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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ChabadKahanist on September 15, 2014, 03:14:00 AM
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I just got a reply from the president of the Broward & Palm Beach Vaad (ORB) & he said that neither the Broward/Palm Beach Vaad nor the Miami-Dade Vaad recognizes his conversions & the only 2 rabbis recognized in the whole state are Rabbi Edward Davis of the Young Israel of Hollywood & Fort Laudedale & Rabbi David Lehrfield of the Young Israel of Greater Miami.
He said any teuda coming from Meza has as much value as a roll of Charmin.
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What about Meza's own conversion, is it kosher?
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What about Meza's own conversion, is it kosher?
Good question
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He is a fool & I have a feeling he believes in the "New" Testament and may even pray to JC
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193302043228&set=vb.319582778227&type=2&theater
Messianics are NOT HERETICS!
Messianic Jews are not Idolaters and should be accepted as full Jews if they keep Torah and Halacha..
with Rabbi Asher Meza of TorahJudaism.org
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He is a fool & I have a feeling he believes in the "New" Testament and may even pray to JC
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193302043228&set=vb.319582778227&type=2&theater
Messianics are NOT HERETICS!
Messianic Jews are not Idolaters and should be accepted as full Jews if they keep Torah and Halacha..
with Rabbi Asher Meza of TorahJudaism.org
I am inclined to agree with you/
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I told you in the last post about him, I followed the lineage of fake Torah that he preaches, and it's ironically teachings from some Kaballist that Judaism said was not Judaism, and he talks against kaballah. His credibility is about equal to that of whichever popstar it was that picked a Jewish name and did Kaballah, except he makes goyim keep some tough mitzvot.
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I told you in the last post about him, I followed the lineage of fake Torah that he preaches, and it's ironically teachings from some Kaballist that Judaism said was not Judaism, and he talks against kaballah. His credibility is about equal to that of whichever popstar it was that picked a Jewish name and did Kaballah, except he makes goyim keep some tough mitzvot.
whats his name?
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My name for this cretin is 'Acher Metzora' meaning the Other Leper...
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He says he disagrees with the Rambam :::D :::D
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He says he disagrees with the Rambam :::D :::D
Is that a sin? I know real rabbis who have disagreements with Rambam. What matters is what the disagreement is about.
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BTW,His legal name is Jorge pronounced Hor Hay
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whats his name?
Phillip Berg
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Maybe we could get Chaim or Shlomo to do a video exposing this fraud?
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Unfortunately, Meza's own conversion may have been valid, as he has been able to get into a study program in Israel Aish in Jerusalem, if it could be proved to have been invalid- that would be a solution to the problem that is "Asher Meza"- he would be done. Also, his legal documents he has posted (his Israeli ID card) has him as George, is there something showing his as Jorge? It does seem his smicha is FAKE as well. His study at Aish was only for a few months and there was no word if he did complete it or not. The smicha he boldly posts up is blurred out.
As for his mass conversions, I am sorry to say this and I know people will disagree with me. BUT, it's not as simple as saying that they are false conversions. The real issue is that unfortunately- there may be some validity in them bedieved. The danger is that Meza twists Torah and pulls down all the fences and says that everything else is "rabbi worship".
The issue with Meza's mass conversions:
The issue of could they be valid "bedieved"- in the simplest terms- possibly. If we look at Mishneh Torah Issurei Biah Chapter 13 you find that even when conversions were banned in the time of King David and King Solomon, people still did conversions that were performed not by the courts but by ordinary people (so an ordinary Jew who was not a judge) would perform such conversions. Officially, that "convert" was not turned away and not treated as a non-Jew, but not accepted or able to marry a Jew until his or her righteousness was proved. In other words, as we can see bedieved, there might have been some validity to their conversion. Same with Sampson who converted Dalilah- who was technically still not allowed to him for her ulterior motives but was not obligated to divorce her because of some type of bedieved- conversion.
As such, Asher Meza is very much aware that NO ONE in the Jewish community is going to accept his "converts". No one will and the fences and requirements stand in regard to converts following the process that the Batei Din (by 3 Jewish born rabbis) have placed. However, Asher Meza is also aware that bedieved, he is creating a situation where in the simplest form- some type of a quasi type of conversion might have taken place.... (like a Hebrew national conversion- not Kosher in reality but maybe kosher for the most lenient definition).
Asher Meza is VERY much aware of the situation he is creating with his mass conversions, because he knows that if there is any doubt in these people's Jewishness safek, then now that they did some type of conversion- bedieved, he insists the Jewish community "reconvert" them and is hoping to get his "mass converts" a little push and into a more lenient giyur lechumra. (rather than if they had gone to a beis din and started a giyur for a few years). Because now he gave them the safek status. He has actually stated this in his videos and it is his goal. To fill Judaism with his gentiles and give them some mass bedieved type of conversions knowing they will not be accepted, and trying to force the Orthodox Jewish community to accept these people and reconvert with a giyur lechumra so that there will no longer be a question in their status. In other words, Asher Meza knows exactly what he is doing with his "mass conversions" and there is actually something more sinister going on than just "mass converting people". He is hoping to mass convert people in order to force Orthodox Judaism to reconvert them properly and fill Judaism with these gentiles as he wants (because he feels Judaism is too blood oriented) and he is also observing if his "mass converts" get mistreated in order to accuse the Jewish community of not loving the ger and baseless hatred. What he is doing is more than just mass conversions, but actually his attempt to take over.
The issue also is that Meza and all his loonies are ALL converts themselves and they are not supposed to be judges like in a Beis Din. But since they are dealing with non-Jews, I don't know if this would mean they can't be judges over converts or not. If gerim are not supposed to be judges over people becoming gerim at all- then we don't have to worry about any validity in any mass conversion, issues with it being valid, bedieved or not. As we know, a ger tzeddek, righteous as he may be, is not one who would end up in a position of authority.
I think the best way to expose this FRAUD is to talk about his latest video where he states that "Messianic Jews are not heretics" and pretty much condones their work and to expose his FAKE smicha to prove he is not a real RABBI.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960661/jewish/Issurei-Biah-Chapter-Thirteen.htm
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Is that a sin? I know real rabbis who have disagreements with Rambam. What matters is what the disagreement is about.
Of course but Meza to disagree with Rambam
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Unfortunately, Meza's own conversion may have been valid, as he has been able to get into a study program in Israel Aish in Jerusalem, if it could be proved to have been invalid- that would be a solution to the problem that is "Asher Meza"- he would be done. Also, his legal documents he has posted (his Israeli ID card) has him as George, is there something showing his as Jorge? It does seem his smicha is FAKE as well. His study at Aish was only for a few months and there was no word if he did complete it or not. The smicha he boldly posts up is blurred out.
As for his mass conversions, I am sorry to say this and I know people will disagree with me. BUT, it's not as simple as saying that they are false conversions. The real issue is that unfortunately- there may be some validity in them bedieved. The danger is that Meza twists Torah and pulls down all the fences and says that everything else is "rabbi worship".
The issue with Meza's mass conversions:
The issue of could they be valid "bedieved"- in the simplest terms- possibly. If we look at Mishneh Torah Issurei Biah Chapter 13 you find that even when conversions were banned in the time of King David and King Solomon, people still did conversions that were performed not by the courts but by ordinary people (so an ordinary Jew who was not a judge) would perform such conversions. Officially, that "convert" was not turned away and not treated as a non-Jew, but not accepted or able to marry a Jew until his or her righteousness was proved. In other words, as we can see bedieved, there might have been some validity to their conversion. Same with Sampson who converted Dalilah- who was technically still not allowed to him for her ulterior motives but was not obligated to divorce her because of some type of bedieved- conversion.
As such, Asher Meza is very much aware that NO ONE in the Jewish community is going to accept his "converts". No one will and the fences and requirements stand in regard to converts following the process that the Batei Din (by 3 Jewish born rabbis) have placed. However, Asher Meza is also aware that bedieved, he is creating a situation where in the simplest form- some type of a quasi type of conversion might have taken place.... (like a Hebrew national conversion- not Kosher in reality but maybe kosher for the most lenient definition).
Asher Meza is VERY much aware of the situation he is creating with his mass conversions, because he knows that if there is any doubt in these people's Jewishness safek, then now that they did some type of conversion- bedieved, he insists the Jewish community "reconvert" them and is hoping to get his "mass converts" a little push and into a more lenient giyur lechumra. (rather than if they had gone to a beis din and started a giyur for a few years). Because now he gave them the safek status. He has actually stated this in his videos and it is his goal. To fill Judaism with his gentiles and give them some mass bedieved type of conversions knowing they will not be accepted, and trying to force the Orthodox Jewish community to accept these people and reconvert with a giyur lechumra so that there will no longer be a question in their status. In other words, Asher Meza knows exactly what he is doing with his "mass conversions" and there is actually something more sinister going on than just "mass converting people". He is hoping to mass convert people in order to force Orthodox Judaism to reconvert them properly and fill Judaism with these gentiles as he wants (because he feels Judaism is too blood oriented) and he is also observing if his "mass converts" get mistreated in order to accuse the Jewish community of not loving the ger and baseless hatred. What he is doing is more than just mass conversions, but actually his attempt to take over.
The issue also is that Meza and all his loonies are ALL converts themselves and they are not supposed to be judges like in a Beis Din. But since they are dealing with non-Jews, I don't know if this would mean they can't be judges over converts or not. If gerim are not supposed to be judges over people becoming gerim at all- then we don't have to worry about any validity in any mass conversion, issues with it being valid, bedieved or not. As we know, a ger tzeddek, righteous as he may be, is not one who would end up in a position of authority.
I think the best way to expose this FRAUD is to talk about his latest video where he states that "Messianic Jews are not heretics" and pretty much condones their work and to expose his FAKE smicha to prove he is not a real RABBI.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960661/jewish/Issurei-Biah-Chapter-Thirteen.htm
His conversions are absolutely invalid & the only 2 rabbis in the whole state that are accept by the 2 local vaads ORB Palm Beach & Broward Counties & ORC Miam-Dade County are Rabbi Edward Davis of the Young Israel of Hollywood & Fort Laudedale & Rabbi David Lehrfield of the Young Israel of Greater Miami.
Accepted by Sephardim,Litvaks,Chabad,Yekkes,other Ashknenazim as well as by the RCA & the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
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Any comments on any of the points I made though? I have consulted with two rabbis on this matter- one Chabad and the other non-Chabad Haredi who have told me that the danger is that there may be some validity bedieved- and that is why Meza must be stopped immediately from mass converting people. I myself was surprised to hear it. I wish we could just say "not valid-end of story".
We can say "without a Beis Din- the judges and making the person study for 2-3 years, it's invalid" we all accept that. But, when we refer to the actual definitions and down to basics of giyur- the process was actually a lot faster and more lenient than that. In the past, people were able to do giyur in a matter of a few days overseen by regular people and it was seen as valid to a point. Meza is trying to revert Judaism down to the bare minimum definitions and the days of Anshei Knesset Hagedolah past for his "converts" in his attempt to force the Jewish community to "re-convert" them, which is his goal.
I repeat my point- the goal of Asher Meza is not really to just do mass conversions- he knows his mass converts will never be accepted. His goal is to attempt to take over Judaism by bringing in masses of non-Jews and get them into Judaism bedieved and thereby trying to force Judaism to re-convert all these masses (which will not happen) with giyur lechumra. I am merely stating that saying mass conversions is not enough, we have to look at the deeper issues.
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Any comments on any of the points I made though? I have consulted with two rabbis on this matter- one Chabad and the other non-Chabad Haredi who have told me that the danger is that there may be some validity bedieved- and that is why Meza must be stopped immediately from mass converting people. I myself was surprised to hear it. I wish we could just say "not valid-end of story".
We can say "without a Beis Din- the judges and making the person study for 2-3 years, it's invalid" we all accept that. But, when we refer to the actual definitions and down to basics of giyur- the process was actually a lot faster and more lenient than that. In the past, people were able to do giyur in a matter of a few days overseen by regular people and it was seen as valid to a point. Meza is trying to revert Judaism down to the bare minimum definitions and the days of Anshei Knesset Hagedolah past for his "converts" in his attempt to force the Jewish community to "re-convert" them, which is his goal.
I repeat my point- the goal of Asher Meza is not really to just do mass conversions- he knows his mass converts will never be accepted. His goal is to attempt to take over Judaism by bringing in masses of non-Jews and get them into Judaism bedieved and thereby trying to force Judaism to re-convert all these masses (which will not happen) with giyur lechumra. I am merely stating that saying mass conversions is not enough, we have to look at the deeper issues.
Best way to find out would be to contact either Rabbi David Lehrfield or Rabbi Edward Davis they would be in the best position to say if there is a safek that it may bideved or not & to make all issues on this crystal clear.
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I am Rabbi Asher Meza..
I would be happy to respond to any disagreement anyone may have with me regarding anything I may of said in a video, but please be cordial lets do them one by one..
And also regarding the claim that I have fake smicha, (not sure where this Motze Shemra began).
And about any conversion being Bedieved.
And the halacha regarding my latest video about heresy and messianics..
Please be respectful and I'm sure that I will be able to satisfy all of you question with sound Halachic explanations.
I'm sure we are all religious here so lets use this as a tool for learning...
If anyone would like to call me my number is 058-627-5403
Hatzlacha Rabba
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I am Rabbi Asher Meza..
I would be happy to respond to any disagreement anyone may have with me regarding anything I may of said in a video, but please be cordial lets do them one by one..
And also regarding the claim that I have fake smicha, (not sure where this Motze Shemra began).
And about any conversion being Bedieved.
And the halacha regarding my latest video about heresy and messianics..
Please be respectful and I'm sure that I will be able to satisfy all of you question with sound Halachic explanations.
I'm sure we are all religious here so lets use this as a tool for learning...
If anyone would like to call me my number is 058-627-5403
Hatzlacha Rabba
Answer here why is that neither ORB nor ORC nor RCA nor the Israeli rabbanut recognize your conversions as valid?
You are as phony as a 3 dollar bill!!
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The Rabbanute and the RCA (ORB is predominatley a Kashrut organization) only recognizes the conversion of about 20 Rabbis in the whole US.
So that means that a conversion performed by 99% of Orthodox Rabbis today would not be accepted by these groups either..
(that does not mean that their conversions are any less kosher from a halachic perspective)
And lets not be rude or get mad please kol ha-kofeis kfilu avad avodah zarah...
Thank you
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The Rabbanute and the RCA (ORB is predominatley a Kashrut organization) only recognizes the conversion of about 20 Rabbis in the whole US.
So that means that a conversion performed by 99% of Orthodox Rabbis today would not be accepted by these groups either..
(that does not mean that their conversions are any less kosher from a halachic perspective)
And lets not be rude or get mad please kol ha-kofeis kfilu avad avodah zarah...
Thank you
Why is it that Rabbi Weberman says that your conversions are as good as toilet paper?
Also why is that neither the RCA nor the Israeli rabbanut recognize your conversions?
Just answer clearly & succinctly why?
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I know Rabbi Weberman (Orb) I really doubt such a Ba'al Nefesh as himself would refer to anything done L'shem Shamayim/al pi Halacha as anything slightly related to what you described he said...
But the truth is that if he performed conversions (which he does not) they also would not be recognized.
I think that in regards of people disliking me as a person that perhaps would be in issue of pasul le'edut in their eyes...
However the SA in Yoreh deah states that a conversion is still kosher with only 2 witnesses...
(also I have never charged for conversions and only performed them for individuals who do not live near orthodox communities and are committed in starting their own communities in their part of the world)...
with much blessings brother....
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I know Rabbi Weberman (Orb) I really doubt such a Ba'al Nefesh as himself would refer to anything done L'shem Shamayim/al pi Halacha as anything slightly related to what you described he said...
But the truth is that if he performed conversions (which he does not) they also would not be recognized.
I think that in regards of people disliking me as a person that perhaps would be in issue of pasul le'edut in their eyes...
However the SA in Yoreh deah states that a conversion is still kosher with only 2 witnesses...
(also I have never charged for conversions and only performed them for individuals who do not live near orthodox communities and are committed in starting their own communities in their part of the world)...
with much blessings brother....
Rabbi Weberman is ORC not ORB & his grandson told me this that he doesn't recognize your conversions that the only conversions done in Florida that he recognizes are those by either Rabbi Lehrfield or Rabbi Davis.
How about RCA & Rabbanut why don't they recognize your conversions?
I have no reason to dislike you because I do not know you & I do not live in the US,however it would be nice if you address the issue.
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I didn't read all the comments, only up to this-
Israeli Heart:
" (like a Hebrew national conversion- not Kosher in reality but maybe kosher for the most lenient definition). "
This isn't on topic, but since you said it here I have to respond that this is lashon hara (*Correction- Motzi shem Ra) . You claim it is "not Kosher in reality" but according to whom and what knowledge of yours about this? From what I know (R Abadi) says that Hebrew National is Kosher and now has a very good Hasgaha as well under Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag and his sons to whom we may rely upon and not upon a Bdieved situation but Lehathila for those who eat Kosher (putting aside the Sefardi Glatt Beit Yosef).
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I didn't read all the comments, only up to this-
Israeli Heart:
" (like a Hebrew national conversion- not Kosher in reality but maybe kosher for the most lenient definition). "
This isn't on topic, but since you said it here I have to respond that this is lashon hara. You claim it is "not Kosher in reality" but according to whom and what knowledge of yours about this? From what I know (R Abadi) says that Hebrew National is Kosher and now has a very good Hasgaha as well under Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag and his sons to whom we may rely upon and not upon a Bdieved situation but Lehathila for those who eat Kosher (putting aside the Sefardi Glatt Beit Yosef).
Tag you are correct on this & it was also fine under Rabbi Tibor Stern,ZT"L & before him Rabbi Yehuda Altulsky,ZT"L.
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I would be happy to answer anything you want me to.
I would then ask why does someone who goes by Halacha directly go against what halacha teaches us is a kosher conversion.
In order not to accept something as kosher you first have to have a Halachic reason for doing so?
Please tell me what are those reasons so i can then respond...
Kol Tov
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Im also in Israel please call me if you have any questions 058-627-5403
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Tag, I am not accepting the lashon hara accusation. I stand by what I said. No one is going to accept these poor people and to bring them into Judaism in this way, where no one will accept them and try to force the community to "re-convert them" is messed up. However, I am also not interested in arguing with you either. I am not sure if you gave Asher here the heads up on this post, last thing I need is for "Dana Cohen" and the others to come in here too. I don't know how Chaim feels about having this person in this forum.
Anyways, thanks to rabbi ASHER's clarifications about lashon hara I shouldn't be that concerned. Heaven forbid I should go by the Chofetz Chaim and commit rabbi worship.
I never said their "conversions" are 100% invalid, I said there could be some validity bedieved and that the true issue is creating people this way and either force them into our communities.
Btw, if you enjoy triangle K products go right ahead. I know of no one in my community who would put anything triangle K in their mouths. When we talk figuratively about people, to say these "conversions" are like Hebrew national it's merely an example that while it may be kosher to some people under some definitions, it is not kosher to another. But, since you didn't read anything but this part, I can understand that you would take it somewhere else.
Issurei Biah Chapter 13: "Halacha 18: For this reason, our Sages said:46 "Converts are as difficult for the Jewish people to bear as a leprous blemish."
I didn't write it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMs4T5RmNI
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Tag, I am not accepting the lashon hara accusation. I stand by what I said. No one is going to accept these poor people and to bring them into Judaism in this way, where no one will accept them and try to force the community to "re-convert them" is messed up.
Anyways, thanks to rabbi ASHER's clarifications about lashon hara I shouldn't be that concerned. Heaven forbid I should go by the Chofetz Chaim and commit rabbi worship.
I never said their "conversions" are 100% invalid, I said there could be some validity bedieved and that the true issue is creating people this way and either force them into our communities.
Btw, if you enjoy triangle K products go right ahead. I know of no one in my community who would put anything triangle K in their mouths.
Issurei Biah Chapter 13: "Halacha 18: For this reason, our Sages said:46 "Converts are as difficult for the Jewish people to bear as a leprous blemish."
I didn't write it.
While I personally don't eat triangle K you can not say it is not kosher.
Rabbi Ralbag is a big talmid chochom & although he relies on kulos that most don't rely on you can not say it is not kosher.
It is kosher just not mehadrin.
If Rabbi Abadi vouches for it is okay.
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I never said it's not kosher. Are people not reading what I am writing? Or just skimming through it?
I said it is kosher to some but not kosher for others. Some people believe this is a kosher product. Others believe it is barely kosher and others just do not consider it kosher.
To give you an example, I can go to Glatt Mart in LA and will NOT find Hebrew National at all being sold there. But, they are in the kosher section in Ralphs. I consider triange K as "technically kosher" meaning that yes it is kosher but I don't touch and it is not what is done in my community and teachings.
Likewise, these people's "conversions" may be valid by some people but not valid by others.
I hope this clarified everyone's confusion.
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One thing I would like to discuss, since we're talking about conversion are some interesting quotes that perhaps the posters here can shed more light on.
UPDATE: I have deleted my quotes about gerim as to not insult anyone. Let's just say- there are some not so nice quotes about gerim, that are best kept private.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMs4T5RmNI
Your logic & halachic sources are 100 % spot on!!!!
Having worked in kashrus I can tell you that a good deal of it is politics & has nothing to do with halacha.
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Im also in Israel please call me if you have any questions 058-627-5403
And you like being in Israel? Or take still take the Satmar stance on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBUm1fyCXAE
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Your logic & halachic sources are 100 % spot on!!!!
Having worked in kashrus I can tell you that a good deal of it is politics & has nothing to do with halacha.
I am glad you have found some common ground. I am not a kashrut expert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXNNIIytFvQ
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What's going on here!?!
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I wish I could find his stupid anti Noachide video. ..
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My stance is simliar to that of Yeshaya Liebowitz..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpTyxvEcwIg&list=UUOrRwDkjdICVSwoqEPiHARA
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I am glad you have found some common ground. I am not a kashrut expert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXNNIIytFvQ
This is digsusting & not at all true.
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Please be respectful, Im here i could answer answer any halachic objections you may have to my work...
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In terms of Zionism I was a settler in Yehuda v'shomrom for 4 years, (Kochav Hashachar)
I also ran kahane.org for 6 years
and womeningreen.org for 8 years..
I spent alot of time in Kfar Tapuach and have done alot of work with Mike Guzofsky and the boys...
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Yes, well I am not interested in arguing. I was going to post more including the restaurant picture someone posted in Dor Deah Watch but never mind, no point is there- there are some fences that can go down to explain that too. I disagree completely with the mass conversions. I am not going to say they are "invalid" because technically there could be some validity in the simplest terms and definitions. Considering that Issueri Biah speaks about ordinary people performing giyur when they were banned during the time of King David and King Solomon- however the gerim were not turned away but were rather looked upon with suspicion.
I am not sure if your goal is to flood Judaism with these people in the attempt to force the rest of us to "re-convert" them. I just disagree with what you do. I wish the best for those people and hope they are not too hurt with the rejection they face and will face in the coming years.
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In terms of Zionism I was a settler in Yehuda v'shomrom for 4 years, (Kochav Hashachar)
I also ran kahane.org for 6 years
and womeningreen.org for 8 years..
I spent alot of time in Kfar Tapuach and have done alot of work with Mike Guzofsky and the boys...
And yet... that video.
WOW, really? Kahane.org? What years was that? I know several people involved in Kahane.org, several on my contacts list. Give me the dates and I'll go ask them.
I also am close with one of the former administrators from there who will surely verify.
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Yes, well I am not interested in arguing. I was going to post more including the restaurant picture someone posted in Dor Deah Watch but never mind, no point is there- there are some fences that can go down to explain that too. I disagree completely with the mass conversions. I am not going to say they are "invalid" because technically there could be some validity in the simplest terms and definitions. Considering that Issueri Biah speaks about ordinary people performing giyur when they were banned during the time of King David and King Solomon- however the gerim were not turned away but were rather looked upon with suspicion.
I am not sure if your goal is to floor Judaism with these people in the attempt to force the rest of us to "re-convert" them. I just disagree with what you do. I wish the best for those people and hope they are not too hurt with the rejection they face and will face in the coming years.
I am with you on this & how does he explain the picture of him eating in Bob Evans a treif restaurant?
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Is this another Deform "rabbi"?
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Ask Ezra Stein
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Ask Ezra Stein
Who is Ezra Stein?
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Hi was in charge of Kahane.org and part of the JDL in Kfar Tapauch along with Mike....
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Hi was in charge of Kahane.org and part of the JDL in Kfar Tapauch along with Mike....
Mike I know very well Ezra Stein I am unfamiliar with & I have been involved with JDL,Kach Kahane Chai,etc since 1971.
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Hi was in charge of Kahane.org and part of the JDL in Kfar Tapauch along with Mike....
Ok yea, but I know the people who ran Kahane.org they are within a phone call and or email away from me. Just let me know the dates you were in charge of it, so that I can confirm with them.
What other part of the JDL are you talking about in Kfar Tapuach? The Haivri part of the town? I mean, I know people in Kfar Tapuach, if you give me dates, so I can check. Also, if you can name someone who will vouch for you.
Was this you running Kahane.org as an involved member of kahane.org? Or more as a web support like you web support for Rabbi Gutman Locks for example.
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Mike I know very well Ezra Stein I am unfamiliar with & I have been involved with JDL,Kach Kahane Chai,etc since 1971.
Sorry, ChabadKahanist, I bumped your comment out of the last page. I am re-quoting it here.
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Meza's lecture on the Noachide laws is not correct. Some of the Noachide laws are stated outright in the Biblical text in Breishit/Genesis chapter 9 verses 4-7
Other elements of the laws can be proven from other biblical verses.
It is Meza who is replacing Jewish Law with his own philosophy and his accusations against Rambam's Mishna Torah and the Torah sages are totally off base.
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Tag, I am not accepting the lashon hara accusation. I stand by what I said. No one is going to accept these poor people and to bring them into Judaism in this way, where no one will accept them and try to force the community to "re-convert them" is messed up. However, I am also not interested in arguing with you either. I am not sure if you gave Asher here the heads up on this post, last thing I need is for "Dana Cohen" and the others to come in here too. I don't know how Chaim feels about having this person in this forum.
Anyways, thanks to rabbi ASHER's clarifications about lashon hara I shouldn't be that concerned. Heaven forbid I should go by the Chofetz Chaim and commit rabbi worship.
I never said their "conversions" are 100% invalid, I said there could be some validity bedieved and that the true issue is creating people this way and either force them into our communities.
Btw, if you enjoy triangle K products go right ahead. I know of no one in my community who would put anything triangle K in their mouths. When we talk figuratively about people, to say these "conversions" are like Hebrew national it's merely an example that while it may be kosher to some people under some definitions, it is not kosher to another. But, since you didn't read anything but this part, I can understand that you would take it somewhere else.
Issurei Biah Chapter 13: "Halacha 18: For this reason, our Sages said:46 "Converts are as difficult for the Jewish people to bear as a leprous blemish."
I didn't write it.
I didn't say you said Lashon Hara against Asher Meza (and I didn't say that you did not) I was not commenting on the issue of conversions, NOT AT ALL either way. I was just commenting on the comments against Triangle K and the accusation against it. And I didn't say Lashon Hara I said what you said is Motzi shem Ra in a way and I tried to correct it since it is in public as well. If you are aware of any Kosher problems with it, by all means help the Jewish community out, if not then don't disparage something you don't have any information about and its standards.
- I didn't invite Asher Meza here, and it didn't come to mind to invite Dana Cohen or others of whom you disagree with either to come here and debate (or argue) with you either. .
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I didn't say you said Lashon Hara against Asher Meza (and I didn't say that you did not) I was not commenting on the issue of conversions, NOT AT ALL either way. I was just commenting on the comments against Triangle K and the accusation against it. And I didn't say Lashon Hara I said what you said is Motzi shem Ra in a way and I tried to correct it since it is in public as well. If you are aware of any Kosher problems with it, by all means help the Jewish community out, if not then don't disparage something you don't have any information about and its standards.
- I didn't invite Asher Meza here, and it didn't come to mind to invite Dana Cohen or others of whom you disagree with either to come here and debate (or argue) with you either. .
:( I'm sorry.
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:( I'm sorry.
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To Asher- on the issues of conversion I do not know, BUT on the issues of Bnai Noah and teaching against it is a big problem I see in what you said. Also in a way ( hope Im not misquoting) even encouraging other religions as a replacement to non-Jews against being Bnai Noah. Meaning telling people to either be Jewish or to follow another religion but not to be a Bnai Noah (or what is called a Bnai Noah). We should never encourage people to follow other religions (not that Im saying that we cant or didn't tolerate those who already do follow them, but to actually encourage those who in their philosophy want to embrace the Torah (including being Bnei Noah who also embrace the Torah as being Divine) to then tell them to follow another religion is very wrong and troubling.
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Hi was in charge of Kahane.org and part of the JDL in Kfar Tapauch along with Mike....
If that's the case that is all that we need to know about him. Anyone who had anything to do with that snakepit is not someone we should admire or respect.
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To Asher- on the issues of conversion I do not know, BUT on the issues of Bnai Noah and teaching against it is a big problem I see in what you said. Also in a way ( hope Im not misquoting) even encouraging other religions as a replacement to non-Jews against being Bnai Noah. Meaning telling people to either be Jewish or to follow another religion but not to be a Bnai Noah (or what is called a Bnai Noah). We should never encourage people to follow other religions (not that Im saying that we cant or didn't tolerate those who already do follow them, but to actually encourage those who in their philosophy want to embrace the Torah (including being Bnei Noah who also embrace the Torah as being Divine) to then tell them to follow another religion is very wrong and troubling.
Thank..you..Tag!
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Rambam (Maimonides) Issurei Biah 14:8 as translated by
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960662/jewish/Issurei-Biah-Chapter-Fourteen.htm
In the present era, even if a gentile makes a commitment to observe the entire Torah with the exception of one minor point, he is not accepted.
From what I heard on the video by Meza it appears to me that a Gentile coming to convert who holds the viewpoints that Meza holds about the 7 Noachide laws would not be accepted as a convert by Rambam.
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Geoasher who identifies himself as Meza stated
My stance is simliar to that of Yeshaya Liebowitz..
Leibowitz was an extreme leftist who called the Jewish Settlers of Judea and Samaria Jewish-Nazis.
I also disagree pretty strongly with some of his theological positions.
HOW Dare Meza come on a Kahanist forum and "use Leibowitz" as proof for his ideological positions!!
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Yea I forgot about that. I wanted to point out that.leibovitz was a self hater who even went as far as.to avoid celebrating Purim because it involved.Jews fighting against the enemies who wanted.to butcher us. No one will gain any sympathy using leibovitz as an example
:::D.
Edu he or anyone can say what they like but we can also argue and prove them wrong as.well ( or.agree.with.then if.its.true and.good or.not)
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Notice how he won't give any clear answers?
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בס''ד
My stance is simliar to that of Yeshaya Liebowitz..
Yeshayahu Leibowitz yimach shmo vezichro referred to Israeli Jews as "Judeo-Nazis". The real Nazis - the Arab Muslims who admit that their goal is to push the Jews into the sea and finish Hitler's job - Leibowitz zealously supported and defended. But the Jews in the tiny State of Israel are "Judeo-Nazis". In this video, you will notice that Leibowitz even refers to the extreme left-wing former President of the Israeli Supreme Court as a "Judeo-Nazi" for supposedly not being nice enough to Arab terrorist mass murderers.
In fact, if anyone is a Nazi, it is Judenrat kapo scum like Leibowitz and his supporters.
"Asher" Meza openly admits that his stance is similar to that of Leibowitz. Meza is an arrogant, ignorant heretic posing as a "rabbi". He is a Jew-hater who makes up his own version of "Judaism".
Notice that an Israel-hating anti-Semite like Meza is allowed into the Holy Land while I am banned for the past 18 years. What a disgrace.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E
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בס''ד
Yeshayahu Leibowitz yimach shmo vezichro referred to Israeli Jews as "Judeo-Nazis". The real Nazis - the Arab Muslims who admit that their goal is to push the Jews into the sea and finish Hitler's job - Leibowitz zealously supported and defended. But the Jews in the tiny State of Israel are "Judeo-Nazis". In this video, you will notice that Leibowitz even refers to the extreme left-wing former President of the Israeli Supreme Court as a "Judeo-Nazi" for supposedly not being nice enough to Arab terrorist mass murderers.
In fact, if anyone is a Nazi, it is Judenrat kapo scum like Leibowitz and his supporters.
"Asher" Meza openly admits that his stance is similar to that of Leibowitz. Meza is an arrogant, ignorant heretic posing as a "rabbi". He is a Jew-hater who makes up his own version of "Judaism".
Notice that an Israel-hating anti-Semite like Meza is allowed into the Holy Land while I am banned for the past 18 years. What a disgrace.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E
You put it quite well Chaim.
How about making a video exposing this fraud?
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Ok yea, but I know the people who ran Kahane.org they are within a phone call and or email away from me. Just let me know the dates you were in charge of it, so that I can confirm with them.
What other part of the JDL are you talking about in Kfar Tapuach? The Haivri part of the town? I mean, I know people in Kfar Tapuach, if you give me dates, so I can check. Also, if you can name someone who will vouch for you.
Was this you running Kahane.org as an involved member of kahane.org? Or more as a web support like you web support for Rabbi Gutman Locks for example.
He is a liar as there no JDL in Israel.
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This facebook page utterly destroys& exposes Senor Jorge for the fraud he is.
www.facebook.com/DorDeahWatch
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"Rabbi" Meza has been exposed on this forum before an imposter and Israel hating kookoo. I am surprised it has the audacity to come here and pretend here that he is a right wing Jewish rabbi. The fact that Israel let such a pretender nutcase in is sadly unsurprising.
Here is "rabbi" Meza explaining in his own words his version of the Torah. Namely that Jews should live in the exile and try to convert as many gentiles as they can to Judaism.
http://youtu.be/vBUm1fyCXAE
http://youtu.be/RQ0Nj8SPZT8
(here is an old thread concerning Meza:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,62292.0.html)
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"Rabbi" Meza has been exposed on this forum before an imposter and Israel hating kookoo. I am surprised it has the audacity to come here and pretend here that he is a right wing Jewish rabbi. The fact that Israel let such a pretender nutcase in is sadly unsurprising.
Here is "rabbi" Meza explaining in his own words his version of the Torah. Namely that Jews should live in the exile and try to convert as many gentiles as they can to Judaism.
http://youtu.be/vBUm1fyCXAE
http://youtu.be/RQ0Nj8SPZT8
(here is an old thread concerning Meza:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,62292.0.html)
He makes his own rules no real rabbi holds that you missionize Goyim yo convert.
I wonder if he has a real giyur or if he had a Mickey Mouse conversion like Lorring Frank gives.
Frank even fills out the certificate on shabbos & takes the so called convert's picture holding a torah scroll.
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Senor Jorge the ex-gallach has the chutzpah to talk against the Lubavitcher Rebbe,ZT"L,ZY"A,yet the Rebbe had more daas torah in his pinky than Jorge has in his whole brain.
He has no idea what a big aveira it is to be mivazeh a talmid chochom & tazdik of the stature of the rebbe.
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There is no such thing as "lashon hara against Trasher Mecca". His teachings he claims come from a heretic "kabbalist", he murders Jews in Israel with his words, his smicha is fraudulent, and were it not, then it would be invalid for his false conversions and the lies he spreads about Israel. If you don't speak against him in any conversation he arises, unless all parties are guaranteed to be aware of this enemy of Judaism, you're punished for the evil he does. YS"V to Trasher Mecca. Btw, he claims he is justified in spilling Jewish blood in Israel because Satmar does, and if so, then he should get off the internet, but I have no doubt that he is really just a liar, and an enemy to the Jewish people trying to get in more fake converts to destroy us from within.
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Whoa Whoa. I read back and he says he was in charge of Kahane.org? Since when are traitors Kahanists? Does Mr. Trasher Mecca agree with Rav. Kahane's positions on the state of Israel, or not?
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Where was Meza born?
Where is currently based?
What is his parents' ethnicity on either side?
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Where was Meza born?
Where is currently based?
What is his parents' ethnicity on either side?
Indonesia I believe
5143 sw 140th Terrace
Miramar, Fl 33027, but not entirely relevant because his online courses allow him to lie to people around the world.
Idk about Paster Trasher Mecca's parents.