciate a real answer to these real questions... Because it is getting very difficult to see a future for Israel with the outlook I get from some members here at JTF.

You were doing better when you were picking on the Vatican.   :::D
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 05:40:19 PM
You were doing better when you were picking on the Vatican.   :::D
Me???
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 05:41:08 PM
I sincerely believe that Chaim would be great for Israeli politics. This is why I continue supporting JTF and I tell others about this great organization. I do get a bit disconcerted at times because it seems like, as I said, there doesn't seem to be a cohesive plan to move forward. I would like to know if there is any effort to change whatever law or force it is which prevents him from making Aliyah. I read the documentation he posted and it was not clear exactly what the issue was, why he was denied entry. If he could make Aliyah I would be very happy, and I would have more hope that change would come.

I believe that we need to be able to have hope in order to continue to fight for what is right. I have seen that some JTF members want to just give up on some of the fights, to which I say we should never give up. But I too believe that we cannot simply rely on miracles, we must take action to achieve the goals which we want to achieve. What is needed is some very cool-headed and clear planning for making our goals come true. Indeed I believe that money is tight, and it is difficult to mount a campaign with low funds. But I do believe that if some planning was done, and intelligent managers and planners are brought into the project, that we could come up with a more cohesive plan and the ability to influence public opinion. Do I have all the answers? Of course not but I only want to be able to contribute what I can to a winning strategy.

I am sorry if I seem defensive. But I do spend a lot of hours reading news and keeping up with the events in Israel. To imply what you implied seemed upsetting to me.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 30, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
Sour grapes, outright inanity or sage wisdom, or a bit of all 3 from Sackett in his latest newsletter?!



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5 Myths About the Upcoming Elections


By Shmuel Sackett

Myth #1) Likud is losing seats to Bayit HaYehudi – Not true!
What is happening is simple. The ridiculous marriage of Likud to Leiberman ("Yisrael Beitenu") has caused hundreds of thousands of voters to run away but not because of Likud! The voters will not be voting for the Likud-Lieberman ticket because of LIEBERMAN!!! The voters don't trust him, respect him or even like him. He runs his party like a one-man mafia and does not accept criticism gently. He is about to receive a very serious criminal indictment and his political life is terminally ill. The problem with his illness is that he is pulling Likud down with him. All polls show that if Lieberman would be running by himself, as he did the last several elections, his 15 seats would dwindle to 3-5. In short, he is following the Kadima model where success turns into total failure in just one Knesset term.

What has saved Lieberman is the deal he cut with Bibi. In the words of a major Likud minister, who asked that we not mention his name, Lieberman's deal with Bibi is like winning the Power Ball lottery without even buying a ticket! He brings nothing to the table – on the contrary! He is dragging Likud into the mud and into his political collapse.

Today, Likud/Lieberman have 42 seats but polls show them dropping to 32 – a loss of 10.
Today, Bayit HaYehudi/Tekuma have 5 seats but polls show them growing to 15 – a gain of 10.
These 10 seats which Likud/Lieberman is losing are coming 100% from the Lieberman side. About a month ago, the members of Likud selected a very right-wing Knesset list which included Feiglin, Danon, Hotoveli, Levine and Elkin in the top 15. This was an exciting list which experts knew would attract the average voter. Everyone knows that Israelis have been steadily moving to the right and this list would be the "dream team" that Likud was hoping for. The media was talking about at least 10 new seats for Likud (today Likud has just 27) and the energy level was high.

Those exact 10 seats, however, are NOT going to Likud. While the voters are happy with Feiglin, Danon etc.. they are extremely bitter and upset about Lieberman. Those 10 right wing, Jewish-oriented Knesset seats needed a home and they certainly weren't going to Lapid, Yechimovich, Livni or even Shas. The natural place for them was therefore Bayit HaYehudi led by Naftali Bennett. Simply put, he is in the right place at the right time and should send a nice "thank you" card to Lieberman!

Myth #2) Moshe Feiglin does not like Naftali Bennett and has been attacking him in the media – Not true! Moshe has said, many times, that Bennett has restored respect to the "knitted kippa" sector in Israel. For the last 20 years, this sector has been virtually ignored. The politicians leading this sector have been good little students sitting and behaving quietly. Although they protested the Gush Katif expulsion, they walked away without more than a peep. Their leaders have sat in various governments and have accomplished virtually nothing. Although this sector leads Israel in its percentage of combat soldiers, teachers and pioneers of the land, they have been complete zeroes politically. Naftali Bennett has changed all that and has revived this sleeping giant. He has infused the knitted kippot with pride and enthusiasm and has convinced them of their political strength.

The problem that Moshe Feiglin has with Naftali Bennett is not with him personally. It is with Bennett's tactic and strategy. Feiglin has written, lectured and lives his life according to the principle that the knitted kippot's strength come from NOT being a separate sector! Just like these young fighters enter the regular IDF and live in mixed communities with their secular brothers, the same must be done politically. Unlike the Haredim whose philosophy is separation, the religious Zionists pride themselves on living together – as one people and one nation – so why separate yourselves when it comes to politics???

12 years ago, when Moshe entered politics, he chose Likud as his vehicle for one simple reason: That is where Am Yisrael is!!! Although Moshe wears a knitted kippa, lives in a "settlement" and looks like your basic "Dati Leumi" (religious Zionist) guy, he refuses to back himself into that corner. This ideology has cost Moshe dearly – with 12 years of political scars to prove it – but he wouldn't change it for anything. Leading the Nation of Israel, which is Moshe's dream, can only come from a non-sectorial party. It would have been much easier for Moshe to form his own party, or resurrect the Mafdal – which is what Bennett has done – but Feiglin believes that doing that is the quick road to nowhere.

There are also several differences of opinion between Moshe Feiglin and Naftali Bennett on the ideological level and these are important to highlight. Bennett has stated, several times, how he wants to see Gaza become "the Singapore of the Middle East for the Palestinians". Moshe differs with that statement in two ways: First of all; there's no such thing as "the Palestinians" – never was, never will be. Second of all; Moshe's dream is to return Jewish life to the Gaza strip by bringing all the Jewish towns back – bigger and better than ever! Another difference between them is the fact that Bennett is calling for Israel to immediately annex "Area C" in Judea and Samaria – and to give the Arabs who live there full voting rights in Knesset elections! Moshe, on the other hand, is calling for Israel to immediately annex the ENTIRE Judea and Samaria – with no voting rights at all for Arabs in national elections. Moshe has stated that the only way to win this war is to immediately show – by strong and proud actions - that the entire land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people. Thinking that we can annex "Area C" now and deal with "Areas A and B" later is submitting to weakness and to the argument that the land is truly not ours.

Finally, the fiasco that happened with Bennett supporting refusal of orders when evacuating Jews from their homes, only to reverse it a few hours later demonstrates how he and his party puts the State above everything else. This is not the way a true Jewish leader acts. While Moshe understands the importance of the State – and is willing to become a loyal servant to her laws and rules – the ultimate authority is our Father in Heaven.

Therefore, in summary of this myth, all that has been said about Naftali Bennett, is strictly on the strategic, tactical and ideological level. Many of his actions have advantages, but eventually they will lead to frustration and despair.

Myth #3) Moshe Feiglin does not want Naftali Bennett in a Likud coalition – Not true!
Actually, just the opposite is true! Even with the differences stated above, Moshe would love Bennett as part of the ruling coalition. He would also love that coalition to include Baruch Marzel, Rabbi Amsalem and anyone – religious or not – who connects to Israel as a strong and proud Jewish State. From the day that Moshe and I started Manhigut Yehudit we stated – loud and clear – that the ultimate goal for Israel is to have one umbrella party called "Jewish Israel" as the ruling coalition. That party would be made up of many smaller parties with the common denominator being leadership of the state according to Jewish values and concepts. Obviously, there would be many differences of opinion between these groups, but for the sake of the nation – these differences would be put aside. The focus would be on what unites these groups and not what divides them!

While we have our differences with Bennett's strategy we applaud his vision for Israel to be independent, strong, proud and focused on its Jewish identity. This is an amazing goal and one that must be advanced in any way possible. This is why we wish the Bayit HaYehudi party much success in the upcoming elections. We hope they will take away votes from those parties that do not share this vision and we would love to see them in a Likud-led coalition. We wish them success so that our good friends Hillel Horowitz (from Hebron) and Jeremy Gimpel – both of whom who were recently honored at Manhigut Yehudit dinners – will enter the Knesset and become rising stars. Furthermore, we wish success to Michael Ben-Ari, Aryeh Eldad, Baruch Marzel and Aryeh King of the "Otzma LeYisrael" party who are all great fighters for the land of Israel as well as to Chaim Amsalem who is trying to break through barriers in his battle against Shas. These men all identify with Israel as a strong and proud Jewish state and we welcome them in a Likud-led coalition.

Myth #4) Bayit HaYehudi will become a force in Israeli politics for years to come – This is an opinion, so saying "True" or "False" will be silly but allow me to explain why I believe it is false.
History has shown, time and again, that sectorial parties rise and fall quickly. In recent years we have seen several examples of this trend: In 2003 Shinui received 15 seats yet it was ZERO by the next elections. In 2006 the Pensioners received 7 seats, which again fell to ZERO by the next elections. In 2009 Kadima received 28 seats but polls are showing that they will not pass the minimum in these current elections. The result will therefore be ZERO. In 2009 Lieberman's party received 15 seats and if not for the life-line extended to him by Bibi, they would be down to 3-5. This clearly shows that parties that are either break-aways (such as Kadima, which broke from Likud) or sectorial parties (Shinui – ultra left, Pensioners – senior citizens and Lieberman – Russians) are here today and gone tomorrow.

The only exception to this rule has been Shas, which is definitely a sectorial party, but always hovers around the same amount. They have seen peaks in their success but then they tend to drop back down. In 1992 they received 6 Knesset seats and then it started to rise: 1996 – 10 and by 1999 they were up to 17. Since then, 2003 – 11, 2006 – 12 and 2009 – 11. Polls show them in these elections at 10-12.

The same has happened – and will continue to happen – with the Bayit HaYehudi. They will definitely rise in these elections (for the reasons stated above) but then they will crash down. In the last 35 years the Mafdal/Bayit HaYehudi has gone from 12 seats in 1977 to 4 seats in 1984 and up to 9 seats in 2006. Therefore, even though they will rise to an all-time high of about 15-17 in these current elections, they will drop immediately afterwards. The reason for their inevitable collapse is because – long term – they do not offer answers to what Israelis are looking for. Although they are trying to build themselves as a wide-ranging Jewish party, the Israeli voter will not buy it over an extended period of time and the Bayit HaYehudi will slip back into its knitted kippa shell. This will be very unfortunate because this party has many capable people who will be great representatives of the Jewish people for years to come. Unfortunately, their political careers will come to an abrupt end as this party begins its decline.

The only solution – and we have said this over and again – is to build our strength inside Likud. Although this party has also seen ups and downs, it is not going anywhere. As a matter of fact, if people like Naftali Bennett would join Likud, instead of a sectorial party, the country would be empowered with serious, young, idealistic leaders for years to come.

Myth #5) Moshe Feiglin is definitely going to be an MK so his supporters should vote for Bayit HaYehudi in order to give them more seats – Not true!

Bibi Netanyahu has stated many times that he will not accept Bayit HaYehudi as a partner in his coalition. As stated earlier in this article, we are against that position of Bibi and feel that Bennett and his fellow MK's should be inside a coalition led by Likud. The problem, however, is that Bibi will not ask us what we think when he goes to form a government. He will set the rules and will build his coalition as he sees fit. B'ezrat Hashem, in the near future, when Moshe Feiglin is the leader of Likud, parties like Bayit HaYehudi will not have a problem entering a Likud government but we will need to wait a few more years for that to happen.

In the meantime, Bibi will do whatever he can to keep Bennett out. This means that Bennett's 15 or even 20 Knesset seats are powerless! Simply put; they will accomplish nothing. They will sit in the opposition – and may even lead the opposition – but will be out of the game. The only MK's capable of putting up a fight against a Palestinian state will be the ones inside Likud and the coalition. The more seats Likud gets, the stronger that opposition will be. As reported many times in the media, Likud voters elected a very right wing, hawkish list. Our goal must be to get as many of these people elected as possible. If Likud/Lieberman ends up with only 30 MK's, Bibi will need to reach out to both Yair Lapid and Shelly Yechimovich to form his government. Is that what you want??? On the other hand, if Likud/Lieberman end up with 40 Mk's then these leftist parties will be able to watch Likud lead the country from their television sets! It is clear then, that we must do whatever we can to strengthen the Likud ticket and bring them as many MK's as possible, far and above from just getting Moshe Feiglin elected.

Conclusion: I am sorry for writing such a long article but these myths needed to be cleared up. I urge you to study these words carefully and know the real facts. Feel free to send me your comments and/or questions. We need to know the truth.
 

Shmuel Sackett

[email protected]




 
 
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: nessuno on December 30, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
Me???
Nooooooooooo!  Not you.  :o
I think you have made great posts.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
Agreed, KWRBT.

Muman--Bennett is a pretty, fresh face with a skullcap that rehashes all the same false promises that Lewinsky, Lieberman, Sharansky, etc. have made over the better part of two decades. That's it. Period. I posted a link to a great opinion piece that gave specific examples of how he talks out of both sides of his mouth (not an extremist-right opinion piece either) in his campaigning and your response to me was "I don't think it's ethical for you to change the words in your quote". Really? I posted a splendid article about Bennett's views and that was your grand comeback?

At various times on this forum, you have supported, defended, or minimized the actions of Lewinsky, Shas/Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and the fake Kahanists (whose names do not need to be mentioned). In particular I vividly remember that you once wrote "Bibi is a good Jew, not as tough as we are, but a good Jew." I guess you think JTF has unfairly misunderstood them all. I guess there is no reason for Chaim to be in Israel since the existing "right" that we have basically consists of good people that just occasionally make mistakes.

The article clearly used Livnis incorrect attack, he never said that a soldier should disobey orders. Once again, he said that he would have a problem of conscience carrying out the order and would ask to be excused. I just did a google search on the topic and cannot find where he says anything which opposes his initial statement.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=bennet+disobey+order&oq=bennet+disobey+order&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i400.1866.4486.0.4649.20.4.0.16.16.0.62.235.4.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.L1vVJ5WJQ9k

Here Meotti defends Bennets statement:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12633#.UODFXWL1T0E
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 05:54:40 PM
This is his explanation, which is what I already understood... He did not say that soldiers should disobey, just that he would have a moral problem of conscience, which is a reason to be excused from such an action...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4323142,00.html



Bennett, an officer with the IDF's reserve corps, said in interviews earlier this week that his conscience wouldn't allow him to kick a person out of his land, be it a Jew or an Arab.
 
"You won't hear me calling for disobedience because that would devastate the army," he told Ynet on Wednesday. "But as a soldier, if I were to be ordered to expel someone, I would say that I can't and that I'm willing to pay the price." He reiterated the remarks in an interview with Channel 2 on Thursday.
 
On Saturday, after his comments caused a stir, he tried to qualify his statements.
 
"I spoke from the bottom of my heart on Thursday and I won't apologize for it," he told reporters.



I suppose you could say that it was assumed that his initial statement called on others to disobey, then maybe he flipped. But I believe it was a good thing to express the idea that there are orders which a Jew should have problems obeying.

See what David Bedein says about this...

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dbedein/the-moral-imperative-to-refuse-an-immoral-or-illegal-military-order-in-israel/
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 06:10:08 PM
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At various times on this forum, you have supported, defended, or minimized the actions of Lewinsky, Shas/Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and the fake Kahanists (whose names do not need to be mentioned). In particular I vividly remember that you once wrote "Bibi is a good Jew, not as tough as we are, but a good Jew." I guess you think JTF has unfairly misunderstood them all. I guess there is no reason for Chaim to be in Israel since the existing "right" that we have basically consists of good people that just occasionally make mistakes.

You again distort what has happened historically. In most of these cases you mention I would not join in CURSING them as you liberally curse them. And I will stand by that, I do not curse them... They are not perfect, they may have done wrong, but a Jew doesn't curse another Jew, especially not in front of non-Jews... At least most of the good Jews I know don't do this, and the Rabbis do not suggest that we should do so either. Chaim is aware of this, as you well know, and I have heard what he said on Ask JTF when you ask him to curse certain people.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
I've abided by Chaim's wishes just fine. He says that we must not hate the fake Kahanists--that's fine by me. We can all still point out that they are phonies who would say and do anything to get elected, which is what he does. You seem to be confusing "not hating" with "supporting" in the case of Bennett. Chaim has explained why we must not support him. You can choose to do so, but don't expect most of JTF to agree with you.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
I've abided by Chaim's wishes just fine. He says that we must not hate the fake Kahanists--that's fine by me. We can all still point out that they are phonies who would say and do anything to get elected, which is what he does. You seem to be confusing "not hating" with "supporting" in the case of Bennett. Chaim has explained why we must not support him. You can choose to do so, but don't expect most of JTF to agree with you.

I have also not said explicitly I support him. I simply want to be able to make the decision myself whether he said what some people say he said. I do not know enough to make a very good point one way or the other. I just know what I read on A7 and other sites. But I also detected a bit of twisting by the left of what he said, which was jumped on by some of what is called the phony right... This is all I am saying.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 07:32:58 PM
Good find Dan.... And it is an interesting plan.... But it does involve giving up territory which should not be given up.

But here we are confronted with the issue of removing the current arab population. As we are believers in Kahanes vision, we believe that they should be relocated to areas outside of Israel. But at this point in time I don't think the Israeli public, and the world, is prepared for this approach. So while I agree he is walking a very suspect path by giving up Jewish land he is attempting to avoid political suicide by having to explain how to deal with those arabs in areas A + B...

Thank you for this video...

PS: As far as I can tell he did not create Areas A,B, & C... They are currently areas defined by the government.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
This article discusses this plan in some more detail.... But it reveals something I was not aware of. Bennet has been a part of Yesha council which has a history of failing to support the Settlers...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163386#.UODdm2L1T0E

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Jewish Home chairman Naftali Bennett says he will propose to the Knesset that Israel annex Area C and offer citizenship to some 50,000 Arabs.

The area is under the complete control of Israel's government under the Oslo Accords document signed by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority in the early 1990s. All the Israelis in Judea and Samaria live in Area C and only 4% of the Palestinian Arabs live in that zone, with the rest in Areas A and B. The three zones were defined in the Oslo II Interim Agreement of 1995.

Bennett says he is under no illusions that the Arab residents of the zone desire to be Israeli citizens. But the newly-installed party head, an immigrant from the United States, says it's the best alternative.

A former head of the Yesha Council and a resident of the Judean community of Neve Daniel, Bennett has advocated for annexation of Area C for a long time, making it part of his party's platform. He pointed out that there are more than 300,000 Jews and only 55,000 Arabs currently living in the zone, which comprises a bit more than 60 percent of the total area of Judea and Samaria.
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Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 07:43:27 PM
This article discusses this plan in some more detail.... But it reveals something I was not aware of. Bennet has been a part of Yesha council which has a history of failing to support the Settlers...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163386#.UODdm2L1T0E
This is another one of those "that's all I need to know about him" issues. Anyone who has belonged to or supported the Auschwitz Council should lose their Israeli citizenship and be exiled to Garbage City in Cairo or Sadr City in Iraq.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 30, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
Is there anyone on Bennett's list whom we should particularly watch out for, pro or against?

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Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 30, 2012, 08:40:43 PM
Here is a recent video from Naftali Bennett's ZooTube account where he lays out a so-called plan that divides Judea & Samaria up into 3 districts, and 2 of those districts are given away to terrorist control.  He may not support kicking Jews out of their homes, but he clearly does not support continued settlement of Israel nor does he care about dealing decisively with the terror threat.  He seems to worry too much about being called "apartheid" by the world when the leader of Israel needs to be someone who will do what's right and tell the world to go screw themselves.  His plan is just more weakness and something we could expect from a Yesha Council guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1oFOEY_6lM&list=UU4x7LYSzgGH

Naftali Bennett very obviously agrees with the Oslo paradigm.   Anyone who listens to what he says can comprehend that.   Some here refuse to listen to what he says, though.  Or, they only want to listen when he says something likable.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 30, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
Naftali Bennett very obviously agrees with the Oslo paradigm.   Anyone who listens to what he says can comprehend that.   Some here refuse to listen to what he says, though.  Or, they only want to listen when he says something likable.
Agreed. And people say that Mitt Romney flipflopped. Next to Bennett, the Mormon is positively a paragon of unflinching conviction.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Secularbeliever on December 31, 2012, 12:14:37 AM
lol, I didn't say that I know anything.   I just asked a question.

It's a logical question because he is the former chief of staff of Bibi Netanyahu.    Since you didn't know that information, you thought my question was out of left field, but in fact, it's really not.   It's a very pertinent question to ask.

If we do not at least consider this possibility we are doing ourselves a disservice.   I am sick and tired of Jews being deceived and betrayed.

Let me suggest you try substituting Kahane Was Right BT for Bennett and sexual deviant for "mole for Nethanyahi" and you will understand why we do not accuse people of things without any proof.  Do unto others as you would have them do to you.  A perfect application. 
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on December 31, 2012, 12:59:09 AM
Bennett doesn't claim to be Kahanist, just a Religious Zionst.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Meerkat on December 31, 2012, 01:39:27 AM
I'm somewhat skeptical but optimistic about Bennet. Before I support or oppose him I want to see what he does in the Knesset. Him being from the yesha council is a massive turn-off for me.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on December 31, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
Bayit Yehudi's English website
http://baityehudi.org.il/englp/
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 31, 2012, 10:07:42 AM
Bayit Yehudi's English website
http://baityehudi.org.il/englp/

 Did not know that Jeremy Gimpel was in that party.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 31, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
Let me suggest you try substituting Kahane Was Right BT for Bennett and sexual deviant for "mole for Nethanyahi" and you will understand why we do not accuse people of things without any proof.  Do unto others as you would have them do to you.  A perfect application.

But if I had worked for a pimp before as his PR specialist, then it would be a valid question to ask about me!  "Perfect application," indeed.    It so happens that no, I was never employed by a pimp.

You made the same mistake as tag mechir by assuming that there is no logical train of thought involved.  It's not a blanket accusation out of left field.   It's a sensible question because how can you expect this person to magically change his ideological stripes all of a sudden considering who he worked for and what vision he adopted before?    If not a literal mole of netanyahu, he is even more likely another version of netanyahu who wears a kipa but wants the power and leadership for himself, not to play second fiddle to netayahu anymore.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 31, 2012, 11:28:59 AM
Let me suggest you try substituting Kahane Was Right BT for Bennett and sexual deviant for "mole for Nethanyahi" and you will understand why we do not accuse people of things without any proof.  Do unto others as you would have them do to you.  A perfect application.
This is getting way out of hand. Chaim addressed the matter both on the forum and at length in Ask JTF. It's just unbelievable that even in the face of that that this poser has as many defenders as he does. Bennett will say and do absolutely anything to get elected because he stands for nothing and lives for nothing besides his massive riches.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on December 31, 2012, 11:36:52 AM
This is getting way out of hand. Chaim addressed the matter both on the forum and at length in Ask JTF. It's just unbelievable that even in the face of that that this poser has as many defenders as he does. Bennett will say and do absolutely anything to get elected because he stands for nothing and lives for nothing besides his massive riches.

 first off I thought you were for free market and for people prospering? He made millions off his company, and your point?

 Secondly your newest "screen name" is ridiculous and "  getting way out of hand" . Why cant we disagree with him without using such language?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 31, 2012, 02:00:53 PM
I am not using needlessly harsh language. Chaim called him an evil opportunist and fraud.

His wealth matters a whole lot. It proves that he is yet another greedy elite with no love for his people. With his megafortune, he could make the hilltop movement huge if he wanted to and fund a legal and media campaign that would certainly get Chaim into Israel. He is no different from the Tel Aviv media and entertainment leftists that just want to enjoy their cushy lives behind the bars of gated neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Secularbeliever on January 01, 2013, 02:11:12 AM
But if I had worked for a pimp before as his PR specialist, then it would be a valid question to ask about me!  "Perfect application," indeed.    It so happens that no, I was never employed by a pimp.

You made the same mistake as tag mechir by assuming that there is no logical train of thought involved.  It's not a blanket accusation out of left field.   It's a sensible question because how can you expect this person to magically change his ideological stripes all of a sudden considering who he worked for and what vision he adopted before?    If not a literal mole of netanyahu, he is even more likely another version of netanyahu who wears a kipa but wants the power and leadership for himself, not to play second fiddle to netayahu anymore.

If he was hiding his past affiliations with Nethanyahu I would agree with you.  I understand Chaim's criticism but let's face it politics is a dirty business that tends to turn politicians into people who are less than 100% truthful.  Since Chaim is not running and not endorsing anybody the reality is that people are left to choose between Bibi and Benett.  Is it right or wrong to prefer Benett?  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Secularbeliever on January 01, 2013, 02:14:24 AM
This is getting way out of hand. Chaim addressed the matter both on the forum and at length in Ask JTF. It's just unbelievable that even in the face of that that this poser has as many defenders as he does. Bennett will say and do absolutely anything to get elected because he stands for nothing and lives for nothing besides his massive riches.

Obviously money is something he knows how to obtain.  He is not a career politician and does not need the job as a Knesset member.  I consider that a positive.  I am willing to give him a chance since the alternative is Bibi, someone we know we don't want.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: בַּחַמַל on January 01, 2013, 03:06:52 AM
I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a sex pervert like Olmert.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: realist26 on January 01, 2013, 12:48:45 PM
Bennett is not a kahanist and does not profess to be a kahanist.  However, there is a role for him to play as a religious guy with charisma that will attract some people a little further towards the right.  His emergence is so far a positive
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 01, 2013, 01:40:52 PM
If he was hiding his past affiliations with Nethanyahu I would agree with you.  I understand Chaim's criticism but let's face it politics is a dirty business that tends to turn politicians into people who are less than 100% truthful.  Since Chaim is not running and not endorsing anybody the reality is that people are left to choose between Bibi and Benett.  Is it right or wrong to prefer Benett?  Time will tell.

This is the exact same argument people made with regards to Olmert and Netanyahu.     People said, well, Bibi isn't perfect and isn't a Kahanist but he's better than Olmert!     And yet, he has policy that is no different from Olmert.   In what was is he better?   Because he gives power to Likud party hacks instead of Kadima party hacks?   They have the same exact agenda re the arab enemy.   Same exact corrupt, bankrupt, suicidal, confused national vision.

So now along comes another clone, but this one wears a kipa and leads the Mafdal party.   He has he same 2-state vision and he will not support the settlers and he will not oppose the establishment.    And now I'm told, well, he's not perfect but he's better than Netanyahu.   How so?    And how many times for this pattern to repeat itself before people start realizing that these hacks are not going to change anything unless they have a Kahanist outlook and completely reject the paradigm of current Israeli leadership.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 01, 2013, 02:10:20 PM
Nafraudi is worse than Lewinsky and Holemert because he pretends to be religious.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on January 01, 2013, 02:14:28 PM
Nafraudi is worse than Lewinsky and Holemert because he pretends to be religious.

And you know this how? Who are you to say who is religious or not? Jewish belief is not a right-wing left-wing thing... It is faith in Hashem and keeping the commandments....

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Aces High on January 01, 2013, 02:14:53 PM
Within a day Netenyahu scared the living crap out of Bennett, (behind the scene threats)  and Bennett changed his tune.  As expected, he got right in line with Netenyahu.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on January 01, 2013, 02:15:58 PM
Within a day Netenyahu scared the living crap out of Bennett, (behind the scene threats)  and Bennett changed his tune.  As expected, he got right in line with Netenyahu.

What are you talking about? What tune did he change?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Aces High on January 01, 2013, 02:27:33 PM
What are you talking about? What tune did he change?

Is that how you usually ask someone a question? 
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on January 01, 2013, 02:35:04 PM
Is that how you usually ask someone a question?

I ask the question because I have not seen anywhere where he changed his tune. Maybe you could point out where you heard or read this so we can make a decision based on facts. I have posted several times what he has said, and his response concerning when he was accused of saying that he said IDF officers should disobey orders (which he never said). I would really like to see where he ever backed down from what he said. He said several days after exactly what he was saying before, that he would have a real problem obeying such orders to the point of asking that he be excused, and if not he would consider going to prison for disobeying. But he did not say he suggests this for other officers. I suspect you would have expected him to say that everyone should disobey orders, but I would never expect a politician in todays Israel to say such a thing. It would be political suicide.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 01, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Within a day Netenyahu scared the living crap out of Bennett, (behind the scene threats)  and Bennett changed his tune.  As expected, he got right in line with Netenyahu.
I don't agree with you actually. I think Nafraudi was always a fake completely independent of Lewinsky. I don't doubt that Lewinsky and Likud are sleazy enough to try to pressure their opposition but it's not like he just gave into a little strongarming. Nafraudi is out for only one person, Nafraudi.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Secularbeliever on January 02, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
This is the exact same argument people made with regards to Olmert and Netanyahu.     People said, well, Bibi isn't perfect and isn't a Kahanist but he's better than Olmert!     And yet, he has policy that is no different from Olmert.   In what was is he better?   Because he gives power to Likud party hacks instead of Kadima party hacks?   They have the same exact agenda re the arab enemy.   Same exact corrupt, bankrupt, suicidal, confused national vision.

So now along comes another clone, but this one wears a kipa and leads the Mafdal party.   He has he same 2-state vision and he will not support the settlers and he will not oppose the establishment.    And now I'm told, well, he's not perfect but he's better than Netanyahu.   How so?    And how many times for this pattern to repeat itself before people start realizing that these hacks are not going to change anything unless they have a Kahanist outlook and completely reject the paradigm of current Israeli leadership.

So is your answer to keep electing Nethanyahu or Livni?  If Benett disappoints go to the next candidate who shows promise.  I can't guarantee anyone.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 02, 2013, 02:02:39 AM
So is your answer to keep electing Nethanyahu or Livni?  If Benett disappoints go to the next candidate who shows promise.  I can't guarantee anyone.

That's the whole point.  Bennett doesn't "show promise."  Neither did Bibi.  It's illogical to expect something positive out of someone with an Oslo agenda.  Or simply self delusion.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 02, 2013, 02:16:54 AM
All of these chazirs need to be sent back to the filthy pen they came from.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on January 02, 2013, 10:43:46 AM
That's the whole point.  Bennett doesn't "show promise."  Neither did Bibi.  It's illogical to expect something positive out of someone with an Oslo agenda.  Or simply self delusion.

 I heard him say he is against Oslo.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: USAReturn2GodNow1776 on January 02, 2013, 10:58:02 AM
And of course there are some genuinely religious Jews whose way would be terrible for Israel if they got it. Not saying this Nafraudi guy is one of them, though.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 06, 2013, 03:08:07 PM
From Steven Plaut:
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A demonstration of the remarkable success of Naftali Bennett and
his party is apparent in the vicious attack ads and dirty tricks being
used by Netanyahu and the Likud against them.  The Likud has joined
forces with the radical Left in trying to demonize Bennett and his
team, because they all find Bennett's success so alarming.

   Nevertheless, the tactic of the Likud over the past week in trying
to paint Bennett as "anti-women" is the finest illustration of the
lack of integrity and decency in the Likud and the extent to which it
feels threatened by Bennett's growing juggernaut.

    Last week the Likud, probably under direct orders by Bibi, placed
attack ads in all the Israeli media accusing Bennett of having "woman
haters" on his party slate.  Likud statements accused Bennett of
hostility to women.  The accusations were entirely based on the fact
that one member of the Bennett (Jewish Home Party) slate, Rabbi Eli
Ben Dahan who is number four on the list of candidates,  had called
for the elimination of the Knesset Committee on the Status of Women.
What further proof is required?, scream the Likud hacks.

     Well, first of all, eliminating the Knesset Committee on the
status of women would not be such a bad idea.  Its main activities in
the past have been in pressing for dumbing down standards, promoting
the implementation of gender quotas, "affirmative action" and nature
double standards, gender preferences, and other silly ideas that harm
women and create the general suspicion that any woman who is
successful must have made it up the slippery pole because of such
discrimination.  Ask why many black families in the US refuse to send
their children to a black dentist and you will understand the point.

      But that is just MY reason for thinking the committee should be
shut down.  So what is Rabbi Ben Dahan's reason and what did he really
say?  Well, it turns out, and you would know this only if you read
Makor Rishon, that the actual quote by Rabbi Ben Dahan was to call for
the elimination of the Knesset Committee on Women because he wanted to
merge it together with the Knesset Committee on the Welfare of
Children, claiming that the merged committee would be far more
powerful and effective and influential!

   Yes, the guy who the Likud claims is the epitome of male chauvinism
in Bennett's slate simply called for making the efforts of the
Committee on Women MORE effective!!   The Likud showed its lack of
integrity and willingness to engage in sleaze and distortion in order
to make a few fleeting political points, and counted on no one ever
checking to see what Ben Dahan had REALLY said!  But that is what he
really said!

    The other interesting point being that Bennett has three times as
many women in the senior positions on his party slate than the Likud
has.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 06, 2013, 04:13:10 PM
I heard him say he is against Oslo.

No what he says is that the arabs have to "calm down" and show they are ready for peace before we can give in to any of their demands.  He's not against it in principle just the manner in which it is carried out and the timeframe according to arab reciprocity.  Doesn't that sound familiar to you?  It should because that is what netanyahu has said since the 1990's.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 06, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
No what he says is that the arabs have to "calm down" and show they are ready for peace before we can give in to any of their demands.  He's not against it in principle just the manner in which it is carried out and the timeframe according to arab reciprocity.  Doesn't that sound familiar to you?  It should because that is what netanyahu has said since the 1990's.
Nafraudi and Lewinsky both want three things:

1--loads and loads of gelt
2--the adoration of Nazi U.S. presidents
3--to hold political office for life
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on January 07, 2013, 01:10:15 AM
I'm voting for Bennett's party. There are many American olim in it including those who have shows on Arutz 7.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on January 07, 2013, 01:38:06 AM
I'm voting for Bennett's party. There are many American olim in it including those who have shows on Arutz 7.

You are thinking of Jeremy Gimpel, who has been doing shows on A7 for years...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjBKw0zHY7k
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 09, 2013, 05:40:21 AM
Jerusalem Post article:"Bennett doesn't play by the rules"
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=297956

(http://jewishmom.com/wp-content/uploads/naftali-bennet-with-wife.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 15, 2013, 07:21:51 PM
"White House very concerned about Naftali Bennett's strong showing"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164233

Just like the NWO sent CIA-trained Palestinain snipers, with Israeli collusion, to take out our BZK with 40 bullets just as he was starting to politically sprout in 2000, they could do the same to Bennett in Raanana, but more subtly, chas v'sholom!

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFQ6-iHjxIu38h8MCKnGrrlR7M3LJL6cP7VjR-nfGFiR-xQcZC3w)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 16, 2013, 10:57:55 PM
Jeremy Gimpel: a reversion to the original species of hands-on helpful Jew?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu8r51bEqyc
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 21, 2013, 08:02:54 PM
It is remarkable that everyone, JTFers, Kahanists, the Kachniks, the Kahanachainiks, Likud, Feglinists, Meretz, Labour, Pipi, Ovadia Kessef, Livnat, Obama, Steinerman, Caroline Glick, Hotobelly, Tibi, Degel, Aguda, even the Haredim at the wall, all are baying for Bennett's blood!
http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=300393

(http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/l_crop_medium/1700-4/photos/1358786690-naftali-bennett-prays-at-the-wailing-wall-in-jerusalem_1742064.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 21, 2013, 08:33:02 PM
It is remarkable that everyone, JTFers, Kahanists, the Kachniks, the Kahanachainiks, Likud, Feglinists, Meretz, Labour, Pipi, Ovadia Kessef, Livnat, Obama, Steinerman, Caroline Glick, Hotobelly, Tibi, Degel, Aguda, even the Haredim at the wall, all are baying for Bennett's blood!
http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=300393

(http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/l_crop_medium/1700-4/photos/1358786690-naftali-bennett-prays-at-the-wailing-wall-in-jerusalem_1742064.jpg)

None of those groups or individuals accept the Mafdal's destructive agenda, so what do you expect?     "Professor Hershkovitz" was never a threat like Bennett might be.    So that is why no one cared about him before.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 21, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
"White House very concerned about Naftali Bennett's strong showing"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164233

Just like the NWO sent CIA-trained Palestinain snipers, with Israeli collusion, to take out our BZK with 40 bullets just as he was starting to politically sprout in 2000, they could do the same to Bennett in Raanana, but more subtly, chas v'sholom!

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFQ6-iHjxIu38h8MCKnGrrlR7M3LJL6cP7VjR-nfGFiR-xQcZC3w)

Only a clown would believe something like this.  If they were actually planning something like that, they wouldn't be talking about him publicly at all.    But this is lunacy.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 21, 2013, 08:51:40 PM
It's either that, or maybe Bennett really is a "Man of Destiny", and that this universal opposition is akin to the initial opposition of the Jewish People to their Redeemer Moshe Rabbeinu.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on January 21, 2013, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right
Only a clown would believe something like this.  If they were actually planning something like that, they wouldn't be talking about him publicly at all.    But this is lunacy.


Well the Canadian "clown" Chamish is convinced that Bennett is as good as dead:



"NAFTALI BENNETT - Zicharon L'Brecha (R.I.P)
                                                                                   by Barry Chamish

    Netanyahu wins the Israeli election, a given. But according to the polls, second place is a draw between, supposedly Netanyahu's nemesis, the Labor Party, and his supposed ideological natural partner, Habayit Hayehudi or Jewish Home Party led by a newcomer from America, Naftali Bennett. As anyone who understands Netanyahu will suppose, as usual, he will make a coalition with Labor. And as anyone who understands how the system works will tell you, Naftali Bennett better hope he does. It's his best hope for survival.
    As Bennett rose from the wilderness a few months ago, a few of my readers had grave suspicions of him. Those who know my work will recognize their off-the-beaten-track concerns:   

What's your opinion of Bennett?
Is he a genuine right-winger with a veneer of honesty?
Will they take him out in New York next week like they took out Kahane?
Or is he yet another CFR-NWO-Shabbatean Raviv-lite operative sent to infiltrate the right?!

*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nOrYOLggOM
This appearance on CNN from the first days of the latest 'cycle of violence' made many Israelis proud of Bennett's appearance here 'against' the Arabs. But what they did not know was that it was not someone supporting the Palestinian side but a representative of the CFR, explicitly spelled out on the screen, and that is when I understood that we were not going to be allowed to win this latest 'cycle of violence'. Bennett has no idea who he is talking to when this sr fellow talks about 'not in Israel's interests' .

     But let's not jump beyond the borders of Israel to get to know Bennett. Here is how sympathetic Israeli journalists are covering him:

Jewish Home Chairman Naftali Bennett commented Wednesday morning on reports
that the White House is deeply concerned about growing support for his
party, which represents very nationalist interests, and is worried about the
potential sway he may have in dealing with issues such as construction in
Judea and Samaria and negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.

*
The U.S. is particularly concerned over the growing
strength of the proudly nationalist Habayit Hayehudi (The Jewish Home) in
the polls and over the fact that there is hardly talk about negotiations
with the Palestinian Authority as part of the election campaign.
The U.S. is concerned, according to Channel 10, that Bennett's strengthening
will cause Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in turn, to strengthen the
Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria.
 
*
     From a candidate in Bennett's party:

Polls show that if only those under the age of 35 would be able to vote, The Bayit Yehudi would be the largest party in the country and Naftali Bennett would be Prime Minister!
Something new really is beginning here - this is the first time I can remember that it is �cool� to be a proud Zionist.

     Even from outside Israel, Benett is getting some notice;

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/joseph-puder/the-naftali-bennett-phenomen

The rise of Naftali Bennett of the Jewish Home Party in the polls is,
however, a major news item...The London based The
Independent (January 2, 2013) pointed out that Bennett, who has never
held office before "has shaken up the campaign to such an extent that
Prime Minister Netanyahu has gone on the offensive against Bennett."

In a recent television interview, Bennett remarked that as a soldier
he would not obey orders to evacuate settlers from their homes.
Netanyahu pounced on this and Bennett qualified his initial
statement. But the extraordinary exposure he achieved only
strengthened his support. And, in an interview with the Associated
Press, Bennett stated, "My positions are very clear: I never hide the
fact that I categorically oppose a Palestinian state inside our
country..."

With a slate that includes many young newcomers, Bennett launched an
extraordinary campaign, which, according to a recent poll, propelled
the party to possibly gaining 15 seats, an incredible achievement.
The bulk of his supporters are under forty and many are nonobservant...
the prospect of 15 seats is nothing less than historical in scope for this truly
idealistic party dedicated to the love of the land of Israel, the
People of Israel, and the Torah of Israel.

      Politicians who are idealistic enough to love the land of Israel don't live long. When Bennett started mouthing off about being an IDF officer who would refuse to evict Jews from their homes, he was suddenly widely noticed. To some, that was treason talk. But to many others, that was what they thought and now they had a voice expressing their deepest patriotic feelings. And one of my readers informed me that either Bennett will change drastically once in power, or go on a hit list. Though a mixture of personalities, here is the hit list he compiled:

This list of assassinations/suspicious deaths involving Israel was written in 2004.
Are there any other names of note that you think that should be added to the list?
Jacob de Haan
Chaim Arlosoroff
Lord Moyne
Folke Bernadotte
Rudolf Kasztner
Ben Hecht
General David "Dudu" Elazar,
Michael Albin
Rabbi Meir Kahane
Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane
General Yekutiel "Kuti" Adam,
Gerald Bull
Major-General Shmuel "Gorodish" Gonen,
Major-General Nechemia Tamari
General Raful Eitan
Amiram Nir
Yedidiah Segal
David Frank
Noach Moses
Robert Maxwell
Ester Werderber
General Mordechai "Motti" Gur,
Jerusalem deputy-mayor Shmuel Meir
the 5 engineers responsible for the safety of IDF "Yasur" helicopters
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin
Yoav Kuriel
Professor Aryeh Rosen Zvi
Ambassador to France Eliyahu ben Elissar
MK Benny Begin's son Yonatan
MK Rehavam "Gandhi" Ze'evi
Irv Rubin
Wayne Owens

 We conclude with a warning to Bennett. Currently, it would appear, you have no idea how thin is the ice you are standing on. You may deny you have anything in common with "radicals" like Meir Kahane or Rehavam Ze'evi. But you do.

http://samsonblinded.com/blog/hunting-season.htm

...Like a bear who has tasted human blood, Israeli police would start hunting the right.
Israeli services killed Meir and Binyamin Kahane, and Gandhi. They cooperated
with Arab militants to do the job, and also with the mullahs in the Iran-Contras
affair, and with the Pakistani military. Bin Laden similarly accused Israel of
assassinating Azzam with the help of Arab agents. Facts tying Israelis to Sept.
11 could not be just dismissed. Kahane's assassin organized the WTC bombing in
1993. Guards, not Yigal Amir, assassinated Rabin; clear video was censored.
Rabin, his popularity dwindling, was purposefully killed in an extraordinary
attempt to accuse the right and reassert the power of the leftists, all the
while turning Rabin-the-scum into a martyr of peace. Baruch Goldstein, a lone
shooter with three magazines, could not have killed 29 people and wounded 150;
soldiers testified that they had to shoot at the crowd, and later recanted their
testimonies; a weapons cache was found in the mosque, but was never
investigated. They fabricated the case to accuse the right and ban Kach...

The standard question, �cui bono?� answers the question of who killed
Kahane. Arabs had no reason to kill him because Kahane was a scarecrow, scaring
the Israeli and Western public so that the right-wingers could be demonized.
Kahane was barred from the Knesset and posed no threat to Israeli Arabs. He did
pose a huge threat to the Israeli establishment...

 The murders of Meir Kahane, his son Binyamin, and JDL members are too much of a
coincidence. Add to these the framing of Baruch Goldstein, who supposedly killed
and wounded more Arabs in the Cave of the Patriarchs shooting than there were
bullets in his cartridge. Soldiers testified they had to shoot to stop a rioting
Arab mob�which was in line with Israeli intelligence, which expected pogroms
on that day in Hebron�but the soldiers were forced to retract their
testimonies. The Israeli government used the Goldstein hoax to ban Kahane�s
party...

The story doesn�t stop with the official Kahanists. An Israeli group of Oslo
promulgators had every reason to murder Rehavam Ze�evi, who firmly confronted Shimon
Peres. Israeli security had no problem asking PFLP to take credit for
Ze�evi�s murder... Shimon Peres brought Arafat back to Palestine as a puppet for a peace
show. Arafat sometimes protested that it was Israel who staged �terrorist attacks,� which
of course were counterproductive to the Palestinian cause, but he was dismissed
as a liar.

      To those who asked, yes, I think he's sincere, for now. But he has entered a political mafia Hell that is much bigger, stronger and more vicious than he or his followers want to understand. He changes or he dies.

end "


Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on January 21, 2013, 09:28:17 PM
Ok, because Chamish said so, it must be true.... Now I know a true conspiracy theorist... This Chamish guy is the WORST...

Maybe the only little bit of a 'conspiracy' I accept from his is that the Rabin assasination may have been a set up. But aside from that his 9/11 conspiracy BS has made him an enemy. I also do not accept his UFO theories either...

Now you are in my loony bin Yerusha... For a moment I thought you had some sense...
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 21, 2013, 09:57:39 PM
Bennett is much more dangerous than an overt leftist in Labor/Kadima/Mapam/Balad, etc.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 21, 2013, 11:56:18 PM
It's either that, or maybe Bennett really is a "Man of Destiny", and that this universal opposition is akin to the initial opposition of the Jewish People to their Redeemer Moshe Rabbeinu.
:::D :::D :::D

Are you going to be his court jester?

Sorry but parties that win 12 or 15 seats don't get crowns or court jesters but please, send in your resume.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 22, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
:::D :::D :::D

Are you going to be his court jester?

Sorry but parties that win 12 or 15 seats don't get crowns or court jesters but please, send in your resume.
Quite possibly the finest witticism I've ever seen uttered at JTF!
 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Every Jew AK47 on January 22, 2013, 12:37:50 AM
It was sad that my own Modern Orthodox rabbi said that Bennett would help save Israel.  We got in a long debate about many things, including Aliyah and me being fed up with Israel's political system.  He said, Israel has many parties now and many right-wingers, like Naftali Bennett who will save Israel.  I told him that many people on the Kahanist forums are against Bennett and now I see why.  His response to me, "Oh people on Kahanist forums are paranoid, why are they against Bennett?"  I should probably email him the link to this thread. 

Once again, Israeli politicians prove that power, prestige and wealth is more important than the Jewish people.  Jewish land is cheap and not as important as a traitor liek Bennett lounging on a nice high rise looking over the Mediterranean being attended to by some high-class Russian hookers.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: DunEideann on January 22, 2013, 03:08:49 AM
Maybe Bennett is not perfect but there's no better option. It's definately better than voting for Yair Lapid...
Seriously, is there any better option?
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Meerkat on January 22, 2013, 04:00:27 AM
It is likely that Bennett will betray everything he stands for with his 18 mandates, feel free to laugh in my face if that happens. But I do want to see what he does, and maybe it might push us in the right direction.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 22, 2013, 08:39:43 AM

Well the Canadian "clown" Chamish is convinced that Bennett is as good as dead:

    As Bennett rose from the wilderness a few months ago, a few of my readers had grave suspicions of him. Those who know my work will recognize their off-the-beaten-track concerns:   

What's your opinion of Bennett?
Is he a genuine right-winger with a veneer of honesty?
Will they take him out in New York next week like they took out Kahane?
Or is he yet another CFR-NWO-Shabbatean Raviv-lite operative sent to infiltrate the right?!

*


You sent Chamish all 4 of those questions, didn't you...
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on January 22, 2013, 08:45:01 AM
Bennett is much more dangerous than an overt leftist in Labor/Kadima/Mapam/Balad, etc.


You have him mixed up with Netanyahu. The Israeli National Religoius parties are not like FOX who always will side with a Republican President such as Bush. They might be in goverments but don't support or vote for Expulsions the way Likudnikim like Sharon ended up doing. They try to influence from within and end up being thrown out of the government or resign on their own if they oppose the treasonous Likud policies.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 22, 2013, 10:18:03 AM


You have him mixed up with Netanyahu. The Israeli National Religoius parties are not like FOX who always will side with a Republican President such as Bush. They might be in goverments but don't support or vote for Expulsions the way Likudnikim like Sharon ended up doing. They try to influence from within and end up being thrown out of the government or resign on their own if they oppose the treasonous Likud policies.

You are misinformed.  Jewish home party under profedssor daniel hershkovitz was one of the biggest ghetto minded traitor parties out there.  Small in terms of seats, but big in terms of treason.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on January 22, 2013, 02:30:03 PM
Well he's not in charge anymore. Is he on the list? Enough NU members are in a higher place on the new list. Hershkowitz sounds like a Jew liberal name, it reminds me of Alan Dershowitz. If I would have been in Israel in the last election, I would have voted for The National Union under Ketzaleh of Arutz 7. An American Jew was number 5 but didn't make it (Uri Bank). And Ben-Ari was on the list whom we though was Kahanist at the time. Hershkowitz only brought trouble to The Jewish Home last time. For once the National Religious Camp is united. Prior to 1999, we didn't have as many splinters in our camp. NU was based on Tekuma from NRP, Moledet of Rechavam Ze'evi, Z"L, HY"D, and Herut of Kleiner (Splinter of Likud). Now the first 2 are untied with the original NRP as The Jewish Home and Herut doesn't exist. And Baruch Hashem, no more Yisraeli Beitenu that pretends to be Right Wing taking away nationalist votes. IY"H, Lieberman will be foung guilt of corruption so we will be rid of him. Let's hope Kadimah diaspears too.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 22, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
Well he's not in charge anymore. Is he on the list? Enough NU members are in a higher place on the new list. Hershkowitz sounds like a Jew liberal name, it reminds me of Alan Dershowitz. If I would have been in Israel in the last election, I would have voted for The National Union under Ketzaleh of Arutz 7. An American Jew was number 5 but didn't make it (Uri Bank). And Ben-Ari was on the list whom we though was Kahanist at the time. Hershkowitz only brought trouble to The Jewish Home last time. For once the National Religious Camp is united. Prior to 1999, we didn't have as many splinters in our camp. NU was based on Tekuma from NRP, Moledet of Rechavam Ze'evi, Z"L, HY"D, and Herut of Kleiner (Splinter of Likud). Now the first 2 are untied with the original NRP as The Jewish Home and Herut doesn't exist. And Baruch Hashem, no more Yisraeli Beitenu that pretends to be Right Wing taking away nationalist votes. IY"H, Lieberman will be foung guilt of corruption so we will be rid of him. Let's hope Kadimah diaspears too.

My point was not about hershkovitz but about the party itself and what it stands for.  It is the party of the yesha council and enabling the regime.

Katzelah stepped down to make the party more popular.  That means less role for him, bigger role for others in the party machinery.  Ben ari was a FORMER KAHANIST not a kahanist as of that election.

This is just mafdal/NRP version 27.25, same old party same old lack of vision or leadership on national stage, just a new chairman and some new hacks within.  It simply is not and never has been a rightwing alternative to the ruling party (whether labor likud or kadima)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on February 04, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
Against an NWO player like Peres, I fear for Bennett.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on February 07, 2013, 06:04:11 PM
Pipi has met all the party leaders, even Achmed Tibi, but still not Bennett!
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=302557 (http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=302557)

Kerry and Obama are both flying in with one goal: to order their main NWO Israeli operative, Pipi, not to accept Bennett because he would block the NWO plan for a PLO state and a divided Jerusalem.

(http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2013/02/06/4446148/444614701000100396220.jpg)

Once Bennett (and Feiglin) have access to the Knesset podium microphone and is a minister Bennett has said that they will repeatedly quote one verse to the world:

"On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, 'To your descendants I give this land, from the River of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates'" (Breishis 15)
 ביום ההוא כרת יהוה את אברם ברית לאמר לזרעך נתתי את הארץ הזאת מנהר מצרים עד הנהר הגדל נהר פרת

This verse is the key to everything and has never been quoted to the world by any Jewish personality: not Rav Kahane, not the Lubavitcher Rebbe, not Ben Gurion, not Rav Shach, not Menachem Begin, not even Chaim......no one, and this verse is an anathema to the NWO, the Soton, the Klippos, most goyim (except Noahides and Xtian Zionists), the Erev Rav, and even the Erev Katan Haredim, and they will not have it: I fear for Bennett's life.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on February 07, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
Yerusha you would be great in writing Science fiction Novels.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: muman613 on February 07, 2013, 07:07:50 PM
The Lubavitch Rebbe certainly did openly discuss the fact that the land is the inheritance of the Children of Israel because of the promise made to our father Abraham. Here is a reproduction of a correspondence from the Rebbe to a member of Knesset in 1969:

http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/when-silence-is-a-sin/17.htm



Letter To (Then) Member Of Knesset Of The Techiya Party,
Mrs. Geulah Cohen,
19 Sivan, 5729 (1969):

Blessings and Greetings!

I received your letter some time ago, but due to circumstances beyond my control, my answer was delayed until now.

... I wonder a bit about your surprise that in certain circles, myself among them, the title “State of Israel” was never accepted. The reason is quite easy to understand: The land of Canaan was given as an inheritance to the Nation of Israel beginning with the covenant between G-d and Abraham. The name “Land of Israel” was then established, in place of the name “Land of Canaan.” So has it been fixed for thousands of years. This is firmly grounded in the Torah, and is rooted in the vocabulary of the entire nation, from young to old. Such matters are not subject to the vote of the majority, the outcome of which is liable to change from time to time (this change being, naturally, capricious). After all the various incidents and changes which have occurred recently — for better, or, painfully, for the opposite — it is also impossible to be confident about the present change. Actually, such conjecture whether or not to accept the new title is quite unnecessary since in my opinion, as I mentioned, the matter is not given to determination by referendum. Just as the name of the “Nation of Israel” is not subject to vote in order to determine whether the Jewish People shall be referred to as they are in the Torah — The “Nation of Israel,” or the “Nation of Canaan,” etc. — so it is regarding the “Land of Israel.”

Assume one were to raise an additional point: suppose a new title for the land were necessary. Such an addition weakens the claim and ownership of the Nation of Israel over the Land of Israel, including even the confined area which was liberated in 1948, because:


i.   a new name gives the entire entity the appearance of being something novel, which was only born in 1948. Thus, inevitably, Jewish claim and ownership over the land also began only then. There is at least a shade of connotation of novelty — the diametric opposite of the Torah’s stance as represented by Rashi in the opening of his explanation of the Torah.

Here I stress that the custom of our nation from time immemorial has been that a five-year-old begins studying the Five Books of Moses. This means that Rashi’s words are directed to the Children of Israel beginning at age five:

“If the nations of the world should say to the Jews ‘You are thieves, for you have conquered the land of the seven nations,’ the Children of Israel should answer them: ‘The whole world belongs to the Holy One; at will He gave it to them, and at will He took it from them and gave it to us.’”

You are most certainly aware that many, many nations have made this claim, even in our times. I have not found a single answer to this claim besides the most ancient traditional one found in the words of our sages.

ii.   Some say that this term, “State of Israel” is another manifestation of the general approach and plan to become “like the nations of the world.”[104] This theory has already claimed many lives, both physical and spiritual — and to our anguish continues to wreak destruction among the sons and daughters of Israel.

I am especially surprised that you should be the one to raise such an argument. Until now, I had been positive that you were counted among those who say that the Land of Israel belongs to the Nation of Israel, and that its borders are specifically delineated in the Torah. In Parshas Masei it is written: “All these shall be your boundaries on all sides.”[105] Yet “because of our sins we were exiled from our land and driven far from our soil” — but even during the exile it is still our land and our soil. This title, “State of Israel,” allows room to label parts of the Land of Israel as no more than “territories” which were “conquered” by the Israeli Defense Forces in the Six Day War. Furthermore, the entire concept of conquest implies seizing the land by force from its owners through one’s own superior military prowess.

I do not wish to speak at length about this painful subject, mainly because the general cause for it is the approach of wanting to be like all the nations. Certainly my comments are not necessary, for you surely read about it in the newspapers and books which are available in the Land of Canaan (— according to the writers of those articles and books; it is just that some of them say this openly, and others only hint that this is their intention).

... May it be G-d’s Will that you send along positive news concerning all the above, as we discussed during your visit here.

“With Respect and Blessing,
/signed: Menachem Schneerson/
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 07, 2013, 11:10:20 PM
Pipi has met all the party leaders, even Achmed Tibi, but still not Bennett!
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=302557 (http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=302557)

Kerry and Obama are both flying in with one goal: to order their main NWO Israeli operative, Pipi, not to accept Bennett because he would block the NWO plan for a PLO state and a divided Jerusalem.

(http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2013/02/06/4446148/444614701000100396220.jpg)

Once Bennett (and Feiglin) have access to the Knesset podium microphone and is a minister Bennett has said that they will repeatedly quote one verse to the world:

"On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, 'To your descendants I give this land, from the River of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates'" (Breishis 15)
 ביום ההוא כרת יהוה את אברם ברית לאמר לזרעך נתתי את הארץ הזאת מנהר מצרים עד הנהר הגדל נהר פרת

This verse is the key to everything and has never been quoted to the world by any Jewish personality: not Rav Kahane, not the Lubavitcher Rebbe, not Ben Gurion, not Rav Shach, not Menachem Begin, not even Chaim......no one, and this verse is an anathema to the NWO, the Soton, the Klippos, most goyim (except Noahides and Xtian Zionists), the Erev Rav, and even the Erev Katan Haredim, and they will not have it: I fear for Bennett's life.

Lol your delusions are becoming more intense.   Probably a side effect of staying up all night.  You should try to get some sleep.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on February 18, 2013, 04:29:11 AM
I suspect that at 65 Pipi cannot take the physical strain of contending with the new breed of mega-ambitious Israeli politicians Bennett and Lapid and will soon either retire from politics or bring down the entire House of Cards http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165361

(http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/media/news/images/2012/photo_1343898611126-1-0.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Debbie Shafer on February 18, 2013, 05:26:49 PM
I agree with Bennett, how do you deal with people who send rockets into your cities for 8 years...you have to act, the time for talk is over....the arabs hope that they can make this case, but they loose on the issue, because they are the aggressors. 
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on February 24, 2013, 01:00:51 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Bennett's tactic works and if Lapid sticks with him
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165572
and even more important if Lapid's MKs who are chomping at the bit to get in to their ministries, stick with Lapid!

They are said to be fast friends with a mutual loathing of Netanyahu

(http://i2.wp.com/www.jewishpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/bennett-lapid.jpg?fit=485%2C0)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on March 08, 2013, 09:39:31 AM
Bennett as a Major in the Sayaret Matkal in full kit

(http://img.mako.co.il/2012/05/24/htyjhtyj_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Debbie Shafer on March 08, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
Hey Ed Husain and CNN Dickheads...Israel is not going to give up more land for peace..it never brings peace, and it never will and puts their cities at more risk!   Bennett seems to be a strong leader, but haven't seen enough of his personality to really know.  I keep praying for righteous leaders in America and Israel that God will empower and enable!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on March 16, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
NWO operatives Pipi & Peres look jus' too relaxed: they know something!
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=306637

(http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=215155)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on March 18, 2013, 11:33:19 AM
(http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.510267.1363618617!/image/1528099007.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_468/1528099007.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on March 18, 2013, 11:37:59 PM
Funny the way Bibi played favorites in divvying out the portfolios to Likud members.  Most of these bums were very low on the primary results list.   He kept power out of the hands of people like Danon, Feiglin, etc and kept it concentrated with his stooges.  While that may be frustrating, on the other hand, that doesn't seem like a sustainable political strategy and will eventually collapse.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 19, 2013, 12:08:53 AM
What happened to Kadima? Livni's party is even more Left than the 2 MKs of Kadimah.

Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on March 19, 2013, 09:40:47 PM
What happened to Kadima? Livni's party is even more Left than the 2 MK of Kadimah.

Kadima was just a temporary fraud used for the gaza expulsion and milked til it ran out of steam.  It will eventually disband IMO.
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on September 01, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Despite Bennett's wealth and charisma, it may not be enough to stop his Bayit Yehudi party from splitting up http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184643#.VASWNpscTn4
as is happening also with Shas
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/256582/main-memorial-event-for-maran-highlights-shas-split.html

(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/11/F121018YA20.jpg)
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Yerusha on September 11, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
(http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2012/12/30/4365550/YE1231302_Wa.jpg)


The luverly Ayalet Shaked gushingly opines that Bennet is "prime ministerial material"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/185024#.VBJgDpscTn4


Yet Chaim & most on this forum say that Bennett is yet another 'kippa serugad wannabe traitor'.

Would Israel be betta or worse or jus' the same under a Rosh Memshalah Bennett?!
Title: Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
Post by: Debbie Shafer on September 12, 2014, 09:04:06 AM
Benett makes strong points....No state should ever have to put up with terrorist rockets trying to destroy Israel and her children. 

Shut up Ignoramus and Terrorist Sympathizer Ed Husain.....Who holds who hostage....Who built the dam cement tunnels into Gaza to commit genocide atrocities on the Jewish people?   You loose every argument!