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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on July 28, 2007, 10:29:00 PM
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I was wondering what everyone's impression was of this?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1185379025922&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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I was wondering what everyone's impression was of this?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1185379025922&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
I know why Israel's leftist Govt is afraid she might become an orthodox Jew and Israeli communist Govt hates orthodox Jews.They should allow her to stay.
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I think it's very sad. Jews are few in number. If someone wants to join us I believe we should welcome them.
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Yes i agree
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It is quite possible that with the growth in interest in Torah Judaism and the disillusionment in other faiths that there could potentially be millions of converts in the future. This could drastically change the demographics in Israel.
Look at the massive growth of the noachide movement that has taken place with ZERO publicity or missionising.
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Hello newman, and good day to you.
I'll be interested in hearing a bit more about this story. I was a tad concerned with this quote: "A friend of mine found a rabbi willing to convert me in Canada and put forward a request for me to visit her there to undergo the conversion process," explained Abbadi..."
I don't know if she's referring to her friend, or the actual rabbi here.
Kindest regards and awaiting Shiloh,
Christopher
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Hello newman, and good day to you.
I'll be interested in hearing a bit more about this story. I was a tad concerned with this quote: "A friend of mine found a rabbi willing to convert me in Canada and put forward a request for me to visit her there to undergo the conversion process," explained Abbadi..."
I don't know if she's referring to her friend, or the actual rabbi here.
Kindest regards and awaiting Shiloh,
Christopher
I didn't catch that but that would obviously imply she would undergo a reform conversion and then be eligible for the right of return. I don't think that's a bad solution for her either. If she has the desire to do this and that is the only way then fine, she will probably do an orthodox later on anyways. Why we as Jews like to talk about reform/conservative converts not being real Jews is beyond me- in theory I agree however I think it turns alot of converts off to going ahead with the orthodox conversion, in general I think we should be more welcoming of people with any desire to convert to any sort of Judaism however obviously with hopes they will see the beauty of orthodox.
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Hello newman, and good day to you.
I'll be interested in hearing a bit more about this story. I was a tad concerned with this quote: "A friend of mine found a rabbi willing to convert me in Canada and put forward a request for me to visit her there to undergo the conversion process," explained Abbadi..."
I don't know if she's referring to her friend, or the actual rabbi here.
Kindest regards and awaiting Shiloh,
Christopher
Sadly, she probably is referring to her 'rabbi'. No doubt it's a whacky reform synagogue with a female, leftist, lesbian, unwed mother 'rabbi'.
Any non-Orthodox conversion is invalid in Judaism, so I wouldn't worry about that side of it. I do worry about Judaism when I hear about these farcockteh deform synagogues convoluting the Jewish faith and culture.
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Hello newman, and good day to you.
I'll be interested in hearing a bit more about this story. I was a tad concerned with this quote: "A friend of mine found a rabbi willing to convert me in Canada and put forward a request for me to visit her there to undergo the conversion process," explained Abbadi..."
I don't know if she's referring to her friend, or the actual rabbi here.
Kindest regards and awaiting Shiloh,
Christopher
I didn't catch that but that would obviously imply she would undergo a reform conversion and then be eligible for the right of return. I don't think that's a bad solution for her either. If she has the desire to do this and that is the only way then fine, she will probably do an orthodox later on anyways. Why we as Jews like to talk about reform/conservative converts not being real Jews is beyond me- in theory I agree however I think it turns alot of converts off to going ahead with the orthodox conversion, in general I think we should be more welcoming of people with any desire to convert to any sort of Judaism however obviously with hopes they will see the beauty of orthodox.
you dont understand that a deformed conversion isnt valid. Im not going to Judge this lady, but if she was sincere and not didnt have any ulterior moties (ex living in Israel which is much better then Morocco or Turkey) and would accept ALL of the Torah laws and went to a Rav in Israel, she would have been accepted. (maybe not right away).
So what if it turns many potential converts off, having converts isnt a command for Jews to make and in some cases could be bad for Jews. Also if a goy converts and doesnt keep Mitzvot properly it is bad for him/her and can even mean that the conversion is invalid + he/she will now suffer for things in Hell that if he/she was a goy would not have been responsible for. for a Jew G-d's Judgment is much stricter.
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Yeah, and the Israeli government counts as Jews Jews who have converted to Islam. >:(
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Hello newman, and good day to you.
I'll be interested in hearing a bit more about this story. I was a tad concerned with this quote: "A friend of mine found a rabbi willing to convert me in Canada and put forward a request for me to visit her there to undergo the conversion process," explained Abbadi..."
I don't know if she's referring to her friend, or the actual rabbi here.
Kindest regards and awaiting Shiloh,
Christopher
I didn't catch that but that would obviously imply she would undergo a reform conversion and then be eligible for the right of return. I don't think that's a bad solution for her either. If she has the desire to do this and that is the only way then fine, she will probably do an orthodox later on anyways. Why we as Jews like to talk about reform/conservative converts not being real Jews is beyond me- in theory I agree however I think it turns alot of converts off to going ahead with the orthodox conversion, in general I think we should be more welcoming of people with any desire to convert to any sort of Judaism however obviously with hopes they will see the beauty of orthodox.
I have to respectfully disagree with this. The reason Jews talk about reform/convervative converts as not being real Jews is because they are NOT real Jews. Conversion is a process defined and dictated by halacha (Jewish Torah law). Reform and Conservative conversions are NOT done in accordance with halacha as even they will tell you. Those people they "convert" are 100% non-Jewish. Though they are tragically deceived and told that they are.
100 years ago there was no such thing as a conversion to Judaism outside of halacha. This is a modern invention that corrupts the true definition of "who is a Jew"-and imposes obligations on the person they don't have and causes them to abandon the obligations they do have.
The result is a lot people thinking they are Jewish, and are not, leading to intermarriage confusion and all sorts of other calamities.
We don't need more Jews. The Bible says we are specifically few in number (this week's parsha!). Our problem is not numbers. Our problem is the Jews we have are not doing what they are supposed to do. Every danger we face, we Jews have brought upon ourselves in some way or another by not doing things the Torah way.
Accepting these phony "conversions" would be a curse for the Jewish people, not a blessing.
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Hello lubab, and good day to you.
As usual, your answers come straight from the Torah. You are an inspiration and credit to this forum. Shalom uv'racha
Until Shiloh comes,
Christopher