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Title: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on February 03, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
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Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on February 04, 2014, 03:44:03 AM
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Anyone who employs the Arab Nazi enemy is a traitor. They should be boycotted - by Jews and righteous Gentiles.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: IsraelForever on February 04, 2014, 04:03:26 AM
I'm a bit confused.  I thought Sodastream is a factory operating in Jewish settlements and employing Jews.  No?  Isn't Scarlett Johansson being praised by pro-Jewish groups for her support of Israel by doing a commercial for Sodastream in spite of Jew/Israel haters tearing her apart for doing the commercial?  Help me understand the truth of the matter please.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on February 04, 2014, 06:19:32 AM
I was going to ask why you need it. But it looks like this is about something else I'm not aware of.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on February 04, 2014, 06:29:41 AM
I don't drink soda's.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on February 04, 2014, 09:41:31 AM
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Anyone who employs the Arab Nazi enemy is a traitor. They should be boycotted - by Jews and righteous Gentiles.

 ;)   . I was thinking similarly, although wasn't and am not too sure because it does also employ some Jews as well.
 
   Also another issue is and would be if to allow the anti-Israel boycotters to get their way and get another win as well.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: ChabadKahanist on February 04, 2014, 10:49:23 AM
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Anyone who employs the Arab Nazi enemy is a traitor. They should be boycotted - by Jews and righteous Gentiles.
That would be the vast majority of companies in Israel including restaurants,hospitals & kupat cholim clinincs.
Very few places have no Arab workers with the noteworthy exception of the yishuv of Bat Ayin (where my daughter lives & they only allow Jewish labor) & a maybe a few other places.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Dr. Dan on February 04, 2014, 12:00:16 PM
Since it's inception and prior, Jews hired Arabs as well as others to do the "handy work" and medial jobs.  The Jews are primarily the brains behind the operation.

The same is true in the US, except switch Jews with Whites and Arabs with third worlders.

Of course there are exceptions.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 04, 2014, 12:04:25 PM
Since it's inception and prior, Jews hired Arabs as well as others to do the "handy work" and medial jobs.  The Jews are primarily the brains behind the operation.

The same is true in the US, except switch Jews with Whites and Arabs with third worlders.

Of course there are exceptions.
But also there is a cultural mindset to it too in Israel--the belief that Arabs are the brothers of Jews and that it would be racist not to hire them, etc.
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Shlomo on February 04, 2014, 02:33:20 PM
Let me help explain what Chaim has clearly stated.

"Palestinian workers praise SodaStream"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/1.571948

"he receives an hour-and-a-half worth of breaks in a standard 12-hour shift, and that prayer times are not deducted from break allowances"

"Truth be told, the SodaStream workers and local Palestinians were downright peeved when asked about the efforts of solidarity activists and their own government to boycott SodaStream," wrote Mitnick, "That could cost the hundreds of Palestinians wage earners salaries that are significantly higher than what they would make at home."

"Speaking to the Forward from his office in the plant, Birnbaum claimed he maintains the facility in Mishor Adumim out of loyalty to some 500 Palestinians who are among the plant’s 1,300 employees."

“We will not throw our employees under the bus to promote anyone’s political agenda,” he said, adding that he “just can’t see how it would help the cause of the Palestinians if we fired them.”

“We already have factories under the control of the Chinese, the Germans, the Americans and many other countries,” he said. “So what’s the problem to have a factory in the Palestinian state-to-be?”

Birnbaum’s adviser, Maurice Silber, said that within the company, “everybody is against the occupation.” But it does not follow, he said, that because SodaStream operates in an occupied area, it violates human rights. Eventually, Silber said, SodaStream could become the “seed of the future Palestinian economy.”

"What Targeting SodaStream Reveals About the BDS Movement"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-h-foxman/what-targeting-sodastream_b_4697062.html

"We are building bridges between us and the Palestinian population, and we provide our Palestinian employees with respectable employment opportunities and an appropriate salary and benefits. We "even" purchase medical insurance for them from a private Israeli company, because I am not confident that the money we pay to the Palestinian Authority for such social benefits will actually be used for medical insurance. Our factory ... also has a small mosque."

Birnbaum posited that should a Palestinian state be established, SodaStream will remain in the West Bank and "pay its taxes to the new Palestinian state."
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Rubystars on February 04, 2014, 03:57:33 PM
Are there any Israeli companies that don't hire Fakestinians?
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 04, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Are there any Israeli companies that don't hire Fakestinians?
Probably not because that would be raaycist.  :'(
Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on February 04, 2014, 07:46:24 PM
Is this in the Barkan Industrial Zone? The Barkan Industrial Zone is the capital of the Shomron Regional Council, the largest municipality by land mass in all of Israel. It includes all the communities in Northern Samaria that are too small to be their own city or local council (Local councils are the Israeli equivalent of a township or borough.).

Kfar Tapuach is in the Shomron Regional Council and HaIvri works in the Liason Office of the Shomron Regional Council. He's like the foreign minister of Samaria.

I also remember hearing that the Israeli bus company in Samaria was criticized for giving Arabs their own bus line (Probably to the same workers.) because Jews didn't want to be on the same bus as the Arabs. Obviously it makes sense since Arabs in Judea and Samaria are known to be suicide bombers. Many of the people who blew up buses in Pre-1967 Israel come from places like Shechem in Northern Samaria.

Title: Re: Soda Stream, good or bad?
Post by: Dr. Dan on February 05, 2014, 11:08:07 AM
oops too late..Already have the soda stream.  Perhaps now the boycott will become successful.

Let me help explain what Chaim has clearly stated.

"Palestinian workers praise SodaStream"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/1.571948

"he receives an hour-and-a-half worth of breaks in a standard 12-hour shift, and that prayer times are not deducted from break allowances"

"Truth be told, the SodaStream workers and local Palestinians were downright peeved when asked about the efforts of solidarity activists and their own government to boycott SodaStream," wrote Mitnick, "That could cost the hundreds of Palestinians wage earners salaries that are significantly higher than what they would make at home."

"Speaking to the Forward from his office in the plant, Birnbaum claimed he maintains the facility in Mishor Adumim out of loyalty to some 500 Palestinians who are among the plant’s 1,300 employees."

“We will not throw our employees under the bus to promote anyone’s political agenda,” he said, adding that he “just can’t see how it would help the cause of the Palestinians if we fired them.”

“We already have factories under the control of the Chinese, the Germans, the Americans and many other countries,” he said. “So what’s the problem to have a factory in the Palestinian state-to-be?”

Birnbaum’s adviser, Maurice Silber, said that within the company, “everybody is against the occupation.” But it does not follow, he said, that because SodaStream operates in an occupied area, it violates human rights. Eventually, Silber said, SodaStream could become the “seed of the future Palestinian economy.”

"What Targeting SodaStream Reveals About the BDS Movement"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-h-foxman/what-targeting-sodastream_b_4697062.html

"We are building bridges between us and the Palestinian population, and we provide our Palestinian employees with respectable employment opportunities and an appropriate salary and benefits. We "even" purchase medical insurance for them from a private Israeli company, because I am not confident that the money we pay to the Palestinian Authority for such social benefits will actually be used for medical insurance. Our factory ... also has a small mosque."

Birnbaum posited that should a Palestinian state be established, SodaStream will remain in the West Bank and "pay its taxes to the new Palestinian state."