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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mein Koran on March 13, 2013, 06:30:47 PM
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And he even celebrated Hannakah and danced with the Jews of Argentina
http://www.israelunseen.com/new-pope-jorge-bergoglio-celebrated-hannukah-as-cardinal-of-buenos-aires/
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I must say it doesnt realy bother me if the pope is pro-Israel or not. I don't give a thing about the pope.
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Is he jewish?
Some people in south america are jewish.
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He's Italian. So they got the first South American Pope but the Italians got their Pope back too.
It's funny though how you have "Hispanics" say how he is one of them. He's not from the natives (Mestizos or Amerindians) and he's not even Spanish. Argentina is just like the Unied States in that it has many European immigrants, such as Jews and Italians in addition to more ethnic white Spaniards than other parts of Latin America.
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It's funny though how you have "Hispanics" say how he is one of them. He's not from the natives (Mestizos or Amerindians) and he's not even Spanish. Argentina is just like the Unied States in that it has many European immigrants, such as Jews and Italians in addition to more ethnic white Spaniards than other parts of Latin America.
I also find this pretty funny. Argentina is in fact more white than the USA!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
Instead of having illegal Mexicans, they have illegal Bolivians running across their border.
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I also find this pretty funny. Argentina is in fact more white than the USA!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
Instead of having illegal Mexicans, they have illegal Bolivians running across their border.
It's true that large amounts of South America are very white, when I traveled down there, I saw lots of Argentinians, and brazilians who were white.
Argentinians are made up of large italian, Spanish, German and Jewish immigrants.
Uruguay is almost completely white
Chile is predominant white with many mestizos and unfortunately 500,000 fakeistinians.
The more north you go to around Bolivia there are more mestizos although mestizos exist in pretty much all of South America to a degree and some castizos. Even in the US in the southeast and parts of the south, we have a lot of whites who mixed with native Americans and it shows in the features. Most people would assume they are Mexican by appearance.
Coastal nations are more mixed, large amounts of whites, blacks, mestizos, spaniards, etc. for the most part there is a huge white population in South America.
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I've actually noticed that when seeing any American who says they are part American Indian, it doesn't show and they look completely white.
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Is he jewish?
He's Catholic silly
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It's those "pure" whites who have tormented Latin America ever since the conquistadors. Most of the dictators in Latin America are ethic whites and practically all of them are culturally white even if they have some Amerindian blood.
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He's Italian. So they got the first South American Pope but the Italians got their Pope back too.
It's funny though how you have "Hispanics" say how he is one of them. He's not from the natives (Mestizos or Amerindians) and he's not even Spanish. Argentina is just like the Unied States in that it has many European immigrants, such as Jews and Italians in addition to more ethnic white Spaniards than other parts of Latin America.
See. It worked out for everyone. :whew:
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That guy who is supposed to be African he's just fooling himself.The Pope has a nice grandfatherly face.It says Christians and Jews no qurananimals :laugh: i didn't expect there would be. QURANANIMAL MENEM was extremely corrupt
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He's Catholic silly
....his ancestors
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He remained mute when Argentina passed gay rights laws.
On a personal note, i dont think a Pope is required to lead the clergy or the people, even as per bible. Its just a man made custom.
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He remained mute when Argentina passed gay rights laws.
On a personal note, i dont think a Pope is required to lead the clergy or the people, even as per bible. Its just a man made custom.
Hehe Hindu Zionist I see u arguing with quranimals on like every YouTube video on the net.
Anyway I beg to differ with u that he remained mute. In fact he was so vocal that the president of Argentina called him a bigot
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Pope Frances Bergoglio is also a Jesuit priest. Some of the Jesuits helped rescue Jews during the Holocaust. He seems to be a humble man who is for all human rights.
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Real mixed feelings about Argentina here. On the one hand, it is a predominantly white, largely First World bastion in a third-world sea, very similar to what South Africa once was.
On the other hand, Argentina has a long and extremely nasty history of Jew-hatred on the left, right, and everywhere in between. :o >:(
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That guy who is supposed to be African he's just fooling himself.The Pope has a nice grandfatherly face.It says Christians and Jews no qurananimals :laugh: i didn't expect there would be. QURANANIMAL MENEM was extremely corrupt
Menem was a savage Nazi beast like most Argentine leaders.
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I like some things that media says about him, for example, he aids poor and lives a humble life.
Believe it or not but Italians are only people protecting our holy monasteries in Kosovo right now. Anyhow, we are going to see if this pope is murderer of Serb children like Paul was and many before him.
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It's those "pure" whites who have tormented Latin America ever since the conquistadors. Most of the dictators in Latin America are ethic whites and practically all of them are culturally white even if they have some Amerindian blood.
Dont worry, Zel.. the 'pure' whites here, especially are dying, left and right at the hands of illegal meztizos
Nobody cares about white people or Jews in America.
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Dont worry, Zel.. the 'pure' whites here, especially are dying, left and right at the hands of illegal meztizos
Nobody cares about white people or Jews in America.
I think you are missing the point. Zelhar is not anti-white. He is saying that just because someone is white, it does not mean that they are righteous or pro-Israel.
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I think you are missing the point. Zelhar is not anti-white. He is saying that just because someone is white, it does not mean that they are righteous or pro-Israel.
Yes that's right, thanks.
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The new pope has a large heart and better vision than the earlier popes.
But it will be sad to know if he is admirer of the Jesuits of few centuries back who behaved much like the taliban.
The infamous Portuguese inquisition of Indian state of Goa, saw inhumane atrocities perpetuated in the name of Catholic Church.
The inquisitor's first act was to forbid any open practice of the Hindu faith on pain of death. Sephardic Jews living in Goa, many of whom had fled the Iberian Peninsula to escape the excesses of the Spanish Inquisition to begin with, were also persecuted.[21] Seventy-one autos da fe were recorded. In the first few years alone, over 4000 people were arrested.[21] In the first hundred years, the Inquisition burnt at stake 57 alive and 64 in effigy, 105 of them being men and 16 women. Others sentenced to various punishments totalled 4,046, out of whom 3,034 were men and 1,012 were women.[22] According to the Chronista de Tissuary (Chronicles of Tiswadi), the last auto da fe was held in Goa on 7 February 1773.[22]
According to Indo-Portuguese historian Teotonio R. de Souza, grave abuse was practised in Goa in the form of 'mass baptism' and what went before it. The practice was begun by the Jesuits and was later initiated by the Franciscans also. The Jesuits staged an annual mass baptism on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (25 January), and in order to secure as many neophytes as possible, a few days before the ceremony the Jesuits would go through the streets of the Hindu quarter in pairs, accompanied by their Negro slaves, whom they would urge to seize the Hindus. When the blacks caught up a fugitive, they would smear his lips with a piece of beef, making him an 'untouchable' among his people. Conversion to Christianity was then his only option.
According to the historian, "the screams of agony of the victims (men, women, and children) could be heard in the streets, in the stillness of the night, as they were brutally interrogated, flogged, and slowly dismembered in front of their relatives.""Eyelids were sliced off and extremities were amputated carefully, a person could remain conscious even though the only thing that remained was his torso and head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konkani_people
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Portuguese inquisitors were ultimately driven out of Goa, but in relatively much peaceful way unfortunately.
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Not to diminish anything here, but if a hippopotamus became the pope, I wouldn't really notice nor care..Just sayin...
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Not to diminish anything here, but if a hippopotamus became the pope, I wouldn't really notice nor care..Just sayin...
When they were choosing the last pope (Benedict) around 2004 I got a new cat... That cat is named 'Popey' to this day...
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Portuguese inquisitors were ultimately driven out of Goa, but in relatively much peaceful way unfortunately.
Orthodox Christians of India were persecuted by Portuguese occupiers and stories are horrific.
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The Portuguese then tried to bring the Indian Orthodox Church under the roman papacy and to Latinize its rituals.
The Indian Christians vehemently opposed this,the Portuguese retaliated by burning our churches,destroying ancient manuscripts and documents,and imprisoning our leaders and priests.
They treated our priests and bishops with utmost disrespect and they are said to have insulted them by pulling at their beards and making fun of them..
They killed our priests and bishops.
"The Portuguese not only persecuted and killed all the bishops as they came from Antioch but their metran .... ..... And those Syrians who opposed his designs were persecuted and put to death." ("The Syrian Christians of Malabar" p.23
---texts of H. H. Meyers, Benjamin George Wilkinson, Ph. D
"The first Syrian prelate who was brought into antagonism with Rome, expiated his want of courage in the dungeons of the Inquisition. The second shared the same fate. A third whose sufferings are more worthy of consideration, died after much trial and tribulation in his diocese, denying the Pope's supremacy till the last." ("Christianity in India" p.24 by Kayes)
In 1653,a syriac bishop who was coming to India at the invitation of the Indian Orthodox Church was captured by the Portuguese and was murdered in cold blood under orders from Archbishop Menezes of Goa.
(Goa was the base of the portuguese colonialists in india)
This was too much,and a boiling point of anger against Rome had reached.
The enraged St.Thomas christians assembled by the thousands at a place called Mattancherry and gathered round a cross there.
They took an oath that day--"We or our descendants to come in the ages,will have nothing to do with the Church of Rome or its Pope"
This Oath is now famously known as the "Coonan Cross Oath".
They resolved to preserve the faith and autonomy of their Church and to elect its head. Accordingly, Archdeacon Thomas was raised to the title of Mar Thoma, the first in the long line up to Mar Thoma IX till 1816.
At the request of the Thomas Christians, the bishop, Mar Gregorios of Jerusalem came to India in 1664, confirmed the episcopal consecration of Mar Thoma I as the head of the Orthodox Church in India. The Antiochan Patriarch had come forward to help the Indian church in its moment of need.
This was a new age for the Indian Orthodox Church,it now had renewed contacts with other christian churches.
And by the blessings of St.Thomas,the Portuguese were soon ousted from India by the Dutch..the Dutch were a far more civilised and cultured people and even tried to help the Indian church in many ways,.though they were a protestant people.
Today,as a reminder of the Portuguese persecutions,there are two small eastern catholic rites(syro-malabar & syro-malankara) in india who left from our Mother Church.There are also some latin catholics on the coastal regions.
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When they were choosing the last pope (Benedict) around 2004 I got a new cat... That cat is named 'Popey' to this day...
:::D
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This is what some people "said" about new Pope, I don't know what is the Religion of the Authors who made these calculations:
"New Pope Elected on 03/13/13
13 x 13 x 3 = 507
13 x 13 + 3= 172
507 + 172=679
679 - 13 = 666
Pope was elected at 07:06pm = 13
Pope is 76 years old. 7+6 = 13 "
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Orthodox Christians of India were persecuted by Portuguese occupiers and stories are horrific.
serbian army, what is the signification of your posts here on a topic related to the new Pope? That there will be hostility towards Orthodox Christians?
P.S. you can not be a bigger Patriot than Serbs who actually do live in Serbia. My friends who were on this forum have told me to pass that message to you.
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Homosexuals from Argentina not Thrilled with the new Pope who is anti gay-marriage:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/argentine-gays-thrilled-pope-18739022
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http://news.msn.com/world/pope-francis-reaches-out-to-the-jewish-people
"Within hours of his election, Pope Francis sent a letter to Rome's chief rabbi...to continue to strengthen the increasingly close ties between Catholics and Jews"..............
Words are one thing, let's see what will the actions look like.
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I hope they get a new Popemobile. The last one was a clunker.
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I've been having a good laugh at all the Latin Americans and Hispanics who claim the new pope is one of them, a hispanic pope.
He's all Italian, from Argentina. If he were the son of Japanese immigrants, would hispanics claim him as one of their own too? Silliness!
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A large portion of Argentina descend from Italians, but the reason he is considered hispanic is because in the US and Latin America, hispanic is not considered a race but a ethnic identity based on culture, language, and identity regardless of race. He would be a white hispanic in Latin America despite descending from Italians.
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Not to diminish anything here, but if a hippopotamus became the pope, I wouldn't really notice nor care..Just sayin...
But it sort of does. Some of our members are Catholic and who their religious leader is does matter. From a purely selfish perpective, I am happy to know that we do not have a Jew hater for a Pope. I'm not singing a song about it, but I'm glad that he's on the side of Israel.
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The Pope can influence a lot of people, think about it people....
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But it sort of does. Some of our members are Catholic and who their religious leader is does matter. From a purely selfish perpective, I am happy to know that we do not have a Jew hater for a Pope. I'm not singing a song about it, but I'm glad that he's on the side of Israel.
Well, I'm more concerned about his stance on Islam... that would be a better litmus test about his tendencies.
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Well, I'm more concerned about his stance on Islam... that would be a better litmus test about his tendencies.
You can be against Islam and still be a Jew hater.
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This is what some people "said" about new Pope, I don't know what is the Religion of the Authors who made these calculations:
"New Pope Elected on 03/13/13
13 x 13 x 3 = 507
13 x 13 + 3= 172
507 + 172=679
679 - 13 = 666
Pope was elected at 07:06pm = 13
Pope is 76 years old. 7+6 = 13 "
Looks good to me!
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You can be against Islam and still be a Jew hater.
Yes... but as a leader... if he says the same thing about Islam as he does about Judaism... then it tells us that he is either an idiot or complete phony.... ive seen so many politicians have this stance... it wouldnt shock me if the pope does as well.
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Why kind of a silly algorithm is this? Also, why are we posting things that can be needlessly taken the wrong way by some of our members for absolutely no purpose or gain whatsoever?? People should try to remember what we all learned in Kindergarden: think before you speak (or write). We're supposed to be working together. Being needlessly obnoxious by posting things that could offend others for no reason at all is poor form. Sorry Brian, not addressing this to you
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Yes... but as a leader... if he says the same thing about Islam as he does about Judaism... then it tells us that he is either an idiot or complete phony.... ive seen so many politicians have this stance... it wouldnt shock me if the pope does as well.
Well, you are right then, especially given the mass murder of Christians by Muslim extremists. I mean how many tens of thousands of Christians need to die before people say enough of Islamic violence
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Why yes, hispanic is not a race but an ethnicity. Yet many hispanics call themselves "la raza".
A native American from Iowa, is a Native American.
A descendant of the Indians from Oaxaca, Mexico, however, would be considered Hispanic. Just like a mestizo descendant would be labeled as "hispanic" or as a white person from Mexico would be labled as hispanic.
Just like the child of Hungarian immigrant to Uruguay, or a black-mestizo child of the Dominican Republic.
I guess white hispanic is the closest term for him then.
To many, this is a white man from a Hispanic country. To others, he is hispanic. Go figure then. To me he's as hispanic as Fujimori.
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A large portion of Argentina descend from Italians, but the reason he is considered hispanic is because in the US and Latin America, hispanic is not considered a race but a ethnic identity based on culture, language, and identity regardless of race. He would be a white hispanic in Latin America despite descending from Italians.
Hispanic in the US is an invention of the Census Bureau. People from Latin America don't "know" that they're "Hispanic" until they come here. And when Americans think of the term, they usually think non-white. Even most JTFers use Hispanic to mean non-white. So white Latin Americans should not call themselves Hispanic. I think we should just say Latin American as a geography location just like people from the US and Canada together are called North American. Mexico is technically North American too. I know in Latin America, they call Americans (US) North Americans rather than American because they see the whole continent (North and South) as America. But I don't think they use it to refer to Canada.
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Mexico is technically North American too.
I've heard some fools say it is in "central America". During one of the Olympics, the NBC announcer said "Mexico is technically in central America", wow really? This is from a news reporter?
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I'm not a moderator, but I think this entire discussion of race would not be something that JTF would be interested in pursuing. JTF is not about race, it's about being a moral decent person. Also, it doesn't have anything, anything to do with the subject of this thread.
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I've heard some fools say it is in "central America". During one of the Olympics, the NBC announcer said "Mexico is technically in central America", wow really? This is from a news reporter?
Central America is actually North America too. There's the 3 big countries and then the others between Mexico and the Panama Canal are the Central America region of North America. I think the Caribbean islands are also listed as North America when you have all the countries of the World listed as part of a continent.
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No one has stated that any race or ethnicity is inferior to any other or that any race or ethnicity is better than any other. In any events, I am sure the many hispanic supporters of JTF are just fuming at the moment. I would be more concerned with the actual topics there have been about races in the past, which sometimes get a little out there by other members... but let's just make my quick point that I made, the topic that brings down morale then- and the root of problems that makes JTF look bad (even though no one is making any racist points).
In any events, I am not interested in making people angry so I'll stop. It just seems that sometimes the forum as a whole is unpredictably touchy on some things.
So better to leave the touchy things; I will leave the topic alone then.
BTW: Just drop it Binyamin, we are making everyone look bad.
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If there was a such thing as Hispanic, it would include the below groups only, each a separate race:
Descendants of Spanish or Portuguese- White
Descendants of Native Amerindians- American Indian
Descendants of black African slaves- Black
Colonial Latin America also had an elaborate caste system based on mixtures of the 3 races.
Mestizo is a mix of Spanish/Portuguese and the natives.
Mulato is a mix of Spanish/Portuguese and black slaves.
I forget what the name of the mix of blacks and natives is.
Then there is Castizo for the mix of Spanish/Portuguese and Mestizo, basically meaning 3/4 white and 1/4 Native. I think it goes even further.
So if you believe in the existance of Hispanics, the only whites included would be Spanish and Portuguese, and not Italian, Jewish, or other immigrants to Latin America just like Jews in Arab countries are not consisdered Arabs.
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Why did this topic about the pope being friendly to Jews turn into a topic about race,the number 13 and other stuff that really has nothing to do with the topic
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Let's see where he stands on the Serbs.
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Hispanic in the US is an invention of the Census Bureau. People from Latin America don't "know" that they're "Hispanic" until they come here. And when Americans think of the term, they usually think non-white. Even most JTFers use Hispanic to mean non-white. So white Latin Americans should not call themselves Hispanic. I think we should just say Latin American as a geography location just like people from the US and Canada together are called North American. Mexico is technically North American too. I know in Latin America, they call Americans (US) North Americans rather than American because they see the whole continent (North and South) as America. But I don't think they use it to refer to Canada.
Definitely agree with you there that hispanic is primarily invented for census purposes, even on biometrics forms they appear to no longer have hispanic listed, it says Caucasian, African, Asian, Native American or Alaskan native, or unknown.
I am wondering if that is going to be changed on census forms, but then you get a lot of Hispanics that mark white which ends up making the census report incorrect data.
Anyways about the Native American with white, yeah a lot of whites over exaggerate how much mixture they have if any, but there are seriously some southern states in the US especially in Louisiana where there is very noticeable French and native admixture which you can definitely tell by the facial features, I have seen a lot in New Orleans who resemble Hispanics but are not, then you have your average blonde hair blue eyed guy who wants to be a hippy and claim they have indigenous ancestry which is kind of weird.
Most of the South Americans refer to non citizens as gringos which is not always used as a negative word like it is in say Mexico, generally refers to a foreigner from Europe or the Americas as they don't distinguish, Asians are referred to as chino, blacks are called negro which is Spanish for black and not used in racist context, sometimes white can be called blanco, and I have heard the word Indio used to negatively refer to someone from Bolivia or Peru to insist on full indigenous ancestry.
Anyways, Central America is technically part of North America like you guys pointed out but is distint since they don't share any commonalities with the anglosphere in terms of culture, food, language, etc and for good reason.
I think a higher portion of people in South America Especially Central America either have Amerindian ancestry as a majority, South America even in those who appear white have minor indigenous blood but it doesn't show up in features always as its highly diluted since there is still a large caste system un officially practiced especially in the southern cone area of South America. There were large number of immigrants from all over as of recent migrations from the mid 1900s for various reasons which probably stick to their own communities.
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The Pope can influence a lot of people, think about it people....
This is so very, very true. And that is why it should matter to us what his attitude is towards Jews. There is nothing wrong with stemming Anti-Semitism versus enhancing it. Like many Christians who come to this site as friends, this Pope seems to also be friendly towards Jews, and that's a good thing.
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You guys really think a Jesuit is going to be pro-Jewish long term? Yeah good luck with that.
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What race would a hippo be from Latin America?
Really guys??????????
As far current and future popes, it should be in their best interest to teach their catholic following that blessing Israel means to be blessed and cursing them is to be cursed. I know nothing about this pope. His future actions will speak more than words OR the color of his skin.
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Fortunately foe us, hippos are animals from Africa so we won't have to worry about discussing what race they are. :-)
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Fortunately foe us, hippos are animals from Africa so we won't have to worry about discussing what race they are. :-)
I wonder what race dey be, UMM HMM!
Unless of course they are from North Africa which they most likely are not considering animals associated with Africa are from the jungles.
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I wonder what race dey be, UMM HMM!
Really, now you made me sound like a racist! >_< I did not mean to say that they would talk that way being from Africa nor was I being sarcastic. Hippos are not people, they are animals like a lion or an eagle. So no point in bringing any "race" into a talk about species of animals, and I was not ok with them being brought into the post because I felt it condescending. But instead of being upset, I was trying to amicably divert the direction in a positive humorous way.
But now I see that I just made it worse by causing you to joke that hippos would talk a certain way because of the continent they originate from and that is just NOT what I was alluding to! And not what I would say.
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FYI hippos may also be found in South America. So what race might they be?
I think you missed my point of that post.
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Ok, I don't know which ones are found in South America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus#Distribution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus#Distribution)
Personally, I think it was condescending. Others may not feel it was. Everyone had a different opinion. It's one say to say something is silly, another to try to make people look like fools. Hippos and race.
But it doesn't matter, I am looking at the next topic already.
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You guys really think a Jesuit is going to be pro-Jewish long term? Yeah good luck with that.
Personally speaking I believe the selection of this new pope was possibly the best of possible outcomes... The man seems to be for traditional values and from what most people say is said to be friendly and level headed... It seems that many people are actually looking forward to the I told you so moment when this new Pope makes a few bad moves... Honestly I don't see him seeking to cause new division between the RCC and other religions... Lets face it at best he will try to maintain an open and respectful relationship with other religions however he would be remiss if he did not put the interests of his church before all else... As I watch this 76 year old man in the news I really have a hard time believing he will be so evil that he could preside over the situations described in the past few pope and anti-Christ threads... Time will tell.
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Enthusiast1 or 2,
That was not an algorithm as you claim, here is one:
Step 1 1599 = 650*2 + 299
Step 2 650 = 299*2 + 52
Step 3 299 = 52*5 + 39
Step 4 52 = 39*1 + 13
Step 5 39 = 13*3 + 0
So my post you found questionable said 7+6=13, don't be afraid of simple numbers...
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-reaches-jews-130933711.html
The Pope has made some good moves towards Jews, however we can't say with certainty that there will be consistency, let's hope it was not just some "protocol" but his honest intentions, I agree that time will tell.
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I've been having a good laugh at all the Latin Americans and Hispanics who claim the new pope is one of them, a hispanic pope.
He's all Italian, from Argentina. If he were the son of Japanese immigrants, would hispanics claim him as one of their own too? Silliness!
Jorge Mario Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires. That makes him an Argentinian of Italian descent. I don't understand what there is to laugh about.
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Israel welcomes new Pope as a friend of Jews:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/mar/17/ml-israel-pope/
So the Pope is doing fine for now, he seems to be pro-Israel. Still the last Pope left and the not so good relations with Jews and non-Catholic churches too, stayed. Let's hope the new Pope will have a new, better approach.
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I don't understand what there is to laugh about.
Ah, you went back a few posts to pick that one out after we had dropped it.
No one is laughing as in "hahaha, he's Argentinean" o_O. It's the situation that he is as hispanic as Alberto Fujimori and yet he is "one of us" to some Latin Americans. It's not just me saying it, it's all the comments by many other people: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-pope-article-1.1287399 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-pope-article-1.1287399) That is why some people in the media are having a hard time saying straight out "the first Hispanic pope" and others (Hispanic media) are hailing the "first hispanic pope". Some are uncomfortable saying it, others are saying it. Just an observation.
I am sorry that it bothers you :( Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I had already dropped this one.
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serbian army, what is the signification of your posts here on a topic related to the new Pope? That there will be hostility towards Orthodox Christians?
P.S. you can not be a bigger Patriot than Serbs who actually do live in Serbia. My friends who were on this forum have told me to pass that message to you.
It is significant because two Hindu members pointed out that Jesuit order had made horrific massacres in India. I just added that Indian Orthodox Church members suffered equally in that region if not more. Of course they have some big concerns that new Pope is Jesuit.
As for my patriotism, what you friends are saying is nonsense. Chaim is "more Jewish" than many Jews in Israel and he still lives in NY city.
Anyway, I don't care what your friends think of me. I live in Florida and I love this part of America with all my heart. If that is something that bothers them and they think that I am not Serb enough so be it. I tried to pick up all positive influences of American culture. And one such thing is a right to express your own opinion without some sort of concern that 10 people will jump on you and break your ribs if they disagree (and sure that is case in Serbia). You are attacking people here for expressing what they think and how they feel. I respect all opinions and forum is place to see other views on religion, economics, life, or whatever else.
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It is significant because two Hindu members pointed out that Jesuit order had made horrific massacres in India. I just added that Indian Orthodox Church members suffered equally in that region if not more. Of course they have some big concerns that new Pope is Jesuit.
As for my patriotism, what you friends are saying is nonsense. Chaim is "more Jewish" than many Jews in Israel and he still lives in NY city.
Anyway, I don't care what your friends think of me. I live in Florida and I love this part of America with all my heart. If that is something that bothers them and they think that I am not Serb enough so be it. I tried to pick up all positive influences of American culture. And one such thing is a right to express your own opinion without some sort of concern that 10 people will jump on you and break your ribs if they disagree (and sure that is case in Serbia). You are attacking people here for expressing what they think and how they feel. I respect all opinions and forum is place to see other views on religion, economics, life, or whatever else.
"you are attacking people here for expressing what they think and how they feel", wow, you are really trying to get some low points on this forum after praising Iran and Russia. Actually I made peace with people through pm's already for having different opinions and so called "fights" so I don't care what you think about my posts or what you will say in future posts.
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Other members have a keyboard to defend themselves but you are attacked me about 4 times now in period of several days. I have right to defend my opinions about any country I want and you or no other member will not prevent me to do so. Only way to get rid off me in that matter is to ban me from expressing what I think and how I feel. I strongly believe that you need a real man in you life. I expressed my opinion in situation when 20 people wanted to beat me to death and sure I will have courage to say what I believe on a virtual forum. In real life I do not provoke anyone but be sure I will never ever back down from any human force for what I stand for in that moment.
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I think he could be considered to be culturally Hispanic though. It doesn't mean you have to have Indian or Spanish blood.
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I strongly believe that you need a real man in you life.
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You know my private life all of a sudden? LOL, with that false statement you have made, you sure know nothing about me, what a twisted brain you have.
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Ok you guys go get a drink of your choice and relax for a bit.
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Ah, you went back a few posts to pick that one out after we had dropped it.
No one is laughing as in "hahaha, he's Argentinean" o_O. It's the situation that he is as hispanic as Alberto Fujimori and yet he is "one of us" to some Latin Americans. It's not just me saying it, it's all the comments by many other people: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-pope-article-1.1287399 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-pope-article-1.1287399) That is why some people in the media are having a hard time saying straight out "the first Hispanic pope" and others (Hispanic media) are hailing the "first hispanic pope". Some are uncomfortable saying it, others are saying it. Just an observation.
I am sorry that it bothers you :( Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I had already dropped this one.
::) It doesn't bother me. He is born and bred in Argentina. My opinion is that people from his native land should be proud of him. That is nothing to laugh at. Ha Ha or otherwise. I don't know why you didn't use my whole quote.
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I don't want anyone to take my hippo statement out of context.
What I was trying say was that it shouldn't matter to Jews what a new pope thinks of us. If he likes Jews and Israel genuinely, it becomes a blessing for him and his following. And if he hates us, then woa are the Catholics who blindly follow him.
Therefore whether he's Italian American African Asian purple orange from the planet marmalak or a hippo, it should make no difference to us Jews.
But for the sake of catholic Gentiles, best to bless Israel. Gd will judge.
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The Pope is something we should watch... if he is an anti Semite, he can lead many others to follow. Then we have another Holocaust on our hands, don't fall asleep!
I hate to be a jerk... but Jews constantly try to say there is nothing to worry about!
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The Pope is something we should watch... if he is an anti Semite, he can lead many others to follow. Then we have another Holocaust on our hands, don't fall asleep!
I hate to be a jerk... but Jews constantly try to say there is nothing to worry about!
No. Jews worry about what the Gentiles think when we defend ourselves. My response is, "forget the non Jews when it comes down to defending ourselves." Therefore we have nothing to worry about whomever the pope or new prime minister of such and such is. Gd will judge the people who elected them based on how they treat Israel.
Gd is King of the world. Not the pope and not prime ministers A B C OR D
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I do believe that God will always protect the Jewish people from annihilation. However that doesn't mean there won't be really bad times to go through for Jews and other people. Evil does exist in this world until God wills to finally vanquish it once and for all.
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No. Jews worry about what the Gentiles think when we defend ourselves. My response is, "forget the non Jews when it comes down to defending ourselves." Therefore we have nothing to worry about whomever the pope or new prime minister of such and such is. Gd will judge the people who elected them based on how they treat Israel.
Gd is King of the world. Not the pope and not prime ministers A B C OR D
Have mercy.... I'm glad you finally said it :dance: Words like that coming from a gentile here on the forum for the most part would really fall on deaf Jewish ears... People are getting so wound up in all this prophecy nonsense that they forget that for the most part people control a good part of what happens in the world not a so called anti-Christ... What happened to free will and man's ability to change the world for the better? As for the pope he is a human like anyone else... In a short time we have seen two grow old and become frail just like anyone else... They are only a figure head and spiritual leader of the and church despite all the hype most Roman Catholics do not follow every word that comes out of his mouth... There is a lot less world wide political control in his hands than many people give him credit for.
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Now it can be understood how the most of the world was sleeping on some pretext or the other before WWII when mussolini came to the power.
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Ah, you went back a few posts to pick that one out after we had dropped it.
No one is laughing as in "hahaha, he's Argentinean" o_O. It's the situation that he is as hispanic as Alberto Fujimori and yet he is "one of us" to some Latin Americans. It's not just me saying it, it's all the comments by many other people: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-pope-article-1.1287399 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-pope-article-1.1287399) That is why some people in the media are having a hard time saying straight out "the first Hispanic pope" and others (Hispanic media) are hailing the "first hispanic pope". Some are uncomfortable saying it, others are saying it. Just an observation.
I am sorry that it bothers you :( Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I had already dropped this one.
I heard people say that "in the past there was a Pope of color" and they want it again. That's a lie. I saw on Wikipedia that some white Pope from North Africa is considered by some to be the "first black Pope" but his picture on the article depicts him as being white. I guess the AA blacks don't know that not all of Africa is black. They think they can hijack the whole continent. Africa originally refered to a white tribe in North Africa. The Romans knew North Africa which was white. Only later did blacks in Sub-Saharan Africa begin to be called Africans.
All the Popes were white. The current Pope is the first not to be born in Europe since ancient times but the Non-European ones were from other white places (Pre-Muslim Middle East and North Africa). Those places were part of the Roman Empire and were mostly Catholic before the split between the Eastern and Western churches.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_(Roman_province)
Here's a white African Church Father. I guess there are white Hippos from Africa after all. ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo
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This thread be mad tired