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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yerusha on May 03, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
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What is the correct Kahanist/Torah attitude to 100% gentiles who although not particularly enamoured with Jews and Judaism, still serve in the IDF and fight to defend Israel (eg Druze, Circassians, Bedouin, Christians, Russians, overseas volunteers and even some Muslim Arabs?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4374242,00.html
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Why is this a question, Wonga? Every Israeli in the army should be treated as an equal, based on their rank and their performance. How can anyone suggest that some lives spent defending the nation are less worthy than other lives? If it's true that some person in the army stated this, then this is ashonda. You can't expect other people to serve with valor if they feel that they count 'less.' One can argue that Jews need to support one another first and foremost, but this article is not about Jewish filiality, it's about equal rights for those who equally serve.
That said, as an alleged diplomat, he pursued remedying this situation in the wrong way..tp the best of my knowledge and that's giving him the benefit of the doubt which I have no way of knowing he deserves
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Huh? I read the article and I don't see what he is pissed off about? What did any Rabbi (and who for that matter) say that was against him or any gentile in the army? It is known (and seen) Religious Jews saying a Meshaberach for all I.D.F. fallen soldiers including fallen Druze (and other) non-Jewish soldiers and their names are said as well (as per the ruling or Rav Ovadia Yosef). Soo I don't understand what the writer is talking about and why inciting the public (as seen by the comments) and even what is the complaint?
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I don't understand what the actual discrimination is in the article? And wouldn't viewing Jews as less in the Army be wrong if they are faithful Israelis? I mean the Nation of Israel in ancient and Modern times has always been a mosaic of peoples and it is said that In Leviticus it states
"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt" Vay 19:34
It is also written that:
the Lord shall have mercy on Jacob and again Choose Israel, and He shall place unto them on Their soil, and the strangers shall Accompany unto them and join the House of Jacob. Yeshayahu 14:1
I don't think discrimination of faithful Israelis is productive to Tikkun Olam. However, unfaithful Israelis should go.
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I don't understand what the actual discrimination is in the article? And wouldn't viewing Jews as less in the Army be wrong if they are faithful Israelis? I mean the Nation of Israel in ancient and Modern times has always been a mosaic of peoples and it is said that In Leviticus it states
"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt" Vay 19:34
It is also written that:
the Lord shall have mercy on Jacob and again Choose Israel, and He shall place unto them on Their soil, and the strangers shall Accompany unto them and join the House of Jacob. Yeshayahu 14:1
I don't think discrimination of faithful Israelis is productive to Tikkun Olam. However, unfaithful Israelis should go.
Amen... I don't see any reason to alienate the loyal IDF soldiers who are not Jewish. But I start to question whether Jews and non-Jews should be buried together in the save cemetery...
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Amen... I don't see any reason to alienate the loyal IDF soldiers who are not Jewish.
Unless these "loyal IDF soldiers" are muslim, G-d forbid.
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Well there has been historically faithful bedouin tribes in the Israeli army since its inception. There is this secular Muslim guy who i've seen videos of on US campuses representing Israel he also was chased out of UC Irvine I think I can't think of his name right now..