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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183971#.U-nnsmMVCYQ
This animal Gidon Sa'ar from Likud is responsible for this.
Interior Minister rules that Jews in same-sex marriages can immigrate to Israel - even with a non-Jewish partner.
(http://in2eastafrica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Interior-Minister-Gideon-Saar.jpg)
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Ew rump rangers!!!!
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All the problems in Gasa, Judea and South Lebanon are superficial and not worth to worry about. It's time to address the real issues facing Jewish nations. Thank you right wing national camp, Pipi, Piperman, and others! Not that even needed additional evidences of how phony you all are. :-\
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So someone who is not even jewish but are gay who are in a partnership with a man can make aliyah to Israel but Chaim can't? What the heck?
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This is a very bad and dangerous idea. Hopefully it is reversed very soon... The entire situation in Israel is sliding toward oblivion... There are no homosexual marriages and Jewishness is only passed from a female mother to a child... No fool can change the basic law so we must keep track of these false marriages and false Jews.
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Tel Aviv is known as "San Francisco" of the East. Israel is known as one of the most "gay friendly" countries in the world.
A man sodomizing another man does not qualify as making another man a Jew. To say this is an abomination of G-d is an understatement. I hate to say Hashem may punish Israel very harshly for desecrating His Holy Name and allowing such filth and perversion in his country. Also, by allowing homosexuals to make "aliyah" they are making an utter mockery of his Torah and his holiest places.
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Tel Aviv is known as "San Francisco" of the East. Israel is known as one of the most "gay friendly" countries in the world.
A man sodomizing another man does not qualify as making another man a Jew. To say this is an abomination of G-d is an understatement. I hate to say Hashem may punish Israel very harshly for desecrating His Holy Name and allowing such filth and perversion in his country. Also, by allowing homosexuals to make "aliyah" they are making an utter mockery of his Torah and his holiest places.
I agree that modern Israel just may be wiped off the map... G-d Forbid and may he save the righteous ones...
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Looks like the Bibi faggets took down the FB page just in time...
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Oh and the obvious problem that Hashem can use to avenge his name is that any of these fagget leftist Jews can now bring in their moustafas as their husbands.
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It all really now depends on The righteous Jews in Israel & around the world what they will do next.
If there isn't large protests to this then I can't see G-d saving anyone.
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It all really now depends on The righteous Jews in Israel & around the world what they will do next.
If there isn't large protests to this then I can't see G-d saving anyone.
You and I both know very well that there isn't going to be a protest. Who's going to organize it, the "right" wing? They'll be called hateful by the news, and might get equally but different less-than-approving stares from the leftists he might eat with at a Friday night dinner table. And Hashem told us that a remnant would remain alive. I expect the redemption, but I would have a difficult time believing that we can bring Moshiah in haste before any catastrophe (G-d forbid).
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You and I both know very well that there isn't going to be a protest. Who's going to organize it, the "right" wing? They'll be called hateful by the news, and might get equally but different less-than-approving stares from the leftists he might eat with at a Friday night dinner table. And Hashem told us that a remnant would remain alive. I expect the redemption, but I would have a difficult time believing that we can bring Moshiah in haste before any catastrophe (G-d forbid).
So in other words do nothing because you may offend the homos, leftists & Nazis?
Is that what you're really saying, just do nothing & let Israel be destroyed?
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I wouldn't care WHO I'd offend, this is pure evil & goes against everything that G-d commands of The Jewish People.
You're not afraid to offend G-d but Nazi's & Homos you fear!
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So in other words do nothing because you may offend the homos, leftists & Nazis?
Is that what you're really saying, just do nothing & let Israel be destroyed?
Can we make a protest? I'll join. Ok, guess I'll do nothing then.
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Can we make a protest? I'll join. Ok, guess I'll do nothing then.
Why don't you get some Jews from around your area or family members & make people aware of this evil?
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The Israeli government has banned guns in the hands of its citizens, but allows and even promotes gay sodomite sex.. Basically, whatever makes the people spiritually and physically weaker makes the evil European-run government machine happier.
Israel is essentially a European-run police state. The ROmans still have not been driven from the land and we still take orders from Caesar.
Even at my Chabad many of the members were promoting gay marriage and saying how evil "Christians" were because they are "homophobic". Somehow, many Jews, themselves, have the misconception that the Torah promotes homosexuality, when in fact, it calls for homosexuals to be put to death. I had to keep my mouth shut at my last Chabad about homosexuality being a sin, as many of the members would have hated my guts if I dared criticize homosexuality. I am amazed at how many Jews think homosexual sodomite sex is kosher. Even at some of the conservative synagogues I have been to, they seem to be under some strange impression that being gay is acceptable for a Jew.
We need to drive all the gays out of Eretz Yisrael, or else Hashem will make sure to punish us the same as he did to Sodom and Gomorrah and we will suffer greatly..
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The Israeli government has banned guns in the hands of its citizens, but allows and even promotes gay sodomite sex.. Basically, whatever makes the people spiritually and physically weaker makes the evil European-run government machine happier.
Israel is essentially a European-run police state. The ROmans still have not been driven from the land and we still take orders from Caesar.
Even at my Chabad many of the members were promoting gay marriage and saying how evil "Christians" were because they are "homophobic". Somehow, many Jews, themselves, have the misconception that the Torah promotes homosexuality, when in fact, it calls for homosexuals to be put to death. I had to keep my mouth shut in my last Chabad about homosexuality being a sin, as many of the members would have hated my guts if I dared criticize homosexuality. I am amazed at how many Jews think homosexual sodomite sex is kosher. Even at some of conservative synagogues I have been to, they seem to be under some strange impression that being gay is acceptable for a Jew.
We need to drive all the gays out of Eretz Yisrael, or else Hashem will make sure to punish us the same as he did to Sodom and Gomorrah and we will suffer greatly..
I'd speak out in a heartbeat. How do you know everyone would hate you? I think if you spoke out and stood firm on your stance and back up Bible versus on evil homo behavior you would be respected. Maybe you'll be thrown out but if that's the case then it's not the place for you. You may be surprised that some people will defend you or leave themselves.
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The Jews that remain silent to this are just like The Jews who were silent during the Holocaust.
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Someone should get the Jewish National Front or some other far-right "fringe" group in Israel to do something about this. Whenever some Marxist in Ukraine brings up homosexuality, and how it should be recognized and the definition of marriage changed, the people turn out en masse to remind them of what the people actually want. Here the homosexuals are against it because they realize it's unnatural. But what we have in western Europe and America, and unfortunately now Israel, is liberal brainwashing to tell them that it's normal and that they should turn even start getting militant about it.
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The Jews that remain silent to this are just like The Jews who were silent during the Holocaust.
Irish Zionist, I already was thrown out of the same Chabad for standing up against an Anti-Israel Palestinian Nationalist at the synagogue who was promoting BDS and Rachel COrrie foundation to the members at the Shabbat table. The Rabbi didn't want me coming back because he was afraid I would offend the traitor, who he was friends with. So, having to stand up against homosexuality would have been next on the agenda, but I didn't even make it that far. Trust me, I am not the kind of guy who keeps my mouth shut very easily. I already knew that I was not so welcomed at the synagogue, because I had very conservative views, so I was trying not to scare everyone away immediately.
We Jews suffered a physical holocaust in the 1930s and 1940s, but today, we are suffering from a spiritual holocaust. I am very open about condemning homosexuality. I've been attacked and called bad names by many Jews for being against homosexuality, Obama, Two-State Solution and female rabbis.
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Irish Zionist, I already was thrown out of the same Chabad for standing up against an Anti-Israel Palestinian Nationalist at the synagogue who was promoting BDS and Rachel COrrie foundation to the members at the Shabbat table. The Rabbi didn't want me coming back because he was afraid I would offend the traitor, who he was friends with. So, having to stand up against homosexuality would have been next on the agenda, but I didn't even make it that far. Trust me, I am not the kind of guy who keeps my mouth shut very easily. I already knew that I was not so welcomed at the synagogue, because I had very conservative views, so I was trying not to scare everyone away immediately.
We Jews suffered a physical holocaust in the 1930s and 1940s, but today, we are suffering from a spiritual holocaust. I am very open about condemning homosexuality. I've been attacked and called bad names by many Jews for being against homosexuality, Obama, Two-State Solution and female rabbis.
This was happening at a Chabad? Is there anywhere in Judaism which the leftist disease has not yet infiltrated?
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This was happening at a Chabad? Is there anywhere in Judaism which the leftist disease has not yet infiltrated?
At some Chabad he knows about, while the Chabad centers and Rabbis that me and others here and every Chabad I ever heard of besides that one are against that.
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Irish Zionist, I already was thrown out of the same Chabad for standing up against an Anti-Israel Palestinian Nationalist at the synagogue who was promoting BDS and Rachel COrrie foundation to the members at the Shabbat table. The Rabbi didn't want me coming back because he was afraid I would offend the traitor, who he was friends with. So, having to stand up against homosexuality would have been next on the agenda, but I didn't even make it that far. Trust me, I am not the kind of guy who keeps my mouth shut very easily. I already knew that I was not so welcomed at the synagogue, because I had very conservative views, so I was trying not to scare everyone away immediately.
We Jews suffered a physical holocaust in the 1930s and 1940s, but today, we are suffering from a spiritual holocaust. I am very open about condemning homosexuality. I've been attacked and called bad names by many Jews for being against homosexuality, Obama, Two-State Solution and female rabbis.
You know you are right & you should keep speaking out.
Publicly some Jews don't support you but I bet privately they go home and say, you know, what he said was right, I wish I had to courage to speak out like that.
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Why don't you get some Jews from around your area or family members & make people aware of this evil?
I live in a very poor neighborhood, and I don't know where the one other Jew here lives, but he's not religious. In my area, a street protest would just let the thieves know I'm not watching my shed.
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At some Chabad he knows about, while the Chabad centers and Rabbis that me and others here and every Chabad I ever heard of besides that one are against that.
Thank God, as that's Judaism's last defense against marxism, just like Israel is the easternmost front for the defense of western civilization from Islam.
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Thank God, as that's Judaism's last defense against marxism, just like Israel is the easternmost front for the defense of western civilization from Islam.
Front? They're fighting in the West too, it's just stage 1/3 fighting where they say peace and lots of love. The West is fighting for them against Israel too, so it's more like the excuse by which The Western world sells out all its defense against pisslam for the greater good of killing all the Jews. Israel shouldn't be governed by Marx or even by Thomas Jefferson but by Hashem, and stop taking one for the Western world that was willing to let clitoris-cutters take them and others over if it meant taking a Jewish home.
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Front? They're fighting in the West too, it's just stage 1/3 fighting where they say peace and lots of love. The West is fighting for them against Israel too, so it's more like the excuse by which The Western world sells out all its defense against pisslam for the greater good of killing all the Jews. Israel shouldn't be governed by Marx or even by Thomas Jefferson but by Hashem, and stop taking one for the Western world that was willing to let clitoris-cutters take them and others over if it meant taking a Jewish home.
But there is some western resistance against Islam.
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But there is some western resistance against Islam.
The minute effect they have serves to numb Jews from the dangers that these Western countries pose to Israel.
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Why aren't the religious Jews in Israel up in arms over this???
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Why aren't the religious Jews in Israel up in arms over this???
That's what I want to know?
I hope they will be soon, they need to be!
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From our Facebook pages:
Israel's Interior Minister Gideon Saar has decided to give automatic Israeli citizenship to homosexual "couples". Now non-Jewish homosexuals who are "married" to gay Jews can move to Israel and receive instant citizenship under the "Law of Return".
But Chaim Ben Pesach has been expelled from Israel for 18 years already. Since Ben Pesach is a religious and patriotic Jew who has devoted his whole life to the Jewish people, he is barred from making aliyah.
Saar and the Netanyahu-Yaalon-Lieberman-Bennett-Lapid regime continue to undermine Jewish values on every possible front.
Recently, Saar and the Likud government granted Israeli citizenship to the children of illegal aliens from Africa and the Third World - an action that encourages many additional illegal aliens to sneak into the Holy Land with their children.
This is a "right-wing" government? This is a Jewish government? In reality, this is a government that implements the extreme left-wing policies of Meretz.
https://facebook.com/koachmesima/photos/a.828621277148987.1073741828.703301089681007/828621237148991/?type=1
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The minute effect they have serves to numb Jews from the dangers that these Western countries pose to Israel.
The danger is mostly socialism, and I would think that the western resistance are staunchly anti-socialist.
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The danger is mostly socialism, and I would think that the western resistance are staunchly anti-socialist.
The danger is worse from the right. We loose more Jews, and we get congratulated on how much we do what the leftists tell us to do.
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I revert to my original statements, Israel needs it's version of a Tea Party, just like the ones the Yankees had on December 16th, 1773. And, no, I am not referring to the "Tea Party" political group, although I am a Tea Partier , in that respect, also.
Basically, the American people couldn't tolerate taking orders from an evil monarchy that did not serve its interests and formed a revolution which gave birth to the greatest nation in the modern world. The Israelites need a Revolution like the one we had in this country to overthrow the corrupt and evil European government. Basically, Israel is still taking its orders from the Queen.
They should rename the country to EurIsrael.. Although, with the strong Islamic influences, perhaps Israrabia or Israelistan could also be befitting.
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I revert to my original statements, Israel needs it's version of a Tea Party, just like the ones the Yankees had on December 16th, 1773. And, no, I am not referring to the "Tea Party" political group, although I am a Tea Partier , in that respect to.
Basically, the American people couldn't tolerate taking orders from an evil monarchy that did not serve its interests and formed a revolution which gave birth to the greatest nation in the modern world. The Israelites need a Revolution like the one we had in this country to overthrow the corrupt and evil European government. Basically, Israel is still taking its orders from the Queen.
They should rename the country to EurIsrael.. Although, with the strong Islamic influences, perhaps Israrabia or Israelistan could also be befitting.
We do. It was illegalized and Chaim runs the closest thing to it. Many of the people do want a revolution. It would be a good idea for the facebook page, like the prophet party or something to go back to our roots before we chose a king, and then make a bunch of facebook pages around that that all spread Torah truth about what Israel must do.
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Not only can a Jewish gay who is partnered with a Gentile Gay come & get citizenship.
So can straight Jews who marry straight Gentiles.
Missionaries make reform & conservative conversions & get married to Jews & are given citizenship.
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Not only can a Jewish gay who is partnered with a Gentile Gay come & get citizenship.
So can straight Jews who marry straight Gentiles.
Missionaries make reform & conservative conversions & get married to Jews & are given citizenship.
If Gog is a gay "Jew" for idolatry convert with a deform convert husband and we let him in, that one's going to take a lot of extra Torah studying and davening tehillim to smooth out. We need Moshiah now, but we gotta stop waiting for his government to come in pain in its time.
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This is what they want. They want more of these sickos because its votes and holding on to power longer for them. This is bad but look at the bigger picture. They are afraid for the "Religious Right" to grow and that is growing, this is why we see that fags, non-Jewish fake "converts" and illegals from Africa are given citizenship. They are afraid of us so they try to prop up their numbers to hang to the power that they have.
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This is what they want. They want more of these sickos because its votes and holding on to power longer for them. This is bad but look at the bigger picture. They are afraid for the "Religious Right" to grow and that is growing, this is why we see that fags, non-Jewish fake "converts" and illegals from Africa are given citizenship. They are afraid of us so they try to prop up their numbers to hang to the power that they have.
Exactly Tag.
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This is what they want. They want more of these sickos because its votes and holding on to power longer for them. This is bad but look at the bigger picture. They are afraid for the "Religious Right" to grow and that is growing, this is why we see that fags, non-Jewish fake "converts" and illegals from Africa are given citizenship. They are afraid of us so they try to prop up their numbers to hang to the power that they have.
Lol and that's what the right wing wants. The left needs mudrats to get its suicidal policies to survive.
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My question is what average Israelis think of this (and the other abominations like granting anchor-baby citizenship). Do average Israelis really, truly support these policies, Chaim?
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From our Facebook pages:
Israel's Interior Minister Gideon Saar has decided to give automatic Israeli citizenship to homosexual "couples". Now non-Jewish homosexuals who are "married" to gay Jews can move to Israel and receive instant citizenship under the "Law of Return".
But Chaim Ben Pesach has been expelled from Israel for 18 years already. Since Ben Pesach is a religious and patriotic Jew who has devoted his whole life to the Jewish people, he is barred from making aliyah.
Saar and the Netanyahu-Yaalon-Lieberman-Bennett-Lapid regime continue to undermine Jewish values on every possible front.
Recently, Saar and the Likud government granted Israeli citizenship to the children of illegal aliens from Africa and the Third World - an action that encourages many additional illegal aliens to sneak into the Holy Land with their children.
This is a "right-wing" government? This is a Jewish government? In reality, this is a government that implements the extreme left-wing policies of Meretz.
https://facebook.com/koachmesima/photos/a.828621277148987.1073741828.703301089681007/828621237148991/?type=1
Chaim you forgot to mention the Ben Ami Carter cult of Black Hebrew Isralites in Dimona who are not Jews & are at all who are American blacks from da hood in Chicago & receive Israeli citizenship & also Haniyah's sister was given Israeli citizenship among others.
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First the Russian Goyim now Gay Goyim.
What next Hamasniks doing reform conversions & getting in under law of return?
Tre missionaries are already doing that so Hamas is not far behind.
One thing leads to another!!!
I was riddiculed by some for being obsessed with the Russian Goyim now we are getting queer Goyim!!!
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Yes we like to show off out enlightenment and tolerance. We are the only democracy in the middle east, we give Arabs full citizenship rights (and no obligations but you won't hear that in our official propaganda), we have liberal laws that are pro diversity and gay rights...
My question is what average Israelis think of this (and the other abominations like granting anchor-baby citizenship). Do average Israelis really, truly support these policies, Chaim?
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My question is what average Israelis think of this (and the other abominations like granting anchor-baby citizenship). Do average Israelis really, truly support these policies, Chaim?
Anchor baby so far hasn't come to Israel but wait.
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Yes we like to show off out enlightenment and tolerance. We are the only democracy in the middle east, we give Arabs full citizenship rights (and no obligations but you won't hear that in our official propaganda), we have liberal laws that are pro diversity and gay rights...
I suspected that. >:( :'(
Expect us to see some really severe judgments on Israel really soon...
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Anchor baby so far hasn't come to Israel but wait.
Children of illegals in Israel now have citizenship. It was in an earlier post.
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Children of illegals in Israel now have citizenship. It was in an earlier post.
Please post the link this is the first I have heard about it.
Not that it means anything as there is plenty I haven't heard about & eventually I do.
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Please post the link this is the first I have heard about it.
Not that it means anything as there is plenty I haven't heard about & eventually I do.
It was in Chaim's post on this very page:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,77638.msg643616.html#msg643616
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It was in Chaim's post on this very page:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,77638.msg643616.html#msg643616
I saw that & it was not talking about anchor babies & but about gay goyim who are partners with Israeli fags being now included under law of return.
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I suspected that. >:( :'(
Expect us to see some really severe judgments on Israel really soon...
G-d forbid. Expect us to make it a perfect state soon.
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I saw that & it was not talking about anchor babies & but about gay goyim who are partners with Israeli fags being now included under law of return.
It clearly talks about the children of illegal aliens.
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It clearly talks about the children of illegal aliens.
I"ll read it it again perhaps I missed something.
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A Jew living in Israel is punished for choosing to fulfill the misva to dwell in Israel in every aspects, foreigners and arabs are advantaged over the native israeli Jews who pay for missiles and terror attacks unleashed on them the victim paying the killer to attack them the nazsis didn't go as far as the israeli authority is doing.
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Israel needs a 'remodelling' to put it bluntly. I have cursed the political system of Israel for years as it makes it virtually impossible to accomplish any meaningful change because of the multiple parties which have no majority (requiring the stupid coalitions which also work in opposite directions)...
What is needed is a system like we have in America with a strong executive who makes executive decisions and has the ability to execute terrorists.
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Apparently, no matter what Israel does, it won't be enough by Israel-hates. On vice news, one of the most vile and anti moral news source, this decision was taken as Israel's desire to "pinkwash Israeli atrocities in Gaza." The comments are even more tale-telling than the articles - it is an Israel bash.
'Pinkwashing' Debate Stirred by Israeli Citizenship for Non-Jewish Gay Spouses
https://news.vice.com/article/pinkwashing-debate-stirred-by-israeli-citizenship-for-non-jewish-gay-spouses
By Chris Köver
August 13, 2014 | 11:30 am
Israel announced on Tuesday that it will now allow gay and lesbian Jews to immigrate to the country with their non-Jewish same-sex spouses and then gain citizenship. In an apparently groundbreaking decision, Interior Minister Gideon Sa'ar (of the conservative Likud party) instructed immigration authorities to no longer differentiate between gay and straight married couples, granting them the same rights under the Law of Return.
"The gates of Israel will be opened before every Jew and his family without discriminating against his lifestyle," Sa'ar stated and, while I'm not sure that most queer people will be thrilled to see their sexual orientation labeled as a "lifestyle," this is an interesting decision for several reasons.
First to the basics: Under the Israeli Law of Return, Jews from anywhere in the world are entitled to Israeli citizenship, and a 1970 amendment extended this right to non-Jewish spouses, children, and grandchildren.
Until recently this right only applied to heterosexual couples, but the new directive means that a spouse of a gay or lesbian Jew will now also automatically be entitled to Israeli citizenship.
'I do not see a distinction between Jews in heterosexual marriage and those who wed in same-sex marriages abroad in accordance with the law.'
In a letter to the immigration authorities, Sa'ar wrote: "I do not see a distinction between Jews in heterosexual marriage and those who wed in same-sex marriages abroad in accordance with the law. Both fulfill the purpose of the Law of Return according to the principle that 'the children will return to their land.'"
There have already been a few cases in which same-sex couples legally married abroad immigrated to Israel under the Law of Return. In 2011, two US citizens who married in Canada — Bayardo Alvarez, who is not Jewish, and Joshua Goldberg, who is — applied for citizenship. After they threatened to sue the ministry, this was finally granted to Alvarez nearly eight months after he applied.
However, the Israeli government stressed that this was an individual case and didn't mean they it would alter its policy. This has now changed. This sounds like it's a great development for egalitarianism and anti-discrimination. But is it really?
Israel claims 'Mission Accomplished' and pulls troops from Gaza. Read more here.
Israel can be regarded (and likes to regard itself) as a haven for LGBTQ in the Middle East. Compared to neighboring countries it grants its queer citizens a remarkable amount of freedom and rights. Queer Israelis serve in the military, are members of parliament, and queer couples are granted the same legal recognition as same-sex couples in financial and other business matters.
Israel doesn't grant its citizens the right to same-sex marriages — a bill that would have allowed same-sex couples to have civil unions was struck down in 2013 — but it does recognize marriages that have been legally performed elsewhere. And while Israeli society as a whole is not particularly accepting of homosexuality (a 2013 study by the Pew Research Center showed that 47 percent of Israelis believe that it shouldn't be accepted), Tel Aviv is considered to be one of the most liberal cities and the gay capital of the Middle East — with a huge LGBT community shaping the scene. The city is one of the prime destinations for queer visitors from all over the world and Israel actively uses this image to attract gay tourists.
Yet critics claim that all this is part of a larger PR campaign, with Israel trying to use LGBT rights as "pinkwashing," a term that gathered traction after a 2010 Guardian article by queer theorist Jasbir Puar decrying "Israel's gay propaganda war." A 2011 piece by queer activist Sarah Schulman in the New York Times used the same arguments and the City University of New York held an entire conference on the subject last year.
'Following this logic every positive statement about the state of Israel could be condemned as a cover-up to gloss over the conflict with the Palestinians.'
While it can be valid to criticize Israel's behavior in its conflict with Palestine, the question remains whether it's a good idea to connect the treatment of Palestinians with the rights of LGBTQ people living in Israel — or weigh up one against the other. As Austrian newspaper Der Standard has noted: "Following this logic every positive statement about the state of Israel could be condemned as a cover-up to gloss over the conflict with the Palestinians."
This kind of black and white view of the situation is not only reductionist. It also runs the risk of being anti-Semitic, as Alan Dershowitz remarked in the New York Post. The insinuation that every decision of the Israeli state is part of an elaborate and orchestrated plan to make the country look better on the international stage — that there must be a malevolent motive or a hidden agenda behind it — is brushing dangerously close to the idea of a "Jewish World Conspiracy," a classic staple of anti-Semitism.
Yotam Gonen, a queer activist and one of the founders of Black Laundry, an Israeli LGBTQ group founded after the Second Intifada and now disbanded, points to another problematic point with this development. Gonen believes the problem with the decision isn't so much pinkwashing, it's that this is a continuation of the inherent racism and nationalism already implied in the Law of Return.
"In my opinion, it's not a very impressive gesture," she told VICE News. "The minister is now trying to appeal to gays and lesbians in order to encourage Jewish immigration to Israel under a law whose sole purpose is to create two separate systems of immigration and citizenship, on the basis of religion or nationality, and under which Palestinian citizens or African refugees are an inferior group and are certainly not entitled to bring their spouses to Israel, straight or gay."
In photos: Gaza residents dig out bodies as ceasefire holds. Read more here.
Hence, Gonen said, this "liberal" gesture is being used to continue a flawed immigration policy that has been in effect in Israel for many years. She also points out that while this directive is "great news for the few to whom it will apply," it is primarily intended for gay and lesbian Jews from Western Europe or North America.
Liad Hussein Kantorowicz, an LGBTQ rights activist who has spent many years organizing in Tel Aviv, sees the decision as deeply inconsistent for yet another reason. "There is something very contradictory about the Israeli State giving citizenship to people who come from Western countries with a recognized marriage when it as a country doesn't allow gay marriage," she told VICE News.
"In the past there have been several cases where mixed couples of Jews and non-Jews in Israel had huge problem because of this. So it's clear how the Israeli state is using this to manipulate the discourse internationally — particularly the discourse that ties any sort of pro-gay leanings with any sort of Western enlightened ideology."
'It's absolutely ridiculous that non-Jewish people from abroad can now live in Israel based on their gay partnerships whereas straight people in Israel don't have such rights — even if they were born in this country.'
Hussein Kantorowicz also backs up the point that this decision is more about keeping an unjust system in place than about creating more equality: "If you are Palestinian living in Israel and you have an Israeli ID, you can absolutely not marry any Palestinian living in the West Bank or in Gaza without an ID, your partnership will not be recognized and you will not be allowed to live together — because you are not Jewish. So it's absolutely ridiculous that non-Jewish people from abroad can now live in Israel based on their gay partnerships whereas straight people in Israel don't have such rights — even if they were born in this country."
Follow Chris Köver on Twitter: @ckoever
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This is the logical conclusion of allowing tens of thousands of Russian Goyim in under the so called law of return.
For those of you who gave me hard time about the issue of Russian Goyim in Israel,you wanted the Russian areilim & now you got the rump rangers as well.
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Sick Sick Immoral people who don't know what God has stored up for them! "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner; giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 1:7 Going after strange flesh means going after flesh different than what is rightfully ours to claim, that which is forbidden by God for us to have, outside the bounds of God's laws, hence the term sexual deviance, to deviate what is acceptable to God.
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It's bad enough that these self-hating, disease-spreading monsters are living in Israel. Now their "husbands" are being welcomed. Disgraceful.
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Im no fan of Charedi Judaism or the religious parties who sell out. Turned their back on Meier Kahane, Hashem Ikane Damo, but military service in the traditon of Yehoshua Bin Nun, thrue Melech Shlomo and Melech Daveed, thru Matityahu Cohen, VeGibor UChamisha Beno, bothers them but this they have nothing to raise noise and protest and cause a ruckus about? Elo Israel Yishmor. :'(
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Im no fan of Charedi Judaism or the religious parties who sell out. Turned their back on Meier Kahane, Hashem Ikane Damo, but military service in the traditon of Yehoshua Bin Nun, thrue Melech Shlomo and Melech Daveed, thru Matityahu Cohen, VeGibor UChamisha Beno, bothers them but this they have nothing to raise noise and protest and cause a ruckus about? Elo Israel Yishmor. :'(
A little off topic. Also, the Breslev and Lubavitch are for the most part completely supportive of Israel and the army, so that's baseless lashon hara.
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Gay marriage is an abomination as well as the lifestyle....this is provoking the Lord...How dumb can people be.
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Oh Brother....Homosexuality to God is an abomination...he has destroyed numerous civilizations because of it, Sodom Gomorrah, Rome, the US, and will allow enemies to invade civilizations as Judgement.....this decision needs to be reversed. God is not going to bless societies that practice Sodomy and fornication, Its the Roman Road to Wrath.
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As I said above welcoming all these Russian areilim was what opened the Pandora's box to the fags.
To all those who thought I was obsessed over the issue of Russian Goyim in Israel it is your fault for not supporting me & making a bigger stink & now we have the rump rangers thanks to you & your silence & complicity!!
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The Lord is coming to Judge and their will be wars in Israel, and on the earth. Homosexuality is an abomination, all those who do not repent and change their ways are in for God's wrath. Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah. and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." For this God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did exchange the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the recompence of their error which was met." Romans 1;24
2nd Peter 2:6, 7 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked." The filthy conversation of the wicked, literally means, the Filthy Manner of LIfe of the Wicked.
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The Lord is coming to Judge and their will be wars in Israel, and on the earth. Homosexuality is an abomination, all those who do not repent and change their ways are in for God's wrath. Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah. and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." For this God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did exchange the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the recompence of their error which was met." Romans 1;24
2nd Peter 2:6, 7 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked." The filthy conversation of the wicked, literally means, the Filthy Manner of LIfe of the Wicked.
So he clearly didn't study much Torah because he didn't deliver just Lot.
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these dumbs just must scrap the whole aliya program which is a absolute disaster and start anew with 1 which attract Jews not fake 1, this so called aliya is just a carrot aimed at Jews and a facade for the outside world thus they can say what a country that gives help to Jew coming in which is totally untrue because within the first year of your arrival you're considered like any israeli who was born there and without all the advantages given to arabs that haven't asked anything while there are Jew who are denied return or made the most despicable difficulty for being Jew in the Jewish country.
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these dumbs just must scrap the whole aliya program which is a absolute disaster and start anew with 1 which attract Jews not fake 1, this so called aliya is just a carrot aimed at Jews and a facade for the outside world thus they can say what a country that gives help to Jew coming in which is totally untrue because within the first year of your arrival you're considered like any israeli who was born there and without all the advantages given to arabs that haven't asked anything while there are Jew who are denied return or made the most despicable difficulty for being Jew in the Jewish country.
Aliyah is good. Good Jews need to do it more so that the government can't pull this.
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A little off topic. Also, the Breslev and Lubavitch are for the most part completely supportive of Israel and the army, so that's baseless lashon hara.
Charedim to me are the ones who wont serve, wont give the state the time of day other then to get money from it and yet feel they should have equal weight and say with those of us who served, and pay taxes. And would not look twice at another Jew who they think is not as pious as them. So I dont think something observed personally and related is Loshon Hora.
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Charedim to me are the ones who wont serve, wont give the state the time of day other then to get money from it and yet feel they should have equal weight and say with those of us who served, and pay taxes. And would not look twice at another Jew who they think is not as pious as them. So I dont think something observed personally and related is Loshon Hora.
Many Charedim like Chabad & Breslov do serve the Seret Vizhnnitz Rebbe,ZJ"L.ZY"A fought in the war of independence.
My grandson in 2 years will be serving & my son was in the Golani!!!
Don't generalize!!!!!
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Charedim to me are the ones who wont serve, wont give the state the time of day other then to get money from it and yet feel they should have equal weight and say with those of us who served, and pay taxes. And would not look twice at another Jew who they think is not as pious as them. So I dont think something observed personally and related is Loshon Hora.
Breslev and Chabad serve. Many other Charedim work and don't agree with the leeching system. They started serving before they got pushed into a corner and then came out against the government, and you should be against the government trying to strip them of their Judaism too, religious units in the army should be actually religious.
Furthermore, leftists get just as many draft deferrals as Charedim, but it's not part of the narrative, so they just advertise easy ways for them to get out of it and it's fine so long as they don't want to serve because they support terrorists. The homosexual goyim that marry Jews and come aren't going to be the ones saving, you, and G-d willing no Jew prays for that ever.
The vast majority would rally around a real Jewish government and would participate in something they see as helping Jews, rather than the current system that is there to help Arabs.
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Breslev and Chabad serve. Many other Charedim work and don't agree with the leeching system. They started serving before they got pushed into a corner and then came out against the government, and you should be against the government trying to strip them of their Judaism too, religious units in the army should be actually religious.
Furthermore, leftists get just as many draft deferrals as Charedim, but it's not part of the narrative, so they just advertise easy ways for them to get out of it and it's fine so long as they don't want to serve because they support terrorists. The homosexual goyim that marry Jews and come aren't going to be the ones saving, you, and G-d willing no Jew prays for that ever.
The vast majority would rally around a real Jewish government and would participate in something they see as helping Jews, rather than the current system that is there to help Arabs.
Agreed